I don’t often write about Alison Tieman – the eccentric FeMRA videoblogger known better as Typhon Blue – in large part because, well, have you ever watched one of her videos? Her arguments and assertions bear so little relation to what the rest of us know as reality it’s as if she lives in some weird inverted world of her own making.
It’s rather difficult to address the arguments of someone when virtually everything she says is wrong – logically, historically, morally – in some fundamental way.
But I’m going to have a go at her latest video anyway, because, well, it’s only 4 minutes long, which will make unpacking its fractal wrongness a little less of a daunting task. Also, there’s a kitty in it.
In the video, Tieman, in the guise of “Professor Hamster,” makes the startling claim that Women’s Suffrage was “Feminism’s first act of female supremacy.”
How, you might wonder, does equality at the ballot box count as “female supremacy?”
Well, according to Tieman – one of A Voice for Men’s self-proclaimed Honey Badgers – it’s because women (at least in the US) don’t have to register for the draft.
This is an old argument of hers, based on the strange belief that voting rights for men in the United States are contingent on them signing up for selective service, something that’s not, you know, true. She seems to be confusing the United States with the fictional universe of Starship Troopers, in which “Service Guarantees Citizenship.”
In any case, because suffragettes didn’t demand to be drafted when they demanded the vote their demand, Tieman concludes that they weren’t seeking equality but supremacy.
Never mind that at the time the notion of women being drafted would have struck the general public as absurd.
Never mind that when draft registration was being considered for reinstatement in 1981, the National Organization for Women sued to have registration expanded to women as well, because not requiring women to register would relegate them “to second-class citizenship by exclusion from a fundamental obligation of citizenship,” as the New York Times summarized their position.
Ultimately, over NOW’s objections, the Supreme Court ruled that registration could be restricted to men only. The all-male Supreme Court; the court didn’t get its first female Justice, Sandra Day O’Connor, until later that year.
For all of the hullabaloo, the requirement that men register for the draft is an essentially meaningless “obligation.” The draft is a dead issue in the US, about as likely to be revived as Jarts.
Tieman goes on to note that “female suffrage enabled women to vote for wars that only men had to fight in.” In fact, as anyone who’s paid any attention to real world politics knows well, women are consistently less likely than men to support war.
Tieman’s arguments about women’s suffrage are just bizarre. It’s when she starts talking about the civil rights movement that she moves beyond bizarre to offensive.
Throughout the video, she contrasts what she sees as the good and humble civil rights movement with the “privileged” and “entitled” suffragettes; it’s a strange and backwards argument, at odds with historical reality, and one that insults not only the suffragettes but our greatest civil rights heroes as well. “During the civil rights movement,” she proclaims,
black moderates believed that black people needed to EARN their civil rights. Extremists at the time believed that blacks people should receive their rights by virtue of being human beings. …
Minorities felt they had to earn their rights and often had to make enormous sacrifices in war prior to even having their requests for rights considered reasonable. Women felt they were simply owed. …
Minorities approached suffrage from the usual mentality of people who are actually oppressed: We have to earn everything, including citizenship rights. Whereas women approached the issue of suffrage from a mentality of privilege and entitlement: We are owed our rights.
Where even to start with this jumble of wrongness?
Let’s start with her most basic misapprehension, that human rights are something that have to be earned. In fact, the basic premise of human rights is that we have certain rights because we are human beings. This isn’t entitlement or extremism; it is the fundamental basis of democracy.
You would think that someone who calls herself a Men’s Human Rights Activist would have a better understanding of the rudiments of human rights.
In the Declaration of Independence, you may recall, Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed “that all men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” He didn’t say they had to earn these rights; he said that they were born with them.
Granted, it took quite some time before this sentiment applied not only to white men but also to women and African-Americans, but this had nothing to do with anyone “earning” rights; it had to do with the fact that some human beings were seen as more human than others.
When Martin Luther King made his case for civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s, he harked back explicitly to Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence. In his most famous speech, delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington in 1963, he declared
In a sense we have come to our nation’s capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. …
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”
This was not the first time he had made this argument. In a 1957 speech also delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, he declared that
The denial of this sacred right [to vote] is a tragic betrayal of the highest mandates of our democratic traditions and its is democracy turned upside down.
So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind — it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact — I can only submit to the edict of others.
It’s our humanity, not a signature on a selective service registration form, that entitles all of us to the right to vote.
If the Men’s Rights Movement wants to campaign to end selective service registration, go for it. Just don’t pretend that this has anything to do with the right to vote. Or that demanding basic human rights is a sign of “entitlement,” much less “female supremacy.”
Also, maybe lose the stupid hat?
Below, a song that kept popping into my head as I tried to make sense of Tieman’s most peculiar views. Well, the chorus anyway; the rest of the lyrics don’t really fit.
It takes a very special quality of troll to think that screenshotting something that is not in any immediate danger of disappearing from the Internet is a threat of any stripe.
“I am going to screenshot this!”
“Why not just link it?”
Sea lions.
Because stuff gets wiped from 4chan pretty quickly, and none of these dudes have quite figured out how the rest of the internet works.
Must be a Troll-Nouveau thing, these recent ‘threats to screenshot’ that have been popping up. Watching trolls trying to appropriate evidence-gathering techniques is … awkward.
Sir, I do not think that will prove what you think it will prove.
*makes awkward turtle motion*
Wargis
I think David should IP check all the screenshot trolls–there’s been, what, three of them? All in the last week? I think the 4Chan theory is a good one, but the sockpuppet (almost wrote suckpuppet… talk about Freudian slip!) one also works.
Also, maybe the wargis can have a playfight with your war capybara!
http://jewelleddragon13.deviantart.com/art/War-Capybara-430692631
I have nothing to add except that I recently read a legend about Welsh fairies riding corgis and it sounded adorable.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz61z5nKuH1qlq05h.gif
Source? I must draw this.
My money’s on both. Sockpuppeteer from 4Chan, probably led here by #GamerGate.
::tapes Anarchonist’s head back together::
Also that is the BEST SCRIPT EVER. I am dying laughing here.
War Corgi:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6wrk0I2dD1qz7v0zo1_500.jpg
Fairy War Corgi!
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/16/64/ff/1664ff8c7566b3b0fa81949532f4d939.jpg
I can see I’m gonna have to photoshop a Corgi Riding Orc pic. Such a sad lack on teh internets.
I’m sure this has been said many times before, but is it just me, or does this Warg look far more like a Rodent Of Unusual Size than any kind of wolf?
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090317213500/lotr/images/6/62/Warg_2.jpg
With apologies to the artist – Corgi-Riding Orcs!
http://i.imgur.com/VHcnxdf.jpg
I didn’t even realize those were wargs. I remember them from the books but didn’t make the connection while watching the movies.
Napoleon on a War Corgi is good, but nothing beats Le Marche de L’Empereur:
I dunno, I’ve a particular soft spot for this Napoleon + penguin combination:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/a77ea6a856effda53c3e585d54cca894/tumblr_mymzqtopUI1qfx620o1_250.gif
🙂
You’re kidding, he’s still posting here? He’s pretending to understand Gloria?
Duder, you’re ridiculous. Everyone here thinks you’re a joke, only semi-literate and has an unhealthy need for negative attention. Your posts are fucking stupid. If they actually appeared in print, the editor who let them through would have been fired yesterday. If your posts came out of your mouth during a college level class, the prof in charge would give you a mighty long list of books to read and dismiss you from class. We know everything you post is an attempt to make fun of the culture here.
You’re a dumbass.
Shiraz: I know right… I love the, “you are all too dumb to know what I based my comment on was feminism… which is why I said we need to talk about denying women the right to vote”
Because that’s a totes feminist idea.
@ Anarchonist – Best. Script. Ever. <3 <3
What about disenfranchising most of the population in a random manner?
Ok, sound really bad but why?
From statistics we know that you can make a really good prediction from a rather small sample. So why not randomly select a rather small sample ( on a high degree of confidence) as voters and that’s it.
Where is the fallacy?
Maybe because all sampling methods are problematic and introduce biases, and there is not a single one that escapes bias?
What is the bias from a computer random sampling from a population register, and will it matter?
How precisely do you contact the people that you sample from the population register, to let them know that they are the lucky voters? By phone? What about people who don’t have phones? By mail? What about people who have no permanent address, or who have recently moved and haven’t updated their information yet?
What do you do if some of your sample refuse to participate?
“What do you do if some of your sample refuse to participate?”
Wouldn’t that be the same as the people who refuse to vote today.
Considering the election costs and that they are really few, it shouldn’t be out of proportion to find them any means necessary (phone mail, in-person &c). Still there’s a problem here cause I doubt everybody can be found, but what if retrospective analysis shows that non-response was small enough to not have an impact.
In current system non-response is really a large problem.
Yes. If both methods share a problem, what makes yours superior?
For real. How precisely do you think it works when a woman leaves an abusive man and goes into a domestic violence shelter, or moves onto a friend’s couch? Do you think she tells the world where she is and makes herself easy to track down?
How precisely do you think it works when a person is operating as a migrant worker being paid under the table? Do you think that person checks in with the government every few days to say, “I’m in Georgia today!”
What if? What if? Analyses have been done on this! This is basic-level research methods stuff! This kind of thing has been analyzed to hell and back, and it’s well known that biases of this nature skew your results!
That’s bad enough when you’re studying, say, racial attitudes in urban areas. You’re talking about subjecting national elections to this bias.
There is no sampling method that avoids bias, which is what I started out saying and you started out denying. Sounds like you’re starting to admit that bias is inevitable but your claim now is that it doesn’t matter???
So now for what i think may be a problem. Everybody will know that they, with a high probability will not get to vote. So they will not try to get informed and create an opinion. So the people who get to vote will probly be as prepared as otherwise. Or shorter, it creates a culture of non-involvement.