I don’t often write about Alison Tieman – the eccentric FeMRA videoblogger known better as Typhon Blue – in large part because, well, have you ever watched one of her videos? Her arguments and assertions bear so little relation to what the rest of us know as reality it’s as if she lives in some weird inverted world of her own making.
It’s rather difficult to address the arguments of someone when virtually everything she says is wrong – logically, historically, morally – in some fundamental way.
But I’m going to have a go at her latest video anyway, because, well, it’s only 4 minutes long, which will make unpacking its fractal wrongness a little less of a daunting task. Also, there’s a kitty in it.
In the video, Tieman, in the guise of “Professor Hamster,” makes the startling claim that Women’s Suffrage was “Feminism’s first act of female supremacy.”
How, you might wonder, does equality at the ballot box count as “female supremacy?”
Well, according to Tieman – one of A Voice for Men’s self-proclaimed Honey Badgers – it’s because women (at least in the US) don’t have to register for the draft.
This is an old argument of hers, based on the strange belief that voting rights for men in the United States are contingent on them signing up for selective service, something that’s not, you know, true. She seems to be confusing the United States with the fictional universe of Starship Troopers, in which “Service Guarantees Citizenship.”
In any case, because suffragettes didn’t demand to be drafted when they demanded the vote their demand, Tieman concludes that they weren’t seeking equality but supremacy.
Never mind that at the time the notion of women being drafted would have struck the general public as absurd.
Never mind that when draft registration was being considered for reinstatement in 1981, the National Organization for Women sued to have registration expanded to women as well, because not requiring women to register would relegate them “to second-class citizenship by exclusion from a fundamental obligation of citizenship,” as the New York Times summarized their position.
Ultimately, over NOW’s objections, the Supreme Court ruled that registration could be restricted to men only. The all-male Supreme Court; the court didn’t get its first female Justice, Sandra Day O’Connor, until later that year.
For all of the hullabaloo, the requirement that men register for the draft is an essentially meaningless “obligation.” The draft is a dead issue in the US, about as likely to be revived as Jarts.
Tieman goes on to note that “female suffrage enabled women to vote for wars that only men had to fight in.” In fact, as anyone who’s paid any attention to real world politics knows well, women are consistently less likely than men to support war.
Tieman’s arguments about women’s suffrage are just bizarre. It’s when she starts talking about the civil rights movement that she moves beyond bizarre to offensive.
Throughout the video, she contrasts what she sees as the good and humble civil rights movement with the “privileged” and “entitled” suffragettes; it’s a strange and backwards argument, at odds with historical reality, and one that insults not only the suffragettes but our greatest civil rights heroes as well. “During the civil rights movement,” she proclaims,
black moderates believed that black people needed to EARN their civil rights. Extremists at the time believed that blacks people should receive their rights by virtue of being human beings. …
Minorities felt they had to earn their rights and often had to make enormous sacrifices in war prior to even having their requests for rights considered reasonable. Women felt they were simply owed. …
Minorities approached suffrage from the usual mentality of people who are actually oppressed: We have to earn everything, including citizenship rights. Whereas women approached the issue of suffrage from a mentality of privilege and entitlement: We are owed our rights.
Where even to start with this jumble of wrongness?
Let’s start with her most basic misapprehension, that human rights are something that have to be earned. In fact, the basic premise of human rights is that we have certain rights because we are human beings. This isn’t entitlement or extremism; it is the fundamental basis of democracy.
You would think that someone who calls herself a Men’s Human Rights Activist would have a better understanding of the rudiments of human rights.
In the Declaration of Independence, you may recall, Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed “that all men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” He didn’t say they had to earn these rights; he said that they were born with them.
Granted, it took quite some time before this sentiment applied not only to white men but also to women and African-Americans, but this had nothing to do with anyone “earning” rights; it had to do with the fact that some human beings were seen as more human than others.
When Martin Luther King made his case for civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s, he harked back explicitly to Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence. In his most famous speech, delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington in 1963, he declared
In a sense we have come to our nation’s capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. …
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”
This was not the first time he had made this argument. In a 1957 speech also delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, he declared that
The denial of this sacred right [to vote] is a tragic betrayal of the highest mandates of our democratic traditions and its is democracy turned upside down.
So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind — it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact — I can only submit to the edict of others.
It’s our humanity, not a signature on a selective service registration form, that entitles all of us to the right to vote.
If the Men’s Rights Movement wants to campaign to end selective service registration, go for it. Just don’t pretend that this has anything to do with the right to vote. Or that demanding basic human rights is a sign of “entitlement,” much less “female supremacy.”
Also, maybe lose the stupid hat?
Below, a song that kept popping into my head as I tried to make sense of Tieman’s most peculiar views. Well, the chorus anyway; the rest of the lyrics don’t really fit.
BTW, the vagina is not an external sex organ unless some sort of prolapse has occurred. Just FYI, since I’m guessing you’re not too familiar with them. Also, humans are primates.
Science, it’s really hard! Maybe you should leave it to the smart people, huh?
Another arrangement of that old folk song, “I Don’t Know What You’re Talking About, But Let Me Explain It to You”. 4/10, it’s got a good beat but I can’t dance to it, needs more theremin.
If we made it harder to vote then more people would vote! This has been today’s edition of Politics for Dummies.
Oh, history lesson time!
“The 15th Amendment to the Constitution granted African American men the right to vote by declaring that the “right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.” Although ratified on February 3, 1870, the promise of the 15th Amendment would not be fully realized for almost a century. Through the use of poll taxes, literacy tests and other means, Southern states were able to effectively disenfranchise African Americans. It would take the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 before the majority of African Americans in the South were registered to vote.”
Also, maybe if there were fewer rules that end up disproportionately barring minorities who are citizens from voting, that might also help.
Seriously, why are convicts and ex-convicts(?) disenfranchised in the US?
I’m sure it’s just a total coincidence that the people who wouldn’t have the time and/or energy to do whatever service work is required to earn the vote would just happen to be less privileged people. People who cobble together a living from two or three low paying part jobs in the service industry who don’t have reliable schedules. Lower income mothers juggling kids and work with little to no help. Disabled or mentally ill people. All those undesirables who might not vote for the big business approved candidates.
Another voter suppression trick is to put too few voting machines/ballot boxes in neighborhoods with a lot of POC voters in hopes that the long lines will act as a deterrent.
You read the tagline. Congratulations.
I said, ‘primate phase’ — in reference to our species being primitive animals and not having achieved our full potential yet. I believe we are capable of evolving and far beyond our current condition. What I have read in scientific journals (keep in mind that biology is not really my thing — I have more the theoretical physicist leanings), we are merely speculating by extrapolating upon observed chimpanzee and bonobo behaviours. And most chimps are assholes to each other.
@cassandrakitty this blog makes me want to be less familiar with them, I will grant you that. At least the aggravated ones here.
@the green fractal girl Shiraz, ‘Go to feminism 101’ — because that seems like a really inviting place. No thank you. I didn’t google ‘manosphere’ either. But since you asked,
“…humans are barely out of their primate phase and treat each other awfully in general.”
According to who? Citation?
While I am tempted to cite the Westboro Baptist Church, I will instead cite this blog and how people are treating each other in an awful way, in general.
I suspect baseball hat guy has read/watched Starship Troopers and not realised it was satire.
He also seems to be living in a perfect world where everyone is born equal and treated equal and any difference in success is because of what they do.
For your reference baseball hat guy, this is what’s called privilege blindness. Perhaps you should do some research before you come waltzing in here showing your ignorant arse and expecting to be fawned over.
Hey everyone, we’re being rude. Baseball cap guy said so. Also, he called me “green fractal girl Shiraz.”
Weak, duder. I asked an actual honest question based on your own claim that the human race fucks each other over based on innate — blah-blah. Own it. You posted that shit, not me.
I am completely astonished to discover this.
Oh, please let this turn into a game of “guess what everyone’s avatar represents.” Although I’ll be sad that I got rid of my Halloween avatar and am no longer “black and purple three-eyed cat Katz.”
Pulling assfax out of your butt is nothing like theoretical physicist leanings. Or do you mean that you are into crystal power and drink water that has been endowed with quantum energy, or perhaps you simply meant that you enjoyed the last two Star Trek movies, or perhaps…
aliens didit? We only use 10% of our brain? Evolution is directed towards a certain endpoint? You like the X-Men comics?
Nope, haven’t seen any extrapolation there on this blog, so there’s no “we” buddy.
And us mocking MRAs and feMRAs is totes worse than the way they call for women to lose the rights we have now. Have you read the shite that Paul Elam writes, like advocating physical violence against female partners and ex-partners? Or the history revisionism that they do that writes women outside of the (direct and indirect) effects of war? Or any of the shite around child support and how men shouldn’t have to help contribute to the cost of their children once a relationship breaks up?
Fuck off.
If you were to avoid vaginas from now on that would be a win for womankind, baseball hat dude. I highly encourage you to consider that as an option, in fact!
I am amused that you think the women here are literally vaginas that have mysteriously acquired the power of speech, though. I wonder where the vocal chords go?
We are still primate and will always be primates. That said, the best way to understand people is to study people, not other animals.
You are contradicting yourself though
Premise 1: you think humans are horrible to each other and it is our natural state to be horrible and struggle for power.
Premise 2: you think a system where getting a say in how your life is run should be earnt, and it’s other humans who get to decide whether you have that privilege is a good idea.
Given premise 1, do you really think that system could be fair?
Actually, we don’t treat each other in “an an awful way” around here.
You failed science and history and wanted us to call you a genius. Sorry. Not happening, bubba.
It’s weird, I’ve never met a dumb physicist before. I guess baseball cap dude must have got his physics degree from the same place people get the internet lawyers that they always threaten to sue people who’re being mean to them via.
Riddle me this, white sweatband dude thebeam2008: What is your standard of good behavior compared to which humans are treating each other awfully? Are you comparing us to animals?
Oh, is it a baseball hat? I thought it was a sweatband.
Ah, but he didn’t say he was a physicist, he said:
which is why I mocked him the way I did. 🙂
Given he can’t biology, psychology/sociology, or evolution, I doubt whether he can math enough for theoretical physics.
Could be a sweatband. Maybe he comes to us from the 80s, or he’s in his Jimmy Conners Halloween costume.
I have millionaire leanings. It really is odd how the bank refuses to accept this as evidence of why they should lend me the money to buy an island.
I also have astronaut leanings, but does NASA care? No, they do not, those insensitive assholes.
Oh, I’ll just leave this here.
http://www.civilrights.org/resources/civilrights101/voting.html
As a non-American, I do wonder sometimes why some people in the US hold the US up to be the pinnacle of democracy.
The troll has competence leanings. It really is odd how no-one here thinks the troll is competent. How dare we!
Have I now lost another person from feminism? I haven’t lost any for a while, I’m scared I’m losing my touch.