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"Have you ever felt an Instant Magnetic Attraction with someone? (point to yourself)" and other surefire pickup lines from NLP dating guru Bart Baggett

“Have you asked yourself if the unlimited potential of our relationship is what is making you so happy.”
“Have you asked yourself if the unlimited potential of our relationship is what is making you so happy?”

So in my recent post about Jordan “Sarkeesian Effect” Owen’s ridiculous video accusing Anita Sarkeesian of using super seekret mind control techniques in her Kickstarter fundraising video, I talked a bit about Bart Baggett’s “The Secrets to Creating Chemistry,” (pdf) which attempted to apply some dubious techniques from Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP) to dating.

I think I captured how incredibly silly Baggett’s claims are – I mean, this is a guy who thinks that you can manipulate people into bed through such occult tricks as … using adverbs before verbs and adjectives before nouns.

But I’m not sure I captured just how deeply weird his little manual is, particularly when Baggett attempts to provide real-world examples of how you can use his, er, techniques to con people into falling in love or lust with you – that is, specific things you are supposed to say to the people you’re trying to manipulate create chemistry with.

There’s just one problem with all these examples: they sound like they were written by robots from outer space with only the most minimal understanding of human language and/or psychology. Which they’ve gleaned from a pamphlet on how to sell insurance.

Here are some of his actual examples. (In the quotes that follow, I won’t bother to correct any of the typos; Baggett’s manual is riddled with egregious typos and proofreading failures that add to the surreality of it all.)

“Have you asked yourself if the unlimited potential of our relationship is what is making you so happy.”

No. No I have not asked myself that, at least not in those words.

“Have you naturally discovered how attractive you are becoming?”

Wat. Why not just, “hey you look great, did you do something different with your hair?” Or “cool shoes,” or “you have beautiful eyes” or, I dunno, “me like pretty lady.” I mean, virtually anything is better than “Have you naturally discovered how attractive you are becoming?”

“Becoming aware of the potentials of our relationship allows you to start experiencing the inner sense of malizing how completely we fit each other’s needs.”

“I was wondering if you mind can conceive of the power and feeling and closeness we are discovering.”

Again, these are literally things that Baggett thinks human beings should be saying to other human beings they are dating.

At the end of a date, don’t just say, “hey, I had a great time, let’s do this again.” Say

“During our time together, could be thinking about the next time we will meet?’

Sometimes Baggett assembles entire paragraphs worth of this NLP gobbledygook. Here’s something he suggests you say in order to convince someone you’re dating “to understand the benefits of committing to a relationship with you.”

“During our time together. I was wondering if you have ever considered the chief benefit of deciding to begin a monogamous relationship with that one’s special person you find attraction. As you begin to consider all the obvious reasons to make a commitment NOW, doesn’t it seem natural to feel more excited about our relationship.”

No. No it doesn’t.

“As your affection for me expands, are you realizing how incredibility happy you are to be with me.”

No. No I am not.

In one section of his manual, Baggett talks about using phony “quotes” that you’ve allegedly overheard in order to sneak your super seekrit NLP “embedded commands” into the conversation.

“The strangest thing happened last weekend. This woman walked right up to this guy and said, ‘Could you image you and I embracing in a long passionate kiss, right now?’ Wasn’t that a strange this to just come out and say to someone? People never cease to amaze me.”

Subtle, dude, subtle.

Here are some “Super Sentences Using Magic Phrases.”

“Have you already discovered how naturally you can develop a connection with someone you just met?”

“Naturally, and I will want to duplicate the excitement we feel, so let’s discuss what we will do on our next date.”

“Have you become aware of how fast you and I are clicking tonight?”

And here’s a super subtle and sophisticated way to “blur the line of truth and opinion.”

“You and I are here. We both came here alone. It’s getting late. It’s time we get outa here.”

Yeah, that’ll work.

Baggett also suggests that you use “binds” to trick people into agreeing with you. As he explains it, “[b]inds are when you link one statement (that they accept as true) with another statement you want them to accept as true.”

Watch this master at work:

“The more you feel a lack of trust, the more you will realize you really want to trust me completely.”

Yeah, nothing makes a person seem more trustworthy than attempted manipulation so blatant that it can be seen from outer space.

Baggett is apparently unaware that most people are actually pretty good at sensing when they’re being bullshitted.

“Most of my past girl/boyfriends have said that one of my best qualities is how comfortable they instantly feel and how rapidly they begin to feel that chemistry.. that attraction. I’m not sure what it is about me or if that same feeling could be happening right now. That’s just how other’s saw me. What do you think?”

Gosh, I can’t imagine your date would ever suspect that you were basically just trying to hypnotize them:

“Have you ever fallen madly in love? As you remember that time when you fell madly in love,and you see a picture of it, if you were to where you see that picture NOW, where might you be pointing?

As you just keep thinking about that, space as I talk to you, simply allow my words to come from that space, imagine that you would really start to feel absolutely fantastic. …

In fact, you may notice somewhere inside you want to create an opening for my words. So if I were to say to you,‘Watch what happens as you put a picture of you and me together in a very special ,way, right there in that space,” notice how special that feels. …

If you could just think about what really turns you on (point to that place), it can allow you to COME … to the same conclusion over and over again … that what you really want is to create on opening for DESIRE … create a place for ecstasy … and focus on the energy that swells up inside you, don’t you feel that way now?” (… Enjoy the ride.)

I think he must have meant to say “enjoy the ride home, by yourself, because your date fled in terror when you started up with the creepy hypnotic patter.”

Here’s the start of Baggett’s “Instant Seduction” pattern:

Have you ever felt and Instant Magnetic Attraction with someone? (point to yourself.)

Maybe as you were looking at them and you started to LISTEN INTENTLY as you found every word fascinating.

Sometimes this JUST NATURALLY HAPPENS, it seems as if there is just a chord of light (gesture from your solar plexes to his/hers) connecting you with that special person.

And as that beam of light begins to GLOW and PULSATE with the strength of that connection, it just seems NATURAL that they are BEING PULLED CLOSER AND more intimate as time passes. … .

Run! RUN!!!!

Why bother going through a weird NLP seminar manual that’s nearly 20 years old? Well, partly because it’s funny. Partly because this guy actually made a living teaching this crap to people. People PAID HIM MONEY to learn to turn every conversation into an odd, unnatural, offputting attempt at hypnosis.

But what makes this relevant here is that this is where the pickup artist phenomenon came from. And a lot of this nonsense is still embedded, as it were, in “pickup artist” techniques today. PUAs today may not use actual hypnotic suggestions to con their targets, but they still use a lot of the old NLP lingo, and they’re still obsessed with manipulation and mind games.

It’s the PUAs, not Anita Sarkeesian, who are the real heirs to Bart Baggett.

ALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOADS!

 

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Leisha Young
Leisha Young
10 years ago

…and let me guess, if the women who are being ‘preyed upon’ don’t respond favorably it’s all their fault right?

Leah
Leah
10 years ago

Pua’s have so Little to offer a woman that the only way to get one is to use manipulation, hypnotization or alcohol. Thankfully, they’re not very skilled at any of this. The thought of being genuinely nice and likeable is completely foreign to them.

Dennis Jernberg (@dennis_jernberg)

kittehserf:

@Dennis, your version of this is soooo much better. Because kitties. It read almost like a song. 😀

RAWR. 😉

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
10 years ago

Now I’ve read some of the PUA sites, I have a picture in mind of dudebros constantly pointing to their “schlong”. Imagine having a conversation about furniture with someone who constantly points to his nether region. Seriously, that says more about their own obsession with their penis than anything else…

Shaenon
10 years ago

RIMMER: You see? Totally maladjusted.
LISTER: That’s rich, you know. I mean, coming from the man whose favorite book is “How To Pick Up Girls By Hypnosis.”
RIMMER: There’s nothing wrong with that, Lister. It’s a good book. Full of handy hints as well, and it works.
LISTER: Get outta town.
RIMMER: That’s how I met Lorraine — by hypnotising her.
LISTER: You hypnotised a girl into going out with you?
RIMMER: Yes. I gave her the old “there’s something in your eye” technique, fixed her with a mesma-stare, and bingo — she agreed to come on a date.
LISTER: What was wrong with her?
RIMMER: Nothing.
LISTER: C’mon, a girl agrees to go out with you, and there was nothing wrong with her?
RIMMER: She was an extremely attractive and bright young lady.
LISTER: Hmm, it must work then.
RIMMER: Of course, she had an artificial nose.
LISTER: What!?
RIMMER: Oh, tastefully done. Quality metal. No rivets.
LISTER: Come on, what happened?
RIMMER: Well, things were a little bit stilted in the taxi. All my jokes about her nose hadn’t gone down too well. And they were good gags — I mean quality gags like, “Where are we going? Who nose?” No cheap shots. Anyway, when we got to the restaurant she must have had an attack of nerves or something. She said she was going to the loo and ended up climbing out of the toilet window.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
10 years ago

“I see his name and the voice in my head says Bart Baguette. Just in case anyone was in danger of taking him seriously.”

I keep reading it as “Breitbart.”

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
10 years ago

Red Dwarf is awesome. *fistbump*

Sarah
Sarah
10 years ago

It all sounds very naturally

Sarah
Sarah
10 years ago

To give it some credit, I can imagine this *could* have worked if spoken very slow and softly at a hippie party in the seventies where everyone was high and horny. But then again, reading the news would probably have worked in that situation too.

Mike
Mike
10 years ago

This guy has also been an actor in some really shitty looking movies

http://www.imdb.com/video/demo_reel/vi1914938393

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
10 years ago

So the theory is, spout a stream of gobbledegook interspersed with totally not obvious capital-letter words of sexytimes images you want to plant in the person’s mind?

Like this? “Have you ever naturally imagined believing yourself to be in a blissful ANALytical state of mind where both people are WHIPped into a frenzy and you find yourself developing excitement over the prospect of a brand SPANKING new relationship FEATHERS FEATHERS FEATHERS HIGH-HEELED CLEVELAND STEAMER”

If someone tried this on me, I would find myself wondering if they had an uncontrollable verbal tic.

Also, there is this thing called “asking directly, using grown-up words” that works wonders on people who are already slightly attracted to you and may share your proclivities. But I guess the feeling of triumph at having tricked and manipulated an initially unwilling woman into bed is what they’re after, not the actual sex.

All I can say is, good FUCK OFF ASSHOLE luck with that.

vaiyt
10 years ago

“Honey, you can type this shit, but you can’t say it out loud!”

kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

FEATHERS FEATHERS FEATHERS HIGH-HEELED CLEVELAND STEAMER

Okay, who let Nanny Ogg loose around Hex?

thermonictriode
10 years ago

“Have you ever fallen madly in love? As you remember that time when you fell madly in love,and you see a picture of it, if you were to where you see that picture NOW, where might you be pointing?”

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

AfterTheKidsLeave
10 years ago

Back in the 80’s when I was doing my Master’s degree in social work, we had a prof who was completely besotted with NLP. I used to sit way in back of the class, the better to escape when the weird level got to SAVE YOURSELVES!!

Ellesar
10 years ago

I would have said that Bart had used Google Translate, except that Google Translate wasn’t around then, so I am going to assume that English was not his first language, and he was so arrogant as to assume that he didn’t need anyone to check his ‘work’ for typo’s, incongruity and absurd grammatical convolution.

bashuber
bashuber
10 years ago

Crying with laughter – and why does he constantly use the word natural or naturally?

Harlan
10 years ago

@Shaenon – Nice. I’ve been revisiting Red Dwarf the past week or so. It’s a little guy-centric for my girlfriend’s taste, but she’s enjoying the introduction. Rimmer is a *fabulously* drawn character, full of flaws and self-loathing. He’s a pitch-perfect representation of authorial MISANDRY!!! (unless one has a sense of what drives character and comedy).

friday jones
friday jones
10 years ago

Have you ever felt completely squicked? As you remember that time when you were thoroughly repulsed by another alleged human being’s hideously self-centered attempts at manipulation of your emotions, and you see a picture of it, if you were to see that picture NOW, where might you be pointing?

Maybe as you were pointing off into a random direction, you started to LISTEN INTENTLY as you found every word fascinating. Sometimes THIS JUST NATURALLY HAPPENS, it seems as if there is a glowing stream of puke flowing from your solar plexus and up through your esophagus and this glowing stream of puke is connected to the floor.

bekabot
bekabot
10 years ago

Wow. I’ve never read those things before, but wow, it’s true. They sound like they were invented by a computer that failed the Turing test.

Emmy Rae
Emmy Rae
10 years ago

Something that will GLOW and PULSATE sounds less NATURALLY and more like a glow in the dark vibrator. This person is obviously a very weird dildo salesman.

A glow in the dark vibrator sounds fun, but I don’t think I would buy one from this guy.

marinerachel
10 years ago

I have a glowing vibrator. It’s heat sensor too! It adjusts power settings based on how vigorously it’s being used.

Tanya Nguyen
10 years ago

So i have a question. Assume this crap work, and I totally naturally started to see how beautiful i was becoming and because of your totally awesome technique, i “naturally became aware” of you and I together – given that you admit you are basically hypnotizing me, how is that not a mild form of sexual violence. and *if* your patter worked as well as you think it did, and if you admit you’ve hypnotized me, and if you then got me into bed with your hypnotism, how is that not rape?

I would never ever want to be with someone who I had to “con” into being with me, or had to get drunk. If they didn’t want me upfront, why would I want to “make’ them fake-want me?
I just do not get it.

thehappyfangirl
10 years ago

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

That’s EXACTLY what I was thinking. *laughs*