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A Voice for Men's Alison Tieman: Winning women the vote was “Feminism's first act of female supremacy.”

I don’t often write about Alison Tieman – the eccentric FeMRA videoblogger known better as Typhon Blue – in large part because, well, have you ever watched one of her videos? Her arguments and assertions bear so little relation to what the rest of us know as reality it’s as if she lives in some weird inverted world of her own making.

It’s rather difficult to address the arguments of someone when virtually everything she says is wrong – logically, historically, morally – in some fundamental way.

But I’m going to have a go at her latest video anyway, because, well, it’s only 4 minutes long, which will make unpacking its fractal wrongness a little less of a daunting task. Also, there’s a kitty in it.

In the video, Tieman, in the guise of “Professor Hamster,” makes the startling claim that Women’s Suffrage was “Feminism’s first act of female supremacy.”

How, you might wonder, does equality at the ballot box count as “female supremacy?”

Well, according to Tieman – one of A Voice for Men’s self-proclaimed Honey Badgers – it’s because women (at least in the US) don’t have to register for the draft.

This is an old argument of hers, based on the strange belief that voting rights for men in the United States are contingent on them signing up for selective service, something that’s not, you know, true. She seems to be confusing the United States with the fictional universe of Starship Troopers, in which “Service Guarantees Citizenship.”

In any case, because suffragettes didn’t demand to be drafted when they demanded the vote their demand, Tieman concludes that they weren’t seeking equality but supremacy.

Never mind that at the time the notion of women being drafted would have struck the general public as absurd.

Never mind that when draft registration was being considered for reinstatement in 1981, the National Organization for Women sued to have registration expanded to women as well, because not requiring women to register would relegate them “to second-class citizenship by exclusion from a fundamental obligation of citizenship,” as the New York Times summarized their position.

Ultimately, over NOW’s objections, the Supreme Court ruled that registration could be restricted to men only. The all-male Supreme Court; the court didn’t get its first female Justice, Sandra Day O’Connor, until later that year.

For all of the hullabaloo, the requirement that men register for the draft is an essentially meaningless “obligation.” The draft is a dead issue in the US, about as likely to be revived as Jarts.

Tieman goes on to note that “female suffrage enabled women to vote for wars that only men had to fight in.” In fact, as anyone who’s paid any attention to real world politics knows well, women are consistently less likely than men to support war.

Tieman’s arguments about women’s suffrage are just bizarre. It’s when she starts talking about the civil rights movement that she moves beyond bizarre to offensive.

Throughout the video, she contrasts what she sees as the good and humble civil rights movement with the “privileged” and “entitled” suffragettes; it’s a strange and backwards argument, at odds with historical reality, and one that insults not only the suffragettes but our greatest civil rights heroes as well. “During the civil rights movement,” she proclaims,

black moderates believed that black people needed to EARN their civil rights. Extremists at the time believed that blacks people should receive their rights by virtue of being human beings. …

Minorities felt they had to earn their rights and often had to make enormous sacrifices in war prior to even having their requests for rights considered reasonable. Women felt they were simply owed. …

Minorities approached suffrage from the usual mentality of people who are actually oppressed: We have to earn everything, including citizenship rights. Whereas women approached the issue of suffrage from a mentality of privilege and entitlement: We are owed our rights.

Where even to start with this jumble of wrongness?

Let’s start with her most basic misapprehension, that human rights are something that have to be earned. In fact, the basic premise of human rights is that we have certain rights because we are human beings. This isn’t entitlement or extremism; it is the fundamental basis of democracy.

You would think that someone who calls herself a Men’s Human Rights Activist would have a better understanding of the rudiments of  human rights.

In the Declaration of Independence, you may recall, Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed “that all men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” He didn’t say they had to earn these rights; he said that they were born with them.

Granted, it took quite some time before this sentiment applied not only to white men but also to women and African-Americans, but this had nothing to do with anyone “earning” rights; it had to do with the fact that some human beings were seen as more human than others.

When Martin Luther King made his case for civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s, he harked back explicitly to Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence. In his most famous speech, delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington in 1963, he declared

In a sense we have come to our nation’s capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. …

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”

This was not the first time he had made this argument. In a 1957 speech also delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, he declared that

The denial of this sacred right [to vote] is a tragic betrayal of the highest mandates of our democratic traditions and its is democracy turned upside down.

So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind — it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact — I can only submit to the edict of others.

It’s our humanity, not a signature on a selective service registration form, that entitles all of us to the right to vote.

If the Men’s Rights Movement wants to campaign to end selective service registration, go for it. Just don’t pretend that this has anything to do with the right to vote. Or that demanding basic human rights is a sign of “entitlement,” much less “female supremacy.”

Also, maybe lose the stupid hat?

Below, a song that kept popping into my head as I tried to make sense of Tieman’s most peculiar views. Well, the chorus anyway; the rest of the lyrics don’t really fit.

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weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I said, ‘primate phase’ — in reference to our species being primitive animals and not having achieved our full potential yet. I believe we are capable of evolving and far beyond our current condition. What I have read in scientific journals (keep in mind that biology is not really my thing — I have more the theoretical physicist leanings), we are merely speculating by extrapolating upon observed chimpanzee and bonobo behaviours.

You do realize that we aren’t direct descendants of chimps and bonobos right? We share a common ancestor with them. The pan-homo split was IIRC about 6 million years ago and a lot of species have come and gone since then. Despite our similarities, we can only learn so much about humans from their behavior. Aggression in chimps does not prove that humans have innate assholish. Maybe we do, but Paleolithic cultures tended to be more egalitarian and communal than current human cultures which suggest that there are environmental factors contributing to selfish asshole behaviors. Factors like an abundance of food or capitalism being the current economic system we live in.

Is there no end to the supply of evo psych trolls on the internet?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

He claims that women have lost him from heterosexuality, but I suspect he may be giving us false hope there.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I hope that post wasn’t too word saladtastic. I’m on day 8 of my 9 day work week and am exhausted. I barely know my name, what day it is or what city I’m in so I’m a little surprised I can post at all.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

And the MRAs are so well known for their support of LGBT people.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Evo psych trolls are the worst.

Goodnight everyone.

kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

I have millionaire leanings. It really is odd how the bank refuses to accept this as evidence of why they should lend me the money to buy an island.

If you tell them the island is where you’re deporting everyone from the scrotosphere, maybe they’ll lend you the money.

mildlymagnificent
10 years ago

we are merely speculating by extrapolating upon observed chimpanzee and bonobo behaviours. And most chimps are assholes to each other.

If ya wanna evo-psych us here, ya need to get this stuff a bit straighter. Bonobos may be chimp-like, but they don’t do that violence domination thing the way chimps do. And we can’t even be sure that the preference to deal with disagreements by way of sex/cooperation or by domination/violence is innate anyway.

http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/peace_among_primates

…is a reasonable, not-too-academic, overview of the idea that primates other than humans are also quite capable of living in peaceful, cooperative harmony. Violence is not inevitable, and it’s certainly not desirable as a basis for social organisation.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I tried telling them that the island was for the Reddit no gurls allowed treehouse, but they refused to believe that I’d need a loan if it was.

kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

They could have a point … it sounds the perfect project for Kickstarter or Patreon.

katz
10 years ago

How do we know that Westboro Baptists are assholes? Because most people don’t act like that. How do we know that chimps are aggressive? Because most people don’t act like that, either. If people generally acted like assholes, we wouldn’t have a concept of acting like an asshole because that would just be normal behavior.

thebeam2008
thebeam2008
10 years ago

Such fascination with a baseball cap…you guys like the greatest American sport ever invented either??

kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

Fuck off, dreary little troll. Run along now, evopsych loser.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

It’s a pity the professed interest in theoretical physics didn’t lend itself to the ability to examine the computer screen at the subatomic level and then work out which keys to hit in order to produce a grammatical sentence.

Given that the population that doesn’t play baseball is orders of magnitude larger than the population that does play baseball, and that baseball caps are worn by people who don’t play baseball, even assuming that 100% of baseball players wear baseball caps, mathematically most people who wear baseball caps aren’t baseball players. Ergo, commenting on a baseball cap doesn’t automatically equate to an interest in the sport.

kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

Don’t you just love the astonishment that people could possibly not like the Greatest Ammurrican Game Evah?

People being 1) indifferent and/or 2) not American (gasp!) are two more things the boy wonder here can’t imagine. Dumbass should crawl back under his rock.

katz
10 years ago

No, dude, we’re only commenting on your hat because its overexposed whiteness is the only thing in your photo that is noticeable. We are not baseball fans as a rule.

Kim
Kim
10 years ago

And c’mon dude, all we know about you is that you wear a baseball hat and have a sever case of Dunning Kruger. Of course we’re going to mock you for both those things.

Also, I have never seen baseball outside of a movie. I have seen cricket and that is godawful. Why would baseball be any better? (that was a rhetorical question btw – please don’t feel the need to talk about baseball)

gilshalos
10 years ago

I think baseball is worse than cricket, but then I like cricket.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
10 years ago

What does “I have more the theoretical physicist leanings” actually mean? I am genuinely curious.

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

I kind of see baseball is rounders with hot dogs for the spectators. Good if you’re in a relaxed mood and the weather is warm.

Cricket is, of course, the sacred game even if the sound of leather on willow sometimes sends me to sleep. Particularly on a sunny day with a gentle breeze.

vaiyt
10 years ago

If people generally acted like assholes, we wouldn’t have a concept of acting like an asshole because that would just be normal behavior.

Isn’t that what rape culture does? Normalizing asshole behavior leads to otherwise nice people having an enormous difficulty to understand the concept of a man acting like an asshole in a sexual context.

titianblue
titianblue
10 years ago

And vaiyt wins the Internetz.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Pro-social behavior is essential for everything from packs to civilization. Without it we naked, clawless apes would have died out long ago. People are social animals. We want to work together, in general. We have empathy, so it’s not normal for us to be oblivious to or enjoy other people’s suffering. Large numbers of unrelated humans can gather together peacefully and do things like watch baseball games in huge, crowded stadiums. Try doing that with Chimps and see what happens.

Why is it always the most ignorant doodz who think they have so much wisdom to impart to people about subjects they know less than nothing about?

Oh, right. Dunning-Kruger.

grumpyoldnurse
grumpyoldnurse
10 years ago

Try reading “Anarchist Morality” by Kropotkin. He talks about how whatever is good for the continuation of the social group is considered ‘good’ and whatever threatens the continuation of the social group is ‘bad’. So, according to Kropotkin, being an asshole is generally bad.

TLDR; what Lea said.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
10 years ago

Factors like an abundance of food or capitalism being the current economic system we live in.

Nah, there are plenty of cases of assholish societies that were/are low on food and weren’t/aren’t capitalist. Medieval feudalist communities; the British and Spanish empires; North Korea, the former Soviet Union and other communist countries; third-world dictatorships… However, what they and the Western world all have in common is patriarchy and misogyny. The more sexist a society is, the more assholish it is.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Well yeah, those were just a couple of examples. Not a definitive list.

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