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A Voice for Men has set up a phony White Ribbon website to coopt the international anti-violence campaign of that name [UPDATE: Real WRC responds to AVFM]

Beware of cheap imitations
Beware of cheap imitations

[UPDATE: The real White Ribbon Campaign has responded; I’ve added excerpts at the bottom.]

Apparently, A Voice for Men is just itching to be sued.

Paul Elam and the gang over at everyone’s favorite Men’s Rights hate site have just launched a new website — WhiteRibbon.org — that seems pretty clearly designed to undermine and co-opt the real White Ribbon campaign, a long-running international initiative to fight violence against women.

The REAL White Ribbon campaign has a number of websites, reflecting its international reach — in Canada, where the initiative originated, as well as in the UK, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand. and other places. But apparently the organization didn’t buy up all the related domain names.

And so the little schemers at A Voice for Men have grabbed the WhiteRibbon.org URL for themselves and set up a site of their own that seems intended to, as the lawyers say, cause confusion in the marketplace and take advantage of the White Ribbon campaign’s good name for its own purpose. As least that’s how it looks to my non-lawyer eyes — and to the eyes of one lawyer I contacted.

The site has evidently just gone live, heralded by a post from Elam on AVFM declaring

Gents and ladies, I present to you without further ado whiteribbon.org and whiteribboncampaign.org. It is a website I am very proud of, and proud to say that AVfM will be investing whatever resources it takes to make whiteribboncampaign.org the most highly recognized and iconic voice in the worldwide White Ribbon Campaign.

With our resources, and our reach on Google, it is only a matter of a short period of time before we can make good on that promise.

AVFM has also set up a phony Facebook page as well. Here’s the real White Ribbon Facebook page.

A Voice for Men may pretend that their sites are an attempt to fight domestic violence “against everyone.” But evidence of AVFM’s bad faith is everywhere, and overwhelming.

On its faux White Ribbon site, for example, AVFM declares that it is the REAL White Ribbon campaign and that the real campaign … is a fake.

In a post with the title Caution: Please beware of false White Ribbon initiatives, Claire Bissett – identified as the “administrative manager of whiteribbon.org” – writes:

There is only one whiteribbon.org

First, allow me to welcome all of you to whiteribbon.org. White Ribbon is a worldwide initiative to bring awareness of the problem of intimate partner and other forms of family violence to the population at large. …

It is … my sad duty to caution you that there are numerous attempts by other entities to corrupt the message of the White Ribbon Initiative by inserting dishonest and sexist messages into this movement. …

[W]e urge you in the strongest possible terms to consider what you are actually seeing when you encounter groups going by the name “White Ribbon” whose message is gendered, as in “Stop Domestic Violence Against Women.” …

These people are much more interested in raising money than in raising awareness. …

There is only one White Ribbon Initiative that seeks evidence based, scientific and realistic ways to help reduce the problem of violence in the home. You are at the source of that initiative right now. Please help us out by donating and by passing this website on at social media sites and your own blogs.

Yep, they’re asking for money. The donation button is at the top of the page, with the perhaps deliberately ambiguous message:

WhiteRibborn.org is owned and operated by A Voice for Men. All donations for our White Ribbon effort will be used to maintain and enhance this website.

It’s not clear to me whether “this website” refers to WhiteRibbon.org or A Voice for Men. In any case, if you click on the PayPal button, it takes you to an A Voice for Men donation page, and it’s up to you to specify the purpose of your donation. There are no assurances on the page that donations intended to support WhiteRibbon.org will be kept in a separate account or even spent on that website.

Elam’s own post announcing the WhiteRibbon.org page is so extravagantly disingenuous, so suffused with self-satisfied gloating, that you can practically hear him snickering sadistically like some cartoon villain as you read it.

The people behind the White Ribbon have undoubtedly put in a huge amount of sweat equity and actual funds in branding the White Ribbon Campaign (WRC). …

Obviously, the people getting the job done on behalf of WRC really outdid themselves on planning and marketing.

Well, there was one goof. They neglected to pick up the obvious choices for domains for their program, especially given they are aiming for growth. …

As I mulled over the considerable resources we now have at A Voice for Men, and our ongoing interest in the area of domestic violence, I surmised that this was a very opportune moment to invest vigorously in the WRC project. This was confirmed when I found out that whiteribboncampaign.org, whiteribbon.org, and most of the .coms and .nets associated with that name were similarly unspoken for.

What a fantastic time, I told myself, for the AVfM organization to figuratively join hands with White Ribbon Campaign organizations worldwide and to help them spread the unyielding truth about the problem of domestic violence in this culture.

So that is exactly what we did.

Wow.

As I said before, I’m no lawyer, but someone who is a lawyer tells me that what AVFM is doing is such a clear violation of trademark law that the real White Ribbon campaign could not only sue but win its case. The evidence of AVFM’s bad faith is so clear and overwhelming, the lawyer notes, that the judge hearing such a case would likely “choke.”

Not only that, but AVFM seems to be acknowledging upfront that their new “initiative” is an attempt to divert money from the real White Ribbon campaign and into AVFM’s coffers. The reader comment chosen as the “featured comment” for Elam’s article is from a longtime AVFMer saying that he will be taking the money he would have donated to the White Ribbon campaign and sending it to Elam’s initiative:

 Peter Wright Mod • a day ago  I am personally very pleased that the White Ribbon Campaign now has A Voice For Men as its vanguard. This is fortuitous for everyone wishing to stop violence against all people (instead of just women) and who wish to donate their hard-earned dollars to such a widespread anti-violence campaign.  All money I was going to pledge to the White Ribbon Campaign to stop violence against only women will now be directed to the AVfM campaign to stop violence against women, men, and CHILDREN.  Praise to the individuals who set this up. :-)

Other commenters praised Elam’s “genius” and did little victory dances, their comments indicating that they understand full well that Elam’s claims to be “figuratively join[ing] hands with White Ribbon Campaign” are transparent bullshit. Here an an assortment of comments taken from the 100+ now up on the site.

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Some commenters took it a bit further. Shrek6, so gleeful in the comment above, earned some upvotes with a violent rant against the original “white feather” and the White Ribbon campaign that he sees as its modern equivalent:

If I had the power and I could, I would arrest every single white feather wielding coward, strip them of all their female clothing, put them in army greens and send them directly to the front line to have their heads blown apart by high powered bullets or shrapnel. Or they can watch as their female friends get their bodies blown into many parts by a bomb of some sort.
That is the only way to treat the lowest form of scum on this planet. You have to make them actually experience the hell they are shaming men into.

They are nothing but murderers and the most vial and foul thing to walk on 2 legs.

Knowing this white ribbon campaign is nothing but an extension of the white feather campaign, we must show them our indignation, our hatred and our anger. We must do all we can to beat them down, even if we have to get into their filthy nest to do so. And having this website is hopefully going to achieve that end.

(Emphasis mine. See a screenshot of his full quote here.)

A fellow by the name of Mike Gibbs added:

Traitorous white-knights and mangina’s are exponentially worse that feminist and as such, both should be eliminated.

(See a screenshot of his full quote here.)

One commenter responded, for some unknown reason, with a graphic photoshopped picture of … Anita Sarkeesian with bruises all over her face, as if she had been severely beaten. Screenshot here.

If you plan on “fucking up the shit” of a large international organization by infringing on its trademark, it seems to me, it’s probably a bad idea not to announce this publicly – and gloat about it.

And if you’re trying to pretend that you care about ending violence, you should probably not be posting comments calling for violence against your enemies.

UPDATE: The real White Ribbon campaign has responded to AVFM’s campaign. Here are some excerpts of their response, which you can see in full on their web site.

Today, White Ribbon (www.whiteribbon.ca ) became aware that a “so-called” men’s rights group has launched a copycat campaign articulating their archaic views and denials about the realities of gender-based violence.

Their vile sentiments – which include disparaging comments about women’s shelters and victim blaming survivors of rape – are completely incongruent with our values at White Ribbon.

Their misguided attempts to discredit others only make clear the extent to which they see the success of our equality-driven, evidence-based, ally-focussed work on gender justice as a real threat to their ill-informed, isolated views on this issue. This latest example is clear evidence of their insincerity and lack of commitment to developing compassionate solutions for the issues they claim to care about. It also showcases their real focus: attacking, harassing and directing anger towards others. …

Allies and supporters: do not to be fooled by this copycat campaign. We are exploring all of our options, but we will not be engaging with this group in a public screaming match. They can remain a shrill minority. We will continue to engage with the vast majority of men who believe in gender justice, and want to be part of the solution.

 

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Aitch
Aitch
10 years ago

Feck. Immoral, useless parasites.

On the bright side, at least one person learned about the real campaign today. So well done, MRAs.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago
AltoFronto
AltoFronto
10 years ago

@ davidknewton, they might even respond to the ensuing court case with something along the lines of “What do you mean, you don’t want us to join hands with you? Ungrateful feminazis, you won’t advocate for men and you don’t want anyone else advocating for men, either…”

I also suspect Elam might feign ignorance of the fact that you can’t just set yourself up alongside a charity with a lazy webpage, and claim it was all a well-intentioned, but misguided attempt to help the real campaign… On second thoughts, that would mean putting himself on the side of the pro-women advocates, and his pride wouldn’t let him stomach that.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
10 years ago

Wow. This is unbelievably arrogant, obnoxious, and stupid. What is wrong with these people? Are they deliberately trying to shoot themselves in the foot?

This isn’t even a gray area. Bad-faith cybersquatters have an uphill battle in domain infringement decisions. It doesn’t matter whether the phrase is officially trademarked, so long as the entity can prove they hold colorable rights to the trademark and are recognized widely under that name. If it’s apparent that the cybersquatter was attempting to profit or otherwise divert funds, judges are only too happy to award financial damages, fines, and even jail time. And no, a weak, ambiguously worded small-print disclaimer over a donation button that leads directly to the AVfM coffers isn’t going to protect them.

I hope the real White Ribbon campaign is collecting lots and lots of screen shots from the comment section. It seems like a pretty ironclad case. AVfM could take a serious financial and PR hit from this, and wind up “donating” a lot of money to the real White Ribbon campaign. It couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of bozos.

I don’t know why MRAs can’t do ANYTHING that isn’t a smarmy, grotesque, terrible, abusive parody of things that are real and good. They’ve never had a single original idea in their lives.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

They really don’t seem to understand the idea of real world consequences at all. If their intention is to provoke a lawsuit, well, the side with the more expensive lawyers is gonna win, so…

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

My take is that with all that Paul’s done, he thinks he is legally untouchable. He’s the worst sort of grifter.

Isn’t this latest stunt known as “wire fraud”?

marianagela
marianagela
10 years ago

I have some relevant experience and will say that it is one thing to put up a satirical copycat site to highlight one’s dissent. But the moment one takes one donation from someone unaware that it is “satirical”, it appears to be fraud. I do think it is probably already an FBI matter for that reason.

I also think it is time for the SPLC to reconsider whether AVFM now amply qualifies for their Hate Site list. In the past, the SPLC gave the reason that the Manosphere is too-loosely-organized to be called a hate organization, but AVFM is now again an LL.C. with a specific “publisher” and defined official “contributors”. I don’t see why AVFM could not be specifically listed as a hate site. The other reason I think the SPLC has not listed AVFM is because the SPLC has a long and honorable history of struggling against racism and the right-wing, but if I look at its list of hate sites, it does not currently include misogynistic sites. It would be a step forward for all of us if the SPLC would begin to include misogyny sites.

I hope other steps are taken besides a private lawsuit as I agree Elam is trying to provoke one.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
10 years ago

The thing about this particular grift is that it damages the reputation of the real charity in addition to putting money in Elams pocket. I suppose he would consider that a win/win. All the girfters usually do is say sorry and take down their fake site. Sometimes they pay a small fine.
We have an infamous one in this area that is owned by a telemarketer who pretends to raise money for breast cancer mamo for the poor. The money all goes to pay him for doing the telemarketing. He pays a fine when charged and considers it the cost of doing business.

Kevin K
Kevin K
10 years ago

@ Buttercup Q. Skullpants

They’ve never had a single original idea in their lives.

Sure they have…all bad ideas. Brain-dead hopelessly idiotic ideas that even schoolyard bullies would reject as being moronic and wrong. But they’ve had plenty of ideas.

Slime. Just slime.

I think our only consolation is that — at long last — we actually do know where “the bottom” is. It’s there. Right there. Occupied by Elam, JB, and all the rest. It’s a wonder their mirrors don’t shatter with shame when they look at themselves in the morning.

Kevin K
Kevin K
10 years ago

Oh yeah, the Federal Trade Commission is going to want to hear about an organization that falsely claims it’s a charity.

Blue Jean
Blue Jean
10 years ago

Um, Shrek6? WWI was a hundred years ago, so I’m pretty sure “all the white feather” people are dead by now, from old age if nothing else. Even if they weren’t, what “front” would you send them to? Most wars today are fought as guerrilla campaigns, not the “charge the machine nest” style from WWI.

AVM-Fact free and proud of it.

Faint Praise
Faint Praise
10 years ago

Paul Elam says none of the money will go to AVfM

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2jzcb7/avfm_joins_white_ribbon_campaign/clh77y4

Which doesn’t change the trademark violation of course. And given that AVfM went into tax forfeiture like the same year Elam LLC’ed it, I don’t think he’s qualified to run a non-profit which is far more regulated… and he’s certainly lacking experience helping victims.

This seems like a publicity stunt. Anything White Ribbon does puts AVfM in the news alongside a reputable group, and airs his nasty grievances. Even if they took Elam for every penny he owns, he’d continue to get the revenue he needs to run his site from his witless fans so nothing good can come of this.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Errr, do these guys in the OP realize they’re not the only ones who can read the comments section? I mean, do they think one needs special MRA goggles to see them gloating over trademark violation and possible larceny?

seraph4377
10 years ago

Reblogged this on Dreams of the Shining Horizon and commented:
Well. This is one of the more atrocious things I’ve seen in a while, and the Internet has been pretty nasty over the last couple days (more on that later). I knew MRA’s were terrible human beings, but this is a new low.

Here’s hoping that AVFM and Paul Elam personally are sued into bankruptcy. In the meantime, don’t be fooled. Accept no substitutes.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@Faint Praise:

Oh dear… that comment section. Paul Elam is certain that he is doing nothing illegal, claiming that he has lawyers at his disposal. This could indeed go to court. God I hope it does.

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
10 years ago

This latest example is clear evidence of their insincerity and lack of commitment to developing compassionate solutions for the issues they claim to care about. It also showcases their real focus: attacking, harassing and directing anger towards others.

This is one of the most concise and devastatingly calm smackdowns of AVfM I’ve ever seen. Good job, White Ribbon! That pretty much sums it up

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

From the reddit comments, Paul Elam:

All the information and scholarship available at whiteribbon.org IS gender neutral. In fact, its very mission is to bring gender neutrality to the IPV/DV discussion.

Which is why the only “study” available on the website is an exhaustive meta-study focusing solely on violence perpetrated by women against male partners.

I don’t think it matters that WRC.org is owned by AVFM, as long as we maintain the integrity to treat WRC as a separate mission that has nothing to do with men’s rights activism.

Which is why the site contains articles like “VAWA attacks men – Not violence” and “Why women’s shelters are hotbeds of gender hatred.” Compleeetely separate.

All monies donated through WRC will go directly to that mission, not to AVFM operations.

“That mission” being maintaining the website, as per the donation text, rather than… you know… any sort of mission related to domestic violence.

sunnysombrera
10 years ago

https://mobile.twitter.com/whiteribbon/status/525361842085195777

Saw the real White Ribbon’s statement on this. For the moment they’re just going to ignore the grifters and make sure everyone knows who the real deal is (good, because the AVfM lot get off on any kind of attention).

Please God let them take this to court and sue the bastards into the ground.

sunnysombrera
10 years ago

Dammit that didn’t embed. Hang on.
https://twitter.com/whiteribbon/status/525361842085195777

sunnysombrera
10 years ago

Aaaand forgot to post the tweets that say WR is indeed looking into legal options. I’m really sorry guys, I’ve had a really bad week so far. I am not functioning well tonight.

Kevin K
Kevin K
10 years ago

Note: The real charity can be found at http://www.whiteribbon.ca. I just donated $100.

Why Pixie?
10 years ago

Hi friends. I’m a daily lurker who loves you all (friendly embraces for all who want them.) This new bullturd from AVFM makes me want to be violently ill. I never have much to contribute talky wise, but I was wondering if David knew about the doxxing of Felicia Day? Shr posted one blog psost about gamergate, mention she hadn’t spoken up due to fear of doxxing and was doxxed less that 2 days later.

tiko72
tiko72
10 years ago

Paul Elam,you really are the scum of the earth.

talbotfish
talbotfish
10 years ago

“spending our vast resources” Read: we are putting all that money you suckers donate to good use guys ..-Actual cost of renting a url and making a FB page maybe 100 bucks.. maybe?

Y.S. Yi
Y.S. Yi
10 years ago

Out of curiosity, why is this tagged #gamergate? Aside from the Sarkeesian pic (which is kinda tangential) it doesn’t seem to have much to do with the current GamerGhazi mess.