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Woman-hating Internet losers attack Malala Yousafzai for … not being a good enough advocate for girls and women

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Return of Kings contributor “Billy Chubbs,” whose previous contributions to the wisdom of the ages include posts titled Men Should Not Help Sluts, Bangable Women Can Still Be Gross, and Unmarried Older Women Need To Go Away, has outdone himself in the awfulness department with a post this week attacking 17-year-old Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousafzai as “A Coward And A Hypocrite.”

Apparently inspired by Chubbs’ bold move, the Sarkeesian-hating, Anton LaVey-looking far-right nitwit Davis Aurini has junped on the bandwagon with his own blog post dissing Malala.

We’ll get to him in a minute. But first, Chubbs.

It’s hardly surprising that a writer for a site that portrays women as emotionally immature, intellectually inferior, and “inherently terrible people” would have a problem with a young woman known around the world for her courageous advocacy on behalf of education for girls.

But Chubbs attempts to portray himself as a true defender of “oppressed girls in crappy countries” and an enemy to “anti-female extremists.” Yes, that’s right: a man who has described young women as “society’s mobile sperm banks” and single women over 30 as “unappealing and repulsive … hoebags” is trying to pretend that he’s better advocate for girls’ and women’s rights than Malala Yousafzai.

His evidence that Malala is a “coward and a hypocrite?” The fact that she has not returned to Pakistan since being literally shot in the face by a Taliban assassin.

The reason the Taliban shot Malala in the head was to send a message that they would attack girls who wanted to get a western-style education. …

Getting shot in the head is pretty extreme, and I could respect Malala if she took it and continued to live in Pakistan. But she ran. She gave up. The extremists won unequivocally …

Malala has done more harm than good to oppressed girls in crappy countries. She says books and education are what we need to change the world, then proved that completely untrue after she ran away when a man with a gun fired a bullet into her.

Yes, what a coward for “running away” after a guy shot her in the face, say Billy Chubbs, a dude who claim to fame in the world is writing clickbait blog posts attacking women, under what I assume is a pseudonym, on a website run by a professional pickup guru who feels resentful that he has to wipe his own ass in order to appeal to women.

Malala has been an activist for education and against the Taliban since the age of 11, when she started writing a blog for the BBC on life in the Swat district of Pakistan, then under the control of the Taliban. A tireless advocate for girls while still a girl herself, she started receiving death threats, some slipped under her door, after her identity was publicly revealed. In 2012 she was shot in the face in an assassination attempt.

And Chubbs — who lives in Canada, and who is unwilling to even post a real picture of himself on the internet — thinks she’s a coward for not returning to Pakistan — where she was shot in the face, and where bookstores won’t even stock her book because of threats from the Taliban.

And he also seems to think that she’s “lucky” for being able to move to England.

Malala was lucky that she was co-opted for an agenda and was given a great place to live in the western world, because while she is touring the globe, advocating girls rights to education, those same girls are the ones forced to continue to live in places where they can be hurt and killed for trying to attend school.

And what were the “lucky” circumstances that led to her relocation to England? Oh yeah, she was shot in the face in a country without the medical infrastructure necessary to treat the injuries she received from being shot in the face.

Chubbs also throws in some old-fashioned imperialist arrogance and racism into the mix:

While Malala was laughing, playing and enjoying the safety of receiving an education in a predominantly white country found upon Christian morals, school girls in Africa were being kidnapped. …

So yes, never fear you ladies of the 2nd and 3rd world. You, too, can brave all those bad men and receive an education: so long as there are prosperous countries founded upon and still more or less exercising European Christian morals that still exist for you to run to (and which you can afford to run off to in the first place), and that you’re willing to be a hollow mascot for the powers that be in those countries.

At one point, Chubbs actually belittles her for … reading books:

Instead of reading text books and trying to fill her head with words, Malala would have been better served to take that textbook and hold it in front of her head to try and stop the bullet.

That doesn’t even make a tiny bit of sense.

Davis Aurini, meanwhile, has weighed in with an equally ridiculous, if not quite as outrageously offensive, attack on Malala for her … alleged unoriginality.

In Aurini’s view, Malala is a mere “youngling,” and a copycat of “Civilized” Western ideas. who doesn’t deserve the Nobel Prize or the money that comes with it.

[F]or the most part, love ‘em or hate ‘em, the past recipients have at least made their mark on history. With few exceptions, they’ve all walked a dangerous path and stayed committed to their cause, and they’ve brought forth intellectual and political blossomings that were unprecedented. They’ve all been inventors.

You cannot say the same for Malala Yousafzai.

Thus far in her life, she’s been little more than a poster child for the prevailing superstitions of our times.  Arguing that women should be allowed to read books is not revolutionary when you live in Britain, and while it may be brave for a girl in Pakistan to make such statements, they’re still not creative in nature; she’s merely channelling the culture of the Civilized West, repeating words that were written by others.

This from a guy whose main claim to, er, creativity consists of this “film.”

So brave, dudes. So brave.

 

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vaiyt
6 years ago

I focus on self-improvement solutions that Red Pill ideologies provide.

I wonder what kind of effective self-improvement can a bunch of conspiracy theorists who spend their days pulling theories about women out their asses provide.

Fibinachi
6 years ago

1) organize your phone by flakes, show this to people to mess them up

2) go to the gym

3) let her take off your clothes in the bedroom

4) go to the gym

5) real alpha men have no time to be your friend, prepare to be lonely

6) go to the gym

7) beta men eat takeaway more than twice a week

8) go to the gym

9) drink more water, They put bad stuff in the milj

10) go to the gym

11) women have sex with hot guys without always dating them

12) go to the gym

13) point 11 is a mindblowing truestory that will shock you to your core

14) work your core. At the gym.

15) text pictures of yourself to people when you can think of nothing to say

16) go to the gyyyyyym

17) constantly scan your surroundings for any indication of people thinking you’re weak, find ways to manipulate people into giving you information

18) the gym, have you gone?

19) strike up conversation with real alpha men by finding a common enemy and complaining about them

20) real alpha men GO TO THE GYYYYYM

21) you can test if someond is alpha by cleverly asking about their workout routines( because then you know if they GO TO THE G-G-G-G-GYYYM)

22) women have sex on their birthdays, new years and halloween. Use this fact.

23) you can only use this fact if you go to the recreational exercise area

24) that’s the gyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyym.

Fibinachi
6 years ago

If the linked blog is any identication, anyhow, vayit.

SittieKitty
6 years ago

I now see myself as the prize that she must work for to win.

Like, that’s great, loving yourself is a great way to be more confident and comfortable with yourself, as well as improve your health and relationships with others. But how how how how how do you justify attaching yourself, whom you love(?), to a movement so hateful and awful? How do you proudly equate yourself with a movement that legitimately believes in such conspiracies and why would you call yourself a “Red Piller” without believing in the whole Red Pill ideology? It’s kinda (exactly) like PUA people who insist the movement is entirely about self-improvement and not primarily about learning rapey tricks to get laid.

There are so many self-improvement and self-help books out there, why is it that you turned to one that ~just happens~ to hate women, see 50% of the world’s population as inferior, and still place women up on a pedestal despite telling other men that they aren’t prizes to be won.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

I like how Intentionally ignoring texts/calls is “flake” behavior, and not “she’s figured out that you’re no good and is intelligently brushing you off with a fast fade” behavior.

SittieKitty
6 years ago

dammit! gd blockquote monster…

SittieKitty
6 years ago

well yea, because women exist to acknowledge men donchaknow! if they aren’t then they aren’t doing their job.

grumpyoldnurse
6 years ago

I do not see a woman as an object to be had, but I now see myself as the prize that she must work for to win.

To be fair, everyone should have, and display, a healthy level of self respect and self esteem, and no one should tolerate poor behaviour from a potential partner.

It’s just that so much of the Red Pill world is based on mental masturbation and misogyny that it’s hard not to read the seeing yourself as a prize part of that statement without going snort. ::snorts::

grumpyoldnurse
6 years ago

Ninja’d by SittieKitty!

Fibinachi
6 years ago

well yea, because women exist to acknowledge men donchaknow! if they aren’t then they aren’t doing their job.

Hey, let’s be fair now! He doesn’t see women as prizes to be conquered, he views himself as a prize to be adored by women. That’s totally different, it’s a completely different thing, swear to god, it’s not at all like viewing women as prizes in a game. Nuh-uh, nope, not at all, no.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Here’s an interesting little exercise I just ran, based on a thought process evoked by myredpillmemoirs’ assertion that a lady who stops answering calls and texts is a flake, rather than someone who finds a dude too creepy to handle.

Beware: the following is very cold-blooded.

In 1996, some economists in the US tried to calculate the dollar cost of crime. You can read their findings here:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/victcost.pdf

If you scroll down to Table 2, you’ll see where they have estimated the cost of one rape. They included the tangible costs (like the price of an emergency room visit) and the quality of life cost to the victim. It does not include the cost of prosecution or imprisonment, and gives a figure for the cost of police involvement that seems laughably lowball, but becomes more reasonable when you factor in the low reporting rate of rape (which reduces average costs, because most rapes don’t involve law enforcement at all) and the reluctance of law enforcement to actually give a shit (which again lowers the average cost by spreading the cost of a single motivated detective over multiple rapes where total police involvement was taking a report or less). It also does not include the social costs, such as other people reacting to the report of a rape by changing their own behavior or taking security measures. The final tally is $87,000 in 1996 dollars. Adjusted for inflation, this equals $132,000 in 2014 dollars.

Somewhere between 5% and 13% of men are rapists. I went with a low estimate of 8%.

This means that, for any given man, stranger or otherwise, a woman who is indiscriminate about accepting social contact from men runs a 0.08 probability of winding up with a rapist. In economics, the expected cost of an incident (in this case, contact with a man) is calculated by multiplying the full cost of one adverse event (in this case, one rape) by the probability of that adverse event occurring at random during any incident. This results in $10,500, meaning that a woman can expect to pay $10,500 in rape “cost” by indiscriminately accepting social contact from any given man.

Dudes whine about how women are so unfaaaaaair by not giving them a chaaaaaaance because their hurt feelings are so, so, so important. I bet their hurt feelings are not $10,500 worth of important. If you asked a guy how much he would be willing to pay to make his bruised feelings go away, I don’t think you would get a figure as high as $10,500, ever.

Therefore, the socially efficient outcome (the outcome that incurs the least cost overall) is for the lady to steer totally clear of the guy, hurt his widdle feewings because she didn’t give him a chaaaaaance, make him pay the probably $50 that his hurt feelings are worth and avoid paying the $10,500 in rape costs.

In other words, not answering myredpillmemoirs’ texts is actually the most rational response.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

I also want to caveat that the above figures on rape were, without exception, examining only women as victims and only men as perpetrators. This is a very strong limitation on generalizations for rapists of other genders and victims of other genders.

ktrantingredhead
6 years ago

The liberation of women is synonymous with social and economic progress. Period. There is not one, single, solitary country that has NOT seen vast economic and social progress with the liberation of women. Likewise, there is not one, single, solitary country that has NOT seen vast economic and social ruin with the oppression of women. This is a fact….a pretty goddamn easy one to prove….and MRAs fancy themselves super logical and always factual. Why don’t any of them see this painstakingly obvious trend?

The only “example” the might be able to come up with is America’s recent recession…and somehow thinking it’s all because rich, spoiled, ungrateful, evil cunts have somehow forced the dickhead men….yes, MEN….of Wall St. and Washington piss on the freedoms and faces of the rest of us.

(derpaderp #notallmen derpaderpderpderrrrrrrrrpppppppppppppppp)

….and that’s a recession in one of the wealthiest countries on the planet….which is to say, jack shit in the grand scheme. What Americans call “a recession” second and third world countries call “Tuesday.” Do they have any idea how many countries DREAM of a mere 6% unemployment rate? Of course they don’t. That would take them feng shui-ing their own heads out of their asses for a moment.

Of course, I expect no less from uneducated, self entitled, white, male, American troglodytes who think if they use words they just looked up in a thesaurus just now so ME SOUND SMART, who’ve rarely stepped out of their own toilets, let alone visited another country, especially not a second or third world country….which is odd since they’re so convinced all the top shelf women are from those countries.

That’s EXACTLY why they fear and thus hate women like Malala. They’re afraid that the number of counties they can get a mail order bride from will drop to zero if women are allowed the evil extravagance of BOOKS. Women’s heads are better filled with recipes and cleaning methods and the mysterious art of the blow job rather than higher level ideas that can actually improve the quality of life for the entire planet…that should be left to dah menz. Pathetic, fearful, ridiculous little pricks whose uppance WILL one day come. Women are winning. There’s no way around it. That might be why they’re especially heinous lately. A beast fights hardest for it’s life when it’s the closest to its death.

ktrantingredhead
6 years ago

Also, to those saying that if one of these schmucks took a bullet to the face it would destroy them…..sadly, no, they’d find a way to blame feminists for it.

SittieKitty
6 years ago

Yea, but ktrantingredhead, the only reason women are even allowed to do those things is because the men have so graciously allowed it and stopped making them property. Really, if you think about it, women’s progress was done by men.

/s

Antonio Pe Yang III
6 years ago

Pardon me if I’m mistaken, but wasn’t Malala flown to the UK because that was the only place where should could get proper treatment? And I also remember reading she was heavily sedated when she was flown in, so getting stuck in Europe was hardly her choice.

And I do not blame her or her family for deciding to stay in the UK. I blame the Pakistani gov’t for letting these gun-toting thugs attack innocent girls like her with impunity.

And then there’s this bit…

//Instead of reading text books and trying to fill her head with words, Malala would have been better served to take that textbook and hold it in front of her head to try and stop the bullet.//

Malala was shot with an AK-47. An assault rifle. At that range, the bullet would have gone through a typical paper-bound textbook as if it were tissue. You’d need at least level 4 body armor to stop it. We’re talking several dozen layers of kevlar, plus a steel or ceramic ballistic plate. And it’d still break bones.

It never ceases to amuse me when these MRA dolts reveal just how little they know abouot “manly” stuff like firearms and body armor. Bloody posers.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I don’t get into the feminist-misogynist debates;

How convenient. Thinking about how you’ve embraced an ideology that promotes misogyny and manipulation tactics that get downright rapey would be inconvenient and hard. We can’t have that! Best to look the other way when your compatriots advocate isolating drunk vulnerable young women from her friends, right?

I focus on self-improvement solutions that Red Pill ideologies provide.

Joining a misogynist group is self improvement how? You can get fit, wear more stylish clothes and practice sounding more self assured without viewing women as the sexual class and without making buddies with rapists.

I do not see a woman as an object to be had, but I now see myself as the prize that she must work for to win.

Hahaha! If you’re such a prize we should be working for, why do you have a phone full of numbers of women who don’t return your calls and texts. They aren’t flakes. They aren’t in to you. Probably because they realized you’re a creep.

myredpillmemoirs
6 years ago
Reply to  SittieKitty

To be honest, I just don’t read the articles that have negative tones, such as the article written by Chubb’s. Christians read the bible, but you can’t tell me that all Christians believe Noah’s Ark to be a true event.

I withdraw the information that I need from a group of men that have real world experience.

It doesn’t bother me that the women commenting have chosen to insult and bash me (I’m actually disappointed because my first impression of WHTM readers is not what I expected)

I’ve lost 35lbs, beat alcoholism, become a better role model to my daughter, and I have healthier relationships with men and women. I have done all of this in less than 10 months – if you can suggest a book/video/course that is free and will provide real results, I will gladly look into it. Quite frankly, I do not believe anything exists that can.

Is the Manosphere perfect? Heck no, but neither were feminist organizations at any point since their creation.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

(I’m actually disappointed because my first impression of WHTM readers is not what I expected)

I admit to curiosity: what the fuck makes you think this neg is going to fly here?

SittieKitty
6 years ago

So… no response to the charge about the misogyny rampant in the red pill community and actually kinda in your own writing? (I confess, I hadn’t read your stuff before I answered you the first time.)

if you can suggest a book/video/course that is free and will provide real results, I will gladly look into it. Quite frankly, I do not believe anything exists that can.

Honestly this isn’t that hard to do.
Also, in all seriousness, this guy’s writing is essentially Self-Improvement For Men without a lot of the bullshit misogyny that Red Pill has. You should read it. I’m not even 100% sure he’s not objectionable in some way, which ya know, most self-help gurus are, but still…

Tracy
6 years ago

To be honest, I just don’t read the articles that have negative tones

You should. You may think twice about adopting a red pill moniker. I’m not clear as to why you’d want to self-identify with a group/ideology you aren’t totally familiar with. Don’t you want to check out the whole package, especially if the movement (or whatever you want to call it) is so important to you?

It’s wonderful you’ve improved your life so much. Honestly, it is. Thing is, there are many ways to do that that don’t involve the sheer amount of vitriol directed at 50% of humanity contained in RP ideology (and let’s be honest, there’s plenty more bile directed toward other men who don’t live up to the standards set by the RP et al.) Hell, ask around here and you’ll get as many different methods and sources for self-improvement as there are commenters.

Fibinachi
6 years ago

To be honest, I just don’t read the articles that have negative tones, such as the article written by Chubb’s. Christians read the bible, but you can’t tell me that all Christians believe Noah’s Ark to be a true event.

I withdraw the information that I need from a group of men that have real world experience.

It doesn’t bother me that the women commenting have chosen to insult and bash me (I’m actually disappointed because my first impression of WHTM readers is not what I expected)

I’ve lost 35lbs, beat alcoholism, become a better role model to my daughter, and I have healthier relationships with men and women. I have done all of this in less than 10 months – if you can suggest a book/video/course that is free and will provide real results, I will gladly look into it. Quite frankly, I do not believe anything exists that can.

Is the Manosphere perfect? Heck no, but neither were feminist organizations at any point since their creation.

One, I second Policy of Madness: Is that supposed to make me feel odd for being a bit snarky at you? Come on man, don’t neg me. I ain’t gonna bite.

Secondly – People here have been nice to you, man. Look:
I wished you the best (I meant it), SittieKitty there pointed out how it’s actually a great thing to love yourself and be more accepting of yourself, grumpyoldnurse said that everyone should display a healthy level of self respect.

Weirwoodtreehugger did nothing worse than point out that most of the stuff that is identified as “red pill” on the internet is abhorrent. Leah pointed out the same. Blahlistic said the same.

I mean, it’s cool you think that was insulting and bashing you. It wasn’t and it isn’t, but it’s all right that you think so, and you’re allowed to!

I think actually the worst one was me, and I was just poking fun at the fact that your blog mentions “gym” 6 times on the first page and paired “alpha” with “gym culture” at all times.. It’s great to have fitness goals and to be striving to achieve them. Best of luck with it. I just deadlifted 120 kilos, and I’m quite proud (5 more and I can do 2x my body weight! Wooooooh! Next up, one armed hand stand push ups. Rawr!)

The fact that you’ve lost 35 lbs, beat alcoholism, become a better role model to your daughter and have healthier relationships with men and women is a good thing. That’s great. That is honestly entirely completely great! Keep at it!

Now the question is this: can you do all that without also blogging about your elaborate revenge fantasies of sleeping with the enemies of your ex girlfriend? Can you do all that without thinking that all women slut it up on vacations because that’s somehow sex they can have with no commitments, and this is bad? Can you do all that without literally stating that:

#2 The Popularly Unpopular
∆He’s the guy that starts and runs the NBA, NFL, and NHL fantasy leagues
∆He’s the guy that organizes frequent poker nights “with the guys”
∆He’s the guy that orders pizza or fast food more than twice per week

is somehow the traits of a undisclosed beta loser? Dude, organizing fantasy football leagues is hard work and being the person who schedules the poker nights is fucking important if you want to have poker nights at all.

Can you do it without somehow ending up in a position where you get angry at people for flaking on you, and respond to that anger by either childishly renaming them on your phone and showing them this new crude nickname, being a snipey rager who “calls them out” or writing upset blog posts about it? Can you do all that without, without, without, without, falling into the trap of somehow thinking that a few good ideas (“take care of your own body”) somehow excuses the endless seas of evil that is the rest of red pill ideology (“fuck those bitches, Malala Yousafzai was a bad person for not sticking around to get shot more”?)

Anyway? Books that can help you in 10 months or less. I assume you’re trying to accomplish your fitness goals and otherwise become a happier person?

Here’s what works for me:

The Four Hour Body – Timothy Ferriss
It’s chapters after chapters on optimizing everything from food to sleep to your exercise regiment.

The Four Hour Chef – Timothy Ferriss

Same deal, with food (and everything else)

The Art Of Learning – Josh Waltzkin

It could also be called “How to learn literally any damn thing at all with minimum effort and maximum fun”.

You Are Your Own Gym, Mark Lauren and Convict Conditioning, Paul Wade

Body weight exercise books that offer well illustrated, well written guides on exercise regimens that contain no gym time, no weights and nothing but your own body in easily manageable progressions. This is useful because it allows you to cut down on gym time (so you can read, or learn spanish, or whatever), and also because adding the few exercises to your routines in the gym will maximize your benefits. (Plus, if you’re so damn keen on showing of your body, being the guy who can one handed pull ups is impressive)

Do note that one is a former spec ops instructor and the other has a prison theme, so be prepared to mentally sort out all the “RAWR RAWR”.

Yes Means Yes

It’s a blog. A blog about sex and people and rape and sexuality.

Why Does He Do That: The Minds of Abusive Men

Read it, and if you find yourself thinking: “Hey, that’s me”, fucking stop with that behavior pattern.

Show Me How: Life Explained One Step At A Time Derek Fagerstorm, Lauren Smith

A book with handy little pictrograms for doing anything from cooking, to meditating, to wrestling an alligator, to riding an elephant. You have a daughter? Pick a random thing, do it together! Learn something new! Also amazing for gatherings and people in general and just fun.

Susan Faludi: Betrayal of the modern man

It’s a long look at American masculinity, and I’m fucking certain it’ll contain a few things of interest to you, your relationships with other people, and why maybe accepting all the idiots who blame everything bad that ever happened on feminism and women is not the right way to go through life.

Literally Anything Else Than Return Of Kings

You can read the washing instructions on your sweater and it’ll give you a more interesting, nuanced look at the complexities of life.

—–

But even with that, I doubt you’ll take it, because your desire to identity yourself as a red pill guy despite the obvious misogyny and hair-raising cruelty of that movement indicates that you don’t really, honestly, at all, care for women or people or anything but yourself and how you can maximize the gratification of your own life at the cost of others. You’ll happily claim “The movement ain’t perfect”, when “the movement” contains people that advocate for the cessation of education of all women, the destruction of the modern state, a return to a monarchy, driving fat people to suicide and that all women who sleep with anyone but the guy they’re married to (and even then) are slutty sluts.

And that’s just from Return of Kings, not the rest of the sordid basement fest that is red pill movements.

Oh, also, How To Win Friends And Influence People: Dale Carnegie (paying special attention to the chapters where he mentions that his advice is not a “strategy for manipulation” but ” an actual new way of dealing with life and people, that merely not criticising is good but not intending to criticize is better”).

Or fucking google it.

Hell, click in SittieKitty’s link.

but you won’t. Because we “insult and bash you” when we point out that hating 50% of the human race is misogyny and that it isn’t a necessary component of becoming a better person either.

Tracy
6 years ago

Also…

I’ve lost 35lbs, beat alcoholism, become a better role model to my daughter, and I have healthier relationships with men and women. I have done all of this in less than 10 months

If this is true, and I’m going to assume it is, please realize that YOU did this. The RP didn’t do it. You did it.

One of the first things that you realize after a few doses of Red Pill is that men are weak.

That’s from your blog. COME ON. First of all, this ridiculous external locus of control crap, ie: after a few doses of the Red Pill. Like it’s a thing that exists that affects change, you just gotta take it, man.

Second, have some bloody compassion for people. Cutting the ‘weak’ men from your life: you go on to describe some ‘weak’ behaviours that yep, do sound like behaviours I wouldn’t want in a friend. Others, however, ie: ‘He’s the guy that flew through college or university but doesn’t know girls’ – what? How does having such a narrow view of what a ‘strong’ man is help you, or anyone? Like, ever? It’s one thing to not want to hang out with people who do not-so-nice things; it’s another to avoid people because their ‘weak’ vibes might somehow rub off on you (a la The Secret-type crap), which is what I took from your piece there on RP Loneliness.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

@Fibinachi

JFC, you have more kindness in your left pinky finger for this idiot than he deserves.

Fibinachi
6 years ago

Also, sidenote.

It’s fun how one can compare “the manopshere” to “feminism” as if the two were anything alike, and then get to make some point about how the lack of perfection of one excuses the other claiming all women are evil incarnate.

Smooth, that.

Tracy
6 years ago

@Fibinachi, seconding You Are Your Own Gym, Mark Lauren and Convict Conditioning, Paul Wade! Great books. Though currently I’m exploring Body By Science (Doug McGuff MD & John Little), bc I’ve gone about as far as I can (for now) with bodyweight and suspension trainer, based on my overall goals. Also, congrats on your DL, rawwwr!

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Anything constructed along the lines of “I’m not a red piller, but” or “I’m not an MRA, but” I just read as “I am a red piller” or “I am an MRA”.

SittieKitty
6 years ago

*Adds titles to book list*

Some of those look awesome fibinachi!

Fibinachi
6 years ago

Yeah, that’s probably true, Policy of Madness.

Something in the faux-apologetic half-assed “Oh, but I’m not really mean, I don’t pay attention to all the negative vibes, and besides, I lost 35 pounds and have a daughter, so you can’t tell me feminism is perfect” just gets to me.

But I notice a double punctuation in my wall of text, so it’s time to go sterilize myself because I think I’ve accidentally caught MRAmmar (It’s like grammar, only not)

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

To be honest, I just don’t read the articles that have negative tones, such as the article written by Chubb’s. Christians read the bible, but you can’t tell me that all Christians believe Noah’s Ark to be a true event.

Choosing to not read the most vitriolic misogyny coming from your movement, does not absolve you of anything. You’re still associating with people who consistently dehumanize women and advocate abuse and rape. If you’re being honest about being a long time lurker, you’re obviously familiar with the worst of the misogyny (often with a side of racism, homophobia, and transphobia) coming from the PUA community and it still isn’t enough to put you off them. If misogyny doesn’t bother, you must be misogynistic too.

I can’t help you with the bible analogy. As a culturally Christian atheist, I’ve never understood how progressive and rational Christians reconcile their beliefs with the parts of the bible that are problematic. I accept that they have because I’m not a Sam Harris type, but I can’t do it myself.

It is however, interesting that you chose belief in the Noah’s ark story to make your analogy. It would have made more sense to point out there are Christians who aren’t misogynists even though the bible says that when a town full of non-believers is conquered, the victors are permitted to rape and forcibly marry the virgin girls from that town. Apparently you’re so misogyny blind that you couldn’t use misogyny in the bible to make your Christianity analogy because you couldn’t think of anything.

Of course, it’s silly to compare a huge and diverse religion that has been around a couple thousand of years to a group that is dedicated to picking up women and saying sexist things about them. You’re underestimating the importance and influence of red pill here.

I withdraw the information that I need from a group of men that have real world experience.

Real world experience raping women too drunk to consent, coercing women into sex and violating women’s boundaries in public places? Nothing says self improvement like sexual assault! I guess getting laid is more important than the health and safety of women though.

It doesn’t bother me that the women commenting have chosen to insult and bash me (I’m actually disappointed because my first impression of WHTM readers is not what I expected)

I thought you said you’ve lurked here? This is not a feminism/social justice 101 site. This is a mockery site. We mock misogyny here. You should read the description of the site before commenting. If you expected cookies for #notallredpilling from us, you don’t know this site at all.

I’ve lost 35lbs, beat alcoholism, become a better role model to my daughter, and I have healthier relationships with men and women. I have done all of this in less than 10 months – if you can suggest a book/video/course that is free and will provide real results, I will gladly look into it. Quite frankly, I do not believe anything exists that can.

What do any of these things have to do with red pill? For your sake, I hope you haven’t substituted red pill for a recovery program because that’s not going to be sustainable.

Again, you don’t need red pill to go to the gym and eat healthier. There’s about a zillion health and fitness websites, books and magazines out there. As I’m sure you know.

I really, really don’t see how red pill could possibly make you a good role model for your child. Would you really feel comfortable letting your daughter around red pillers once she reaches puberty (if she hasn’t yet)? Do you want them looking at her, giving a rating from 1-10 and declaring that they would or would not bang? Do you want them pumping alcohol down her throat and isolating her from her friends so she’s vulnerable and not in good condition to say no? Do you want them going up to her, grabbing her and forcing her hand on their penises because to be an alpha male you have to show dominance? Are you not aware that as soon as a girl grows breasts she’s subjected to constant cat calls and harassment, frequently from much older men? And that this behavior is still socially acceptable because thanks to men like you, women are still viewed as the sexual class and not full human beings. Really?

I usually hate arguments like this. Men shouldn’t have empathy for us because we’re daughters, mothers, wives and sisters. They should have empathy for us because we’re human. As men are. I don’t know how else to get through to you though. The women that you dehumanize, are also somebody’s daughter. Just like your daughter.

Is the Manosphere perfect? Heck no, but neither were feminist organizations at any point since their creation.

False equivalence. Feminism is a social justice movement dedicated to achieving equality for women.

The manosphere is a corner of the internet devoted to hating and dehumanizing women. It has never achieved anything positive for the world. And no, getting your dick wet doesn’t count as something positive for the world.

Feminism has not been perfect, but that doesn’t mean we’re like the manosphere.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

@Fibinachi

What gets to me is the “I am such a prize, and I’m going to prove it by negging this entire commentariat!”

Yeah, actually, actively trying to ding the self-esteem of everyone he meets (I mean, we’re on the fucking internet here, he can’t bang anyone so he gains nothing from the neg except a warm fuzzy at the expense of others) makes him a raging asshole. He’s a prize like a rat turd in a box of Cracker Jacks is a prize.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

JFC, you have more kindness in your left pinky finger for this idiot than he deserves.

Yeah, I wasn’t particularly nice to him but still felt I was a little too nice.

*Summons Cassandrakitty and Hellkell*

Fibinachi
6 years ago

Oh, thanks Tracy, Google tells me that’s just up my alley as well. Thank you!

( Since I guess we’re doing that now, here’s some other stuff I’ve found useful:

Wreck This Journal, Keri Smith
It’s a journal with instructions how to destroy it.
It’s really more fun than it sounds.

Drawing On the Artist Within, Betty Edwards
It’s a book on learning how to draw semi-realistically in 2-3 months. It’s bloody amazing, is what it is, and even though the science itself is way, way out of date (right / left brain split isn’t really vogue any more) the notions themselves are sound. If anyone’s interested, I can finagle up some “from this to this” progress pictures of my own stuff.

The New Voice, How To Sing and Speak Properly, Alan Green
I used to mumble and stutter and talk really, really quickly.
Now I don’t.

Unmasking The Face, Paul Ekman

Think of it as a manual of applied empathy. It’s a combination of fun research about facial expressions, and various tips for recognizing emotion in others / yourself.

Zen Meditation in Plain English, Iforgottheauthor Damnbylongtermmemory

Sit still, productively.

The Post Above This One, Weirwoodtreehugger

It’s a really good post! Read it! )

@Policy of Madness

“I’m such a prize, and I’m going to write a long blog post about my intentions of getting revenge on my ex-girlfriend by sleeping with one of her self-declared enemies! That’ll really show ’em all! Mwahahaha! It’s not like they’re really people anyhow!”

Actually he does get worse the more you think about it. I think the rational choice of staying away from this lad is entirely the rational economic choice. Neat analysis, by the by.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

I do have to admit that I am absolutely in love with this image that our TRPer has on his top post right now:

http://myredpillmemoirs.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/wpid-wp-1413471761904.jpeg

Redpiller dude. This doesn’t mean what you think it means. I am laughing at your expense.

myredpillmemoirs
6 years ago
Reply to  Fibinachi

I must say – excellent response. I will in fact look at the books you mentioned (I love Dale Carnegie’s work, so I’ll trust your recommendations).

I cannot defend what men say on the internet and how they choose to hate particular groups and/or individuals. What my original comment was meant to highlight is that the Red Pill Movement does include men that are void of this hatred.

On a side note, where is the “hating 50% of the human race” reference toward? I didn’t understand.

myredpillmemoirs
6 years ago

You blatantly compared me to a rapist lmfao! Who does that? Lol

myredpillmemoirs
6 years ago
Reply to  SittieKitty

I enjoyed his articles. Thank you for that.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 years ago

I do not see a woman as an object to be had, but I now see myself as the prize that she must work for to win.

So, you’ve gone from thinking of women as objects to seeing them as adversaries. And you’ve started to think of relationships as power struggles where someone has to “win” and someone has to “lose”.

Dude, that’s not progress. You’re making yourself less attractive to women, not more. It doesn’t matter how many crunches and reps you do if no one can stand to be around you because you’re always negging them and using them as a punching bag for your insecurities.

Self confidence doesn’t come from a bunch of formulas and jargon and bogus “field reports”. It’s learning to feel comfortable enough in your own skin that you can relate to people as they are, not as levels to beat in your own personal video game.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

You blatantly compared me to a rapist lmfao! Who does that? Lol

You just blatantly demonstrated that you know nothing about economics, statistics, business administration or game theory, because any of them would have educated you enough to follow what I was doing.

This is basic, 201-level stuff here. Go back and study up, and try again.

SittieKitty
6 years ago

On a side note, where is the “hating 50% of the human race” reference toward?

The human race is traditionally split up into two genders, of approximately 50/50. One of these is men, the other is women. When a group of men hate women they are therefore hating 50% of the world’s population. HTH.

(I’m going to assume that gender binary and discussions about gender, sex, ect is known by regulars and more than this person can handle atm.)

SittieKitty
6 years ago

I cannot defend what men say on the internet and how they choose to hate particular groups and/or individuals. What my original comment was meant to highlight is that the Red Pill Movement does include men that are void of this hatred.

You can’t defend it, no. You can speak out against it and not explicitly endorse it though! Shockingly, when you call yourself a Red Piller, and the majority of the Red Pill movement is made up of misogynistic entitled assholes, and what they’re known for is hatred of women, most people are going to assume you share that ideology. Just sayin’.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

@SittieKitty

I really encourage you to click on his name and read his blog before you offer him much more benefit of the doubt.

myredpillmemoirs
6 years ago

It has been quite intense taking in all of your opinions. I’m glad that I commented on David’s work yesterday and look forward to reading his next article (especially the comments). Enjoy your weekend!

Fibinachi
6 years ago

You blatantly compared me to a rapist lmfao! Who does that? Lol

that’s really not what happened. It’s not (statistically) about *you*, it’s a (somewhat cold) statement about strangers, sociality and people in *general* (using you as a constructive starting point).

I’m going to add Mathematics for Economics and Business, Seventh Edition, Jacques to my list of recommendations.

Maybe Policy of Madness has some more books on policy or economics or game theory or business to add (I’ll take ’em, for sure)

I must say – excellent response. I will in fact look at the books you mentioned (I love Dale Carnegie’s work, so I’ll trust your recommendations).

I cannot defend what men say on the internet and how they choose to hate particular groups and/or individuals. What my original comment was meant to highlight is that the Red Pill Movement does include men that are void of this hatred.

On a side note, where is the “hating 50% of the human race” reference toward? I didn’t understand.

Sorry, was weirwoodtreehugger being unclear?

I guess I can quote the salient parts.

Choosing to not read the most vitriolic misogyny coming from your movement, does not absolve you of anything. You’re still associating with people who consistently dehumanize women and advocate abuse and rape. If you’re being honest about being a long time lurker, you’re obviously familiar with the worst of the misogyny (often with a side of racism, homophobia, and transphobia) coming from the PUA community and it still isn’t enough to put you off them. If misogyny doesn’t bother, you must be misogynistic too.

and

What do any of these things have to do with red pill? For your sake, I hope you haven’t substituted red pill for a recovery program because that’s not going to be sustainable.

Again, you don’t need red pill to go to the gym and eat healthier. There’s about a zillion health and fitness websites, books and magazines out there. As I’m sure you know.

I really, really don’t see how red pill could possibly make you a good role model for your child. Would you really feel comfortable letting your daughter around red pillers once she reaches puberty (if she hasn’t yet)? Do you want them looking at her, giving a rating from 1-10 and declaring that they would or would not bang? Do you want them pumping alcohol down her throat and isolating her from her friends so she’s vulnerable and not in good condition to say no? Do you want them going up to her, grabbing her and forcing her hand on their penises because to be an alpha male you have to show dominance? Are you not aware that as soon as a girl grows breasts she’s subjected to constant cat calls and harassment, frequently from much older men? And that this behavior is still socially acceptable because thanks to men like you, women are still viewed as the sexual class and not full human beings. Really?

I usually hate arguments like this. Men shouldn’t have empathy for us because we’re daughters, mothers, wives and sisters. They should have empathy for us because we’re human. As men are. I don’t know how else to get through to you though. The women that you dehumanize, are also somebody’s daughter. Just like your daughter.

Wait no I just copy-pasted 87% of the response now.
Ups.

Oh!

Honeybee Democracy Thomas D. Seeley is about democracy in honeybee colonies, and how they interact to figure out patterns for solving problems. It’s a fun read.

Moonwalking With Einstein is about remembering everything, forever, and is interesting.

SittieKitty
6 years ago

@Policy of Madness, I really have very little desire to do that lol, I’m still easing back in to the internet. I took a brief scan and that was enough for me.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

@Fibinachi

(I’ll take ‘em, for sure)

Law’s Order by David Friedman is kind of an introductory book aimed at non-economists. It’s a fun read. It’s also available for free on the Internet, something I discovered only after I bought a hardcopy. LOL

http://daviddfriedman.com/laws_order/index.shtml

The hardcopy has a nice cover with a weird texture that I can’t stop petting, so it’s not like I feel cheated.

More tangentially, there is Place Matters: Metropolitics for the Twenty-first Century, by Dreier, Mollenkopf & Swanstrom. Unless you are in the field you probably have not heard of these individuals, but they are Big Figures, and it’s a smart book.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Oh, and it just occurred to me: I can also recommend The Geography of Opportunity: Race and Housing Choice in Metropolitan America, edited by de Souza Briggs. It won’t give you any good feelings, but it’s information that probably everyone should have.

Fibinachi
6 years ago

Will the feelings be better or worse than reading about people who think a 17 year old a coward for fleeing from a country wherein she was shot in the head?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

@SittieKitty

Hey, I don’t blame you. There aren’t that many entries, but it’s obvious that this TRPer is teaching himself to engage with women on the shallowest possible level, and feeding himself the “all women are alike/women are a monolith” story. So he finds something on the internet that advises women to play hard to get; therefore, this is something all women do, and they obviously do it successfully because otherwise they wouldn’t tell each other to do this (the concept that sometimes people give bad and stupid advice to complete strangers never seems to cross his mind), and therefore he should incorporate this into his “game” because it is always, 100% true

He doesn’t report stunning successes (at one point he says that all 20 women he’s talked to since January have “flaked” on him) but seems to think that just means he hasn’t done TRP enough, thereby demonstrating an ideological affinity to the Austrian school of economics, although I doubt he has ever heard of that.

He seems to have the most success with FWB, about whom he says, “These two women also know the current issues in my life (and I know theirs) because we communicate well,” and “The best part of a FWB is not needing to work any ‘game’ through text messaging.” In other words, he has sex when he turns off the “game” and actually communicates with women, but for some reason the realization of what this means hasn’t percolated through his cerebral cortex.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

I do not see a woman as an object to be had, but I now see myself as the prize that she must work for to win.

In other words, you’ve drunk the Kook-Aid. Congrats, you are now delusional!

>dismisses silly troll with a regal wave of the hand<