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A Voice for Men's Alison Tieman: Winning women the vote was “Feminism's first act of female supremacy.”

I don’t often write about Alison Tieman – the eccentric FeMRA videoblogger known better as Typhon Blue – in large part because, well, have you ever watched one of her videos? Her arguments and assertions bear so little relation to what the rest of us know as reality it’s as if she lives in some weird inverted world of her own making.

It’s rather difficult to address the arguments of someone when virtually everything she says is wrong – logically, historically, morally – in some fundamental way.

But I’m going to have a go at her latest video anyway, because, well, it’s only 4 minutes long, which will make unpacking its fractal wrongness a little less of a daunting task. Also, there’s a kitty in it.

In the video, Tieman, in the guise of “Professor Hamster,” makes the startling claim that Women’s Suffrage was “Feminism’s first act of female supremacy.”

How, you might wonder, does equality at the ballot box count as “female supremacy?”

Well, according to Tieman – one of A Voice for Men’s self-proclaimed Honey Badgers – it’s because women (at least in the US) don’t have to register for the draft.

This is an old argument of hers, based on the strange belief that voting rights for men in the United States are contingent on them signing up for selective service, something that’s not, you know, true. She seems to be confusing the United States with the fictional universe of Starship Troopers, in which “Service Guarantees Citizenship.”

In any case, because suffragettes didn’t demand to be drafted when they demanded the vote their demand, Tieman concludes that they weren’t seeking equality but supremacy.

Never mind that at the time the notion of women being drafted would have struck the general public as absurd.

Never mind that when draft registration was being considered for reinstatement in 1981, the National Organization for Women sued to have registration expanded to women as well, because not requiring women to register would relegate them “to second-class citizenship by exclusion from a fundamental obligation of citizenship,” as the New York Times summarized their position.

Ultimately, over NOW’s objections, the Supreme Court ruled that registration could be restricted to men only. The all-male Supreme Court; the court didn’t get its first female Justice, Sandra Day O’Connor, until later that year.

For all of the hullabaloo, the requirement that men register for the draft is an essentially meaningless “obligation.” The draft is a dead issue in the US, about as likely to be revived as Jarts.

Tieman goes on to note that “female suffrage enabled women to vote for wars that only men had to fight in.” In fact, as anyone who’s paid any attention to real world politics knows well, women are consistently less likely than men to support war.

Tieman’s arguments about women’s suffrage are just bizarre. It’s when she starts talking about the civil rights movement that she moves beyond bizarre to offensive.

Throughout the video, she contrasts what she sees as the good and humble civil rights movement with the “privileged” and “entitled” suffragettes; it’s a strange and backwards argument, at odds with historical reality, and one that insults not only the suffragettes but our greatest civil rights heroes as well. “During the civil rights movement,” she proclaims,

black moderates believed that black people needed to EARN their civil rights. Extremists at the time believed that blacks people should receive their rights by virtue of being human beings. …

Minorities felt they had to earn their rights and often had to make enormous sacrifices in war prior to even having their requests for rights considered reasonable. Women felt they were simply owed. …

Minorities approached suffrage from the usual mentality of people who are actually oppressed: We have to earn everything, including citizenship rights. Whereas women approached the issue of suffrage from a mentality of privilege and entitlement: We are owed our rights.

Where even to start with this jumble of wrongness?

Let’s start with her most basic misapprehension, that human rights are something that have to be earned. In fact, the basic premise of human rights is that we have certain rights because we are human beings. This isn’t entitlement or extremism; it is the fundamental basis of democracy.

You would think that someone who calls herself a Men’s Human Rights Activist would have a better understanding of the rudiments of  human rights.

In the Declaration of Independence, you may recall, Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed “that all men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” He didn’t say they had to earn these rights; he said that they were born with them.

Granted, it took quite some time before this sentiment applied not only to white men but also to women and African-Americans, but this had nothing to do with anyone “earning” rights; it had to do with the fact that some human beings were seen as more human than others.

When Martin Luther King made his case for civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s, he harked back explicitly to Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence. In his most famous speech, delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington in 1963, he declared

In a sense we have come to our nation’s capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. …

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”

This was not the first time he had made this argument. In a 1957 speech also delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, he declared that

The denial of this sacred right [to vote] is a tragic betrayal of the highest mandates of our democratic traditions and its is democracy turned upside down.

So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind — it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact — I can only submit to the edict of others.

It’s our humanity, not a signature on a selective service registration form, that entitles all of us to the right to vote.

If the Men’s Rights Movement wants to campaign to end selective service registration, go for it. Just don’t pretend that this has anything to do with the right to vote. Or that demanding basic human rights is a sign of “entitlement,” much less “female supremacy.”

Also, maybe lose the stupid hat?

Below, a song that kept popping into my head as I tried to make sense of Tieman’s most peculiar views. Well, the chorus anyway; the rest of the lyrics don’t really fit.

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grumpyoldnurse
10 years ago

@ emilygoddess – I blame the modern education system. Seriously, when the populace is dumbed down, it’s easier to manipulate them with bad PR spin, and then we wind up voting in neo-cons who gut the education system even further. It’s a downward spiral, and we are doomed.

vaiyt
vaiyt
10 years ago

There are interesting ideas being discussed here…and I am learning from this forum — how can anyone learn from your ideas if all outsiders are attacked and mocked for attempting to interact with you??

It’s not “all outsiders”, it’s just you. Because you’re being stupid.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Dear Troll: As a fellow USian, I am ashamed for your lack of understanding of “free speech”. Yes, you can have your own ideas. No, you don’t get to totally run with them free of mocking when they are mockworthy.

Randall Munroe of XKCD puts it so nicely:

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png

mildlymagnificent
10 years ago

… will of the people was expressed to form a government of the people in this periodic election (where women and people of every color) got a secret, free vote… sure it might be improved upon somewhat but isn’t the above well within the feminist framework of giving equality to all?

Sorry, “might be improved upon somewhat” is pretty feeble stuff. Where I come from voting is not a privilege available to those who take the trouble to register and vote.

In Australia, voting is an obligation of citizenship. The only limitations are on whether you’re correctly registered in the right electorate according to your place of residence and on prisoners jailed for terms longer than a set minimum. And polling places are anywhere and everywhere to make it easy for you.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

This is even more embarrassing than when the chan dudes try to impersonate women/POC on Twitter.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

In a battle of wits, the enemy shouldn’t arrive unarmed.

pecunium
10 years ago

Beamster: I am kinda shocked at the comments insulting my intelligence and attacking the things I have put forth. And to kittenserf… banning me? Am I truly being that offensive or even a little abusive? I am not attacking feminists nor your little group — even though I can’t say the opposite is true.

Um… you opened by saying we were all hypocritical meanies. You may not have used “rude” language, but you most certainly attacked people.

So if you are shocked, then the aspersions against your intelligence seem well placed.

I thought everyone had the right to freedom of opinion and expression.

They do, and you do. What they don’t have is the right to express those opinions everywhere. People have the right to refuse to associate with those they don’t like, or whom they don’t enjoy the company.

I do feel that you have the right to freely assemble, discuss and associate with each other — and no one should be compelled to to join a group. Please give me a chance?

Um… you have this backwards, we are not compelled to associate with you, no matter how much you may desire it.

Me, I’m pretty willing to let jerks and assholes hang out; but they have to be 1: interesting, or amusing (so far you aren’t), 2: willing to engage in actual conversation (so far you have done fuck all in the way of interacting with the people who have addressed the ideas you’ve espoused). 3: Arguing in good faith.

SO far I have seen no evidence of any of those, so on the merits, you have none.

pecunium
10 years ago

hellkell: It’s a strange fact of The Right that any prominent member of the Democratic party is a radical. Those who gain national traction are radical socialists, if not communists. This tends to be in direct relation to the amount of people who support/vote for them.

It’s an odd belief, but one of the shibboleths of the base-rallying e-mail chains which fan the anger/fear which seems to be the dominant emotional appeal of the modern Republican Party.

katz
10 years ago

Baseball cap dude: I, for one, will be happy to hang out with you if you say “Beetlejuice” three times at the beginning of every post.

See? I’m giving you a chance.

Robert
Robert
10 years ago

Pecunium – I am probably not the only USAian who has idly wished that Obama was anything like the ooga-booga scarecrow the RWNJs have been terrifying their base with. Instead of, ya know, a contemporary Democrat.

grumpyoldnurse
10 years ago

Oh, SNAP!! I just re-read my overly long post, and realised that I said I had ‘cast aspirations’ on someone’s intelligence.

I haz teh fail.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

In order for me to extent the same generous offer as katz I will require that Forehead’s next comment be delivered in classic movie musical song and dance form. The choice of song is up to you, whatever you feel would make it easiest to replace the lyrics with more of your usual troll blather.

Don’t forget to dance! Points will be awarded for choreography, musical performance, and how well the song you choose to adapt fits your chosen trolling themes. You will need a score of at least 75/100 to earn yourself a spot on the “people who Cassandra can be bothered paying attention to” list. Good luck!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Extend, rather. If it’s the extent of my potential patience with non-compliance you’re wondering about, the answer is “not much”. Now hop to it.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

@Robert,
Yes, the same way misogynist rants about how women can ruin a man’s reputation and send him to jail on a whim make me wish society took rape half as seriously.

“ACA is socialist!”
“Not nearly enough. Not nearly enough.”

kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

Yes, troll, you are being insulting. You’re terminally stupid, you’re a misogynist, and you are talking out of your arse expecting women to “educate” you here on a mockery blog. You’ve been told repeatedly to go but you’re insisting on staying where you’re not welcome: that is offensive behaviour anywhere. You’re boring as all get-out, and that itself is in breach of the comment rules. This isn’t your platform. Nobody owes you jack shit. Fuck off, you’re not wanted, you slimy little doucheweasel.

samantha
10 years ago
Reply to  grumpyoldnurse

@ emilygoddess – I blame the modern education system. Seriously, when the populace is dumbed down, it’s easier to manipulate them with bad PR spin, and then we wind up voting in neo-cons who gut the education system even further. It’s a downward spiral, and we are doomed.

@grumpyoldnurse – I agree with you completely. I would add, however, that gerrymandering, trying to (and succeeding in) removing some folks right to vote, and using electronic voting to steal elections also figure into putting the worst people in office. An interesting aside – here in Oregon, where we have paper ballots, really good voters pamphlets and mail-in voting – we voted Democrat for the most part. And, unlike the rest of the nation, we had 69.5 percent voter participation.

I am not happy with my country, but I am very happy with my state…especially with the voter turnout and pamphlet.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

I moved from Oregon to Washington, which also has paper ballots but the voter guide isn’t nearly as informative. Also, there are fewer places to drop off your ballot if you don’t feel like mailing it–in Oregon, the library always had a ballot box, but here it is either places like courthouses or a permanent box in a small park.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
10 years ago

Same for me here in Washington. We expanded background checks for gun purchases.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

The person two cars behind me in line for the park ballot box (it is a drive-through) may have “stood” in the closest thing Washington has for a voting line.

grumpyoldnurse
10 years ago

I would add, however, that gerrymandering, trying to (and succeeding in) removing some folks right to vote, and using electronic voting to steal elections also figure into putting the worst people in office.

Oh, absolutely! Election fraud (of all kinds) and failing education standards have a horrible kind of synergy when it comes to getting asshats elected.

We have paper ballots in Canada, but the Tories keep getting elected, anyway (usually with 30% of the popular vote, give or take). A multi party system doesn’t help ensure democracy, when the candidate with the most votes wins, no matter what percentage of the voters supported them. I really don’t know what the solution is.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Alaska, you’re silly.

So, we have to finish counting all the absentee ballots first (which totally have changed the election results in the past, so nothing’s definite yet) but it looks a lot like we’ve pulled another typical Alaska Silly.

In the ballot propositions, we voted to legalize cannabis, add EPA protections and regulations over mining, and raise the minimum wage.

Then, we promptly voted (almost) across the board for republican candidates.

Yep.

Typical.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Go home Alaska, you’re drunk. 😛

grumpyoldnurse
10 years ago

Alaska, home of the cognitive dissonance fairies.

I can see the ads, though. “Come for the scenery, stay for the confusion”.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Well, considering Stubbs (the Cat) is still mayor in Talkeetna, we aren’t doing everything wrong.

Just, somethings.

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