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A Voice for Men offers proof that it was a feminist who threatened Anita Sarkeesian. Minus the proof.

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Snidely Whiplash, actual cartoon villain

“Andy Bob” of A Voice for Men has decided that the recent threats against Anita Sarkeesian are fake because … they’re too melodramatic.

In a rather remarkable bit of logicking titled “Anonymous feminist provides Anita Sarkeesian with a potential new source of revenue,” Andy Bob quotes this line from the threat email:

“Feminists have ruined my life and I will have my revenge, for my sake and the sake of all the others they’ve wronged.”

And adds:

The only thing missing is the swish of “his” cape as he exits, stage left, with his “semi-automatic rifle, multiple pistols, and a collection of pipe bombs” cunningly concealed beneath “his” jauntily angled fedora.

Huh. You may recall that the most famous person to publicly declare that “feminists have ruined my life”– that is, Marc Lepine — followed that declaration with a shooting spree that left 14 women dead.

You may also remember a certain fellow named Elliot Rodger, who announced his shooting spree this spring with a video in which he, for all intents and purposes, did his best impersonation of a comic book supervillain, complete with evil laughs. Railing against the “girls” who committed the horrible injustice of not dating him, he declared in his final video that

I will punish all of you for it. (laughs)

On the day of retribution I am going to enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB… and I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut I see inside there. …

I will take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you.

You will finally see that I am in truth the superior one. The true alpha male. (laughs)

The fact is that mass killers often have grandiose visions of themselves as avenging angels/devils, and see the world in stark black and white terms.

I have no idea if the latest threats against Sarkeesian are “real,” or if they’re the work of some sadistic asshole trying to terrorize her into silence with words, or whether they were written by her cat, but the fact that these words are melodramatic is hardly proof that they weren’t meant sincerely.

The “if it’s melodramatic it’s fake” argument is also a highly, well, ironic one to make in an online publication that’s home to some of the most melodramatic writing this side of a #GamerGate manifesto.

Here, for example, is John Hembling, then the managing editor of AVFM, writing about the efforts of feminists to get Facebook to take down gender-based hate speech (whether directed at women or men):

They are not simply adherents of an ideology of hatred and violence, wrapping itself in the increasingly transparent veneer of false and pious humanism. … They are fascists, and if you support their cause, that of censorship, you may be a fascist as well.

And here is an actual sentence from an AVFM post by August Løvenskiolds:

Cunt-power is cunning but every now and then, it peeks through the veil to expose a fetid maw of endless hunger and hatred.

So, yeah, Men’s Rights activists in general, and AVFMers in particular, are not exactly strangers to melodrama.

But Andy Bob evidently never reads the publication he is writing for, as he goes on to, er, argue:

There is no doubt whatsoever that this email was written by a feminist posing as an MHRA. The entirely fictitious character, who is supposed to have written it, conforms so closely to the feminist mischaracterization of MHRAs as dangerously violent psychopaths who dream of brutally silencing women that it could only have been written by someone whose goal was to maintain and embellish this outrageously slanderous threat narrative.

Yeah, it’s not as if MRAs and #GamerGaters ever present themselves in a menacing manner.

The character created as the author of the email is an artful pastiche of those mythical MHRAs, Elliot Rodger and Marc Lépine, neither of whom had any connection with known MHR organizations, despite fraudulent feminist claims to the contrary. …

The feminist author promises to “write my manifesto in her spilled blood” in order to raise the spectre of Rodger, who wrote a lengthy manifesto that primarily detailed his inability to get laid and revealed that he was the kind of sad and crazy pussy-beggar who would probably have been persona non grata in the MHRM had he ever attempted to gain entry—which he never did.

Given that Lepine lived and died long before there even was an Men’s Rights movement, it seems a bit weird to brag that he wasn’t a member of any “known MHR organizations.”

And while Elliot Rodger didn’t, as far as I know, identify as a Men’s Rights activist, he was a reader of and a commenter on PUAhate, a website connected to regular A Voice for Men contributor Jalon Cain (aka “Aaron Sleazy”), who volunteered as a moderator on the site and promoted it on his own site. Both Lepine and Rodger shared many of the beliefs of the current Men’s Rights movement.

Even more to the point, there’s no logic to Andy Bob’s argument. The fact that neither Lepine nor Rodger were card-carrying MRAs doesn’t prove that the author of the latest threats isn’t an MRA. Nor does it prove that the writer of the threats is a feminist. These are logic fails as big as Paul Elam’s ego.

The “MHRM produces crazed murderers who target women” threat narrative has been so closely observed throughout the text of the email that it could only have been written by someone who assisted in its construction. Two of the reasons why feminists posing as MHRAs are so easy to detect are the style of language they employ and the fact that their purported representation of MHRAs has the unmistakable tone of caricature that frequently devolves into the realm of pantomime.

Well, aside from the fact that the writer actually used a lot of specific phrases that are used often, and in one case almost exclusively, by MRAs.

“Anita Sarkeesian is everything wrong with the feminist woman, and she is going to die screaming like the craven little whore that she is if you let her come to USU.”

Really? And her little dog too?

This statement sounds more like it came from Snow White’s wicked stepmother as she raises a Sarkeesianesque eyebrow in envious rage than a real-life psycho.

Or from Elliot Rodger — who gleefully announced that “I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” he saw, before attempting to do just that.

There isn’t the slightest hint of articulated performance in the glib and terrifying words of genuinely deranged psychopaths like Elliot Rodger and Marc Lépine.

Apparently Andy Bob never watched Elliot Rodger’s extravagantly melodramatic final video.

The only question that remains is: Who has a history of making death threats via emails to venues hosting talks on potentially contentious issues and has a vested interest in publicly demonizing the MHRM by maintaining a false threat narrative through attempted character assassination and misrepresenting everything we stand for?

Could it be …. Satan?

Well, no. He means AVFM’s version of Satan: Feminists — as the title of his post proclaims even more categorically.

Of course, A Voice for Men has never offered proof that any of the alleged threats made against its conference came from feminists. Or that these threats even existed. Indeed, even while AVFM was raising literally tens of thousands of dollars for “security,” the site’s lawyers were accusing the Doubletree Hilton hotel of faking the threats for money. Indeed, in the comments on AVFM, Andy Bob himself sneered at the Doubletree employee that Elam suggested might have faked the threats. But now Andy Bob has conveniently changed his mind and is presenting the alleged threats against AVFM as real. The irony meter level here is over 9000.

Several of the commenters to Andy Bob’s post go on to accuse … me of writing the threats.

 Bryan Scandrett Andybob • 18 hours ago  Maybe I'm stuck in some MRA group think vortex here but a brief scan of that article flags Futrelle as a person of interest as author of the threat. Looks a lot like someone over working a frame up, trying to lead the law to the "crims" he wants punished.  "I went through the email – the full text of which I found in this Pastebin – cutting and pasting some of its more memorable phrases into Google to see just where – if anywhere – these phrases showed up online. And I found that quite a few of them are phrases that are used almost nowhere else but in the misogynistic subcultures I write about on this blog – specifically, in the Men’s Rights and “Game” subcultures. This is someone, like Elliot Rodger before him, who has been reading if not actively participating in these subcultures"  Google misandrist harpies and mostly you get Anita and David. In 50+ yrs of this shit I don't recall ever seeing those two words put together.Huh.

 Paul Bryan Scandrett • 12 hours ago  They should definitely examine his search history to see *when* he did those searches.  Is examining the email in such detail the internet equivalent of returning to the scene of the crime?Yes, that’s right. He’s claiming that the fact that I analyzed the language of the threat means that I wrote it. And posts this as a comment to an article in which Andy Bob … analyzes the language of the threat.

Andy Bob, for his part, is happy to add to all the insinuations:

I have to admit that this thought crossed my mind. All of the lies about Elliot Rodger being a MHRA link back to David Futrelle as the original source.

Huh. Except that I never said he was an MRA, and in face went out of my way in my writings and media appearances to point out that he wasn’t an MRA — just someone who shared a great number of beliefs with MRAs.

If he is heavily invested enough in publicly demonizing the MHRM to fabricate this kind of obvious fraud (E.R. being a MHRA), it isn’t that much of a stretch for him to go one step further and actually fabricate a fake E.R. clone sending threatening emails to maximize his investment.

The only fraud being perpetuated here is by you, dude. Well, you and the Honey Badgers.

He stops just short of accusing me of literally writing  the threatening email.

Then, I wondered why he would take the risk of exposing his act of terrorism by writing what is, essentially, an account of how he went about doing it. Futrelle is too much of a coward, and not quite stupid enough, to be so obvious about committing such a serious crime.

But then, based on nothing more than his own “feels,” he goes on to accuse me of trying to encourage others to write similar threats:

My guess is that he knows the email is a fraud, thinks it is wonderful, and hopes to encourage others to commit similar frauds by offering instructions on how to accomplish them. After all, who knows better than he just how many loony feminists have access to keyboards? …

Futrelle’s post indicates that he is playing a very dangerous game in which he is dancing closer to the abyss of disrepute than ever before.

Yes, the guy who just wrote a post analyzing the language of the threat is accusing me of “playing a dangerous game” by … analyzing the language of the threat.

It’s only a matter of time before he missteps, and falls in, hopefully taking the perennially smirking, and equally appalling, Sarkeesian with him.

Dream on, dude. I’m not going away. She’s not going away. You’re utterly transparent in your insinuations. You have neither logic nor evidence on your side. All your accusations are nothing but ideologically driven fantasies.

But then again, that’s pretty much all the Men’s Rights movement is.

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schwadevivre
6 years ago

“Grizzly’s are ursine” is a bearly accurate sentence.

BTW have people seen Anita Sarkeesian’s tweet about atheists? Found it on Pharyngula
“I find it ironic that self-described “atheist” men are far more hateful and awful towards me online than conservative Christians are”

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Pretentious? Punctuation makes people seem pretentious? Then what does mocking other people’s grammar and punctuation make you?

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Good for her for calling atheist dudes out.

kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

“Grizzly’s are ursine” is a bearly accurate sentence.

ARGH

I saw that Pharyngula article too. Some good comments (along with one or two of the WHOOSH variety).

kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

Lea – as I read it, Daeran’s referring to the deliberate scattering of ellipses in sentences, not just misusing them on occasion. Brought up memories of my own writing at that age!

I don’t think anyone’s figured out the meaning of the MRA two-dot ellipsis, though.

gilshalos
6 years ago

Has anyone here read Barbara Cartland ? If there were more dashes I’d think there was an entire novel in morse hidden in the text!

Kootiepatra
Kootiepatra
6 years ago

@Dennis Jernberg – I don’t think they’re trying to protect the shooter, per se. I think they’re trying to deflect criticism against the whole #GamerGate tag. They have been frequently called out with statements like, “You say this is all about journalism ethics, and you say you don’t condone violence or threats against women, but you are doing literally nothing to stop the hundreds of dudes who are threatening violence against women under your hashtag.”

So now that they have tracked down one harasser — because, of course, that’s totally him, because of course, their detective skills are bulletproof, and of course, that totally addresses the issue — now they think they can claim, “Nuh-uh! See? We do root out the real misogynists in our movement. Now let’s go back to talking about how Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn are literally worse than Hitler.”

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

“Grizzly’s are ursine” is a bearly accurate sentence.

*accidentally snorts coffee*

I haven’t gotten through all of the comments on all of the recent threads the past few days (two kiddos home with strep), but has anyone discussed the complete, “Meh,” indifference of some of the larger gaming community towards death threats in general.

In the comments sections of a few different articles on a few different sites, there were quite a few apologists saying something to the effect of, “So what those chicks got death threats? Everyone gets death threats and rape threats in gaming! If they don’t like it, they should stay the hell out! We’re not going to change our culture for them!”

(These were mostly said in the context of discussions re: an EASY execs statement against harrassment.)

I’m not sure how well I’m going to articulate this, but that’s kind of true. I mean, not that anyone should “get over it” or that it’s an integral part of a “culture”, but it’s how a lot of these dickweeds engage with the world (at least when they have their mask of anonymity).
It’s why I pretty much don’t engage in randomized or skill-matched games – servers are overrun by giant packs of assholes. It (and anonymized online interactions in general) remind me of the Invisible Man (Wells, not Ellison).
It saddens me to think that the real, default mode of a great swaths of humanity is “abusive, potentially violent shithead” – or at perhaps “frightened, ultimately powerless asshole who takes my feelings of raging impotence out on anyone that Insee as vulnerable”.

Fred_the_Dog
6 years ago

But…but…I LIKE ellipses! How else am I gonna indicate a pause? An em dash just doesn’t cut the mustard for me.

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

Ugh, re: autocorrects.

I’m typing this out on my phone while I drink coffee with a 20 pound purr machine in my lap while my youngest watches Sesame Street.

Throw a question mark in there where appropriate. “EA” not “EASY”. “Exec’s” not “execs”.

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

“I see” not “Insee”.

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

Here’s a toddler:
comment image?oh=cb0a959d1194bc1293890d6ad2c902ca&oe=54F61D67&__gda__=1425292864_401bffae463ee4013b044b5d2f11d19d

*idly wonders if that will generate a photo or a massive link*

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

Massive link.

I’ll stop now.

ikanreed
ikanreed
6 years ago

I love this. They go “we’ve objectively got it narrowed down to one person by tangential hypothetical similarities.” “What’s automated authorship attribution?”

Remember when reddit/4chan “found” the Boston bombers? Except they just blamed completely innocent victims of the bombing instead.

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

Fred: I think…it’s more about when…people do something like this…

But I overuse dashes, so I’m not really one to talk.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

In the case of MRAs it’s more the mutant 2, 4, and 5 dot ellipses that are the problem. What do they mean? Are we supposed to read 5 dot ellipses as a meaningful pause that’s almost but not quite twice as long? Or is it meant to be a really emphatic period? We need some kind of decoder ring to figure this shit out, or at least a translator.

Chevrolet
Chevrolet
6 years ago

I use ellipses all the time. Sometimes even the dreaded two dot ellipse to indicate a smaller pause, and more than three dots to mean extra uncertainty. I know it’s wrong, but I don’t really want to stop…

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I cast these demons from thee in the name of the Strunk, the White, and the holy Truss.

vaiyt
6 years ago

“So what those chicks got death threats? Everyone gets death threats and rape threats in gaming! If they don’t like it, they should stay the hell out! We’re not going to change our culture for them!”

And that’s supposed to make them look reasonable?

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Eron Gjoni…spiteful skitebird, or waffling shitweasel? Discuss.

idledillettante
6 years ago

Hey strivingally; thanks for the bump!

I just checked Eron’s twitter (to see if he’s still violating the restraining order.) I found a long convo with Brianna Wu.

Pretty interesting conversation. Gjoni’s a master of the soft sell but Wu doesn’t buy it; also like five angry dudebros chime in constantly, proving her point. At one point Gjoni even tells one “bad timing dude” as the troll reacts angrily to Gjoni’s fake sympathy and contrition.

AbsintheDexterous
6 years ago

Fred: I think…it’s more about when…people do something like this…

proxieme, I TOTALLY read that in a William Shatneresque voice.

jasmine624
jasmine624
6 years ago

Delurking. If Anita had any reason to believe the threat had been faked, she wouldn’t have cancelled the event. If she’d read that and thought, “Aww, one of my fans is giving me a chance to look good! How sweet!” then her response would’ve been, “Look how brave I am, I got this threat and I’m doing this talk anyway.” But it wasn’t, because this shit sounds perfectly credible to someone who spends hours every day reading MRA threats. How ’bout that.

maistrechat
6 years ago

I think part of the ellipses issue has to do with vidya games. There’s an article somewhere by a translator (the guy who did the Mother 3 fan translation whose name escapes me now) where he talks about the use of ellipses in Japanese video games and how it contrasts with traditional English usage. Basically early translators didn’t know what to do with them and left them in and Japanese usage is starting to creep into English, especially amongst people who played too many JRPGs in their formative years.

Re: Gjoni- I have a family member involved in a custody battle with somebody who is behaving like a photocopy of Gjoni here. (But in their case: how do you reconcile shared custody and a restraining order? Answer: get an expensive “Father’s rights” attorney)

I don’t understand it but it seems depressingly common

ceebarks
ceebarks
6 years ago

@Bina One vote for “waffling shitweasel.”

samantha
6 years ago
Reply to  Misha

@Misha:

Thank you SOOOO much for that wonderful url! I sent it to hubby who, along with me, is a grammar lover. I will also send it to my son, who is a linguist. You gave my day a huge smile.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

Dear AbsintheDexterous

You owe me a new touchscreen for the Schatner comment.

Sincerely,
Misha

Also, one more vote for waffling shitweasel.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

samantha :), aw shucks, that means alot.

FunknJunk
FunknJunk
6 years ago

huh, i love the non self-aware, egoic tinge to the argument. ‘The threat has to be fake, because MY hatred doesn’t manifest in this cartoony-villainy sort of way’, kind of a thing. Like much of this stuff, it would be really funny, if not so tragically sad and dangerous….

cloudiah
6 years ago

If you look at the replies to the tweet idledillettante posted, you can see (a) Eron’s response, and (b) some dude raging about how Eron is the real victim here and Brianna and everyone else owes HIM an apology.*

Also, GamerGate is all about ethics:

http://i.imgur.com/wl8bug4.jpg

*I am still wrapping my head around how to talk about the allegations that she was emotionally abusing him, and he had a perfect right to disclose that abuse. Partly because I refuse to read his original post, which supposedly proves that she abused him.

Hellboy
Hellboy
6 years ago

The Latest from Sarkeesian Effect producer and “Investigative Journalist” Jordan Owen on Anita cancelling her speech: “Screw her, not wanting to get shot and stuff!”

http://youtu.be/ra2eKUvhfzM

samantha
6 years ago
Reply to  Misha

@Misha

Oh, you have an alot as well? Lucky you! I, myself, am going to the Giant Furry Pet Store and get me one. 🙂

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Two for waffling shitweasel so far. Anyone for spiteful skitebird?

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I did not watch the Jordan Owen video because I’m on the bus so I don’t know the content. However, it’s rich that he should criticize her since he made that video complaining about how horrible is life is since he wasn’t getting showered with hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations. That’s got to be harder than constant death threats right?

anonny
anonny
6 years ago

@kittehserf, regarding the Mystery of MRA Two-Dot Ellipses,

This happens to me without my meaning it to when I’m typing something and I’m REALLY MAD and I’ve MADE MY POINT and I press down SUPER HARD on the final period..

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

Jordan Owen needs to either cut his hair or condition it. The long, scraggly, dry hair look is not a good one.

samantha
6 years ago
Reply to  sparky

@sparky:

I call misandry on sparky! How DARE you criticize his hair? Do you not realize that criticizing ANY aspect of a man – no matter how stinky, stupid, vile, ugly etc. he is – is just plain wrong headedness?

Sheesh!

(just a tad sarcastic, that)

becausescience
becausescience
6 years ago

@cloudiah: So these people, who claim all the threats against Sarkeesian, Quinn, Wu and others are “false flags” orchestrated by feminists and “SJW”s, despite not being able to provide any proof of these claims whatsoever, are actually the ones openly orchestrating numerous false flag, sockpuppet and astroturf campaigns themselves? I am shocked! Shocked, I say!

Macha
Macha
6 years ago

@Cloudiah
Wow.
“She is doing a false flag operation! Totally! Let’s prove this with a false flag operation – the second one!”

Ah, MRAs.

Kootiepatra
Kootiepatra
6 years ago

@cloudiah – Dat graphic. Further demonstration that MRA/anti-feminists really have no idea whatsoever what any of those buzzwords mean. Nor do they have any idea how bogglingly transparent their sockpuppets are.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

@ Sparky

He has roadie hair. There’s really no excuse for that unless you are currently carrying an amplifier.

Skye
Skye
6 years ago

Has anyone heard an actual feminist or womanist use “cis scum” as a real insult? It seems I’ve only heard it when some MRA/MRA adjacent type complains about “SJW going overboard” or some such

SittieKitty
6 years ago

Ha, using too many ellipses actually annoys the crap out of me as a writer. It’s such bad grammar. There are so few reasons to actually use them. Not saying they’re never useful but yea, I often get annoyed by them since a writing partner of mine uses them ALL THE TIME and it’s to varying lengths and I get to go through and edit everything afterward. But that might be my own little pet peeve lol. I think the double thing is because they just don’t pay attention, or don’t know that they ought to have three? I often see it when people are typing fast and not paying attention.

Skye, I hate to say I have, but a long time ago when it was first really being used as DCS. Since then though, I don’t have people around me who use it. My uh, group(?), had a big conversation about it and decided not to use it because it was literally only used in that context and myself and a few others had a serious issue with the violence of that rhetoric more than anything else. I’ve only ever seen it used as something that MRAs and manosphere people latched onto after that. The guys are like dogs with bones. Once they hear one thing that might potentially make feminists (of some stripe because all feminists are exactly the same donchaknow) look bad they latch on and never ever let go.

And now I feel bad for dogs for comparing them to the MRM 🙁 I shall go pet a puppy to make up for it.

cloudiah
6 years ago

:: waves at SittieKitty ::

SittieKitty
6 years ago

Hi cloudiah! I’ve honestly missed everyone here. ^.^ Y’all are so nice.

lacerta viridis
6 years ago

@Skye I think back in the day a few trans people said it sort of semi-seriously, in a ‘yes I want cis people to be scared of me, since I have to be scared of them’ kind of way? I don’t know that they particularly identified as feminists or womanists, iirc the focus was very much on trans activism more than feminism. Since then for some reason it’s been massively latched onto by more or less anyone who wants to make fun of ~social justice warriors~ or pretend (badly) to be one. Which is weird, because it doesn’t really make much sense when said by a cis person/outside the context of specifically trans-related issues, but seems to get shoved into everything anyway…

Actually, thinking about it, every attempt I’ve ever seen at false-flag stuff or trolling by anti-SJ/antifeminist types has been really, really badly and clumsily done. I mean, would it kill them to lurk a little more and get a feel for what words and phrases are actually used, and how? Or would that be unthinkable since it might involve actually paying attention to something a woman says?

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: cassandrakitty

Moral Combat sounds like it involves clerics from multiple different religions chucking educational pamplets at each other.

Mormon vs. Jehovah’s Witness! And… FIGHT!

RE: Skye

*sigh* I actually know more about the ‘cis scum’ thing. It became a thing among tumblr trans folks, and was started by a trans person who has been violently assaulted multiple times for being trans, so basically took on ‘die cis scum’ as a way of, “See? Doesn’t feel good, does it? Now imagine living that 24/7 and getting that from EVERYBODY.”

Except then people took it and ran with it and it completely exploded into this memebeast and uuuuugh.

I myself never really cared for the term, but it wasn’t my term to use in the first place, since I’ve yet to be physically assaulted by strangers on account of my transness. (All the rape and sexual assault and harassment were by friends, partners, and family.) I also had an interesting conversation with a multi system I know with a black trans body, where they said their beef with the term was that it could ONLY be used basically by people with enough privilege not to get fucking murdered for it. Having a black body, they were positive they could not say something like that.

I also know a trans guy who really latched onto it and was talking about getting it on a jacket. But um, I was never comfortable with it. He hasn’t talked about that for a couple years and I’m honestly glad because it just made me very uncomfortable.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

“Cis scum” and associated terms are pretty common on Tumblr, which is where social justice movements go to die, or at least to become horrible, embarrassing parodies of themselves. FWIW, I don’t think anyone from any movement should be going around saying “die X scum”, and I will go out of my way to avoid the people who do.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

*sighs, rubs temples* Yeah, tumblr is where a bunch of people learned half-assed social justice intersectional theory, and then tried to hit absolutely every issue ever with it. I have seen some great things on there, but the interface is so awful for any sort of discussion; I really wish the great SJ movement of the Internet had taken place SOMEWHERE FUCKING ELSE. Somewhere where conversations aren’t like trying to have a philosophical debate outside on sticky notes during a windy day. Unless you download something instantly, you ain’t never finding that shit again!

(This is also why I don’t follow many tumblrs, and most of them are friends and fellow artists who mostly post about art and comics. I just don’t have the mental energy for the righteous rage a lot of tumblr seems to encourage.)