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A Voice for Men's Alison Tieman: Winning women the vote was “Feminism's first act of female supremacy.”

I don’t often write about Alison Tieman – the eccentric FeMRA videoblogger known better as Typhon Blue – in large part because, well, have you ever watched one of her videos? Her arguments and assertions bear so little relation to what the rest of us know as reality it’s as if she lives in some weird inverted world of her own making.

It’s rather difficult to address the arguments of someone when virtually everything she says is wrong – logically, historically, morally – in some fundamental way.

But I’m going to have a go at her latest video anyway, because, well, it’s only 4 minutes long, which will make unpacking its fractal wrongness a little less of a daunting task. Also, there’s a kitty in it.

In the video, Tieman, in the guise of “Professor Hamster,” makes the startling claim that Women’s Suffrage was “Feminism’s first act of female supremacy.”

How, you might wonder, does equality at the ballot box count as “female supremacy?”

Well, according to Tieman – one of A Voice for Men’s self-proclaimed Honey Badgers – it’s because women (at least in the US) don’t have to register for the draft.

This is an old argument of hers, based on the strange belief that voting rights for men in the United States are contingent on them signing up for selective service, something that’s not, you know, true. She seems to be confusing the United States with the fictional universe of Starship Troopers, in which “Service Guarantees Citizenship.”

In any case, because suffragettes didn’t demand to be drafted when they demanded the vote their demand, Tieman concludes that they weren’t seeking equality but supremacy.

Never mind that at the time the notion of women being drafted would have struck the general public as absurd.

Never mind that when draft registration was being considered for reinstatement in 1981, the National Organization for Women sued to have registration expanded to women as well, because not requiring women to register would relegate them “to second-class citizenship by exclusion from a fundamental obligation of citizenship,” as the New York Times summarized their position.

Ultimately, over NOW’s objections, the Supreme Court ruled that registration could be restricted to men only. The all-male Supreme Court; the court didn’t get its first female Justice, Sandra Day O’Connor, until later that year.

For all of the hullabaloo, the requirement that men register for the draft is an essentially meaningless “obligation.” The draft is a dead issue in the US, about as likely to be revived as Jarts.

Tieman goes on to note that “female suffrage enabled women to vote for wars that only men had to fight in.” In fact, as anyone who’s paid any attention to real world politics knows well, women are consistently less likely than men to support war.

Tieman’s arguments about women’s suffrage are just bizarre. It’s when she starts talking about the civil rights movement that she moves beyond bizarre to offensive.

Throughout the video, she contrasts what she sees as the good and humble civil rights movement with the “privileged” and “entitled” suffragettes; it’s a strange and backwards argument, at odds with historical reality, and one that insults not only the suffragettes but our greatest civil rights heroes as well. “During the civil rights movement,” she proclaims,

black moderates believed that black people needed to EARN their civil rights. Extremists at the time believed that blacks people should receive their rights by virtue of being human beings. …

Minorities felt they had to earn their rights and often had to make enormous sacrifices in war prior to even having their requests for rights considered reasonable. Women felt they were simply owed. …

Minorities approached suffrage from the usual mentality of people who are actually oppressed: We have to earn everything, including citizenship rights. Whereas women approached the issue of suffrage from a mentality of privilege and entitlement: We are owed our rights.

Where even to start with this jumble of wrongness?

Let’s start with her most basic misapprehension, that human rights are something that have to be earned. In fact, the basic premise of human rights is that we have certain rights because we are human beings. This isn’t entitlement or extremism; it is the fundamental basis of democracy.

You would think that someone who calls herself a Men’s Human Rights Activist would have a better understanding of the rudiments of  human rights.

In the Declaration of Independence, you may recall, Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed “that all men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” He didn’t say they had to earn these rights; he said that they were born with them.

Granted, it took quite some time before this sentiment applied not only to white men but also to women and African-Americans, but this had nothing to do with anyone “earning” rights; it had to do with the fact that some human beings were seen as more human than others.

When Martin Luther King made his case for civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s, he harked back explicitly to Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence. In his most famous speech, delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington in 1963, he declared

In a sense we have come to our nation’s capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. …

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”

This was not the first time he had made this argument. In a 1957 speech also delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, he declared that

The denial of this sacred right [to vote] is a tragic betrayal of the highest mandates of our democratic traditions and its is democracy turned upside down.

So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind — it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact — I can only submit to the edict of others.

It’s our humanity, not a signature on a selective service registration form, that entitles all of us to the right to vote.

If the Men’s Rights Movement wants to campaign to end selective service registration, go for it. Just don’t pretend that this has anything to do with the right to vote. Or that demanding basic human rights is a sign of “entitlement,” much less “female supremacy.”

Also, maybe lose the stupid hat?

Below, a song that kept popping into my head as I tried to make sense of Tieman’s most peculiar views. Well, the chorus anyway; the rest of the lyrics don’t really fit.

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Barbara W (@JBW1993)
10 years ago

I’m sorry, but her ramblings don’t make any sense to me.

Puddleglum
10 years ago

The worst part about this screed is that she isn’t even American. Why is she going on about this?

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
10 years ago

Pally girl
A man baking cookies. we are one step closer to the ultimate utopia, the Matriarchy. This pleases the Fempire.

Wwth
“Why do MRAs always think feminists are dying to send men off to war.”

I think they don’t want to admit that the majority of wars are started by men. Stating anything horrible that was caused by men is misandry. I mean I know women have done horrible things too, it’s just history. Well that is my guess anyway.

cloudiah
10 years ago

In other ahistorical nonsense, GamerGaters are oppressed natives being colonized:

https://twitter.com/Ash_Effect/status/517764342658256896

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Yes, my viscous attack is molasses.

oraclenine
oraclenine
10 years ago

I just cannot ever get over how badly they want to believe they are the REAL victims here.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
10 years ago

David, possibly a poor choice.

The Jarts. They are at walmart. Zombie Jarts! (In fun primary colors)

Shaun DarthBatman Day
10 years ago

Go with zombies. There’s absolutely no scientific basis for zombies.

http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html

I mean 5. There are only 5 scientific reasons zombies are coming.
Maybe go with new Coke.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
10 years ago

“I’m repeatedly floored by how well these MRAs display the aspie traits of faulty logic and mind blindness.”

No way. One of the defining traits of Asperger’s is a logical and analytical mind, and MRAs wouldn’t understand logic and analysis if you explained the concepts using flash cards and picture books. They’re just reactionaries.

magnesium
magnesium
10 years ago

So in Alison Tieman’s Wacky World of Misandry, people get to vote on whether or not their country goes to war? That is awesome. I wish Canada in the real world had that option. The part about how only white men are human enough to be born with human rights sounds a little disturbing, though.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
10 years ago

I’m repeatedly floored by how well these MRAs display the aspie traits of faulty logic and mind blindness.

Am I the only person disturbed by this statement?

It’s easy for me to laugh or be horrified by their beliefs but is there any way to help them?

I don’t want to help them. They think they are entitled to my help, but actually they are not.

beshemoth
beshemoth
10 years ago

Intersectionality! In comic form!

http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=356

(ahem. Sorry if this isn’t as relevant as I imagine it is)

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

We should get rid of selective service registration. And wars.

Signed,
A feminist.

DJG
DJG
10 years ago

Why not let only women vote for 130 years or so? Some women would probably end up on the wrong side of the discussion of who qualified as a woman, but otherwise it seems less impossible than it felt when first typed – or perhaps just that’s just my habit of being able to talk myself into finding a lot of things doable if I think about them for five minutes.

samantha
10 years ago

Ya know, sometimes my anger with the FeMRA’s outweighs, by a good deal, my anger with the MaMRA’s. If these women think that when the Great Masculist Revolution wins they will be seen as the True and Good women and will be fully franchised, they have another think coming. If they and their masters succeed in taking away women’s right to vote and make us legal chattel, they will just be, at best, a slightly higher-in-value type of chattel.

That is, if they escape being hunted down by their “sisters.” (checking to make certain that my pea shooter and water pistols are loaded and ready to go)

How stupid and craven can they be?????

samantha
10 years ago

@Shaun DarthBatman Day

http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html

Curse you, Shaun. You must be a ZOMBIE! I went and read…oh, the HORROR!!!

Oh, wait…maybe THAT’s why MRA’s…

Bless you, Shaun!

magnesium
magnesium
10 years ago

Also, I feel it’s obligatory to point out that Tieman is Canadian (ugh, why are there so many assholes in my country), where men are not required to sign up for any draft. Although, maybe in Alison Tieman’s reality, they are.

Shaenon
10 years ago

Not only did feminists fight for women to be included in the draft, they fought for other duties of citizenship many people consider onerous, most notably jury duty. There’s a reason the movie is Twelve Angry Men and not Twelve Angry People: it was written in 1954, when women were either not allowed or not required to sit on juries in most states. Amazingly, it wasn’t until 1975 that jury service became mandatory for women in all 50 states.

Most people aren’t clamoring to get called for jury duty, but feminist groups consistently argued that women should take on the same social duties as men. Here’s a good overview in Ms. magazine: http://www.msmagazine.com/summer2004/justverdicts.asp

trydye
trydye
10 years ago

@xyz

Can we avoid the ableism? It’s enough to deal with when people keep claiming MRAs are “crazy” or sociopaths despite their kinds of behavior being perpetuated by many neurotypical people but, well, as someone with autism, it gets REALLY REALLY ANNOYING when people claim that any sign of social awkwardness is somehow automatically indicative of a person having some form of autism. (4chan will call you an autist for anything and everything, to the surprise of no one.) Assuming that MRAs have some form of mental condition is massively disrespectful to neuroatypical people who aren’t/try not to be massive jerks…and runs the risk of letting neurotypical people off the hook for their actions because “well, they didn’t SEEM like a sociopath!”

nykerim
nykerim
10 years ago

I usually don’t comment on the site as there’s many smart people here and I’m not all that eloquent and probably wouldn’t contribute much, however, seeing self-hating women like Alison willing to degrade themselves like this for attention of the worst type of men rubs me very much the wrong way (read evokes disgust and anger).

I was going to go comment on her video originally, but decided against it as using facts and logic (two words they are unable to comprehend as is evident from by their constant misuse of them) on MRAs is equivalent to talking to a wall.
By ‘black people had to prove themselves’ she means mean they had to prove to whites they weren’t filthy, subhuman apes. The fact that she seems to think this is the way it should be speaks volumes. It’s just so adorable how she never explicitly points out to whom are these ‘minorities’ supposed to be proving themselves to, because if she did she’d be admitting to existence of white male privilege and that would just make MRAs penises melt and heads explode.

It’s also very telling that vast majority of people in their so called human rights movement (I’m using the term movement very loosely here) seem to support the notion that some humans are more human and deserving than others by virtue of being born a pale, heterosexual human with a penis.

TLDR: fuck you Alison Tieman, and the ridiculously entitled boys you pander to.

samantha
10 years ago

@Shaun DarthBatman Day

By the way, did you read the one about Mike the Headless Wonder Chicken? I laughed…I cried…I was moved.

grumpyoldnurse
grumpyoldnurse
10 years ago

I feel it’s obligatory to point out that Tieman is Canadian (ugh, why are there so many assholes in my country)

I live on the prairies, so, not really surprised by the number of assholes in our country. Canada is not really the liberal paradise that we get press for (anyone else remember residential schools? The last one only closed in the 1990’s). Somehow, we just have really good PR. Totally undeserved PR.

Also, I sincerely apologise.

beegees
beegees
10 years ago

If only we could go back in history to hear the cries of “No taxation without respresentationkilling other humans that rang out over Boston harbor all those centuries ago.