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In a series of brilliant, furious Tweets, Zoe Quinn tears apart the myth that #GamerGate has "moved beyond" harassment of women

Get over it, dudes.
Get over it, dudes.

Zoe Quinn has had it.

Yesterday, fed up with the equivocating bullshit that’s constantly being said in the media and within gaming circles about #GamerGate, and pissed off at all those who think of themselves as good people but still refuse to see the hatred and misogyny and harassment and doxxing that has been central to GG since the start, Quinn posted a series of (justifiably) angry tweets calling out the cowards in the profession who know that what’s going on is deeply evil but won’t say anything, and documenting the unending harassment she and her boyfriend, and her family, and his family are still getting.

Was that even a sentence? I don’t know. The point is she’s STILL getting harassed. She’s STILL getting “prank” calls. She’s STILL getting death threats. People are STILL digging around in her personal life and the personal life of everyone connected to her.

And she’s not the only one. The newest target of #GamerGate wrath? Indie game developer Brianna Wu, who, as I noted in my last post, got death threats … for posting memes on Twitter.

Meanwhile, two creepy obsessed assholes are still begging for money to make a documentary they hope will ruin Anita Sarkeesian.

Oh, but #GamerGate is about ethics.

I’m just going to paste in a bunch of Quinn’s Tweets here, because they pretty much speak for themselves.

I followed up on the IRC log here and here, but I wouldn’t have known about it if she hadn’t been there first collecting screenshots.

Take the time to enlarge the pics on these tweets:

And then there’s … this:

Also, she gets phone calls:

Oh, you don’t believe she gets phone calls? Ta da:

As the MRAs say: Always Be Recording. Except that Zoe Quinn actually has a good reason to do this.

It’s kind of amazing that Quinn manages to retain a sense of humor in the midst of all this.

Gamer inside joke!

Also, kitty:

 

 

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Misha
Misha
6 years ago

“This name, in any of its forms, is a common colloquialism in Russian for a bear, because it is similar to the standard name for bear медведь (medved).”

*faceplants with joy

Dennis Jernberg (@dennis_jernberg)

Especially if they bring Camille Paglia and Christina Hoff Sommers on Fox & Friends.

Oooh, had a sudden shivery, shuddery feeling. As though someone had just misandered over my grave…

I feel your pain. As for me, if that event ever happens, I’ll make sure to watch it, and then I’ll mock away. Besides, the ludicrously mislabelled “journalists” on Fox & Friends are highly mockable no matter what they’re making us facepalm over, and they deservedly get mocked often, especially by the late-night comedians.

No one on Gamergate talks about the multifaceted connections between AAA companies and the arms manufacturers, ranging from giving publicity to the newest guns to studios using their game engines to produce military simulators for the army…

Even though the Pentagon’s been heavily subsidizing the whole FPS genre since they commissioned America’s Army for the US Army back in the ’90s. I suspect that’s why most FPSes since then are military. I won’t be surprised if the GamerGaters turn out to be not just pro-military but pro-war.

no they are definitely that stupid @Harvey_S pic.twitter.com/1Dymb1CHcH

— Spoopy Twittër Rando (@TheQuinnspiracy) October 12, 2014

Ummm. Wow. Just wow. Conspiracy theories so illogical I’m pretty sure Alex Jones and Glenn Beck are going “Hang on, isn’t that a little far-fetched?”

Nah, this is exactly the kind of conspiracy Glenn Beck would conspire in, if he conspired with his good buddy the MRA preacher Mark Driscoll, naturally wearing their matching trilbies fedoras. No, these GamerGate MRA clowns don’t surprise me one bit; Beck and Jones schooled them, after all.

Dennis Jernberg (@dennis_jernberg)

(Uh-oh, looks WordPress failed to cross out “trilbies” even though I used an <s> tag…)

kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

WordPress likes the del tag here, for some reason.

Belated Hi, btw. 🙂

bbz
bbz
6 years ago

GamerGate is vile. If you think it’s about ethics in games reporting, you haven’t studied:
a) ethics
b) journalism
c) GamerGate
Seriously, nothing’s stopping Gaters from making a push for more objective games reporting. Get a journalism degree and change the industry practices yourself. Promote the games you love by playing them, buying them, and writing about how awesome they are. Explain what makes these games so great. Start your own review site and build it to be the industry beacon for passionate, well-researched games journalism.
GamerGate is not the way. It’s a terrifying, violent hate group. If that’s not how you want to identify yourself, get far the hell away and gone from GamerGate *now*. That filth is gonna stick.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

The links actually lead you to the website of a sociologist who has done the most work analysing and fighting MANNdat.

Ahhh, good to know. I thought it looked a little too even-handed and level-headed to be those guys. (Also, it was late here, and my eyes were buggy.)

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Ummm. Wow. Just wow. Conspiracy theories so illogical I’m pretty sure Alex Jones and Glenn Beck are going “Hang on, isn’t that a little far-fetched?”

I know I posted this already in the other thread, but I should also put it here: this doesn’t look like a conspiracy theory to me. It looks like a plan to physically assault ZQ, with this “a friend of a friend said” business released ahead of time so that when ZQ shows up somewhere injured from the assault, she won’t be believed.

I would take this as a threat and a plan of violence.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Julian Assange, wikileaks guy and probable rapist, actually made a comment in favor of GamerGate.

Goes to show how far out of touch he is on this one. It’s NOT about “censorship”. Death threats and rape threats are NOT free speech. He ought to understand that full well, since he faces a possible death sentence for espionage. The layers of irony are getting too many to count.

gilshalos
6 years ago

I joined twitter several years back purely to play Fallen London. Just sent out a tweet on #gamergate. Lets see what happens.

A. Noyd
A. Noyd
6 years ago

Bina sez:

Death threats and rape threats are NOT free speech.

Not to mention, the threats are an attempt to suppress the target’s ability to speak freely.

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
6 years ago

Somewhat off-topic. I’m a twitter noob; how do I enlarge pictures enough to read them? For example, in one of Zoe’s posts linked up there, there’s a long thin picture of what looks like a Tumblr inbox. But I can’t enlarge it nearly enough to read it; twitter insists on fixing its height to the height of my screen and I can’t zoom in 🙁

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

No one on Gamergate talks about the multifaceted connections between AAA companies and the arms manufacturers, ranging from giving publicity to the newest guns to studios using their game engines to produce military simulators for the army

Good point. And none of these chumpions of freedumb are criticizing the US Army’s use of online games to lure kids several years too young to enlist, either.

It’s almost like this “journalistic” integrity of which they bleat is just a red herring for the persecution of women gamers, developers and media critics!

Alex M
Alex M
6 years ago

So I went to the link provided in the Thunderclap campaign and what did I see? Right on the front page is one of those “see!? We’re totally harassed too!” stories that has pictures of tweets from some guy threatening to go to the address of a known creepy cyberstalker and murder him. You know what was missing? Any kind of black box or other covering of the address in question. There is no way this is an oversight: they just really don’t give a shit about who gets hurt because to them, an “anti-GG” person getting hurt = false flag and a pro-GG person getting hurt = “THEY’RE DOING ALL THE BAD THINGS THEY ACCUSE US OF DOING!” Keep in mind one Thunderclap participant has 355,000 followers.

No, I’m not linking to it directly. The guy they “accidentally” doxxed may be an asshole, but I have standards.

skiriki
6 years ago

So y’all know how this fabled Gamergate is about “ethics in journalism”, and disclosuring connections and definitely absolutely not about corruption and being cozy with creators, yeah?

Funny how this happened, then:

https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/521357384682586112

katz
6 years ago

Heh … I’m old enough that the name Misha will always bring to mind one image – the 1980 Moscow Olympics mascot.

I approve. Looks a bit Cheburashka influenced.

http://s1.hubimg.com/u/5175654_f520.jpg

Fibinachi
6 years ago

Oh god, the Gor RPG. You had to go and remind me I live in a world where someone is trying to make Gor RPG, didn’t you, skiriki?

strivingally
6 years ago

skiriki: I really don’t think there’s a problem with people who went into VG writing because they love games backing a crowdfunding project because … they love games. The way GamerHate trolls try to hold that up as some kind of GOTCHA is stupid – the hypocrisy of not having a problem with it if it’s someone from “their side” is staggering.

skiriki
6 years ago

Fibinachi:

Oh god, the Gor RPG. You had to go and remind me I live in a world where someone is trying to make Gor RPG, didn’t you, skiriki?

I’m just hoping it’ll get the same kind of review as FATAL got back in the day. That was legendary. I might have to buy it for Darren MacLennan and Jason Sartin for reviewing, if it goes down to that.

Heartofaquamarine
Heartofaquamarine
6 years ago

@skiriki…did he seriously just back a fundraiser based on the Chronicles of Gor? SERIOUSLY? What in the name of hagfish?

skiriki
6 years ago

@strivingally — I confus. I mean, TheQuinnspiracy account belongs to Zoe Quinn herself, and she’s the one pointing out how, funnily enough, this stuff gets a pass. 🙂

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Goddamn that Olympics mascot has a terrifying face.

Nequam
Nequam
6 years ago

I’ve read James Desborough stuff (the “humorous” RPG supplement “The Slayer’s Guide to Girl Gamers”) and frankly, his Gor RPG wouldn’t be make a good epic review, because it would be offensive in a terribly commonplace way, rather than several hundred pages of vile and crazy.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Yup, that Gor thingmajig sure convinced me there’s no misogyny in gaming! And that tweet sure convinced me that this is all about teh journamalistic integriteeeeeee…

GrumpyOldMan
6 years ago

I am not myself a gamer (my wife and son are, to some extent), but in the course of chasing around the various right-wing attempts to claim that Obama is deliberately bringing Ebola to the US (or in fact ordered the current strain of the virus to be engineered), I came across a couple of commentaries on Gamergate. I don’t think there is anything these people say that hasn’t been said many times here, but I thought people might be interested that there seems to be fairly strong support for the opinions that are generally expressed here.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/8/6919179/stop-supporting-gamergate

http://business.financialpost.com/2014/10/11/serious-question-if-you-are-concerned-about-journalistic-ethics-why-are-you-a-part-of-gamergate/?__lsa=1b31-19ec

Dennis Jernberg (@dennis_jernberg)

Gor RPG. This is the kind of thing the GamerGaters want to destroy casual games and women-in-gaming for. Gor represents what MRAs want women to be. Figures.

FATAL on the other hand — now there’s something completely off the rails (I mean like, roll 20d100 to injure a man’s vagina without breaking his skin — wtf?). Kinda like GamerGate itself…

Another Holocene Human
Another Holocene Human
6 years ago

“Julian Assange, wikileaks guy and probable rapist” ya “probable” rapist, the man is wanted on sexual assault charges in Sweden and GB was going to extradite so he is pissing his pants holed up in a fucking South American embassy in London and writing conspiracy theories about the CIA and NSA and whatever the fuck so you’ll confuse him with Angela fucking Davis or something if you’re still a confused lefty who thinks he’s a great guy because he said something critical about the USA MIC.

He said something positive about #gamergate because OF COURSE he did.

What Assange is accused of doing but refuses to face his accuser in a court of law even though he would probably do less time in a candy-ass Scandinavian prison than he’s already done trapped eating and shitting in a fucking office building for diplomats like a right prat is the very thing that George Will and other Serious Conservative Thinkers were anger-fapping out loud about California making illegal (even though actually they just excluded some defenses in state college academic disciplinary boards, ie the people who can expel you for conduct; it would have been nice if they had tackled the criminal code as well).

Hope my language isn’t too crude. These people really disgust me.

Another Holocene Human
Another Holocene Human
6 years ago

Isn’t Gor all heterosexist and transphobic or whatever the kids are calling it these days?

For that matter, isn’t all the “oo la la” stuff your parents used to buy hidden in brown paper bags in the 70s (Harrad Experiment, Kama Sutra, Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex* But Were Afraid To Ask, etc) the same way?

Another Holocene Human
Another Holocene Human
6 years ago

@Bernardo Soares, that open connection between FPS dev and war materiel manufacturers is astounding.

vaiyt
6 years ago

Gor is definitely a step above ordinary vileness.

Alex M
Alex M
6 years ago

@Another Holocene Human

Assange’s concern is that he’d be promptly extradited to the United States and then spend the rest of his life in prison with a specific court order forbidding internet access.

Bogdan Cvetkovic
6 years ago

I did bring up GamerGate on my twitter. One guy showed up and linked this article. I find it admirable that it tries to be balanced, but it still gets a lot wrong.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/10/09/the_gender_games_sex_lies_and_videogames_124244.html

I found the paragraph comparing “social justice warriors” to Maoist Red Guards to be very lulzy. Indeed, we should be afraid they never have any real power. Why, they would install a communist regime where everyone would be heckled about oppression and privilege. The horror. It’s worse than genocide, I tell you.

But the mob of harassers, the ones who crapflood their targets with so many death and rape threats women leave their careers and houses? Nah, they’re not the real threat. They’re not the zealous cultists. We shouldn’t be scared of them. Thank Zeus they don’t actually have the power to take on their actions.

And the fact that GamerGate is not about attacking Zoe Quinn is completely wrong. The whole “Quinnspiracy” in the first place was started by people trying to dig up as many things as possible to accuse her. As we know there is definitive proof that the 4chan trolls planned for days on end to coordinate attacks and ruin her life and lives of her friends and relatives. And they also tried many times en masse to fake being women and POC like in Operation Lollipop.

You could argue that some people tried to dissuade the trolls from attacking her, but a lot of Gamer Gate supporters aren’t that keen on cleaning house, but more keen on defending the image of GamerGate as not really being misogynist. They also refuse to take on a new label. Their current label, the “movement”, began with trolls on 4chan who wanted to ruin people’s lives.

Anyway, Rebecca Watson made a video showing actual corruption in gaming journalism that Gamer Gate doesn’t really talk about. Notice how a lot of the real corruption in journalism is done by large companies, not the indie gamers. But all the ire is directed at indie gamers and the “social justice warriors”. The whole thing sounds more like wanting to attack perceived “outsiders” while being loyal to large corporations.

Unsurprisingly, it got a torrent of downvotes. It’s quite reminiscent of the creationist votebots in the days of old. How so many atheists on YouTube fail to notice it is beyond me.

Bernardo Soares
Bernardo Soares
6 years ago

@Holocene
Yes. it was of course always clear that especially games like CoD, Battlefield or Arma cater to a military fetish, but they have gone far beyond that. In trying to be as authentic as possible, they simulate the newest weapons and military technology. Of course, this can only work in collaboration with the armament manufacturers, as those have the copyright on the original designs.

Sometimes, you can find references to these collaborations in the credits. Some of the manufacturers deny such a collaboration (Heckler & Koch, for example), but the gun designs have been copied so meticulously that their claim beggars belief.

Some developers (Crytek) have sold their game engines to armies who use them to develop training software as well as software for use in posttraumatic care for soldiers (see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XngMr4uHAj0) Bohemia Interactive, as mentioned, is actually one part of a company. The other part develops military training software (and seems to earn more money doing that), uses the Arma engine and knowledge and code are exchanged between the two.

Of course, I’m sure many Gamergaters don’t have a problem with that, have probably exactly the military fetish these developers actively cater to and wouldn’t see it as corruption, as it doesn’t involve women who make games about empathy they don’t like.

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

@Another Holocene Human

Assange’s concern is that he’d be promptly extradited to the United States and then spend the rest of his life in prison with a specific court order forbidding internet access.

No, it’s not. Before this happened, Assange applied for Swedish citizenship, specifically because he knew it was one of the countries least likely to extradite him to the US. So the whole “they’ll send me to the US” claim is utter bullshit.

His concern is that he’ll be convicted of rape. And that even his supporters will get to see what a loathsome toerag he truly is.

Hyatt
Hyatt
6 years ago

You could argue that some people tried to dissuade the trolls from attacking her, but a lot of Gamer Gate supporters aren’t that keen on cleaning house, but more keen on defending the image of GamerGate as not really being misogynist.

That. Exactly that. And part of their defending GG as not misogynist is justifying and excusing the anti-feminist/misogynist things other GGers say.

strivingally
6 years ago

The Gators remind me of MRAs, the way they think that calling someone misogynistic is unpardonable but being misogynistic is fine.

It’s like that old Lisak and Millar research that says rapists are happy to admit they’re rapists, as long as you don’t use the R-word. As if the word matters more than the actions it describes.

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

I just looked at that Patreon for the proposed Sarkeesian Effect video. Apparently they’re up to almost $8600 monthly in pledges, which is over 50% of their initial goal for when they start filming. I guess it’s true what they say: a fool and his money are soon parted.

Kootiepatra
Kootiepatra
6 years ago

@Sarah – My brain short-circuits trying to figure out how anyone feels good about those pledges. Firstly because the documentary looks creepy and terrible. But secondly, one of their big gripes about Sarkeesian is how she got soooooo much more money than she needed just to make a handful of videos.

Anita Sarkeesian initially asked for $6k. For the whole project.

Now, people *gave* her a lot more than that, but these dudes are asking for roughly triple the amount per month, for one documentary, that she asked for, one time for an entire series.

Fools and their money indeed.

vaiyt
6 years ago

By all means, I want them to make their docummentary. It’s going to be a hoot, like the Expelled of whiny nerdery.

Tyra Lith
Tyra Lith
6 years ago

@Bernardo: damn, I didn’t know that the german pirates’ party is that bad.
The AfD… well… They had this “campaign” where they copied the “I don’t need feminism because”-women from poland, right?

wow, that “wieviel gleichberechtigung verträgt das land”-blog is absolutely awful. the “quotes”… argh. I will never understand how it is possible for some men to be so afraid of and so offended by women seeking equality/liberation.

strivingally
6 years ago

A sociological researcher was brigaded by GamerGate for daring to survey gamers about their attitudes to diversity. As she herself says, she would’ve gladly welcomed the data had the GGers answered honestly. Instead she got this onslaught of assholes fucking up her response collection just because they could.

When the only way you can think of to make a difference is to break stuff, it doesn’t matter how nicely you dress it up and convince yourself you’re a good guy – to impartial observers you look like an ass.

Dipshit Knight
Dipshit Knight
6 years ago

Congratulations. You’ve successfully made yourself into another person’s sounding board. Despite the amount of tweets you’ve reused and recycled in order to make what could dubiously be described as a ‘point’ you have failed to properly illustrate why the gamergate argument is not a two-sided one.

As grotesque and incomprehensible it may be to your personal sensibilities, every argument and debate had two sides and both sides deserve equally attention and fair coverage.

I am unimpressed with either this blog or the blogger’s abilities as a writer

Bogdan Cvetkovic
6 years ago

A post script to my rant from before, one of my relatives was sexually assaulted at work. The assaulter lied with a straight face how he didn’t do anything, and then proceeded to dig up as much dirt as he could about my relative to try to invalidate anything she says.

Sounds familiar?

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

I am unimpressed with either this blog or the blogger’s abilities as a writer

Despite all your sesquipedalian bafflegab and polysyllabic gibberish, I am unimpressed with either your comment or your abilities as a commenter.

How do you like THEM apples?

Puddleglum
6 years ago

@Bina, at least this troll named zirself well!

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Dipshit Knight

As grotesque and incomprehensible it may be to your personal sensibilities, every argument and debate had two sides and both sides deserve equally attention and fair coverage.

Teach the controversy! Evolution vs. Intelligent Design! Abolitionists vs. the KKK! Both sides deserve equal attention and fair coverage, which is to say, Intelligent Design and the KKK are both full of shit and need to bugger off.

That’s what you meant, right?

vaiyt
6 years ago

@Dipshit Knight

Every argument has two sides. Sometimes, one of those sides is wrong.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

Did Sir Dipshit seriously just unironically pull the “two sides” thing that mainstream media is routinely lambasted for? Wow.

Also, good luck arguing about #gamergate’s actual goal, Mr. Dipshit. Like the MRM, it’s very simple to declare a noble goal that your pet movement claims to strive for. And, also like the MRM, it’s very simple to show that the actual actions of that movement do nothing but harass.

Hyatt
Hyatt
6 years ago

For over a month, most of the information and updates I got about GamerGate was from an active, proud participant who honestly believes it’s about journalistic ethics and ending bullying of dissenting voices in the industry. Even with that pro-GG slant, I was never fully comfortable with it, and I’ve been getting more and more uneasy.

If pro-GG people want to take anything away from that, maybe it’s that “telling both sides” won’t actually paint you in a better light. And maybe that’s not because everything is biased against you, but that the movement has some serious fundamental issues that are poisoning your messages.

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

Congratulations. You’ve successfully made yourself into another person’s sounding board. Despite the amount of tweets you’ve reused and recycled in order to make what could dubiously be described as a ‘point’ you have failed to properly illustrate why the gamergate argument is not a two-sided one.

As grotesque and incomprehensible it may be to your personal sensibilities, every argument and debate had two sides and both sides deserve equally attention and fair coverage.

This was literally the first tweet posted to the gamergate hashtag.

https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/504801169638567936

As you can see, it links a slut-shaming video targeting Zoe Quinn. The supposed corruption involving her sleeping with a journalist to get a favorable review for her game has been de-bunked multiple times. The allegations have been shown to be total bullshit multiple times. Which means that the “other side” is literally mucking around in the sex life of someone of whom they had never heard two months ago.

*sips coffee* What was that you were saying? Something about how both “sides” of an issue deserve equal attention?