Zoe Quinn has had it.
Yesterday, fed up with the equivocating bullshit that’s constantly being said in the media and within gaming circles about #GamerGate, and pissed off at all those who think of themselves as good people but still refuse to see the hatred and misogyny and harassment and doxxing that has been central to GG since the start, Quinn posted a series of (justifiably) angry tweets calling out the cowards in the profession who know that what’s going on is deeply evil but won’t say anything, and documenting the unending harassment she and her boyfriend, and her family, and his family are still getting.
Was that even a sentence? I don’t know. The point is she’s STILL getting harassed. She’s STILL getting “prank” calls. She’s STILL getting death threats. People are STILL digging around in her personal life and the personal life of everyone connected to her.
And she’s not the only one. The newest target of #GamerGate wrath? Indie game developer Brianna Wu, who, as I noted in my last post, got death threats … for posting memes on Twitter.
Meanwhile, two creepy obsessed assholes are still begging for money to make a documentary they hope will ruin Anita Sarkeesian.
Oh, but #GamerGate is about ethics.
I’m just going to paste in a bunch of Quinn’s Tweets here, because they pretty much speak for themselves.
to the "moderates" of gamergate: how do you think you can get rid of corruption in journalism when you can't rid your own movement of it?
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 10, 2014
and to those who are anti-gg and silent – the more people who speak out the less vulnerable those who do speak out are.
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 10, 2014
If you are just watching this from the sidelines, scared, I don't blame you. But it does force the burden of fighting this on those targeted
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 10, 2014
"How do you fight it?" – Condemn it. Offer moral support to those targeted. Signal boost the stuff that debunks the ridiculous claims
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 10, 2014
If you are still remaining silent or saying "but both sides have points" I am losing more and more patience for you as this continues 🙁
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
I make a post saying I refuse to talk about my personal life? Hacked and doxxed. Phil stands up for me? Hacked and doxxed.
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
We all keep being told none of this is happening, people and websites still treat the movement with skepticism about what it is
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
Meanwhile *I* had to do the investigation into gamergate and blow that shit open with the IRC while watching them talk about raping me
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
I followed up on the IRC log here and here, but I wouldn’t have known about it if she hadn’t been there first collecting screenshots.
Anything but scorching the goddamned earth on gamergate is turning a blind eye as more and more women & feminists are targeted
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
if you have ANY shred of decency and consider yourself part of gamergate, stop asking us to suffer for your movement. Leave and start anew.
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
I don't care how many enemies I make now, this shit needs to stop. If you've just watched and let this happen, you should be ashamed
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
There is no "both sides" here. People against GG's actions are not organized, or campaigning, or using a hashtag.
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
There's a mob, and their targets
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
If you are choosing to stay silent, let me ask you this – how shitty would you feel if one of these people made good on their threats?
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
How can you be comfortable letting people like alex & I, who are combatting the IRL fallout of GG, fight the online fights too
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
god damnit I hate being angry and going on twitter tirades but fuck this has to stop
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
Take the time to enlarge the pics on these tweets:
for those of you keeping score, on the 16th it will be two months of alex and I living under shit like this pic.twitter.com/S1HC1DVph2
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
stop defending this pic.twitter.com/GzO9BKMDas
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
stop defending this pic.twitter.com/XNuNcD3dx6
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
stop defending this pic.twitter.com/poVhGZGGjc
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
stop pretending this isn't happening in your front yard pic.twitter.com/HhueTH4tV8
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
I have a 16 fucking gig folder of this shit
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
And then there’s … this:
Literally getting accused of killing gamers pic.twitter.com/km6GXoiIVc
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 8, 2014
Also, she gets phone calls:
cool dude with a soundboard who has been calling me around this hour for the last week periodically is back at it again
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
between that and the pizzas they tried to order to me with my dox I think we may be dealing with real actual 12 year old, folks
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 11, 2014
Oh, you don’t believe she gets phone calls? Ta da:
.@Kheapathic @the_moviebob oh I'm sorry, did you just say this didn't happen? Bad news we recorded it https://t.co/LE0CQj8Upe
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 2, 2014
As the MRAs say: Always Be Recording. Except that Zoe Quinn actually has a good reason to do this.
It’s kind of amazing that Quinn manages to retain a sense of humor in the midst of all this.
whenever gamergate is finally over and the dust settles, someone's gonna go "The aristocrats!" and it'll all make sense
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 10, 2014
because the last two months have been the grossest, longest drawn-out-est joke I've seen in my entire life
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 10, 2014
and it's not even a funny joke. it's just sad, absurd, and has destroyed a lot of peoples' lives
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 10, 2014
Gamer inside joke!
every time a creep yells at me for something anita did I delay half life 3 another year
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 8, 2014
Also, kitty:
to make up for my grumpyass, here's the cutest twitter feed. It autotweets when a cat comes home through its catdoor https://t.co/StWNbK8Q8d
— zoë “Baddie Proctor” quinn (@UnburntWitch) October 10, 2014
Not sure if this article from the Atlantic was posted here before (sorry if so), doesn’t deal with GG, but does deal with rampant online misogyny and harassment of women:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/10/the-unsafety-net-how-social-media-turned-against-women/381261/
As for GG, let’s pretend for a moment that hypothetically GG wasn’t just another opportunity for bitter internet neckbeards to do Comment Section Activism and lash out at women, social justice bloggers, “cultural marxists” and whatever other scary boogeymen keep mangry neckbeards awake at night. Let’s say that GG was really was just about integrity in video gaming journalism.
Then it would still just be about integrity in video gaming journalism, which in the grand scheme of things is not exactly this earth shattering scandal. A bunch of gamers reacting to corruption in gaming journalism like it’s the start of WWIII would be ridiculous and over the top even if it weren’t for the misogyny. But, of course, it’s always been mostly about the misogyny and the angry manbabies upset that the mean women and social justice bloggers are taking “their” games away from them.
And how dare those women and social justice types ruin video games by forcing diversity into a form of media that should be the rightful domain of white, heterosexual men. And aliens. And dragons. And wizards. And zombies. And talking plants.
What I find most shocking about the whole GamerGate thing is that the “ethics in journalism” claims are so blatantly untrue. I sort of wonder if GGer’s have managed to lie to themselves enough times for it to be true? Even when they try to talk about journalists, they can’t go more than a few sentences before they start frothing about “social justice warriors” trying to take away their video games.
The true is, they don’t understand that people are allowed to talk about video games however they please. I have seen grown men cry that their “freedom of speech” is being violated because women are allowed to say things they don’t like. They honestly believe that women need to be silenced to protect free expression. It is mind boggling.
And then the cries of “there are women in GG!!!1!11” As if that is some shield against being criticized for their open misogyny. Yes, dear, there are lots of women in the world that get off on abusing other women just as much as you do. What is your point?
What can I do for zoe quinn?
This is the part that completely floors me. No matter who tries to argue with me that this isn’t about hating on women or SJWs, it only takes a few sentences for them to get to why Anita Sarkeesian is evil for trying to take away their games (SHE’S NOT) or how Zoe Quinn tried to destroy vidya games jernlizm (SHE DIDN’T) or why Leigh Alexander is the real bigot for saying a lot of gamers are sexist jerks (THEY ARE).
If it were really about journalism, it wouldn’t be so damn easy to scratch the surface of one of these tools and find the resentment against The Other brewing underneath.
@repentantphonebooth:
Here’s what you can do.
Crap, how disappointing that the Pirate Party gives these douchebros any space at all. It’s hardly as if German men are the least bit oppressed; if anything, they’re even more sexist than the average anglo. (And way more entitled, too, if the number of brothels is any indication.) Oh well, if they’re going to go that route, it’s little wonder they’re barely electable. Throwing half the German population under the bus for the sake of cultivating a few geeky boys’ votes will get you that, eh? And German women are every bit as internet-savvy as anyone can be, so that’s another major strike against them. If they’re going to act as though politics is one big flame war, it serves them right. Women want the online world to be safer for them everywhere, and if these guys are too busy fighting amongst themselves (AND abusing women online!) to make it so, they deserve to lose.
I’m going to save those links for when my head is up to it; may translate and mock the worst of it on my blog later. Thanks a lot!
PS: Wow, they are a bunch of right-wing dingbats, aren’t they.
Or explode in a cloud of Cheeto dust, oh noes!
(Dear Lord. This will put the manufacturers of Cheetos out of business, too. MISANDRY!)
thanks strivingally!! I spent some time on the cracked site talking to commenters about why the gamergate nonsense is exactly that. you don’t harass a person and then try and take the moral high ground. No one will ever take you seriously.
RE: “But they don’t seem like bad people…”
Well, yeah, of course they’ll seem that way – if you interact with them enough.
When I was a teenager, I spent years telling myself that all the racist and sexist things my friends said was just verbal horseplay. The reality was that they were just racists and sexists – I just wanted to justify interacting with them at all. The ideas someone expresses cannot be separated from who they are, in my opinion. We often tell ourselves otherwise because many guilt others with false proclamations of “open-mindedness” whenever they take issue with someone else’s opinions. ‘Cause, hey, they’re just “opinions”…which is still based around how others should be treated (and not for the better).
“Civility” has become something of a smoke-screen in recent years for bigots and other ignoramuses to express themselves openly, while nonetheless stifling any criticism towards them. They care more about their “right” to say and do whatever they please, reducing all views on an issue to “just an opinion” – as if it is all entirely hypothetical and part of some fucked-up rhetorical game.
RE: False Equivalence
I’ve had people say that Gjoni was totally right just ’cause, only to then turn around and say “but both sides are at fault!” It’s a way to look impartial by not being impartial at all. Like demanding facts, only to then claim any evidence given “doesn’t count”.
Fuck, someone on my friend’s list posted a Christina Hoff Sommers article from TIME and I brought up why one should not believe her – which involved statistics from the CDC, FBI, and DoJ – wherein he dismisses it all as “differing opinion.” Nevermind her article was op-ed and that she never brings up a single argument that isn’t backed-up by…another op-ed piece. I bring up her political biases and that she works for the American Enterprise Institute. It didn’t matter, of course, because he seemed determined to believe her while disingenuously claiming he was being totally “objective”.
@ NickNameNick – I hate it when people can’t think, and then try and blame you for their short comings!
QFgoddamnT.
This is what pisses me off about flibbertigibbertarians, in a nutshell. They’re all “freedom for me, but none for thee”. And if you call them on their hypocrisy, they bawl about how uncivil and mean you are to them. And then they turn around and start swinging below the belt again.
At this point i want to cover most of the gaters in angry hornets
I’m not surprised at all. Political movements like the Piratpartiet are notorious for being led by young, privileged men. Julian Assange, wikileaks guy and probable rapist, actually made a comment in favor of GamerGate. So has Andrew ‘weev’ Auernheimer, who has become, since his prison time, a LITERAL NAZI. Both men are celebrated internet freedom heroes. Both are incredibly privileged.
It’s like atheism. I may wish I could throw my weight behind this stuff as a movement, but the people driving those movements make me sick.
So that’s their celebrity support, a rapist and a Nazi? Good show, guys, we’re all very impressed.
oh, c’mon, they have more celebrity support than that! Like Adam Baldwin, conspiracy theorist neoconservative Firefly actor. And Milo Yiannopoulos, gay-yet-homophobic Breitbart hack. And Christina Hoff Sommers, professional fake feminist antifeminist.
Basically it’s a far-right bigotry parade.
I love how none of these people are gamers, but that’s OK because they hate ladies just like all the other assholes.
@cassandrakitty:
Anita Sarkeesian criticising narrative themes and the treatment of women in videogames (which is a goddamned textual analysis and doesn’t require one to be an expert) is bullshit because she’s not a gamer, but Milo, CHS, et al. joining in on the GG side is perfectly fine and welcome.
Because Reasons. Also JERNLIZTIC INTERGITY.
(personally I would’ve thought the sight of a bunch of washed-up right wing hacks glomming onto their cause would’ve given some pause to anybody who actually cared about journalistic ethics, it seems I was mistaken)
It’s like being lapped while you’re running track. They’re so super progressive and ahead of the curve (lolbullshit) that the establishment seems to have caught right up to them. How could that have happened? Stay tuned for tomorrow’s episode of “As The Asshole Turns”.
I glanced through Julian Assange’s comments about it since I never saw him pop up on any of the Twitter streams I follow. As far as I can tell, he doesn’t know jack shit about the movement and appears to just be co-opting their anger at “censorship” for his own unrelated political reasons… so exactly like all the other celebrities!
Also, I really hate how the rape allegation against him was handled. I have no doubt he could very well be guilty and his victims deserve justice, but the timing of it (ten days before the heavily-hyped cable leak) and the United States’ interest in pressing charges against him was basically begging for every conspiracy theorist and general asshole to immediately shout “FAKE!” It’s bad for everyone and especially his victims, who you know would be immediately doxxed and have to live in fear for the rest of their lives if he ever ends up in court.
I’ve finished the first draft of my own anti-GG post, but I’m going to take my good time polishing it up because I want to make sure I state my point with absolute clarity and hella sting, and also because I need to prepare for the backlash (and I want my novel as close to edited as possible by then, since it’s a Molotov cocktail in itself).
I should have said this in my first post, but I’m damn glad that Zoe keeps on fighting. She’s become an inspiration to me.
There’s been women fighting against women’s rights since there’s been women fighting for women’s rights. I may be cynical, but I’m betting most of those “women in GG” are our old “friends” the Honey Badger FemRAs.
So they’ve gone the way of the US Libertarians after all. Just as well I didn’t join either party (there’s a tiny little Pirate Party branch in Washington state, or at least was) and remained independent…
And there’s the trifecta! I knew it! *facepalm* #msmfail
There goes the last of my respect for the guy. Yet another of my heroes turns villain… *takes out sledgehammer, smashes pedestal*
Reading so much facepalm-worthy tripe from the likes of Richard Dawkins convinced me that though they may be secular, they sure as hell ain’t humanists.
And some right-wing Hollywood actors. No A-listers though. Though if Fox News jumps on the bandwagon, I’ll be, uh, impressed. Especially if they bring Camille Paglia and Christina Hoff Sommers on Fox & Friends.
@katz, it’s a shortened nick of my real/meatspace name. I was daft enough to not even know it was Russian until recently (someone brought up Misha Collins and things went from there). Kinda cool it is, though 🙂
Ye gads, not Ukip, Anything but Ukip. Their increasing popularity is everyone’s (least) favourite headache at the moment.
Oooh, had a sudden shivery, shuddery feeling. As though someone had just misandered over my grave…
I spoke up under the Gamergate hashtag on Twitter again – we’ll see where it goes today. Who’s doing the same?
I am, have been for weeks. When I do I get some abuse, and some apologetics. One dude had a meltdown: I didn’t see it because I’d already blocked him, but the people engaging him in my stream made it plain the veneer peeled away.
. They’re quite clear that they neither have any obligation to criticise those who are obsessed with hating women, nor any motivation to abandon #GamerGate to the haters and make a new tag specifically addressing corruption.
The dude who lost his shit explicitly said that: Made it clear the asshole and haters were a feature, not a bug.
2) What would you recommend as a good tactic to a) uncover these guys’ real driving ideology and b) refute their “arguments” without exhausting oneself and feeling slightly dirty?
Treat them as if they were honeset actors: ask pointed questions of clarification. This usually induces meltdown; thus showing them for what they are.
@Bina
The links actually lead you to the website of a sociologist who has done the most work analysing and fighting MANNdat. If you want to look at material for mockery, go to:
http://www.wgvdl.com/ (especially their forum, where all these asshats unite to whine)
http://genderama.blogspot.de/ (Arne Hoffmann’s blog)
http://manndat.de/
@Dennis_Jernberg
Yes, the AfD is basically Tea Party ideology mixed with some of the more unsavoury flavors of German politics. They negotiated with UKIP to work together in the European Parliament, but the more classically liberal (and less nationalist) parts of AfD are against it. Nevertheless, these are losing ground to the far right in the party.
Re: Pirate Party
The problems were very visible from the beginning, at least in Germany. Some from the progressive left hoped it would become better and entered to influence the party from within, but recently, the last lefties have left the party in a widely publicized move. The party handled poorly several cases of Neonazis trying to hijack their “freedom of speech” platform to argue against the illegality of Holocaust denial in Germany. One of its central ideas, “Liquid Democracy” (basically, organizing democratic discourse, plebiscites and elections via social media) fell apart after it became clear to everyone how the party members themselves used Twitter for airing dirty laundry and harassing other members who disagreed on whatever point (of course, particularly feminists). Where they were elected (locally), they showed their incompetence in all political fields outside of their speciality. The Mens’ Rights connection didn’t help.
Re: Gamergate
It’s simply ridiculous to claim this is about corruption in the gaming media. Gamergate exploded while the gamescom was happening in Germany, one of the biggest international trade shows. Journalists from mainstream gaming magazines were brought to the event with buses paid for by the largest companies, who shuffled the journalists to exclusive previews of 30 sec. trailers to promote their newest crap FPS (You know the drill: pre-rendered “live game footage” and so on). The Germany army actually had a recruiting stand there. No one on Gamergate talks about the multifaceted connections between AAA companies and the arms manufacturers, ranging from giving publicity to the newest guns to studios using their game engines to produce military simulators for the army (Bohemia Interactive, the guys behind Arma and DayZ, actually have a sister studio just for that purpose. They share the engine). There is a journalist in Germany who researches this stuff. He has around 7 000 views on YouTube.
Oh sweet holy gibbering fuck. These asshats are no longer mockable. Poe’s Law has disappeared into a vortex of impossibly dense compressed lack-of-self-awareness.
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/521162129173643264
Ummm. Wow. Just wow. Conspiracy theories so illogical I’m pretty sure Alex Jones and Glenn Beck are going “Hang on, isn’t that a little far-fetched?”
Heh … I’m old enough that the name Misha will always bring to mind one image – the 1980 Moscow Olympics mascot.
http://georgesjournal.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/olympic_lore_moscow_1980_mischa_the_bear_mascot.jpg