[UPDATE: The real White Ribbon Campaign has responded; I’ve added excerpts at the bottom.]
Apparently, A Voice for Men is just itching to be sued.
Paul Elam and the gang over at everyone’s favorite Men’s Rights hate site have just launched a new website — WhiteRibbon.org — that seems pretty clearly designed to undermine and co-opt the real White Ribbon campaign, a long-running international initiative to fight violence against women.
The REAL White Ribbon campaign has a number of websites, reflecting its international reach — in Canada, where the initiative originated, as well as in the UK, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand. and other places. But apparently the organization didn’t buy up all the related domain names.
And so the little schemers at A Voice for Men have grabbed the WhiteRibbon.org URL for themselves and set up a site of their own that seems intended to, as the lawyers say, cause confusion in the marketplace and take advantage of the White Ribbon campaign’s good name for its own purpose. As least that’s how it looks to my non-lawyer eyes — and to the eyes of one lawyer I contacted.
The site has evidently just gone live, heralded by a post from Elam on AVFM declaring
Gents and ladies, I present to you without further ado whiteribbon.org and whiteribboncampaign.org. It is a website I am very proud of, and proud to say that AVfM will be investing whatever resources it takes to make whiteribboncampaign.org the most highly recognized and iconic voice in the worldwide White Ribbon Campaign.
With our resources, and our reach on Google, it is only a matter of a short period of time before we can make good on that promise.
AVFM has also set up a phony Facebook page as well. Here’s the real White Ribbon Facebook page.
A Voice for Men may pretend that their sites are an attempt to fight domestic violence “against everyone.” But evidence of AVFM’s bad faith is everywhere, and overwhelming.
On its faux White Ribbon site, for example, AVFM declares that it is the REAL White Ribbon campaign and that the real campaign … is a fake.
In a post with the title Caution: Please beware of false White Ribbon initiatives, Claire Bissett – identified as the “administrative manager of whiteribbon.org” – writes:
There is only one whiteribbon.org
First, allow me to welcome all of you to whiteribbon.org. White Ribbon is a worldwide initiative to bring awareness of the problem of intimate partner and other forms of family violence to the population at large. …
It is … my sad duty to caution you that there are numerous attempts by other entities to corrupt the message of the White Ribbon Initiative by inserting dishonest and sexist messages into this movement. …
[W]e urge you in the strongest possible terms to consider what you are actually seeing when you encounter groups going by the name “White Ribbon” whose message is gendered, as in “Stop Domestic Violence Against Women.” …
These people are much more interested in raising money than in raising awareness. …
There is only one White Ribbon Initiative that seeks evidence based, scientific and realistic ways to help reduce the problem of violence in the home. You are at the source of that initiative right now. Please help us out by donating and by passing this website on at social media sites and your own blogs.
Yep, they’re asking for money. The donation button is at the top of the page, with the perhaps deliberately ambiguous message:
WhiteRibborn.org is owned and operated by A Voice for Men. All donations for our White Ribbon effort will be used to maintain and enhance this website.
It’s not clear to me whether “this website” refers to WhiteRibbon.org or A Voice for Men. In any case, if you click on the PayPal button, it takes you to an A Voice for Men donation page, and it’s up to you to specify the purpose of your donation. There are no assurances on the page that donations intended to support WhiteRibbon.org will be kept in a separate account or even spent on that website.
Elam’s own post announcing the WhiteRibbon.org page is so extravagantly disingenuous, so suffused with self-satisfied gloating, that you can practically hear him snickering sadistically like some cartoon villain as you read it.
The people behind the White Ribbon have undoubtedly put in a huge amount of sweat equity and actual funds in branding the White Ribbon Campaign (WRC). …
Obviously, the people getting the job done on behalf of WRC really outdid themselves on planning and marketing.
Well, there was one goof. They neglected to pick up the obvious choices for domains for their program, especially given they are aiming for growth. …
As I mulled over the considerable resources we now have at A Voice for Men, and our ongoing interest in the area of domestic violence, I surmised that this was a very opportune moment to invest vigorously in the WRC project. This was confirmed when I found out that whiteribboncampaign.org, whiteribbon.org, and most of the .coms and .nets associated with that name were similarly unspoken for.
What a fantastic time, I told myself, for the AVfM organization to figuratively join hands with White Ribbon Campaign organizations worldwide and to help them spread the unyielding truth about the problem of domestic violence in this culture.
So that is exactly what we did.
Wow.
As I said before, I’m no lawyer, but someone who is a lawyer tells me that what AVFM is doing is such a clear violation of trademark law that the real White Ribbon campaign could not only sue but win its case. The evidence of AVFM’s bad faith is so clear and overwhelming, the lawyer notes, that the judge hearing such a case would likely “choke.”
Not only that, but AVFM seems to be acknowledging upfront that their new “initiative” is an attempt to divert money from the real White Ribbon campaign and into AVFM’s coffers. The reader comment chosen as the “featured comment” for Elam’s article is from a longtime AVFMer saying that he will be taking the money he would have donated to the White Ribbon campaign and sending it to Elam’s initiative:
Other commenters praised Elam’s “genius” and did little victory dances, their comments indicating that they understand full well that Elam’s claims to be “figuratively join[ing] hands with White Ribbon Campaign” are transparent bullshit. Here an an assortment of comments taken from the 100+ now up on the site.
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Some commenters took it a bit further. Shrek6, so gleeful in the comment above, earned some upvotes with a violent rant against the original “white feather” and the White Ribbon campaign that he sees as its modern equivalent:
If I had the power and I could, I would arrest every single white feather wielding coward, strip them of all their female clothing, put them in army greens and send them directly to the front line to have their heads blown apart by high powered bullets or shrapnel. Or they can watch as their female friends get their bodies blown into many parts by a bomb of some sort.
That is the only way to treat the lowest form of scum on this planet. You have to make them actually experience the hell they are shaming men into.They are nothing but murderers and the most vial and foul thing to walk on 2 legs.
Knowing this white ribbon campaign is nothing but an extension of the white feather campaign, we must show them our indignation, our hatred and our anger. We must do all we can to beat them down, even if we have to get into their filthy nest to do so. And having this website is hopefully going to achieve that end.
(Emphasis mine. See a screenshot of his full quote here.)
A fellow by the name of Mike Gibbs added:
Traitorous white-knights and mangina’s are exponentially worse that feminist and as such, both should be eliminated.
(See a screenshot of his full quote here.)
One commenter responded, for some unknown reason, with a graphic photoshopped picture of … Anita Sarkeesian with bruises all over her face, as if she had been severely beaten. Screenshot here.
If you plan on “fucking up the shit” of a large international organization by infringing on its trademark, it seems to me, it’s probably a bad idea not to announce this publicly – and gloat about it.
And if you’re trying to pretend that you care about ending violence, you should probably not be posting comments calling for violence against your enemies.
UPDATE: The real White Ribbon campaign has responded to AVFM’s campaign. Here are some excerpts of their response, which you can see in full on their web site.
Today, White Ribbon (www.whiteribbon.ca ) became aware that a “so-called” men’s rights group has launched a copycat campaign articulating their archaic views and denials about the realities of gender-based violence.
Their vile sentiments – which include disparaging comments about women’s shelters and victim blaming survivors of rape – are completely incongruent with our values at White Ribbon.
Their misguided attempts to discredit others only make clear the extent to which they see the success of our equality-driven, evidence-based, ally-focussed work on gender justice as a real threat to their ill-informed, isolated views on this issue. This latest example is clear evidence of their insincerity and lack of commitment to developing compassionate solutions for the issues they claim to care about. It also showcases their real focus: attacking, harassing and directing anger towards others. …
Allies and supporters: do not to be fooled by this copycat campaign. We are exploring all of our options, but we will not be engaging with this group in a public screaming match. They can remain a shrill minority. We will continue to engage with the vast majority of men who believe in gender justice, and want to be part of the solution.
@marianagela ~ AVfM is listed under “Misogyny: The Sites” in the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Spring 2012 Intelligence Report, as are several other MRA sites, and Paul Elam and other MRM types and groups show up repeatedly in reports. The manosphere may be too loosey-goosey to list as a specific hate group, but plenty of manosphere players are on the SPLC radar screen and watch list.
I would like to see them address this particular shenanigan, and perhaps they will yet.
Shut up, Woody.
It’s the exact same site with a different logo! They didn’t even spend a couple minutes changing fonts or anything to make it feel like it was something separate. They literally just moved their Erin Pizzey content over there and posted a victory announcement. Unbelievable.
WHAT THE FUCK.
How can Elam be so dense to think that he would get away with this? This could very well end up costing him more money than he would ever bring in with the scam–hell, he might even get a criminal record thanks to this little “stunt.”
I hope the judge for this case (if there ever is one) throws the book at him. And may the book be a VERY heavy tome dug up for this occasion.
That’s no small issue. There’s no might about it; it will delude people. I’ve seen stuff from Stormfront in the cited references of college papers, not papers on white supremacist hate groups. I’m talking about people too lazy to properly vet their sources and who believe that anything they drag up on the internetz is reliable. The brain on google is not necessarily a very discerning one, and needs as much — or more — training in the complex reasoning behind viable research as ever it did in the pre-information-at-your-fingertips days. Unfortunately, not a lot of people get that training.
@Mary
I’m grateful for any SPLC involvement as I believe this is the best way to address AVFM. Very true that AVFM was listed as a misogyny site and was on an SPLC watch list. I have just read Morris Dees’ remarkable autobiography (you receive a copy for free when you join the SPLC), and I’m in awe at his relentless fight against the KKK. I think he (and the SPLC) has won that fight. I think it is important for them to monitor the Right and resurgent forces of racism.
But not expanding Hate Site List coverage to include misogynistic organizations like AVFM is starting to look to me like one of those policy decisions applied over and over in anti-hate laws and asylum laws when it comes to women: the problem is too huge, we’ll be overwhelmed, we have to exclude anti-women hate sites.
And AVFM has been saying for 2 years now that it is NOT formally listed as a hate site, as though the SPLC investigated them and determined it was not. Until they do get listed that way, they are co-opting the SPLC’s declining to list them that way for positive propaganda purposes, which was not the SPLC’s intent in any way.
@marianagela
The SPLC could certainly use a Gender Hate category included in their Extremist Files, to be sure. That would be the obvious place for AVfM.
Oh what the hell?!
Excuse me for going offtrack for a second, but am I correct that Janet Bloomfield’s 3d Twitter account has just been suspended? If so, that is record time and does seem to indicate she is permanently banned there.
The thing is, if they really believed the crap they spout about the government being run by a cabal of feminist sympathizers who’re out to get men like them they wouldn’t pull a stunt like this, because they’d be too scared to. They’re counting on their privilege, and the fact that nothing bad has resulted from their misbehavior so far, to protect them.
As Kevin said, this is a great opportunity to donate to the actual White Ribbon campaign: https://www.canadahelps.org/en/charities/the-white-ribbon-campaign/
And if you want to donate in someone’s honor (Paul Elam, for instance) they’ll even send out an e-card for you.
More lawyers behaving nastily, lolbertarian edition: http://www.popehat.com/2014/10/21/gamer-gate-three-stages-to-obit/
Specifically this bit raises my hackles: http://www.popehat.com/2014/10/21/gamer-gate-three-stages-to-obit/#comment-1277730
So, now Elam is a domain squatter, in addition to everything else. He’s cruising for a legal take-down and keeps pushing the limits. Why are MRAs so stupid?
Because so far rampant stupidity has been consequence free for them. I think that might be about to change.
Love you Futrelle, keep up the good work exposing those haters.
A law suit is compelling. But Elam would couch it as a purely feminist attack and cause a media frenzy that he only stands to gain from.
Elam can couch it anyway he likes, he’s not savvy enough to spin publicity in his favor. Especially if JB is on the job.
Shut up, Woody.
The arrogance of MRAs never fails to astound me. Does Elam think he’s fooling anyone here?
Oh relax, kill all men has more traction than Men’s rights
Media frenzy? Over these guys? Please.
Now Elam’s phony site is claiming to be the real one, using the old “We are for true equality, not like that site that only cares about women” canard. Says the organization that exists to serve only one man.
I approved Samuel Heist’s comment, because it amuses me to watch people who think they’re being clever utterly fail to fool anybody (hover over or click on his username).
I hovered over his username. Funny as shit.
They need to file a UDRP suit with ICANN and have the domains seized. Much cheaper and easier than a lawsuit (it costs $1000 to file, which will be reimbursed under some circumstances).
The Misogynist Rape Apologists have already admitted publically that they registered the domains in an abusive manner, so its a slam-dunk.
This is infuriating. And so obviously a calculated dig.
They could have set up an ACTUAL CHARITY for male victims of DV. They didn’t. And donations will go to maintaining and enhancing the website???
I design and build custom WordPress sites; their site is WordPress. They’re using the Magazine Pro theme, same as on the main AVFM site, with not much customization – that would set them back $100 for unlimited use, one-time fee. Maintenance – if they’re paying someone to do backups and other maintenance then there could be a monthly fee there but I’d guess this sort of work is donated. Hosting – depends on their level of hosting. A VPS can be costly per month, shared hosting not so much. Their hosting is based in the UK, and the highest-price VPS is about $65/month; highest-priced shared hosting is about $16. Hosting could possibly be donated too – I’ve donated my personal server space to non-profit clients in the past.
So, if they have highest-level VPS hosting, they’re paying about $780/year (presuming server space is not being donated) and that’s for all their websites, as they’d all be on the one server. The theme for the white ribbon site was already paid for (they can re-use it on unlimited sites).
Its possible they paid someone to set the site up for them and/or pay someone to update content, plugins, do backups, etc. I doubt it, since that seems like work someone would do as a volunteer (I sponsor a non-profit association and do that sort of work for them for free on a monthly basis).
There’s nothing wrong with asking people to donate to help with server costs, etc… but WHY NOT ASK FOR DONATIONS TO ACTUALLY HELP MALE VICTIMS OF DV OMG I CAN’T STOP SCREAMING. They would rather pull a snarky, arrogant bullshit stunt just to show up a legitimate charity that ACTUALLY HELPS MEN AND BOYS. Of course, it helps men and boys examine societal expectations of masculinity and other, let’s face it, beta mangina white knighty stuff, the HORROR.
DO SOMETHING TO DIRECTLY HELP MEN AND BOYS, for chrissakes. Fuck, I’m mad.