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A Voice for Men offers proof that it was a feminist who threatened Anita Sarkeesian. Minus the proof.

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“Andy Bob” of A Voice for Men has decided that the recent threats against Anita Sarkeesian are fake because … they’re too melodramatic.

In a rather remarkable bit of logicking titled “Anonymous feminist provides Anita Sarkeesian with a potential new source of revenue,” Andy Bob quotes this line from the threat email:

“Feminists have ruined my life and I will have my revenge, for my sake and the sake of all the others they’ve wronged.”

And adds:

The only thing missing is the swish of “his” cape as he exits, stage left, with his “semi-automatic rifle, multiple pistols, and a collection of pipe bombs” cunningly concealed beneath “his” jauntily angled fedora.

Huh. You may recall that the most famous person to publicly declare that “feminists have ruined my life”– that is, Marc Lepine — followed that declaration with a shooting spree that left 14 women dead.

You may also remember a certain fellow named Elliot Rodger, who announced his shooting spree this spring with a video in which he, for all intents and purposes, did his best impersonation of a comic book supervillain, complete with evil laughs. Railing against the “girls” who committed the horrible injustice of not dating him, he declared in his final video that

I will punish all of you for it. (laughs)

On the day of retribution I am going to enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB… and I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut I see inside there. …

I will take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you.

You will finally see that I am in truth the superior one. The true alpha male. (laughs)

The fact is that mass killers often have grandiose visions of themselves as avenging angels/devils, and see the world in stark black and white terms.

I have no idea if the latest threats against Sarkeesian are “real,” or if they’re the work of some sadistic asshole trying to terrorize her into silence with words, or whether they were written by her cat, but the fact that these words are melodramatic is hardly proof that they weren’t meant sincerely.

The “if it’s melodramatic it’s fake” argument is also a highly, well, ironic one to make in an online publication that’s home to some of the most melodramatic writing this side of a #GamerGate manifesto.

Here, for example, is John Hembling, then the managing editor of AVFM, writing about the efforts of feminists to get Facebook to take down gender-based hate speech (whether directed at women or men):

They are not simply adherents of an ideology of hatred and violence, wrapping itself in the increasingly transparent veneer of false and pious humanism. … They are fascists, and if you support their cause, that of censorship, you may be a fascist as well.

And here is an actual sentence from an AVFM post by August Løvenskiolds:

Cunt-power is cunning but every now and then, it peeks through the veil to expose a fetid maw of endless hunger and hatred.

So, yeah, Men’s Rights activists in general, and AVFMers in particular, are not exactly strangers to melodrama.

But Andy Bob evidently never reads the publication he is writing for, as he goes on to, er, argue:

There is no doubt whatsoever that this email was written by a feminist posing as an MHRA. The entirely fictitious character, who is supposed to have written it, conforms so closely to the feminist mischaracterization of MHRAs as dangerously violent psychopaths who dream of brutally silencing women that it could only have been written by someone whose goal was to maintain and embellish this outrageously slanderous threat narrative.

Yeah, it’s not as if MRAs and #GamerGaters ever present themselves in a menacing manner.

The character created as the author of the email is an artful pastiche of those mythical MHRAs, Elliot Rodger and Marc Lépine, neither of whom had any connection with known MHR organizations, despite fraudulent feminist claims to the contrary. …

The feminist author promises to “write my manifesto in her spilled blood” in order to raise the spectre of Rodger, who wrote a lengthy manifesto that primarily detailed his inability to get laid and revealed that he was the kind of sad and crazy pussy-beggar who would probably have been persona non grata in the MHRM had he ever attempted to gain entry—which he never did.

Given that Lepine lived and died long before there even was an Men’s Rights movement, it seems a bit weird to brag that he wasn’t a member of any “known MHR organizations.”

And while Elliot Rodger didn’t, as far as I know, identify as a Men’s Rights activist, he was a reader of and a commenter on PUAhate, a website connected to regular A Voice for Men contributor Jalon Cain (aka “Aaron Sleazy”), who volunteered as a moderator on the site and promoted it on his own site. Both Lepine and Rodger shared many of the beliefs of the current Men’s Rights movement.

Even more to the point, there’s no logic to Andy Bob’s argument. The fact that neither Lepine nor Rodger were card-carrying MRAs doesn’t prove that the author of the latest threats isn’t an MRA. Nor does it prove that the writer of the threats is a feminist. These are logic fails as big as Paul Elam’s ego.

The “MHRM produces crazed murderers who target women” threat narrative has been so closely observed throughout the text of the email that it could only have been written by someone who assisted in its construction. Two of the reasons why feminists posing as MHRAs are so easy to detect are the style of language they employ and the fact that their purported representation of MHRAs has the unmistakable tone of caricature that frequently devolves into the realm of pantomime.

Well, aside from the fact that the writer actually used a lot of specific phrases that are used often, and in one case almost exclusively, by MRAs.

“Anita Sarkeesian is everything wrong with the feminist woman, and she is going to die screaming like the craven little whore that she is if you let her come to USU.”

Really? And her little dog too?

This statement sounds more like it came from Snow White’s wicked stepmother as she raises a Sarkeesianesque eyebrow in envious rage than a real-life psycho.

Or from Elliot Rodger — who gleefully announced that “I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” he saw, before attempting to do just that.

There isn’t the slightest hint of articulated performance in the glib and terrifying words of genuinely deranged psychopaths like Elliot Rodger and Marc Lépine.

Apparently Andy Bob never watched Elliot Rodger’s extravagantly melodramatic final video.

The only question that remains is: Who has a history of making death threats via emails to venues hosting talks on potentially contentious issues and has a vested interest in publicly demonizing the MHRM by maintaining a false threat narrative through attempted character assassination and misrepresenting everything we stand for?

Could it be …. Satan?

Well, no. He means AVFM’s version of Satan: Feminists — as the title of his post proclaims even more categorically.

Of course, A Voice for Men has never offered proof that any of the alleged threats made against its conference came from feminists. Or that these threats even existed. Indeed, even while AVFM was raising literally tens of thousands of dollars for “security,” the site’s lawyers were accusing the Doubletree Hilton hotel of faking the threats for money. Indeed, in the comments on AVFM, Andy Bob himself sneered at the Doubletree employee that Elam suggested might have faked the threats. But now Andy Bob has conveniently changed his mind and is presenting the alleged threats against AVFM as real. The irony meter level here is over 9000.

Several of the commenters to Andy Bob’s post go on to accuse … me of writing the threats.

 Bryan Scandrett Andybob • 18 hours ago  Maybe I'm stuck in some MRA group think vortex here but a brief scan of that article flags Futrelle as a person of interest as author of the threat. Looks a lot like someone over working a frame up, trying to lead the law to the "crims" he wants punished.  "I went through the email – the full text of which I found in this Pastebin – cutting and pasting some of its more memorable phrases into Google to see just where – if anywhere – these phrases showed up online. And I found that quite a few of them are phrases that are used almost nowhere else but in the misogynistic subcultures I write about on this blog – specifically, in the Men’s Rights and “Game” subcultures. This is someone, like Elliot Rodger before him, who has been reading if not actively participating in these subcultures"  Google misandrist harpies and mostly you get Anita and David. In 50+ yrs of this shit I don't recall ever seeing those two words put together.Huh.

 Paul Bryan Scandrett • 12 hours ago  They should definitely examine his search history to see *when* he did those searches.  Is examining the email in such detail the internet equivalent of returning to the scene of the crime?Yes, that’s right. He’s claiming that the fact that I analyzed the language of the threat means that I wrote it. And posts this as a comment to an article in which Andy Bob … analyzes the language of the threat.

Andy Bob, for his part, is happy to add to all the insinuations:

I have to admit that this thought crossed my mind. All of the lies about Elliot Rodger being a MHRA link back to David Futrelle as the original source.

Huh. Except that I never said he was an MRA, and in face went out of my way in my writings and media appearances to point out that he wasn’t an MRA — just someone who shared a great number of beliefs with MRAs.

If he is heavily invested enough in publicly demonizing the MHRM to fabricate this kind of obvious fraud (E.R. being a MHRA), it isn’t that much of a stretch for him to go one step further and actually fabricate a fake E.R. clone sending threatening emails to maximize his investment.

The only fraud being perpetuated here is by you, dude. Well, you and the Honey Badgers.

He stops just short of accusing me of literally writing  the threatening email.

Then, I wondered why he would take the risk of exposing his act of terrorism by writing what is, essentially, an account of how he went about doing it. Futrelle is too much of a coward, and not quite stupid enough, to be so obvious about committing such a serious crime.

But then, based on nothing more than his own “feels,” he goes on to accuse me of trying to encourage others to write similar threats:

My guess is that he knows the email is a fraud, thinks it is wonderful, and hopes to encourage others to commit similar frauds by offering instructions on how to accomplish them. After all, who knows better than he just how many loony feminists have access to keyboards? …

Futrelle’s post indicates that he is playing a very dangerous game in which he is dancing closer to the abyss of disrepute than ever before.

Yes, the guy who just wrote a post analyzing the language of the threat is accusing me of “playing a dangerous game” by … analyzing the language of the threat.

It’s only a matter of time before he missteps, and falls in, hopefully taking the perennially smirking, and equally appalling, Sarkeesian with him.

Dream on, dude. I’m not going away. She’s not going away. You’re utterly transparent in your insinuations. You have neither logic nor evidence on your side. All your accusations are nothing but ideologically driven fantasies.

But then again, that’s pretty much all the Men’s Rights movement is.

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Bina
Bina
6 years ago

WTF is a “disrespectful nod”, anyway? Is it one where you also flip the bird?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

There are cultures in which kind of flicking your chin upwards in someone’s direction is a bit of a fuck you? Other than that I got nothing.

genedaniell3
genedaniell3
6 years ago

The 25 targets were all over the country — the idea being that it would look like the entire country was under attack.

GrumpyOldMan
6 years ago

And how did the word logic ever get into this particular discussion?

M. Tremblay
M. Tremblay
6 years ago

Huh. If Andy Bob thinks the email threat is too melodramatic to be true, I wonder what he would think of Elliot Rodger’s manifesto. I actually read it (I really should get a life, I know ????) and I had to take breaks not because he was such a horrible person (which he was, don’t get me wrong) but because the sound of the world’s tiniest violin was just too deafening. “First world problems” didn’t even begin to describe it…

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: cassandrakitty

Heh. Where I grew up, that was how to acknowledge someone’s existence in a dudely way, because waving was for dweebs or something.

RAL
RAL
6 years ago

Proof?
But, but….. evidence is misandry!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I’m so manly that my wrists don’t even flex, I am. Look, totally immobile hands like a Ken doll!

(rolls eyes)

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: cassandrakitty

IT IS SAD BUT IT IS TRUE. *does Ken Robot dance*

banned@4chan.org
banned@4chan.org
6 years ago

4chan user here. I have a weird question tangentially related to this heavy analysis of language both Futrelle and the MRAs are going through.

A couple of times I’ve seen the acronym BTFO, which seems to stand for Blown The Fuck Out. Some of these were on 4chan and 8chan GamerGate threads, and at least one was on an advertisement for a 4chan “alternative” (one that boasted how it wouldn’t ban pedophiles or block their content). The very first time I saw this phrase though, was in one of Futrelle’s quotes of some pickup artist.

Is “blowing out,” in the context of trying to offer some sort of witty retort, specifically an MRA term? Or is it more universal (as universal as nerd terminology gets)? I’m not the uber-nerd I was a couple years ago, so new terms can easily catch me by surprise.

YoullNeverGuess
6 years ago

David: didn’t Elam eventually release some police record numbers? I have less than zero respect for AVFM, but that would suggest that they had some proof that the threats were real, or at least that they reported something to the police. It was all vague and shady, so I’m not sure where that ended up, but these guys thrive on rumor and innuendo. This needs to be fought with maximum clarity and accuracy.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

Big red apple. Cute little kitten. Pink fluffy mittens. Giant angry T-rex.

Giant fluffy T-rex…comment image?w=474&h=211
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EgjbkjxAKds/TOI9gMXDjBI/AAAAAAAABHU/XkwTtLHyFgE/s640/noooooooooooo-full.jpg
Their stupid burns…I needed brain bleach…

vaiyt
6 years ago

It’s hard to imagine that Elam would not trumpet out his smoking gun for the world to see if he had one, considering he routinely fabricates smoking guns from whatever he can project his innuendo onto.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: banned

Huh. I’ve never seen BTFO before, but my intial thought was it stood for “Back the Fuck Off.” But what do I know?

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

Urban Dictionary: Dec 06, 2013 · Acronym which stands for “blown the fuck out.” Generally used to refer to a sports team that loses to another by a large margin.
Google is your friend.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

You would think the MRAs would be thrilled and delighted that they have finally made the nightly news, but nooooo, now they are going to pretend their don’t have a motto about effing feminists shit up.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

You know, this seems a good time to link a sketch one of my friends made:

http://38.media.tumblr.com/c95cf8b91d69d041478620ea5f13df20/tumblr_ndibgef91K1qlfybwo1_400.jpg

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Er, you want to click the link for more context, trust me.

Michael Lindsay
6 years ago

Gamergaters are shouting at me that they’ve caught the culprit themselves and his name is Mateus Prado Sousa. They sent me one of this enormous jpgs which looks like the bedroom wall of the guy in A Beautiful Mind. Have a peek, but only if you aren’t worried that the disjointed thinking is somehow contagious-it’s a bit like reading the Necromonicon, you can almost feel your sanity starting to slip away.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/847/992/963.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hHW79Wx.jpg

To say I take their claims with a grain of salt would be putting it mildly.

barcelonaguirigirl
barcelonaguirigirl
6 years ago

Ok, I strongly suggest we start playing a game any time there is a case where the MRA’s are (allegedly, lol) involved with pure, hateful insanity. We all try to guess how they will spin it into something that the feminists had planned in their secret lair. I truly believe this will provide hours of entertainment, and we can probably get pretty close.

banned@4chan.org
banned@4chan.org
6 years ago

@Michael Lindsay
I am so god damned tired of those infographics that don’t actually prove what they claim to prove.

If anything, those graphics prove Sousa can’t be the guy who chased her out of GGC, since the grammar in that death threat is less awkward than the grammar in his many many death threats.

vbillings
6 years ago

The only way I can describe this is insane troll logic. (Also hi. New here. Sort of. Been lurking. 🙂 )

becausescience
becausescience
6 years ago

MRA: “OW! I STUBBED MY TOE! I BET THE FEMINISTS WERE BEHIND THIS!!”

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Can we stop with using insanity and other mental disorder/disease words as insults? Please?

Michael Lindsay
6 years ago

@banned@4chan.org I’m not promoting it. I think the jpg’s prove exactly zip and if anything are just more fuel for twitter witch hunts. I only posted it because it illustrates the sort of disjointed logic gamergaters use.

@ pallygirl fair point, I won’t.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

Our local weekly (East Bay Express) had a cover story this week – “Moral Combat”, about GamerGate et alia. They came down on the side of truth and beauty, so I imagine they’ll be getting a flood of vitriol in comments.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

Sousa probably sounds so weird because English isn’t his first language???

…Presumably, he’d sound like a more intellectual and fluent axe murderer if he was a better English speaker…
…Rather than the semi-literate axe murderer he does succeed in sounding like…

No denigration meant to the semi-literate, but you axe-murderers reading this, you’re on your own…

Dennis Jernberg (@dennis_jernberg)

Ah, it’s AVFM again, climbing deeper up their own asses than they ever have before, and dog knows how hard they’ve tried. The energy of evasion is overwhelming. Is this Andy Bob guy still alive, or did he logic his head so far up his rectum it got stuck and he suffocated?

@Michael: A barrel of salt is more like it. It looks like the #Gits are trying to protect the shooter by redirecting the wrath of hell onto a random target who just happens to be a game journalist, conveniently foreign. They were saying this was about, uh, journalistic ethics?

Michael Lindsay
6 years ago

@Dennis Jernberg (@dennis_jernberg)

Someone really needs to make an app that translates GG speak into English. Type in “journalistic ethics” and it spits out “stop saying mean things about us and stop talking about feminism-also Zoe Quinn is Satan”

vaiyt
6 years ago

“Moral Combat”

Which was also the name of a fundy-produced docummentary about violence in video games. Today, I find the irony delicious.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Moral Combat sounds like it involves clerics from multiple different religions chucking educational pamplets at each other.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

@cassandra pmsl

mildlymagnificent
6 years ago

Welcome package for any newbies delurking. (Can’t remember if I saw one on this thread.)

http://artistryforfeminismandkittens.wordpress.com/the-official-man-boobz-complimentary-welcome-package/

Check especially for the discussion on ableist language. That’s for help, the rest is for fun.

strivingally
6 years ago

Just so you know Eron Gjoni (Zoe Quinn’s ex who kicked this shitstorm off) has a newfound committment to respecting women and their right to- oh no, wait:

https://twitter.com/NotAllBhas/status/522824179079335937

(for those who haven’t read it, the top bit is from a Buzzfeed article just published about him – compare and contrast the contrite tone from the puff piece with the dismissive curtness towards the idea of abiding by a fucking restraining order)

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Wait, he’s also refusing to obey a restraining order? Real gem, that guy.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

“As this giant harassment campaign against women filled with all sorts of death threats. On the ground the movement isn’t barely like that”.

Shut up Eron Gjoni.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Barely, that’s an interesting choice of words. I mean, it is like that, but only barely!

strivingally
6 years ago

@ck:

Yup. WHTM’s own idledilletante wrote a great blog post talking about it. 🙂 From that post:

Even when told through the lens of someone with no desire to represent Quinn fairly, her desire to be left the fuck alone sounds eminently reasonable. And since the the problematic behavior Eron engages in the most is remorselessly stirring the pot of angry Redditors and 4channers who want to rape her to death a gag clause seems reasonable too. That’s because Gjoni’s inalienable right to write whatever the hell he wants (i.e. freedom of expression) is curtailed by his ex’s inalienable right to live her life without being pilloried, threatened, and harassed by Eron’s internet friends.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

It’s the grammar fail I can’t stop staring at and playing with, like strange word lego. “barely isn’t like that”, “isn’t barely like that”, “that barely isn’t like”.

Ooh, brains. Gone.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

You might even say that it’s barely like an actual sentence.

kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

It’s like a barely actual sentence.

Barely an actual sentence, it is.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

Entitled douchecakes and shoddy sentence structure, tends to happen alot

Misha
Misha
6 years ago
cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Barely, the sentence is…..actually?

MRA punctuation is the hardest part. It’s keeping track of the ever-evolving ellipses that’s the trouble.

Skye
Skye
6 years ago

So Eron Gjoni is a complete douche. Not that I had any doubts on that score. I do find it interesting that knowing all the women who’ve been doxxed and/or chased from their homes, he can’t even bring himself to say, however insincerely, that he would’ve done anything different.

ej
ej
6 years ago

“Isn’t barely like that.”
Wouldn’t that actually mean that the movement is very much like that? The “isn’t” would cancel out the barely. So he is, in fact, making a true statement about the movement.

“Because it’s for the best”
*shivers* Yes, because threatening to harm others is always for the best. If he said this in reference to journalistic integrity, that would be fine…if the movement were doing anything to promote or improve ethics in journalism.

ej
ej
6 years ago

Just to clarify, I mean that I would be fine with the “for the best comment” if they were actually pursuing journalistic integrity and not harassing women.

strivingally
6 years ago

@ej:

Leigh Alexander, one of the GG targets, actually made <a list of things GamerGate could target if they actually gave a shit about corruption and ethics in the gaming industry (things like military influence on studios, Apple refusing to sell games that criticize sweatshop conditions similar to the ones used to make their phones, the horrible way games company employees are treated, etc). Not a single one has been addressed by the movement.

But hey! They raised $4k for an anti-bullying charity so they must be alright, right? (sarcasm: they raised money for TFYC too – but purely to spite Zoe Quinn)

Daeran Zemaitis
Daeran Zemaitis
6 years ago

I know a lot of people (spoiler: i used to be one of those people in high school), who use ellipses a LOT to try to make their banal thought seem thoughtful or give off an air of mystery and intrigue. Most people see it as pretentious though.