So in my recent post about Jordan “Sarkeesian Effect” Owen’s ridiculous video accusing Anita Sarkeesian of using super seekret mind control techniques in her Kickstarter fundraising video, I talked a bit about Bart Baggett’s “The Secrets to Creating Chemistry,” (pdf) which attempted to apply some dubious techniques from Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP) to dating.
I think I captured how incredibly silly Baggett’s claims are – I mean, this is a guy who thinks that you can manipulate people into bed through such occult tricks as … using adverbs before verbs and adjectives before nouns.
But I’m not sure I captured just how deeply weird his little manual is, particularly when Baggett attempts to provide real-world examples of how you can use his, er, techniques to con people into falling in love or lust with you – that is, specific things you are supposed to say to the people you’re trying to manipulate create chemistry with.
There’s just one problem with all these examples: they sound like they were written by robots from outer space with only the most minimal understanding of human language and/or psychology. Which they’ve gleaned from a pamphlet on how to sell insurance.
Here are some of his actual examples. (In the quotes that follow, I won’t bother to correct any of the typos; Baggett’s manual is riddled with egregious typos and proofreading failures that add to the surreality of it all.)
“Have you asked yourself if the unlimited potential of our relationship is what is making you so happy.”
No. No I have not asked myself that, at least not in those words.
“Have you naturally discovered how attractive you are becoming?”
Wat. Why not just, “hey you look great, did you do something different with your hair?” Or “cool shoes,” or “you have beautiful eyes” or, I dunno, “me like pretty lady.” I mean, virtually anything is better than “Have you naturally discovered how attractive you are becoming?”
“Becoming aware of the potentials of our relationship allows you to start experiencing the inner sense of malizing how completely we fit each other’s needs.”
“I was wondering if you mind can conceive of the power and feeling and closeness we are discovering.”
Again, these are literally things that Baggett thinks human beings should be saying to other human beings they are dating.
At the end of a date, don’t just say, “hey, I had a great time, let’s do this again.” Say
“During our time together, could be thinking about the next time we will meet?’
Sometimes Baggett assembles entire paragraphs worth of this NLP gobbledygook. Here’s something he suggests you say in order to convince someone you’re dating “to understand the benefits of committing to a relationship with you.”
“During our time together. I was wondering if you have ever considered the chief benefit of deciding to begin a monogamous relationship with that one’s special person you find attraction. As you begin to consider all the obvious reasons to make a commitment NOW, doesn’t it seem natural to feel more excited about our relationship.”
No. No it doesn’t.
“As your affection for me expands, are you realizing how incredibility happy you are to be with me.”
No. No I am not.
In one section of his manual, Baggett talks about using phony “quotes” that you’ve allegedly overheard in order to sneak your super seekrit NLP “embedded commands” into the conversation.
“The strangest thing happened last weekend. This woman walked right up to this guy and said, ‘Could you image you and I embracing in a long passionate kiss, right now?’ Wasn’t that a strange this to just come out and say to someone? People never cease to amaze me.”
Subtle, dude, subtle.
Here are some “Super Sentences Using Magic Phrases.”
“Have you already discovered how naturally you can develop a connection with someone you just met?”
“Naturally, and I will want to duplicate the excitement we feel, so let’s discuss what we will do on our next date.”
“Have you become aware of how fast you and I are clicking tonight?”
And here’s a super subtle and sophisticated way to “blur the line of truth and opinion.”
“You and I are here. We both came here alone. It’s getting late. It’s time we get outa here.”
Yeah, that’ll work.
Baggett also suggests that you use “binds” to trick people into agreeing with you. As he explains it, “[b]inds are when you link one statement (that they accept as true) with another statement you want them to accept as true.”
Watch this master at work:
“The more you feel a lack of trust, the more you will realize you really want to trust me completely.”
Yeah, nothing makes a person seem more trustworthy than attempted manipulation so blatant that it can be seen from outer space.
Baggett is apparently unaware that most people are actually pretty good at sensing when they’re being bullshitted.
“Most of my past girl/boyfriends have said that one of my best qualities is how comfortable they instantly feel and how rapidly they begin to feel that chemistry.. that attraction. I’m not sure what it is about me or if that same feeling could be happening right now. That’s just how other’s saw me. What do you think?”
Gosh, I can’t imagine your date would ever suspect that you were basically just trying to hypnotize them:
“Have you ever fallen madly in love? As you remember that time when you fell madly in love,and you see a picture of it, if you were to where you see that picture NOW, where might you be pointing?
As you just keep thinking about that, space as I talk to you, simply allow my words to come from that space, imagine that you would really start to feel absolutely fantastic. …
In fact, you may notice somewhere inside you want to create an opening for my words. So if I were to say to you,‘Watch what happens as you put a picture of you and me together in a very special ,way, right there in that space,” notice how special that feels. …
If you could just think about what really turns you on (point to that place), it can allow you to COME … to the same conclusion over and over again … that what you really want is to create on opening for DESIRE … create a place for ecstasy … and focus on the energy that swells up inside you, don’t you feel that way now?” (… Enjoy the ride.)
I think he must have meant to say “enjoy the ride home, by yourself, because your date fled in terror when you started up with the creepy hypnotic patter.”
Here’s the start of Baggett’s “Instant Seduction” pattern:
Have you ever felt and Instant Magnetic Attraction with someone? (point to yourself.)
Maybe as you were looking at them and you started to LISTEN INTENTLY as you found every word fascinating.
Sometimes this JUST NATURALLY HAPPENS, it seems as if there is just a chord of light (gesture from your solar plexes to his/hers) connecting you with that special person.
And as that beam of light begins to GLOW and PULSATE with the strength of that connection, it just seems NATURAL that they are BEING PULLED CLOSER AND more intimate as time passes. … .
Run! RUN!!!!
Why bother going through a weird NLP seminar manual that’s nearly 20 years old? Well, partly because it’s funny. Partly because this guy actually made a living teaching this crap to people. People PAID HIM MONEY to learn to turn every conversation into an odd, unnatural, offputting attempt at hypnosis.
But what makes this relevant here is that this is where the pickup artist phenomenon came from. And a lot of this nonsense is still embedded, as it were, in “pickup artist” techniques today. PUAs today may not use actual hypnotic suggestions to con their targets, but they still use a lot of the old NLP lingo, and they’re still obsessed with manipulation and mind games.
It’s the PUAs, not Anita Sarkeesian, who are the real heirs to Bart Baggett.
ALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOADS!
Man bringing back memories. I remember reading about Speed Seduction in Rolling Stone in the …90s, maybe?
The basic idea of NLP is that you put someone in a mini trance by confusing them, or by talking to them in a really dull voice, or by whatever. If you’ve ever seen someone hypnotized at a show, that’s a severe trance, and in that state people are so open to suggestion that they could literally be convinced that they saw aliens land outside of a window. (Seriously. Hypnotism comedy shows are mean LOL). NLP works on a mini version of that.
Basically, the guys that came up with NLP theorized that people go into mini-trances regularly by zoning out while driving, or whatever, and theorized that they could induce these mini-trances in people with language. They thought that people would be more open to suggestion in these states. NLP isn’t supposed to be powerful enough to make people believe that aliens have landed outside, but it’s practitioners believe that it could gaslight or manipulate a “target” into a desired behavior as long as that behavior wasn’t too far out of the target’s character.
Well, at least that’s my extremely limited memory and knowledge of how it works. 🙂 Hopefully someone else knows more than me. 🙂
Anyway, the old Rolling Stone article on Speed Seduction was fun. All the capitalized words were supposed to be seekritly-sexualized words that fly under the radar of a woman’s conscious brain, but get caught by her subconscious, and make her feel SUPA-HORNEE. So supa-hornee in fact that she just may just bring the guy home. The whole article was a hoot and was chock filled with examples of him talking normally but putting emphasis on words with a supaseekrit double meanings.
I remember all this because, a month later, when Rolling Stone published reader comments, there was a comment that followed the same scheme as Speed Seduction. It was a normal discussion of what was wrong with it, but with certain words, or parts of words, capitalized for emphasis. For example, the word “ridiculous” would look like “riDICulous”. And the supaseekrit hidden capital message that was hidden in the comment was, “I HOPE HIS PATHETIC LITTLE DIC FALLS OFF SOON”. LOL, Oh comments.
(And yes, I’m paraphrasing because it’s been fifteen or twenty years since I’ve last read Rolling Stone.)
The ‘how attractive you are becoming’ one really weirds me out, the more I think about it. Like… what? Are you suggesting I was originally unattractive, but the more I hang around you the hotter I become? Wtf? I also have no idea what ‘naturally noticed’ means. Can you unnaturally notice something?
@kittehserf, yeah, I had the same response – I’m with someone I’m pretty madly in love with, super attracted to, incredibly happy to be with them and all that – and I’d STILL react with ‘uhh, are you ok?’ if they started coming out with weird, stilted sentences about whether I have considered how naturally excited I am to happily be with them and their pulsating light glow or whatever. If that had been their first attempt at talking to me, I am pretty sure we would not currently be together.
(I’ve tried hypnosis in an attempt to deal with a phobia, but it didn’t work well at all. Mostly it just made me anxious and upset, honestly.)
I’ve used self hypnosis to cope with chronic pain. Way better than narcotics, IMHO, and with fewer side effects!
I’ve never let anyone else hypnotise me. I have some trust issues, so the thought kind of skeeves me out.
I thought that phrasing was to shoehorn “be cumming” into the conversation.
I keep thinking of that old cartoon trick of using confusing multiple negatives when I read this. (Hint: It doesn’t work there either, guys!)
Well I got ninja’d a bit there.
I’ve never been hypnotized but I’ve meditated. Although I’ve seen several of DH’s friends get hypnotized at a show many years ago and it was Schadenfreude. 🙂
I must be in a trance because my brain’s combining this post with the previous one on its own. To wit (warning: compulsively corrected):
It must be getting dangerously close to NaNoWriMo…
I read them all in Agent Smith’s voice, and it seemed entirely appropriate.
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Can… can anyone do a good Agent Smith impression? I would dearly love to see these overdubbed on the Morpheus interrogation scene!
See, it works!
@beth:
Hmmm … was he saying he looked more like the cat than (hurl) Iggy Pop? That might have been a yes.
@lacerta viridis:
It’s like a word-salad version of a neg or something. If I thought it meant “Don’t you know how beautiful you are?” (not becoming: are) it’d be one thing – Louis’s said that, if not in so many words, to me, and it does make a difference. But this is just weird.
Maybe unnaturally noticing means you go round with a microscope strapped to your head …
@grumpyoldnurse:
Yay! I’d never heard of doing that. (Given I know diddly squat about self-hypnosis, this is not surprising.)
@Dennis, your version of this is soooo much better. Because kitties. It read almost like a song. 😀
Sometimes, with minor pain, especially throbbing pain, I can convince my brain to register the pain as just a regular sensation, rather than pain, by focussing on it in a particular way. Is that the sort of thing you do with self-hypnosis?
Does he explain how you’re supposed to stop the other person from walking away in the middle of one of your wannabe hypnotic speeches? Because maybe I’m just rude, but I’d turn around and head in the other direction a couple of sentences into that shit. Why does he think women will just stand there and listen until the dudes have finished rambling?
I’d assume so, it’s what works for me, Kim.
As does meditation, sensation and emotion triggers, various bits of texture feedback for emotions and a bit of this and that, tricks I’ve picked up.
Never tried to actually be hypnotized by someone else. Don’t see the point, I guess. I can manage quite well on my own, and giving someone else permission to wander all over my headspace makes the part of my brain normally busy thinking about economic peculiarities roil and recoil in terror, hissing. Doesn’t help that most other people I’ve met who know anything about hypnosis are exactly the kind of people that got into it to mess with other people’s heads.
The weird thing here is how artless the above is. I understand the theory behind it, but the choices of words just seem so needlessly obtuse. For instance:
Okay, so you say you’re excited, and you want to double your excitement and you intend to anchor that doubled-excitement to “the next date”. I get what you’re trying to do here. But my god, what about just saying: “This was a great date, hoping the next one’s even better, let’s talk about our plans for it?”. I’ve just cut out ten syllables and some extraneous blabber from your dialogue.
Yes. I wonder why that is.
(no I don’t)
(It’s obvious)
The technique I was taught is more of a meditative/guided imagery thing. I meditate until I am in a mildly altered state, and then tell my brain that the pain is OK. It’s natural, I’m aware of it now, thankyouverymuch, so you can please stop yelling at me about it. Then, if it’s muscular pain, I try to convince the associated muscle groups to relax and release the pain. If it’s GI pain, I try to focus on the part that’s causing the problem (stomach, produce less acid! Oesophageal sphincter, tighten up!) There are times when the pain gets the better of me, and I take something, but generally I’m more afraid of the side effects of medication (even over the counter stuff) than I am of the pain. The worst part, for me, is that it makes me very tired when I’m having a bad day. I also try to take care of myself properly and get enough of the right kind of exercise, eat a balance diet, etc. That helps, too!
Oops! Ninja’d very succinctly by Fibinachi!
Imagining some PUA trying this technique reminded me of the show “Invader Zim”, in which the title character is trying to blend in with an elementary school class. “I am a perfectly normal human worm baby!”
NLP is about as credible as orgone boxes or Scientology, and these chuzzlewits are still flogging it? Typical. I’m surprised they’re not promoting phrenology. But that would be BELOW ME.
Huh, I’m getting a sudden curious desire to go buy a blow gun, get a blowtorch and work on blowing up my balloons for decorating my bungablow.
Robeeeeeerrrrrtttttt! Damn you!
I’ve been hypnotised, and I was very hypnotisable. I saw a cat that wasn’t really there! And the hypnotist does sort speak in these very long patterns, in a very gentle voice, with a sleepy, unstressed rhythm. You are supposed to be in a state where you are not listening with the alert part of your brain that questions everything.
But I knew I was being hypnotised, I went there to try out being hypnotised. It was very cool, but it wasn’t at all a natural kind of conversation. The hypnotist spent quite a long time relaxing me into that state, making sure I trusted I wouldn’t be doing anything I didn’t want to do. I had to want to be suggestible for it to work. Even though I was extremely high on the hypnotisable scale, its not like someone could walk up in a bar and start speaking hypnospeak and I wouldn’t be sleeved.
Pffft! I could do better than that.
As you watch, you are getting very happy. Veeeeeerrrrryy haaaaaaapppyy…
When I snap my fingers, you will give your Furrinati master food!
*Snap!*
*skeeved
CORGI MIND POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Dang, chickpeasarada, you do good work! I don’t even have a Furrinati overlord right now, but the neighbour cat says ‘thanks’ for the tuna. Also, where did this leaf blower come from?
I see his name and the voice in my head says Bart Baguette. Just in case anyone was in danger of taking him seriously.
Why, yes, I would like a corgi! Oh, sorry. Yes, in fact, I would very intensely passionately like for you to naturally find that you want to give me a corgi (and also sex).
Did I do it right?