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A Voice for Men's Alison Tieman: Winning women the vote was “Feminism's first act of female supremacy.”

I don’t often write about Alison Tieman – the eccentric FeMRA videoblogger known better as Typhon Blue – in large part because, well, have you ever watched one of her videos? Her arguments and assertions bear so little relation to what the rest of us know as reality it’s as if she lives in some weird inverted world of her own making.

It’s rather difficult to address the arguments of someone when virtually everything she says is wrong – logically, historically, morally – in some fundamental way.

But I’m going to have a go at her latest video anyway, because, well, it’s only 4 minutes long, which will make unpacking its fractal wrongness a little less of a daunting task. Also, there’s a kitty in it.

In the video, Tieman, in the guise of “Professor Hamster,” makes the startling claim that Women’s Suffrage was “Feminism’s first act of female supremacy.”

How, you might wonder, does equality at the ballot box count as “female supremacy?”

Well, according to Tieman – one of A Voice for Men’s self-proclaimed Honey Badgers – it’s because women (at least in the US) don’t have to register for the draft.

This is an old argument of hers, based on the strange belief that voting rights for men in the United States are contingent on them signing up for selective service, something that’s not, you know, true. She seems to be confusing the United States with the fictional universe of Starship Troopers, in which “Service Guarantees Citizenship.”

In any case, because suffragettes didn’t demand to be drafted when they demanded the vote their demand, Tieman concludes that they weren’t seeking equality but supremacy.

Never mind that at the time the notion of women being drafted would have struck the general public as absurd.

Never mind that when draft registration was being considered for reinstatement in 1981, the National Organization for Women sued to have registration expanded to women as well, because not requiring women to register would relegate them “to second-class citizenship by exclusion from a fundamental obligation of citizenship,” as the New York Times summarized their position.

Ultimately, over NOW’s objections, the Supreme Court ruled that registration could be restricted to men only. The all-male Supreme Court; the court didn’t get its first female Justice, Sandra Day O’Connor, until later that year.

For all of the hullabaloo, the requirement that men register for the draft is an essentially meaningless “obligation.” The draft is a dead issue in the US, about as likely to be revived as Jarts.

Tieman goes on to note that “female suffrage enabled women to vote for wars that only men had to fight in.” In fact, as anyone who’s paid any attention to real world politics knows well, women are consistently less likely than men to support war.

Tieman’s arguments about women’s suffrage are just bizarre. It’s when she starts talking about the civil rights movement that she moves beyond bizarre to offensive.

Throughout the video, she contrasts what she sees as the good and humble civil rights movement with the “privileged” and “entitled” suffragettes; it’s a strange and backwards argument, at odds with historical reality, and one that insults not only the suffragettes but our greatest civil rights heroes as well. “During the civil rights movement,” she proclaims,

black moderates believed that black people needed to EARN their civil rights. Extremists at the time believed that blacks people should receive their rights by virtue of being human beings. …

Minorities felt they had to earn their rights and often had to make enormous sacrifices in war prior to even having their requests for rights considered reasonable. Women felt they were simply owed. …

Minorities approached suffrage from the usual mentality of people who are actually oppressed: We have to earn everything, including citizenship rights. Whereas women approached the issue of suffrage from a mentality of privilege and entitlement: We are owed our rights.

Where even to start with this jumble of wrongness?

Let’s start with her most basic misapprehension, that human rights are something that have to be earned. In fact, the basic premise of human rights is that we have certain rights because we are human beings. This isn’t entitlement or extremism; it is the fundamental basis of democracy.

You would think that someone who calls herself a Men’s Human Rights Activist would have a better understanding of the rudiments of  human rights.

In the Declaration of Independence, you may recall, Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed “that all men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” He didn’t say they had to earn these rights; he said that they were born with them.

Granted, it took quite some time before this sentiment applied not only to white men but also to women and African-Americans, but this had nothing to do with anyone “earning” rights; it had to do with the fact that some human beings were seen as more human than others.

When Martin Luther King made his case for civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s, he harked back explicitly to Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence. In his most famous speech, delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington in 1963, he declared

In a sense we have come to our nation’s capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. …

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”

This was not the first time he had made this argument. In a 1957 speech also delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, he declared that

The denial of this sacred right [to vote] is a tragic betrayal of the highest mandates of our democratic traditions and its is democracy turned upside down.

So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind — it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact — I can only submit to the edict of others.

It’s our humanity, not a signature on a selective service registration form, that entitles all of us to the right to vote.

If the Men’s Rights Movement wants to campaign to end selective service registration, go for it. Just don’t pretend that this has anything to do with the right to vote. Or that demanding basic human rights is a sign of “entitlement,” much less “female supremacy.”

Also, maybe lose the stupid hat?

Below, a song that kept popping into my head as I tried to make sense of Tieman’s most peculiar views. Well, the chorus anyway; the rest of the lyrics don’t really fit.

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Lea
Lea
9 years ago

As a mother with 2 sons, I care very much about the draft. Mothers are often the In fact, often strong opponents to the draft and war in general. I recently explained it to my sons (8 and 11). The 8 yr old teared up and said, “That’s not fair”. I hugged him and told him it wasn’t fair at all.

Lately I’ve had to explain alot of unpleasant things to my kids, like racism, sexism, transphobia, war, homaphobia, religious discrimination, idiots in office and police brutality. Upon seeing pictures of cops in riot gear with rifles pointed at protesters he asked me, “Is this a war?” and I had to tell him, “Yes. In a way it is a war and it is happening all around us and has been for a long, long time”. In school thy teach them that MLK Jr ended racism. They need to know the truth.

I have yet to have the heart to tell my youngest daughter about the prevalence of rape (though I have had to tell my kids what it is and that rapists exist) and how if I let her play outside alone and she were raped, she and I would be blamed instead of the rapist. On the other hand, my oldest daughter carries pepper spray, a cell phone and a knife at all times because being a woman or girl anywhere at all is dangerous and rapists and murderers of women look just like every other man. 1 in 10 are looking for their next victim right now.

You are not at risk for being drafted at all times, everywhere you go, even as a child or an elderly man. Nor would you be blamed for being drafted if you were. No one will ask what you were wearing when you were drafted. No one will tell you that you should have taken more precautions not to be drafted or that you should speak more nicely about the draft. No one denies that the draft exists. If you were drafted, no one will say you weren’t or that you should not have been where you were when you were drafted.

You are playing life on the easiest setting. That does not mean your life is perfect and that you always get justice. You’re just in a better position to get it than alot of other people.

Lea
Lea
9 years ago

You, in complaining about how you aren’t loved because there isn’t something like a “Violence Against Men Act,” are essentially a child upset that your sick sibling is getting extra stuff, except that even actual children realize that would be petty.

Truth.

thebeam2008
thebeam2008
9 years ago
Reply to  Lea

@Lea on ‘you are playing life on the easiest setting’ …yes! War and organized bands of well armed people trying to kill you is definitely the easiest possible setting imaginable. War is totally a cake walk and you mentioning all those examples of people trying to belittle your problems and make them seem trivial only makes me appreciate your situation more and realize how much of a non-issue being forced into combat actually is. Thanks for the great comment!

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Hey, thebeam2008, long time no see! Quick question: are you, or have you ever been, in live combat?

Another quick question: have you, or has anyone you’ve known been forced into combat? (Caveats: in the US, within the last 30 years, not someone who’s voluntarily joined the military while expecting not to be deployed)

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
9 years ago

Forehead is back! Hi Forehead.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

War and organized bands of well armed people trying to kill you is definitely the easiest possible setting imaginable.

TIL that war invariably happens in isolated areas devoid of civilians, and that civilians are therefore never affected by armies of foreigners rampaging across their farmland and through their cities.

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/TheMoreYouKnow_3415.gif

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
9 years ago

If for some reason I had to be involved in a war I’d really rather be part of the group that has weapons and has been taught how to use them than in the group that’s armed only with whatever they happen to have in their kitchen.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

The 11 to 18 million Russian civilians killed in WWII were all men, obviously. So were the 1.5 to 3.5 million German civilians and the 5 to 6 million Polish civilians. 100% of them were men, because women aren’t affected by war in the slightest. A man on the internet told me so, so it has to be true.

sparky
sparky
9 years ago

Oh my. Someone doesn’t understand the whole metaphor of “playing life on the easiest setting.” It doesn’t mean you don’t have problems. It means you don’t face systemic, social and economic prejudice, both overt and covert, based upon your skin color, gender and/or sexual orientation.

Feminism 101 in regards to conscription and women in the military. TL:DR: Feminist are not the ones pushing to keep women out of combat roles or for mandatory conscription. Your beef in this matter is not with feminists. It’s with sexists and misogynists who claim that women are too weak and delicate for military service.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
9 years ago

I feel like there’s a connection between his inability to see women as people and his inability to see enemy civilians of either sex as people.

grumpyoldnurse
9 years ago

Yes, da wiminz always stay home, where it’s safe, when war starts.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipers_of_the_Soviet_Union
PS; I still don’t like the way the US mandates young men to register for the draft. However, I’d be far more interested in eliminating it (if I was a US citizen, and it was any of my business) than I would be in using it to metaphorically club internet feminists over the head with.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
9 years ago

Women just kind of float above cities when they are invaded, held aloft by the force of the patriarchy’s will and kept completely out of harm’s way. Women are also completely immune to bombs and bullets. I think it has something to do with invincibility frames, because we are talking about a video game here, right?

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

No Sudanese, Iraqi, or Syrian refugees are women. None of the nuns murdered by the Contras were women either.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Talk about not understanding “easy mode”… The women who are able to become soldiers despite the misogynists’ whining still face absurdly high risks of rape from their fellow soldiers in addition to the normal danger from enemy forces.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
9 years ago

I can’t get my government college loan unless I register with SS isn’t exactly my idea of being forced.

Lea
Lea
9 years ago

Hey asshole, my friend lost the use of her legs in combat and now suffers from PTSD, how ’bout you?
Women serve in the military. Women die as civilian casualties. War does not only effect men.

Ignorant Pig.

Lea
Lea
9 years ago

I feel like there’s a connection between his inability to see women as people and his inability to see enemy civilians of either sex as people.

Anyone who is not them or just like them are not true humans.

Speaking of women in war, I can’t help but frequently think of the mother in Gaza who told her story of each night moving her children to different parts of the house to sleep. Sometimes they all sleep in one room in the hope that another room will be bombed and they will survive. Other times they sleep in different rooms so that if one part of the house is destroyed, some of her family might live.

…and here are these privileged white doodz whining that a war they will never be drafted into and women like this cannot escape means they are the most oppressed ever because argle bargle abortion rights and argle bargle the supreme court would not pass the Equal Rights Amendment because they favor women.

That is so ridiculously, cluelessly, narcissisticly convoluted that we need a new word to describe it.

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
9 years ago

I guess Representative Tammy Duckworth Democrat from Illinois is a man too.

katz
9 years ago

Women are also completely immune to bombs and bullets.

“Guns don’t kill people. We’re all immune to bullets and it’s a miracle.” -Welcome to Night Vale

kittehserf - MOD
9 years ago

My oath, trolls just get more and more idiotic with every return. Do you think there’s a course they have to do?

thebeam2008
thebeam2008
9 years ago

Talk about not understanding easy mode: war is not easy on the men that participate. Argue against it all you want…argue the Earth is flat too.

Yes, war is awful for all those involved. My sarcasm was directed at Lea who failed to appreciate the irony of stating that women have it hard and yet their troubles are belittled and ignored…while belittling and ignoring the troubles of men. For that, she gets my applause!

Hi Cassandra!

And yes, I have seen combat. Over 2 years in country. Yes, I know guys who have been in combat too, oddly enough. Yes, I went of my own free will. You may proceed to call me a rapist and baby killer now. Enjoy that. <3

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
9 years ago

Hi again, Forehead! Are you enjoying your continued irrelevance?

kittehserf - MOD
9 years ago

Calling you a misogynist imbecile covers all the points needed, troll.

sparky
sparky
9 years ago

And still not getting it.

What is it with these trolls that continue to drone on about things that they so obviously have no understanding of?

thebeam2008
thebeam2008
9 years ago

Being called an ignorant imbecile here is a relief as this is the same thread that shredded the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights when I presented those points…so I must be doing something right.

Oh, and kudos on the name calling defence. Keep up the good fight for respect and equality for all!