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Presented with evidence of one of their own sexually harassing a woman, GamerGaters deny and deflect and offer excuses

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GamerGaters like to loudly profess that they oppose harassment. They also like to claim that most if not all of the harassment that has occurred comes from people that aren’t “real” GamerGaters.

So what do GamerGaters do when they’re confronted with evidence that someone in their ranks — not an anonymous nobody but someone with some standing in their community —  is harassing someone?

Well yesterday we had an opportunity to see just that. I wrote about a couple of instances of sexual harassment from a GamerGater known as Cameralady.

While not as famous as GamerGate celebs like Milo Yiannopoulos or InternetAristocrat or, you know, Adam Baldwin, Cameralady is, at least in Gamergate circles, a bit of a player. She was an early and especially eager opponent of Zoe Quinn, and devoted a great deal of time and energy to digging up dirt on Quinn and others. Many of her “findings” made it into GamerGate propaganda on the web and in assorted YouTube videos.

And her sexual harassment was about as blatant as it gets. In the midst of an argument on Twitter, she tweeted a crude sexual come-on to a woman who opposes GamerGate, and was immediately told to get lost. A week later, in the midst of another Twitter argument, she Tweeted another crude come-on to the same woman. The evidence was as plain as day, and I included it all in my post.

So what happened after I posted a link to my post in the #GamerGate hashtag on Twitter? Did other GamerGaters call her out on her behavior?

Well, no. Instead I was besieged by dozens — hundreds? — of tweets from GamerGaters who assured me that the harassment wasn’t harassment at all.

The tone of the discussion was set early on by Cameralady herself, who insisted that her harassment was simple “flirtation” and that anyone who thought otherwise was some sort of anti-sex puritan prude.

https://twitter.com/The_Camera_Girl/status/524967395715477504

https://twitter.com/The_Camera_Girl/status/524968506480410624

https://twitter.com/The_Camera_Girl/status/524969608043044864

I’m not exactly sure how that would absolve her for her bad behavior. If you shoot someone and you miss, you’ve still committed a crime. If you crudely proposition someone who earlier told you to get lost and they for some reason don’t hear you, well, same thing. Also, the woman she harassed did in fact see her tweet.

She also tried to explain that what she was doing really was flirting, and that I didn’t understand because I’m not a lesbian.

Later, she tried another excuse.

https://twitter.com/The_Camera_Girl/status/525087005823483904

Apparently she sends crude sexual comments to so many women she can’t keep track!

Other GamerGaters did their best to minimize, deny and deflect.

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Even those who accepted that what had happened was harassment did their best to change the subject.

But if you really want a sense of the sheer horror of dealing with GamerGaters on Twitter, well, you’re just going to have to jump headlong into the middle of it.

Here you can see all of the responses to my Tweet linking to my post. Here you will encounter every type of deflection known to humankind, as you scroll downward through an argument that never seems to end.

Witness the terror of endless arguments with people who ask for proof that is already in the article they are ostensibly discussing! Hear the demands for screenshots that have already been given to them!

I never know if they’re really this obtuse, or if they’re just screwing with me.

It reminds me a lot of this classic Monty Python sketch. The only difference is that the Monty Python sketch is over in six minutes, while Twitter never ends.

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Stuffed Fantod
6 years ago

When are they going to dox Chris Kluwe? I mean, isn’t this about journalistic integrity and insults to True Gamers?

davidgerard
6 years ago

> I never know if they’re really this obtuse, or if they’re just screwing with me.

At this stage, the only PR strategy left to Gamergate advocates is flat-out sanity-defying denial.

Stuffed Fantod
6 years ago

And John Scalzi? And Matt Binder? After all, this ISN’T about harassing women, right?

thetruepooka
6 years ago

“Yeah, if I’m blocked she didn’t even see the second tweet so its inconsequential.”

That logic could be applied to raping someone when they’re drugged or sleeping.

davidgerard
6 years ago

Chris Kluwe is basically going “COME ON ASSHOLES”, so of course they doxxed Felicia Day instead.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

That is exactly the question Chris Kluwe is asking.

Johanna Roberts
6 years ago

What really pisses me off is that Day was doxxed after posting a very impassioned post wherein she described how much the idea terrified her. And of course people were like “what harm comes from posting her address, lol”

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

These people are the worst. I dunno about anyone else, but I’m having a serious case of Gamer Gate fatigue.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

The more I read cameralady’s tweets the more I doubt that she is a woman behind the screen. Her language smacks loudly of frat boy.

jbgarner58
6 years ago

Because these people have such low opinions of women, they will gladly try to abuse them. The GGers don’t see them as threats. That’s also why they don’t doxx Mr. Kluwe or really anyone else who is obviously male who speaks out against them. Classic bully behavior shaped by their own warped perspectives and beliefs.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

“Each side has a fringe and that should not detract the arguement at hand. The journalist abused their position.”

Who the fuck are these people? Do they even read the fucking source material?!

Aelfric
Aelfric
6 years ago

@sunnysombrera–I could not agree more; I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt online, especially when it comes to believing women, but an actual lesbian being behind that account strains credulity almost to the breaking point.

magnesium
6 years ago

Aside from the obvious fact that they chose to doxx Felicia Day rather than Chris because she is a woman and GamerGate hates all women who don’t know their place, I think there’s another reason. Chris’ rant was blunt and angry. It probably pissed them off, but they are already running on ridiculous amounts of rage and persecution complex that it was just another drop in the bucket.

Felicia’s thoughtful, impassioned plea made them, if only for a brief moment, really take a look at how absolutely awful they are behaving. The little bit of guilt, coupled with a few microseconds of what the horror of introspection must be like for someone who chooses to be in GamerGate made them even angrier.

(I imagine introspection for them is a lot like that montage with the maggots in Battleship Potemkin.)

Kevin K
Kevin K
6 years ago

I thought a better Monty Python sketch would be the “dead parrot” bit.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

It is the standard MRA rage against women who admit to being afraid of them.
“How dare you be afraid of me just because I talk about how much I want to kill you. I shall now punish you.”

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

The camera lady seems really upset that journalists are not giving the anon perps equal time with the victims. Can that be right, or did I misread them?
Twitterers creep me right the eff out.

J. Schmidt
J. Schmidt
6 years ago

Each side has fringe and should not detract from the argument at hand. The journalist abused their positions

Heh. I love the shoehorning here: “BOTH SIDES! JOURNALISTS ARE MEAN!”

Does she ever explain why she’s flirting with women in the middle of heated ideological arguments? It’s obvious to anyone that a) it isn’t simple flirting in the first place, and b) her claims of flirtation are heavily undermined by opposing each and every individual listed.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

I think if one were to invent a poster for a “women do it too” campaign the Camera Lady who calls herself a girl would be my choice.

ginnyn56
ginnyn56
6 years ago

@magnesium

I’m thinking they decide to dox women and the “weak” (With ” because been chronically depressed and still do stuff get a big A in bravery in my book at least).

Phil Fish has a well documented in the gaming media problem with depression and anxiety, and when the “Quinnpiracy” exploded he was one of the first ones to defend her, and immediately got doxxed. And bank account credentials stolen. Then Phil Fish decided to bail out of gaming entirely for his own Mental Health sake.

Which at the end is typical bulling behaviour.

booburry
6 years ago

*pops head in*
I never have any luck when I try to post a youtube vid but I wanted to direct ya’ll to Jonathan Mann’s new “song a day” video entitled “If it’s not about Zoe Quinn stop talking about her”. Its awesome and sums up many problems with the #Gamergoobers in a lovely little song.

Myoo
Myoo
6 years ago

@booburry
You’re right, it is a good song, thanks for sharing. Here’s the video for those who don’t feel like looking for it:

http://youtu.be/bnbNY1oFZ3o

damselindetech
6 years ago

As a lesbian married to a lesbian, lemme add my biased $0.02:

If/when lesbians “flirt” like cameralady, that’s when we lesbos hightail it outta there to get the fuck away from that creeper with boundary issues.

vaiyt
6 years ago

That’s also why they don’t doxx Mr. Kluwe or really anyone else who is obviously male who speaks out against them.

Except for Phil Fish, who has already shown to be vulnerable.

vaiyt
6 years ago

“Each side has a fringe and that should not detract the arguement at hand. The journalist abused their position.”

That should be a fun exercise:
– Keep pointing everyone who has done reprehensible shit and watch the #GG defender declare everyone important as a “fringe”.
– Ask for clarification of their own position until they out themselves as the gobshites they are.

Lids
6 years ago

Ah, yes I had forgotten that women can’t sexually harass other women. Nevermind that I have been – by straight women too. Considering that anyone can sexually harass ANYONE, regardless of gender or sex or sexual preference, I’m pretty sure that can be called sexual harassment.

And please, no one “flirts” mid-twitter argument. That’s such bullshit lol, she was trying to make the other woman uncomfortable so she would back down. Men use that tactic on women all the time in my experience.

Also by saying women can’t sexually harass othet women they are essentially undermining their own arguments about women being the bad guys. Women are the sexual harassers, but the moment that woman is on your side it’s not possible for her to sexually harass someone? Funny how that works. You would think every argument they’ve ever made is complete bullshit and they don’t actually care unless they can use it in the moment. Hmmmm…

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
6 years ago

Each side has fringe and should not detract from the argument at hand.

OH, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

…Is there any end to this False Equivalence bullshit…?

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
6 years ago

The journalist abused their position.

The journalist? What journalist? Their position? What position? How? Do these people even know what fake facts they are even using as their fig leaves?

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
6 years ago

The journalist? What journalist? Their position? What position? How? Do these people even know what fake facts they are even using as their fig leaves?

Any journalist they happen to dislike, of course. “Abuse” is just code for “saying anything that we don’t like, up to and including giving games we like bad reviews and ones we don’t like good ones.”

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

@vaiyt

I came this close to getting a #Git to denounce himself as fringe yesterday – he was foaming on about No True #GamerGater so I linked to his own posts on the same site – “[Rape] is always the men’s fault, even if both parties are sober and consenting” and “If by “Female on male assault” you mean non-consensual sex, then the reason for that 0.2% figure is because the numbers have been modified by feminists” (actual quotes) – but he turned tail and ran. Bah. =P

@damselindetech

HEAR FUCKING HEAR.

booburry
6 years ago

I keep seeing people say that anti-GGs are harassing the other side but I never see any proof. Not to mention that even if they had screenshots I would be so skeptical of them since they have been urging people to sockpuppet from the very beginning.

booburry
6 years ago

Oh, and thank you Myoo, for posting that video. Youtube hates me and always posts playlists for me these days.

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

I saw another idiot, I forget where, attempting to prove (it’s not about) Zoe Quinn doxed people. Let’s see, we should take your word for it that Zoe doxed people or we should look at multiple pieces of evidence showing you doxed people. Only way to think people are this stupid is not to be in the same room as them.

Or, you know, projection.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

@booburry

I’m going to be singing that all day. Awesome.

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

RE journamalism, youd think one of these clowns would at least try and go to j-school. But these people are so pathetically superfluous that they cant even muster a blog post. The only thing they know how to do is bully and harass, they can’t even review any content much less create it.

Assholes.

lkeke35
6 years ago

Please! at this stage the goalposts are switching so damn fast that you could get whiplash from trying to keep up. Maybe if they keep it up, some sort of singularity will be reached and they will all be sucked into some kind of digital vortex via their
computer screens.

studiokagato
studiokagato
6 years ago

The GGers don’t see them as threats. That’s also why they don’t doxx Mr. Kluwe or really anyone else who is obviously male who speaks out against them.

Exactly. Chris Kluwe hasn’t been doxxed, not because he isn’t outspoken against gamergate, but because he isn’t perceived as someone they can effectively victimize. He just isn’t the right kind of target. This all started on 4chan, and that seems to be what they’re all about: who is a target.

There’s a tiny grain of truth in some of the GG objections, in that some gaters (heck, maybe even most of them) genuinely don’t participate in or even support the anti-women attacks. But there are two problems with that:

One: it’s apparent that the lower limit for “policing their own” is outright threats of violence and blatant doxxing. At best. Sustained systemic harrassment of women gets a pass (as made clear in this post), because it’s more important for gaters to stick together than to collectively act like decent people.

Two, and more importantly: it doesn’t even matter how nice the gaters are. Channers started the attack campaign before the hashtag. Channers claimed the hashtag, and used it as part of their attack campaign.

It doesn’t matter who uses the hashtag now; it represents their campaign and always will, no matter what is being said under its banner. And channers are obviously watching it like a hawk, watching for the signal to spring into action.

#gamergate is the painting laser for the *chan cruise missile. It marks the target and they rush in for the kill.

Gaters don’t even have to pull the trigger themselves; if a target is marked, the missile will fire all on its own. And no matter their protestations, they are complicit in the damage that results.

Tracy
Tracy
6 years ago

@booburry @myoo Thank you – Jonathan Mann makes me happy and reminds me there are more good people in the world than bad. So do all of you guys. *sniff*

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

Fucking elevatorgate is back in the twitterstream. Assholes.

When I was in HS games were a safe space away from these people. Now they have come in the living room and put their feet up on the coffee table. Half of me never wants to play games again, but for now the other half (which says that these people are never kicking me out of anywhere ever again) is winning.

mildlymagnificent
6 years ago

The more I read cameralady’s tweets the more I doubt that she is a woman behind the screen. Her language smacks loudly of frat boy.

I’m not so sure. Women are quite capable of being just as nasty as men are — though they often choose different approaches. So the surprise is really about using the exact same approach rather than the nastiness itself.

There’s also the “more catholic than the pope” phenomenon to bear in mind. Generally I’d call it showing off, that you can be more awful than the awful people in the group you’ve decided to join, to show that you’re really just like them. (Leaving aside the question of why on earth anyone would want to be associated with that group in the first place.)

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

Fuck this shit. First amendment cannot possibly cover incitement to violence, and twitter is being used to disseminate this. I was never a 1st amendment absolutist but now it’s time for the authorities to get involved wholesale. Good job assholes, youve ruined it for everybody.

Hyatt
Hyatt
6 years ago

Having and respecting boundaries? Soooo sex-negative.

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

Look, it is impossible to believe these people are as stupid or leaderless as they pretend. They’ve taken the technology of Anonymous and turned it to serve reactionary politics, the same way the Tea Party abused Alinsky’s techniques while using his name to smear the opposition. These clowns pose a threat to the future of the internet as a political tool. If we want to have any use out of it, we need a solution to this nonsense fast.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

I really have to emphasize that cameralady’s “real” gender is a complete red herring, just like her claim to autism. This behavior is not acceptable if it comes from a man, and it is not acceptable if it comes from someone who is not a man. If a woman popped up in videos on youtube and said, “I am cameralady, and here’s proof that I am autistic,” that would not in any way cancel out her behavior.

Speculating on how she can’t possible be a woman because of reasons or how she’s probably faking autism obfuscates the real problem, which is her behavior. She could be a woman, and a lesbian, and autistic, and everything she says she is, and still be an asshole, and focusing on whether or not she is really a woman misdirects and deflects the criticism.

vaiyt
6 years ago

RE journamalism, youd think one of these clowns would at least try and go to j-school.

I did. Their claims to fight for journalistic integrity were and are completely phony.

Fuck this shit. First amendment cannot possibly cover incitement to violence, and twitter is being used to disseminate this.

Twitter is complicit in abuse. Abuse drives up Twitter usage and accounts, which is all they care for. If they cared about abuse, they’d have implemented an invisible block feature, but then abusers would eventually find themselves cut off from their victims and give up. They know victims are much more likely to stay on Twitter out of necessity.

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

Twitter is complicit in abuse.

Fucking developers of HTTP knew that the potential of malicious use was vast and built many many safeguards. Fecesbook and all its followers are the IT equivalent of Enron.

Tracy
Tracy
6 years ago

Fucking elevatorgate is back in the twitterstream.

Argh! Of COURSE it is, it’s no doubt what got many of them all upset in the first place.

Seconding the people here re: Camera Lady is simply a nasty piece of work, regardless of anything else.

donovandigital
donovandigital
6 years ago

I really have to emphasize that cameralady’s “real” gender is a complete red herring

See also, Christian Weston Chandler. Which does, in fact, make this person’s gender semi-relevant because nobody would put up with her bullshit half as long if she were a man. Which, to be clear, is a good thing.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

@Policy of Madness

Agreed for the most part, but so many assholes have lied (by their own admission) about being on the spectrum as an excuse for their assholery that a lot of people have started conflating the two, resulting in “Autistic” being a common go-to insult… So, while it is irrelevant in regards to her behaviour, the possibility of furthering the untrue stereotype and the use of “Autistic” as an insult still makes me uncomfortable.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

nobody would put up with her bullshit half as long if she were a man.

That is utter nonsense.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

the possibility of furthering the untrue stereotype and the use of “Autistic” as an insult still makes me uncomfortable.

I don’t understand. Who is using “autistic” as an insult? How is the untrue stereotype (which is both untrue and a stereotype, I totally agree) being furthered?

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