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#GamerGate activist: Media coverage of death threats against Brianna Wu means "they're now taking us seriously."

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The screencap above shows a discussion on the still-active #burgersandfries IRC channel about the media coverage of the recent death threats directed at indie game devveloper Brianna Wu.

Apparently any publicity is good publicity, even if your “movement” is getting media attention for being the likely source of death threats against a female developer.

Before some stray GamerGater comes by to inist that this guy “isn’t really a #GamerGater because that’s on IRC,” this seems to be the guy’s Twitter account. As you can see, @Thidran regularly Tweets and retweets comments using the #GamerGate tag or the abbreviation GG; he’s also obsessed with Zoe Quinn. BUT IT’S NOT ABOUT HER WE’VE ALL MOVED PAST THAT.

H/T — r/GamerGhazi for the screencap.

 

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Johanna Roberts
6 years ago

Why aren’t they gone yet? I’m so ready for them to never darken existence again.

andrea harris
6 years ago

I don’t think whoever sent those death threats will like being “taken seriously” by the police if they are found out.

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

If by “taking seriously” he means “thinking they’re a bag of assholes,” then sure.

I’m so over this shit. I really would like to send these petulant manbabies to bed with no Cheetos, and no games for a month. Grounded.

kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

They’re very upset with Scalzi for calling them out and mocking them (pineapplepizzagate!).

jbgarner58
6 years ago

Reblogged this on J. B. Garner – Musings of a Starving Author and commented:
These guys are sick. Spread the word and do what you can to fight against this thing.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

What a sack of dickbutts these guys are.

*waits for someone to show up saying it’s a false flag operation*

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

“Taking us seriously”? Yeah, dude, the media is totally doing that. They’re taking you seriously as a loosely organized TERRORIST GROUP, you fucking moron.

Dennis Jernberg (@dennis_jernberg)

What they really want is for Fox News to jump on their bandwagon. They want their spew coming out of the mouths of Gretchen Carlson and Megyn Kelly, or better yet Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity. If the GamerGaters make it on Fox, especially appear in person to spread their meme, they’re made.

This of course is what the MRM’s been angling for all along. As the big conservative media outlet, Fox News means legitimacy i.e. official approval by the US GOP. At the very least, they want to get retweeted by @RushLimbaugh and @GlennBeck to their legions of dittoheads.

Which last point gets me wondering: why haven’t they used the #tcot (“Top Conservatives On Twitter”) hashtag yet?

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
6 years ago

@Dennis
Even the Daily Mail didn’t fall for the gaters crap, theres no real way to know if Fox would

strivingally
6 years ago

Oh for fuck’s sake.

“Taking us seriously” = “acknowledging our presence because we’re too reprehensible to ignore”

The news would “take you seriously” if you shat on the floor in the middle of a White House tour as well. That’s not an endorsement.

ktrantingredhead
6 years ago

I hope people take them very seriously… As terroeists and rapists and murderers. Then they can get locked up and they won’t be a problem anymore. ????

Jenny (@dontgiveah00t)

@Dennis Jernberg – you could be right. The vast majority of MRMs and PUAs are in fact right-leaning (if I remember the stats correctly) so they may well want a right-oriented network like Fox to verify them.

Mnemosyne
Mnemosyne
6 years ago

When will this horrible thing be over? It’s gone on for far too long now.

Binjabreel
6 years ago

So I guess I’m declaring a personal victory since all the GamerGaters on my twitter feed have gone quiet. The best was one of them had retweeted a missive from whoever’s in charge (and it’s definitely only a few people- all the retweets of orders and calls were Effin identical) that “if you see someone being harassed who’s not a white male, you should step in.”

Seriously, everything wrong with their worldview can be unpacked from that statement.

ququasar
6 years ago

Question…

What exactly has gamergate (ie. people acting under the gamergate label) achieved? Things I’m aware of…

– They’ve managed to get Intel to pull their ads from Gamasutra. Okay, so chalk up 1 petty act of revenge against someone who published a mean article against them.

– They’ve successfully driven two indie game developers and one critic from their homes with death and rape threats. So there’s three acts of blatently evil dumbassery against people who had done nothing wrong.

– They’ve turned the media against them and done their best to turn “gamer” into a synonym for “petulant misogynistic man-baby”. So add an act of idiotic self-harm to the column.

Surely I’m missing something. Surely there has to be more to the ‘movement’ than this.

Have they actually *done* anything in anyway related to uncovering the corrupt collusion between indie developers and journalists they supposedly rail so hard against?*

*footnote: (speaking as an indie game developer myself: pfffhaaaahahahahah. Indies suck at marketing ourselves and have no money for bribes, and journalists are way too busy to go digging through the piles of indie games for the good ones. They couldn’t have picked two more unlikely groups for their conspiracy theory)

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

“Even the Daily Mail didn’t fall for the gaters crap, theres no real way to know if Fox would”

Considering that Fox News featured/features birthers, BENGHAZI!!!11one, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, this ridiculous rant…

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/when-fox-becomes-conspiracy-theory-central

… And literally went to court for the right to lie and call it “News” (and won), I’m sure that they’ll welcome this with open butts.

Jay Elmore
6 years ago

ququasar:
“Zoe Quinn slept with guys in order to get positive coverage of her work!?*” GGers get out the torches and pitchforks. (Actually, I think ZQ might prefer torches and pitchforks to the treatment she’s getting.)

“A PR company tried to dictate the coverage of Shadows of Mordor to journalists and bloggers who got advanced copies are being paid to promote the game!?” [no response because GGers were at Gamestop for the midnight launch]

strivingally
6 years ago

@ququasar:

I’m pretty convinced that the majority of these guys have NO IDEA how the games industry works. They think a mailing list is evidence of controlling the media (as opposed to, say, a way to inform interested people about current events), they seem to think people who spend all their time working in an industry should not have friendships or relationships in that industry, and they don’t understand that indie devs have to WORK THEIR ARSES OFF to get noticed among the masses, especially since “early access” has become a green light for community involvement from the alpha stage onwards.

Oh, and they don’t think women who have had to put up with shit for years to gain a foothold in the industry deserve to be there.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Wait, I hadn’t noticed that before. They think that PR emails (for which the companies doing the PR compile lists, or purchase them) are evidence of a conspiracy?

I have more than 13000 unopened emails in my inbox, most of which are PR crap that for whatever reason I didn’t think was relevant to any of the publications I work for. Again – this is just the stuff I ignored and never got around to deleting, or saved just in case I might need it later. Every journalist gets a shitload of PR emails, especially if they cover anything entertainment-related. How else do they expect journalists to know what’s about to be released/has just been released, or the companies releasing the stuff to get the media to notice that they have something new coming out? How many new games come out every month? Nobody could possibly keep up with all of them unless the information was sent directly to them in easily digestible form, and the people producing the games want them to be reviewed or at least mentioned so that consumers will know they exist, because if nobody knows they exist nobody will buy them. How is this process supposed to work without mailing lists?

Bogdan Cvetkovic
6 years ago

@strivingally, like the MRAs and other people in the “angry white male” crowd, they tend to be pretty sheltered.

deutschefolkhero
deutschefolkhero
6 years ago

He’s also massively obsessed with Something Awful. He literally thinks Silverstring and the game journos and even MSNBC are “the beginner’s fight”
Who is the true final boss you ask? He thinks Something Awful engineered this ENTIRE THING from the start because Zoe is a goon and comes from FYAD and is friends with Mittani. Yeah, she has a ancient post about wanting to make everyone pitch a fit about games big enough to get the FBI involved, typical goon shit, but Anita and now Wu have contrib’d far more to that. So if that was her original intent, she failed with her contributions.
If anyone deserves the honour, it’s Leigh/Kuchera for the big multi-article push. (plus she seems to have not been expecting such a ginormous shitstorm on the side)

also ququasar you forgot about Jenn Frank

kon
kon
6 years ago

Havent the hastag/user GGfeminist been exposed as a hooax a while ago?

tinyorc
6 years ago

I keep trying to write post about GamerGate, but those damn goalposts just will not stay in one place long enough. Trying to actually engage with anything concrete goes something like this.

“The harassment of Zoe Quinn…”

“THIS ISN’T ABOUT ZOE QUINN!!!”

“And Anita Sarkeesian…”

“THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANITA. DO NOT ENGAGE.”

“OK, well the harassment of women in the games industry…”

“OMG FALSE FLAG. WE ARE ANTI-HARASSMENT!!!”

“Ok, well the games industry overall has an under-representation of women and minorities…”

“#NOTYOURSHIELD”

“Ok, well what do you stand for?”

“JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY!”

“Which is why you have a corrupt journalistic championing your cause?”

“MILO DOESN’T SPEAK FOR US!”

“OK, well who are the leaders of your movement?”

“WE ARE A LEADERLESS MOVEMENT!”

“OK, we do you have a manifesto?”

“YES IT’S HERE!”

“Well this manifesto…”

“NO WAIT THIS IS OUR MANIFESTO.”

“Well, this manifesto…”

“NO EVIDENCE THAT MANIFESTO REPRESENTS #GAMERGATE.”

“Well then what exactly are you fighting for?”

“We transparency and ethics! We want non-gamer academics out of gaming!”

“You mean like former philosophy professor Christina Hoff Sommers?”

“… JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY!”

“OK, so who are your main ideological opponents?”

“…ZOE QUINN SLEPT WITH FIVE GUYS AND ANITA SARKEESIAN STOLE EVERYONE’S MONEY.”

Shaenon
6 years ago

Hey, remember back in January when a (male) gaming journalist offered sex to a (female) developer in exchange for information? And this wasn’t hearsay from a vengeful ex posting bullshit to 4chan, it was a screencapped conversation where he proposed, in gynecological detail, an honest to God sex-for-info exchange.

http://eluminarts.com//journalism!.png

When that happened, gamebros across the Internet rose up to decry this evidence of corruption in games journalism.

Oh, wait, no. They mostly criticized the developer for her response while turning him down, because what if he had The Asperger’s and had no idea it was inappropriate to tell industry contacts all about his penis? Oddly, the issue of journalistic integrity never came up at all.

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

Shaenon, wow that’s disgusting

RAL
RAL
6 years ago

I would to see the expressions on their faces when the SWAT teams come through their doors and windows at 5am

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

Maybe I feel optimistic today, but I don’t even think it would be that bad if they make it to Fox news. I don’t have any expectations whatsoever in Fox’s “journalistic integrity” and we know already they’re racist and sexist and conservative-libertarian as fuck, so it’s not like it would be below them.
But giving a platform to these obviously absurd arguments would be almost funny and even could alienate some of their viewers…
(also it would be really entertaining to see the GGers try to articulate a single criticism to ‘journalism’ that doesn’t apply to Fox, and Fox to to frame a news story without an evil imminent threat other than mostly white educated ladies writing games and speaking on youtube and twitter)

strivingally
6 years ago

Oh that’s priceless, Shaenon. Yet more proof that “collusion” only matters when it’s someone GamerGaters already want to hate, and that they’ll almost always find the woman at fault regardless of the situation.

Hyatt
Hyatt
6 years ago

@Shaenon, I’d tell you to give that to any GGers you know, but I have the sad feeling that it would just float around a bit and disappear, not become a central, oft-repeated example of corruption like ZQ has. If they’d even circulate it for you, and not tell you to do it yourself because it’s not their responsibility.

strivingally
6 years ago

@tinyorc:

I keep trying to write post about GamerGate, but those damn goalposts just will not stay in one place long enough.

QFT. There seems to be a feeling that if they just SAY they’re nice loud enough, that all the bad stuff that’s happened as part of GG will just go away somehow. Problem with that is that as someone’s already said in a blog somewhere, by definition GamerGate is whatever someone does in the name of GamerGate, and that includes the harmful stuff.

The Underpants Gnomes had a more solid plan for achieving their purported aims than GamerGate.

Step 1: wreck shit
Step 2: ???
Step 3: JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY

Fibinachi
6 years ago

You know, I had heard the old joke that: “In conversation with beautiful people, 99 % of what most men say boil down to: “Hey, how ’bout some dick?” but I didn’t actually think I’d ever see an honest to god actual example of that, in print form.

Thank you Shaenon. That was enlightening.

tinyorc
6 years ago

Also, did we all see that #GamerGate* brigaded a survey on diversity in gaming? Social researcher Jennifer Allaway was trying to collect actual data on whether diversity in game content is important to players, containing such clearly biased questions such as “Describe your racial identity” and “How many years have you work in the game industry?”

Instead of making sure that GamerGate were represented in the study by, you know, encouraging each other to fill it out honestly, they flooded it with disingenuous, sexist, threatening answers in order to “contaminate the data”. Allaway herself said:

Had #Gamergate participated in my survey honestly, as a researcher, I would gladly have taken their data. After all, I recognize that they play games, and to exclude their data purely on the grounds of our moral disagreement would be unethical. They would have added a layer of diverse opinions to the data set.

But hey, why participate honestly in a legitimate academic study when you can sabotage it instead, right guys? INTEGRITY! TRANSPARENCY! NO AGENDAS! Ququasar, you can add this to your list of GamerGate achievements.

*Or, sorry, people who claim to be part of #GamerGate, posting on 8chan, which is currently acting as the primary GG base #NOTALLGAMERS etc.

Wetherby
Wetherby
6 years ago

The news would “take you seriously” if you shat on the floor in the middle of a White House tour as well. That’s not an endorsement.

John Waters was once asked what the most certain fast-track route to fame was, and he replied “Kill someone famous”.

Wetherby
Wetherby
6 years ago

Although Waters was, of course, joking. Worryingly, some people really do seem to think that this is a good idea.

Kootiepatra
Kootiepatra
6 years ago

Aaaaaaand also there’s this. http://secretgamergirl.tumblr.com/post/99278805850/the-longterm-plans-of-gamergate

Summary version: once GamerGate “wins” they intend to go after SJWs in all manner of geeky hobbies. And also if Hillary gets elected everything is doomed. Because of course.

[CW for everything you’d expect]

davidknewton
davidknewton
6 years ago

@tinyorc, I’ve found the same thing in my discussions over Twitter with GamerGate people – some of it might be due to the intentionally stifled form of communication that it enforces, but nobody’s been able to give me an answer as to what GamerGate actually wants. Someone linked me to a video by Matt (the one with the skull) where he went on about Zoe Quinn’s personal life for seven minutes, and another talked about feminists pushing their agenda on games but didn’t answer when I asked for an example of what is allowed now that wouldn’t be allowed in the future.

The closest thing I got to a reason was that someone gave Bayonetta 2 a 7.5 because they thought women could be represented better in it – so “people having different opinions” is the only issue I’ve identified so far.

vaiyt
6 years ago

Well, GG already gobbles up shit from Breitbart.com and got a whole bunch of conspiracy theorists on board, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they got in PrisonPlanet before Fox News.

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

Wait, I hadn’t noticed that before. They think that PR emails (for which the companies doing the PR compile lists, or purchase them) are evidence of a conspiracy?

Yes. Here is Vox Day’s tweet on it (note that at least one person tried to call him out on his stupidity):

https://twitter.com/voxday/status/512507885931470849

And here is his post on the same issue (read the comments, his followers are as stupid as he is): http://www.donotlink.com/c1k2

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Good god Vox hasn’t worked a day in his life as a journalist has he?

Several prominent gaming journalists across America are part of a secret mailing list on which they discuss what to cover, what to ignore, and what approach their coverage should take to breaking news, Breitbart London can reveal.

THIS IS STANDARD JOURNALISTIC PRACTICE FOR ALMOST ANY TOPIC. What a moron!

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

Good god Vox hasn’t worked a day in his life as a journalist has he?

To be fair, that was written by someone named Milo Yiannopoulis. I don’t know who he is, but apparently he’s a new writer at Breitbart. I saw where someone else said he didn’t give a shit about video games or video game players, and he was actually disdainful of both before the gamergate hashtag became a thing, so I suspect what he’s doing is attempting to bolster his burgeoning career. (Baldwin, on the other hand, has done voice work in video games, and I think that gamergate has given him the most attention he’s had since Firefly fandom has waned. I’d be interested to see how his career goes once his current TV projects wrap.)

ryeash
6 years ago

@tinyorc

Had the same luck. “Corrupt journalists!” “Who?” “The hard left feminists who want to censor games!” “HARD left? How?” “You don’t get to decide that!” “You don’t get to make up straw enemies because criticism” “You’re moving the goalpost!” “Uh…what?” *ensue GGer ragequit*

One guy linked me to an article that I’ll have to dig up and post here, because it’s just priceless. It includes a “Gamer Bill of Rights”, the first AND fifth of which call for no bad reviews of any video game ever.

ryeash
6 years ago

Here we are. Bask in the glory of TEH GAMERZ RIGHTZ ZOMG:

https://storify.com/CriticalKelly/dear-gaming-journalists

vaiyt
6 years ago

We simply want a small vocal minority to realize – We, who love games, did not vest them with the power to dictate to the market “what games are”.

“We, of course, vested this power on ourselves.”

We believe that power belongs to the gamers. to the players. To us.

“You, of course, don’t count as players.”

We respect your right to review, comment & pontificate.

“Unless you’re a woman and/or think video games could be more inclusive, in which case we reserve ourselves the right to act like screeching macaques towards you.”

We desire accountability, reform and an acknowledgement that the customer should decide what they play –

“Unless said customer is a woman or POC or a feminist or… they don’t count.”

We will continue to stand up for Freedom of Expression, Artistic Vision and a free market to decide what it wants.

“Unless said expression, artists or market blah blah blah.”

We suggest fans of Gone Home review Gone Home – and fans of God of War Review God of War. It is in this moment that professionalism engages, and a journalist demonstrates whether they are worthy of our trust.

“Only people who already have an emotional investment in a video game should review it. No conflict of interest whatsoever!”

(gotta go home, continue later)

davidknewton
davidknewton
6 years ago

@ryeash, that’s… astonishingly ill-conceived 🙂 What a find!

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
6 years ago

@Sarah
Milo’s previous claim to fame was running a now dead website and getting sued by his writers for not paying them.

ETHICS!

ryeash
6 years ago

I must give credit where credit is due. A Mr. @acesrhigh, in his own words:

https://twitter.com/acesrhigh/status/521493345533984768

It’s not 100% SPOT ON THO GUIZE.

He would also like us to know of #GamerGate: “We want to games free of limitation”, and his ragequitting buddy had a sentence I deciphered as best as I could “who’s one the hard left is not in the eyes of the beholder”. I think I confused my Gibberish dialects, because he was very offended by my interpretation.

grumpyoldnurse
grumpyoldnurse
6 years ago

@ ryeash – I tried putting that through my Dudebro/AlphaGamer translator, but it blew up! Now how will I understand what they’re trying to say?

vaiyt
6 years ago

There is room for Gone Home, just as there is room for God of War III (as their artists envision them, and as the fans enjoy them) We believe “increasing possibilities” is important to grow and enrich the tapestry that is our gaming culture; but it must be done with Care and Patience.

“Changes must come Gradually and Slowly, so as to not Upset our Fragile Egos. By which I mean, never, or at least until we’re dragged kicking and screaming into the light, then we’ll still complain and push back every step of the way like the good reactionaries we are.”

We are always open to rational debate on the validity of these points, however; intellectually dishonest engagement may be met with creative ridicule.

“And by creative ridicule we mean death threats and harassment. All in good fun, of course.”

ryeash
6 years ago

@grumpyoldnurse

They’ve created a whole new language…

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/129/5/e/mother_of_god_in_hd_by_lemmino-d64ndao.png

(Can’t figure out embedding images…)