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A Voice for Men's Alison Tieman: Winning women the vote was “Feminism's first act of female supremacy.”

I don’t often write about Alison Tieman – the eccentric FeMRA videoblogger known better as Typhon Blue – in large part because, well, have you ever watched one of her videos? Her arguments and assertions bear so little relation to what the rest of us know as reality it’s as if she lives in some weird inverted world of her own making.

It’s rather difficult to address the arguments of someone when virtually everything she says is wrong – logically, historically, morally – in some fundamental way.

But I’m going to have a go at her latest video anyway, because, well, it’s only 4 minutes long, which will make unpacking its fractal wrongness a little less of a daunting task. Also, there’s a kitty in it.

In the video, Tieman, in the guise of “Professor Hamster,” makes the startling claim that Women’s Suffrage was “Feminism’s first act of female supremacy.”

How, you might wonder, does equality at the ballot box count as “female supremacy?”

Well, according to Tieman – one of A Voice for Men’s self-proclaimed Honey Badgers – it’s because women (at least in the US) don’t have to register for the draft.

This is an old argument of hers, based on the strange belief that voting rights for men in the United States are contingent on them signing up for selective service, something that’s not, you know, true. She seems to be confusing the United States with the fictional universe of Starship Troopers, in which “Service Guarantees Citizenship.”

In any case, because suffragettes didn’t demand to be drafted when they demanded the vote their demand, Tieman concludes that they weren’t seeking equality but supremacy.

Never mind that at the time the notion of women being drafted would have struck the general public as absurd.

Never mind that when draft registration was being considered for reinstatement in 1981, the National Organization for Women sued to have registration expanded to women as well, because not requiring women to register would relegate them “to second-class citizenship by exclusion from a fundamental obligation of citizenship,” as the New York Times summarized their position.

Ultimately, over NOW’s objections, the Supreme Court ruled that registration could be restricted to men only. The all-male Supreme Court; the court didn’t get its first female Justice, Sandra Day O’Connor, until later that year.

For all of the hullabaloo, the requirement that men register for the draft is an essentially meaningless “obligation.” The draft is a dead issue in the US, about as likely to be revived as Jarts.

Tieman goes on to note that “female suffrage enabled women to vote for wars that only men had to fight in.” In fact, as anyone who’s paid any attention to real world politics knows well, women are consistently less likely than men to support war.

Tieman’s arguments about women’s suffrage are just bizarre. It’s when she starts talking about the civil rights movement that she moves beyond bizarre to offensive.

Throughout the video, she contrasts what she sees as the good and humble civil rights movement with the “privileged” and “entitled” suffragettes; it’s a strange and backwards argument, at odds with historical reality, and one that insults not only the suffragettes but our greatest civil rights heroes as well. “During the civil rights movement,” she proclaims,

black moderates believed that black people needed to EARN their civil rights. Extremists at the time believed that blacks people should receive their rights by virtue of being human beings. …

Minorities felt they had to earn their rights and often had to make enormous sacrifices in war prior to even having their requests for rights considered reasonable. Women felt they were simply owed. …

Minorities approached suffrage from the usual mentality of people who are actually oppressed: We have to earn everything, including citizenship rights. Whereas women approached the issue of suffrage from a mentality of privilege and entitlement: We are owed our rights.

Where even to start with this jumble of wrongness?

Let’s start with her most basic misapprehension, that human rights are something that have to be earned. In fact, the basic premise of human rights is that we have certain rights because we are human beings. This isn’t entitlement or extremism; it is the fundamental basis of democracy.

You would think that someone who calls herself a Men’s Human Rights Activist would have a better understanding of the rudiments of  human rights.

In the Declaration of Independence, you may recall, Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed “that all men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” He didn’t say they had to earn these rights; he said that they were born with them.

Granted, it took quite some time before this sentiment applied not only to white men but also to women and African-Americans, but this had nothing to do with anyone “earning” rights; it had to do with the fact that some human beings were seen as more human than others.

When Martin Luther King made his case for civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s, he harked back explicitly to Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence. In his most famous speech, delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington in 1963, he declared

In a sense we have come to our nation’s capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. …

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”

This was not the first time he had made this argument. In a 1957 speech also delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, he declared that

The denial of this sacred right [to vote] is a tragic betrayal of the highest mandates of our democratic traditions and its is democracy turned upside down.

So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind — it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact — I can only submit to the edict of others.

It’s our humanity, not a signature on a selective service registration form, that entitles all of us to the right to vote.

If the Men’s Rights Movement wants to campaign to end selective service registration, go for it. Just don’t pretend that this has anything to do with the right to vote. Or that demanding basic human rights is a sign of “entitlement,” much less “female supremacy.”

Also, maybe lose the stupid hat?

Below, a song that kept popping into my head as I tried to make sense of Tieman’s most peculiar views. Well, the chorus anyway; the rest of the lyrics don’t really fit.

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weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Xyz,

What does Asperger’s have to do with MRAs?

Autism doesn’t cause misogyny and as the sibling of a nice, not misogynistic autistic man your conflation of the two is highly offensive. Just stop.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
10 years ago

Here is a Canadian! He’s awesome!
http://youtu.be/kg10BwG0B-s

Nequam
Nequam
10 years ago

@contrapangloss: I notice the new Jarts are significantly redesigned from the old. The originals had some wicked metal tips:

http://familygsale.com/attachments/Image/Jarts/9_4_blu___yel_hasbro.jpg

cloudiah
10 years ago

Nthing the calls for not using “aspie” or the like against bigots. Their problem is that they are bigots.

I just saw someone make a great point in response to people who use SJW as a slur. She suggested we call those people what they are: SQWs (status quo warriors).

Perfect.

childrenofthebroccoli
childrenofthebroccoli
10 years ago

And once again, MRAs are blaming feminism for problems that are actually caused by capitalism. Yes, there is a demographic that is voting for wars that they have no intention of fighting in. That demographic is old rich white men. Has Typhon Blue never heard “Fortunate Son” before? The politicians push for war, safe in the knowledge that their kids won’t be on the front lines. As always, the poor people wind up getting the shaft. Business as usual.

Save The Queen
Save The Queen
10 years ago

Originally posted this to the wrong thread /facepalm.

What did I just watch? Lots of Canadian bad history there. The Emergency Act replaced the War Measures Act and had nothing to with compulsory service. Conscription in Canada has only existed at two times in the nation’s history: 1917 and 1944; they were established under other bills or orders-in-council as emergency measures and were quickly discontinued.

In Canada, the right of Aboriginal peoples to vote was never dependent on military service. During World War I and II, First Nations men volunteered at higher rates than some Euro-Canadian communities. Yet, Aboriginals did not get the vote until 1960. The right to vote was always connected to abandoning communal lifestyles on reserves and embracing liberalism by becoming a private individual. It was freely offered in hopes that it would make Aboriginal assimilation faster but very few took the government up on the offer.(for recent coverage of the topic, see Keith D. Smith, Liberalism, Surveillance, and Resistance [Edmonton, AB: AU Press, 2009]).

Sorry if that was boring. I don’t comment here often but It physically pains me as a PhD candidate in history to hear people who don’t actually know Canadian history, talk about Canadian history. Especially when they are Canadian themselves. And more especially when her motivations are so vile. She’s ignorant and I need a drink after watching that nonsense.

vraydar
10 years ago

@cloudiah

Or Social Injustice Warriors

chaltab
chaltab
10 years ago

@vraydar Yeah the thing about MRAs is that they’re not just fighting to maintain the status quo. Women having the right to vote IS the status quo now and they want to change that, they ‘fight’ (read: piss and moan) for a more unjust society.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
10 years ago

We have to earn everything, including citizenship rights.

Men’s Rights Activists are opposed to human rights. In general. The basic fucking concept of human rights.

Like everything else they say, this is an attempt to justify injustice. If you have to earn your rights, that must mean that people with rights did something to deserve them and thus it’s not unfair that some people have more rights than others.

All their ideological chaff is to eliminate the cognitive dissonance between “I’ve got more privileges than other people” and “I’m not a bad person and I support fairness.”

Save The Queen
Save The Queen
10 years ago

@Grumpyoldnurse,

I’m on the Prairies too! And you’re right, far too many assholes in Canada, the Western part of it at least, especially when Aboriginal peoples are brought up.

Exhibit A (this is embarrassing): http://www.cbc.ca/news/aboriginal/canada-sets-lowest-standard-at-world-conference-on-indigenous-peoples-1.2779590?cmp=rss

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

Aspergians/Autistic people can be very nice, very good people. They have comprehension problems in understanding others.This is caused by a neurological difference.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140416172313.htm

MRA’s are actively working against understanding others. They blame feminists and/or women for most of their problems rather than taking control of what they themselves can control.
This appears to be a voluntary mindset, one not associated with a neurological difference. It is created and reinforced. It is a subcultural phenomenon.

Please do not denigrate Auties/Aspies as a group, thanks.

cloudiah
10 years ago

@vraydar, I like that one too, but one of the things I like about SQW is that it’s fun to say, and since those folks seriously squick me out it works for that too. XD

vaiyt
10 years ago

If you have to earn your rights, that must mean that people with rights did something to deserve them and thus it’s not unfair that some people have more rights than others.

There’s also the hidden problem in the idea: if rights are earned, then someone has to grant them.

Alais
10 years ago

Minorities felt they had to earn their rights and often had to make enormous sacrifices in war prior to even having their requests for rights considered reasonable. Women felt they were simply owed. …

Er…no. The reason that minorities had to jump through so many hoops in order to finally get their basic human rights recognized and protected by the law was because white people didn’t value them as human enough. People of minority races weren’t thinking, “We need to EARN our basic human rights,” because rights are no earned. They were thinking, “Maybe if we jump through enough hoops, perform perfectly, and do better than they do, they’ll finally start respecting us as equally human.” The reason that some black people from the Civil Rights Era and before wanted to work so hard to prove themselves wasn’t because they thought that they had to earn their rights. It was because white people were so racist that only the most amazing, gifted, and talented black people could even hope to be respected as equally human, and some black people were hoping that if they were exceptional enough, they could finally earn some respect. Good God, Typhoon Blue, how is it possible for anyone to be this willfully fucking ignorant? Also, when exactly did white people have to earn their rights? And if one had to “earn” rights (if one is willing to forget for a moment that words mean things), didn’t black people earn theirs a thousand times over while working as slaves and then, after emancipation, struggling against incredible odds?

Sorry for the rant. That bit of racist ignorance just pissed me the fuck off.

Also, with the regards to Aspergers comment, please don’t even go there. I know plenty of kind, moral people with Aspergers Syndrome. The MRAs’ problem isn’t that they have Aspergers, and it’s not funny that they supposedly are like people with Aspergers because disabilities aren’t a joke.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
10 years ago

I remember the first time we all went out on the lawn to play this better than horseshoes game called jarts. We looked at one another, and then we looked around at the kids and then we informed the organizers that there would be no standing behind the target by the other team. It was far too much like what we used to do in archery. Shoot straight up and watch it come down.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
10 years ago

We don’t earn rights. That’s why we called them rights. Criminy!

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

Racism 101: when discussing African-Americans, erase African-American women. They don’t exist for Ms. Tieman. For her the Civil Rights Movement had none, just men fighting in wars to obtain the vote. Yes. Offensive as well as clownish.

And ahistoric, too. At least in the US, the women’s suffrage movement grew out of abolitionism, after some great female abolitionists were not allowed to speak in a meeting. And then there’s Sojourner Truth, whose “Ain’t I A Woman” brought things back full circle, demanding that black women be included in the fight for voting rights, and who simply and brilliantly proved that civil rights are for everyone, regardless of color or gender.

Alison Tieman is an idiot. And I’ll nth all my fellow Canadians in apologizing for the existence of her. She completely forgets that women DID work for their rights, here as much as in the US. And if she’s not in agreement with having those rights, well…she can hand in her driver’s licence, her birth certificate, her passport, and her voter-registration card. And just stay home, silent and off the Internet, as is right and fitting if she is not to be a complete fucking hypocrite.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
10 years ago

She appears to be quite confused in other ways as well. I suppose if she knew about it she would consider repealing the state laws that made it illegal in the US to shelter runaway wives an even earlier act of supremacy.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
10 years ago

The stupidity burns, but one should expect no less. However, what’s with the close-up of the cat? Is that her subconscious contribution to Confused Cats Against Feminism?

If so, then I suspect her cat is less confused about feminism than she is.

GrumpyOldMan
10 years ago

God decided long ago that she would disperse assholes more or less equally among countries.

anonny
anonny
10 years ago

I have to ask myself why I’m wasting five minutes on this lady. She is throwing out nonsensical statements that she seems to be completely unqualified to make. Where’s her bio, showing her education and/or expertise in the fields of sociology, military history, human rights legislation, or anything else? Where does she get off making pronouncements like this?

She seems to want to make money doing this, like more and more AVFMers, unemployed people living off donations by feeding crackpot hate. I doubt she even writes the stuff she says on YouTube. I doubt she’s capable of it.

AVFM is a smoke-and-mirrors site. Nobody cares and it must be a bear trying to get our attention, hence these provocations.

Matthew Cline
10 years ago

Another comment from Tieman:

Most marginalized groups of people start off believing that they have to earn their human rights; challenging socialization to see yourself as always having to earn your place was called “consciousness raising” and usually constitutes the first step in a real civil rights movement. 

lkeke35
lkeke35
10 years ago

Anonymous: Yep, there seems to be an entire class of Americans who are perfectly willing to kick marginalized people in the ass so that they can cozy up to humanity’s worse examples, just so they can make a buck or have a tiny taste of their master’s power.

kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

TyphoidBlues never has made any sense, and likely never will.