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A Voice for Men's Alison Tieman: Winning women the vote was “Feminism's first act of female supremacy.”

I don’t often write about Alison Tieman – the eccentric FeMRA videoblogger known better as Typhon Blue – in large part because, well, have you ever watched one of her videos? Her arguments and assertions bear so little relation to what the rest of us know as reality it’s as if she lives in some weird inverted world of her own making.

It’s rather difficult to address the arguments of someone when virtually everything she says is wrong – logically, historically, morally – in some fundamental way.

But I’m going to have a go at her latest video anyway, because, well, it’s only 4 minutes long, which will make unpacking its fractal wrongness a little less of a daunting task. Also, there’s a kitty in it.

In the video, Tieman, in the guise of “Professor Hamster,” makes the startling claim that Women’s Suffrage was “Feminism’s first act of female supremacy.”

How, you might wonder, does equality at the ballot box count as “female supremacy?”

Well, according to Tieman – one of A Voice for Men’s self-proclaimed Honey Badgers – it’s because women (at least in the US) don’t have to register for the draft.

This is an old argument of hers, based on the strange belief that voting rights for men in the United States are contingent on them signing up for selective service, something that’s not, you know, true. She seems to be confusing the United States with the fictional universe of Starship Troopers, in which “Service Guarantees Citizenship.”

In any case, because suffragettes didn’t demand to be drafted when they demanded the vote their demand, Tieman concludes that they weren’t seeking equality but supremacy.

Never mind that at the time the notion of women being drafted would have struck the general public as absurd.

Never mind that when draft registration was being considered for reinstatement in 1981, the National Organization for Women sued to have registration expanded to women as well, because not requiring women to register would relegate them “to second-class citizenship by exclusion from a fundamental obligation of citizenship,” as the New York Times summarized their position.

Ultimately, over NOW’s objections, the Supreme Court ruled that registration could be restricted to men only. The all-male Supreme Court; the court didn’t get its first female Justice, Sandra Day O’Connor, until later that year.

For all of the hullabaloo, the requirement that men register for the draft is an essentially meaningless “obligation.” The draft is a dead issue in the US, about as likely to be revived as Jarts.

Tieman goes on to note that “female suffrage enabled women to vote for wars that only men had to fight in.” In fact, as anyone who’s paid any attention to real world politics knows well, women are consistently less likely than men to support war.

Tieman’s arguments about women’s suffrage are just bizarre. It’s when she starts talking about the civil rights movement that she moves beyond bizarre to offensive.

Throughout the video, she contrasts what she sees as the good and humble civil rights movement with the “privileged” and “entitled” suffragettes; it’s a strange and backwards argument, at odds with historical reality, and one that insults not only the suffragettes but our greatest civil rights heroes as well. “During the civil rights movement,” she proclaims,

black moderates believed that black people needed to EARN their civil rights. Extremists at the time believed that blacks people should receive their rights by virtue of being human beings. …

Minorities felt they had to earn their rights and often had to make enormous sacrifices in war prior to even having their requests for rights considered reasonable. Women felt they were simply owed. …

Minorities approached suffrage from the usual mentality of people who are actually oppressed: We have to earn everything, including citizenship rights. Whereas women approached the issue of suffrage from a mentality of privilege and entitlement: We are owed our rights.

Where even to start with this jumble of wrongness?

Let’s start with her most basic misapprehension, that human rights are something that have to be earned. In fact, the basic premise of human rights is that we have certain rights because we are human beings. This isn’t entitlement or extremism; it is the fundamental basis of democracy.

You would think that someone who calls herself a Men’s Human Rights Activist would have a better understanding of the rudiments of  human rights.

In the Declaration of Independence, you may recall, Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed “that all men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” He didn’t say they had to earn these rights; he said that they were born with them.

Granted, it took quite some time before this sentiment applied not only to white men but also to women and African-Americans, but this had nothing to do with anyone “earning” rights; it had to do with the fact that some human beings were seen as more human than others.

When Martin Luther King made his case for civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s, he harked back explicitly to Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence. In his most famous speech, delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington in 1963, he declared

In a sense we have come to our nation’s capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. …

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”

This was not the first time he had made this argument. In a 1957 speech also delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, he declared that

The denial of this sacred right [to vote] is a tragic betrayal of the highest mandates of our democratic traditions and its is democracy turned upside down.

So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind — it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact — I can only submit to the edict of others.

It’s our humanity, not a signature on a selective service registration form, that entitles all of us to the right to vote.

If the Men’s Rights Movement wants to campaign to end selective service registration, go for it. Just don’t pretend that this has anything to do with the right to vote. Or that demanding basic human rights is a sign of “entitlement,” much less “female supremacy.”

Also, maybe lose the stupid hat?

Below, a song that kept popping into my head as I tried to make sense of Tieman’s most peculiar views. Well, the chorus anyway; the rest of the lyrics don’t really fit.

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GrumpyOldMan
10 years ago

Ikeke35: Don’t forget that we have one political party that is doing everything in power to nurture an irrational sense of grievance on the part of white people against poor people in general and people of color in particular. People aren’t necessarily thinking this grievance up all by themselves. They’re getting a lot of help.

damselindetech
10 years ago

Go with zombies. There’s absolutely no scientific basis for zombies.

http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html

I mean 5. There are only 5 scientific reasons zombies are coming.
Maybe go with new Coke.

Oh, Shaun. You’ve been following my Netflix queue again, haven’t you?

YoullNeverGuess
10 years ago

The video is awesome because it clearly shows that Mia, her cat, is very disturbed by her owner’s sophistry.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
10 years ago

@ YoullNeverGuess:

Mhm. And (or?), as I believe, it is Tieman’s sneaky contribution to David’s Confused Cats Against Feminism.

David, maybe you should include the video in CCAF. It is unintentionally perfect.

Mnemosyne
Mnemosyne
10 years ago

Ever since learning about the Manosphere, I’ve been worried that they would somehow succeed in repealing the 19th Amendment. I really hope my fear is, and will continue to be an irrational one.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

A repeal of the 19th amendment would require congress passing it and 2/3 of the states ratifying it. I don’t see that happening. I’m more concerned about the crap American women already face like low rape conviction rates, lack of guaranteed paid maternity leave, wage gap, street harassment and of course abortion restrictions. The manosphere is big enough to harm individual women through internet harassment and they contribute to the culture of misogyny but they aren’t big enough to organize a real movement.

Holy crap the abortion restrictions are making me rage. Nothing has happened in my state recently because we have a Democratic governor and legislature (and I am working hard to keep it that way). But TX and AL this week have me in a table flipping state.

Did everyone read about the new law in Alabama? If an underage girl wants to get an abortion without parental permission she has to go to trial to prove she’s fit to make the decision. The people she know will testify. This includes people who she hadn’t previously disclosed her pregnancy to. The state will provide a lawyer for the fetus. That’s right. The fetus gets a lawyer. No word on whether the girl will get a free lawyer to represent her interests. The state could not have made it more clear that they don’t regard girls as human beings but as incubators. Oh an of course, the state can delay and appeal and basically run out the clock until it is too late to get an abortion.

How the fuck can anyone claim feminism is no longer needed or women have the power and men are oppressed when shit like this happens? Fortunately the ACLU has filed a lawsuit. The fact that the government wants to disclose the pregnancies to people the girls don’t want being told has to be a violation of medical privacy laws.

anonny
anonny
10 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger

Disclosure, I have no special expertise in sociology. But just from some of the comments above by you, grumpy old man, ikeke35, menmosyne, and kittehserf, I get the idea that all this is a backlash against feminist progress in freeing women from male control, that AVFM is the extreme crackpot front, that abortion restrictions are a mainstream political/legal form of the backlash, and that the ever-flowing atavistic attitude that women are not quite human is the engine.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Anonny,
In the US at least, it’s also a conscious strategy on the part of the religious right. They’ve conceded defeat in the battle to stop same sex marriage. They keep up the pretense but know they lost. So they’re focusing their efforts on reproductive rights.
I’m on my phone right now but will try to dig up some links when I get home. This is something a prominent Christian supremacist has admitted to.

Aerinea
Aerinea
10 years ago

xyz, the ignorance most people have about ASD, and Aspergers in particular, even has some MRA types claiming Aspergers as an excuse for their gaslighting and boundary ignoring. Yes, picking up social cues can be difficult for those of us on the spectrum. No, it doesn’t mean that we’re incapable of empathy. Don’t excuse misogynistic behavior by letting these people hide behind the banner of being neurodivergent. Even if they are on the spectrum.

Also, I find a lot of Simon Baron-Cohen’s Theory of Mind work in autism is really insulting and ableist.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
10 years ago

“Did everyone read about the new law in Alabama?”

One more completely fucked up part you didn’t mention is that even though the law pertains solely to underage girls, there doesn’t seem to be any part of it that involves the fathers, no matter who he is or how young she is, past “Do you or do you not want your innocent gift from God to meet the cold end of a murderer’s tools” (I’ve been searching for a solid hour now to no avail). It doesn’t just slut-shame, it might even slut-shame incest and statutory rape victims and let their rapists off scott free.

What the fuck is wrong with Republican politicians.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Yeah, that too. There’s so many layers of wrong that it’s practically impossible to remember it all.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
10 years ago

WWTH – spot on. The religious right have admitted their goal is to gradually erode Roe v. Wade. After 40+ years, they still haven’t managed to get the Supreme Court to overturn it outright, so they’re using the tactic of chipping away at it, piece by piece. “Oh sure, you have the right to an abortion…but we’re going to make it very, very difficult for you to exercise that right.” It’s the same strategy behind all the Republican-sponsored voter suppression laws aimed at making it harder for minorities to vote. They’re still pissed off about the Civil Rights Act, and this is their payback. Of course you can vote, nonwhite people…just stand in line for six hours on a weekday with three forms of ID, while we intimidate and harrass you and challenge your eligibility. Have fun!

I would love to see a similar strategy used for meaningful gun control – something like “hey, you can have all the guns you want, but bullets are gonna cost you $50 each” – but thanks to the NRA, the Second Amendment is all but untouchable. Guns have more legal protections than women in this country.

Shaun DarthBatman Day
10 years ago

“Oh, Shaun. You’ve been following my Netflix queue again, haven’t you?”

There’s a New Coke movie on Netflix?

Shaun DarthBatman Day
10 years ago

Side note, the use of “derp” is also ableist. How many unicorns in the Mammoth garden?

Shaun DarthBatman Day
10 years ago

samantha, you look like you have really nice brai-ai-ai-ains. Mike the headless what now? *furiously googles*

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

A Florida state legislator once stated that maybe his wife should incorporate her uterus so she can have full rights over what happens to it. Corporations have more personhood rights than women and girls too.

I think my favorite protest sign I’ve ever seen is “I’ll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.”

Shaun DarthBatman Day
10 years ago

Partially on topic, but really OT; This was my favourite ever personal ad.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2008/12/11-zombie-personal.jpg

Kakanian
Kakanian
10 years ago

@Save The Queen

I only learned about Canadians and their stance on First Nation folks through an article in a woman’s mag about somebody who married one and french comics. There really is pretty much zero awareness about the issue outside of Canada.

Save The Queen
Save The Queen
10 years ago

@Kakanian

There’s pretty much zero awareness about the issue inside Canada either. It’s a topic that only really gets talked about inside universities or when First Nations loudly assert their rights to difference and ancestral lands (and the extent of the discussion in the latter case is that they’re “whiny” and need to get over it). It’s getting a little better though. A book called Clearing the Plains by James Daschuk has gained some popular traction. The problem is the author explicitly describes Canada’s relationship with indigenous peoples as genocidal, which is a sensationalist interpretation if you’ve seen the primary documents its based on. It’s great for producing awareness that Canada has a not had a completely stellar past with its minority groups, not so great if you actually want reconcile the huge gulf that exists between two peoples.

Ellesar
10 years ago

I guess TieMadWoman has forgone her right to vote then, embroiled as it is in female supremacy.

kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

Shaun, that ad is the BEST.

pecunium
10 years ago

Also at the time… there was no draft: so she is saying women ought to have been demanding a burden which men didn’t share.

Hella equal that is.

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

I just spent four minutes listening to a muddled, historically inaccurate, sad ass attempt at a “checkmate, feminists!” from a smug racist woman in an egg chair.

Those weren’t the four longest minutes of my life, but they sure were loooong.

I’m forever indebted to a WHTM poster from Calgary, whose handle I don’t remember, that reminisced about being in a creative writing group with this doofus. I’m still entertained how Typhon Blue tapping her inner muse gets you story consisting of an endless conversation between a priest and a nun about how awful and inferior women are. BTW, the priest and nun are flying through space. (That’s presumably the creative writing part.)

Noadi
Noadi
10 years ago

Also, I find a lot of Simon Baron-Cohen’s Theory of Mind work in autism is really insulting and ableist.

Also contradicted by a lot of other research on autism and often based on sample sizes so small that the results may not even be statistically significant.

Olive O'Sudden
Olive O'Sudden
10 years ago

I only made it to about a minute and a half in before I found myself nodding off from the combination of her soothing, nonsensical talking and the hypnotic gaze of the cat.