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A Voice for Men's Alison Tieman: Winning women the vote was “Feminism's first act of female supremacy.”

I don’t often write about Alison Tieman – the eccentric FeMRA videoblogger known better as Typhon Blue – in large part because, well, have you ever watched one of her videos? Her arguments and assertions bear so little relation to what the rest of us know as reality it’s as if she lives in some weird inverted world of her own making.

It’s rather difficult to address the arguments of someone when virtually everything she says is wrong – logically, historically, morally – in some fundamental way.

But I’m going to have a go at her latest video anyway, because, well, it’s only 4 minutes long, which will make unpacking its fractal wrongness a little less of a daunting task. Also, there’s a kitty in it.

In the video, Tieman, in the guise of “Professor Hamster,” makes the startling claim that Women’s Suffrage was “Feminism’s first act of female supremacy.”

How, you might wonder, does equality at the ballot box count as “female supremacy?”

Well, according to Tieman – one of A Voice for Men’s self-proclaimed Honey Badgers – it’s because women (at least in the US) don’t have to register for the draft.

This is an old argument of hers, based on the strange belief that voting rights for men in the United States are contingent on them signing up for selective service, something that’s not, you know, true. She seems to be confusing the United States with the fictional universe of Starship Troopers, in which “Service Guarantees Citizenship.”

In any case, because suffragettes didn’t demand to be drafted when they demanded the vote their demand, Tieman concludes that they weren’t seeking equality but supremacy.

Never mind that at the time the notion of women being drafted would have struck the general public as absurd.

Never mind that when draft registration was being considered for reinstatement in 1981, the National Organization for Women sued to have registration expanded to women as well, because not requiring women to register would relegate them “to second-class citizenship by exclusion from a fundamental obligation of citizenship,” as the New York Times summarized their position.

Ultimately, over NOW’s objections, the Supreme Court ruled that registration could be restricted to men only. The all-male Supreme Court; the court didn’t get its first female Justice, Sandra Day O’Connor, until later that year.

For all of the hullabaloo, the requirement that men register for the draft is an essentially meaningless “obligation.” The draft is a dead issue in the US, about as likely to be revived as Jarts.

Tieman goes on to note that “female suffrage enabled women to vote for wars that only men had to fight in.” In fact, as anyone who’s paid any attention to real world politics knows well, women are consistently less likely than men to support war.

Tieman’s arguments about women’s suffrage are just bizarre. It’s when she starts talking about the civil rights movement that she moves beyond bizarre to offensive.

Throughout the video, she contrasts what she sees as the good and humble civil rights movement with the “privileged” and “entitled” suffragettes; it’s a strange and backwards argument, at odds with historical reality, and one that insults not only the suffragettes but our greatest civil rights heroes as well. “During the civil rights movement,” she proclaims,

black moderates believed that black people needed to EARN their civil rights. Extremists at the time believed that blacks people should receive their rights by virtue of being human beings. …

Minorities felt they had to earn their rights and often had to make enormous sacrifices in war prior to even having their requests for rights considered reasonable. Women felt they were simply owed. …

Minorities approached suffrage from the usual mentality of people who are actually oppressed: We have to earn everything, including citizenship rights. Whereas women approached the issue of suffrage from a mentality of privilege and entitlement: We are owed our rights.

Where even to start with this jumble of wrongness?

Let’s start with her most basic misapprehension, that human rights are something that have to be earned. In fact, the basic premise of human rights is that we have certain rights because we are human beings. This isn’t entitlement or extremism; it is the fundamental basis of democracy.

You would think that someone who calls herself a Men’s Human Rights Activist would have a better understanding of the rudiments of  human rights.

In the Declaration of Independence, you may recall, Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed “that all men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” He didn’t say they had to earn these rights; he said that they were born with them.

Granted, it took quite some time before this sentiment applied not only to white men but also to women and African-Americans, but this had nothing to do with anyone “earning” rights; it had to do with the fact that some human beings were seen as more human than others.

When Martin Luther King made his case for civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s, he harked back explicitly to Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence. In his most famous speech, delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington in 1963, he declared

In a sense we have come to our nation’s capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. …

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”

This was not the first time he had made this argument. In a 1957 speech also delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, he declared that

The denial of this sacred right [to vote] is a tragic betrayal of the highest mandates of our democratic traditions and its is democracy turned upside down.

So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind — it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact — I can only submit to the edict of others.

It’s our humanity, not a signature on a selective service registration form, that entitles all of us to the right to vote.

If the Men’s Rights Movement wants to campaign to end selective service registration, go for it. Just don’t pretend that this has anything to do with the right to vote. Or that demanding basic human rights is a sign of “entitlement,” much less “female supremacy.”

Also, maybe lose the stupid hat?

Below, a song that kept popping into my head as I tried to make sense of Tieman’s most peculiar views. Well, the chorus anyway; the rest of the lyrics don’t really fit.

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M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
10 years ago

Trolls are even less amusing when they blatantly don’t believe their own word vomit than when they do, and trolls are never amusing.

cupisnique
cupisnique
10 years ago

” You will be pleased that the closest Republican representative to my area was a woman!”

There’s just so much wrong in this statement. . .

The fact that you think we would care that this particular Republican is a woman is very telling. We are not the ones who think gender is the most important factor. In fact, we would prefer if people considered other things (like their politics) over gender, that’s kinda the point of feminism, in case you missed that.

pecunium
10 years ago

I truly don’t know anything. Obviously. Allow me to pontificate anyway. Aside from my completely off base ideas about equality

At last a statement with some truth.

But hey, that attempt to trump the arguments against you with a rhetorical dodge; full of begged questions and imputations of our failure to acutally address what’s wrong with your off-base ideas, doesn’t really change the situation: you are defending the indefensible, with the myth of a contested middle; dressed up with more dishonest persiflage (i.e. the idea that anyone here has accused you of being for torture, slavery, etc).

mildlymagnificent
10 years ago

Rather, I will join USians in being sick to death of our political system. Districts should be drawn by computers, not gerrymandered by partisans for one thing. For another, Democratic leaning voters need to start getting of their lazy asses and fucking voting in midterms. Making election day a national holiday would help with this.

Hah. No such problems in Australia.
A. Electorate boundaries use computer generated statistics but they are actually drawn up by an independent commission. They take submissions from political parties about possible boundaries but the parties can’t directly determine them. If they really get all fussed up about the eventual decision, they have the right to appeal the decision to a court. ( Much the same as a court of disputed returns when results are close and the validity of some votes is in question.)
B. No holiday required for voting. Election day is always a Saturday. Because voting is compulsory there are election booths in practically every school, church and community hall in the country. Unless you stay indoors all day with no radio or other information, it’s almost impossible to miss out on seeing a polling place.

mildlymagnificent
10 years ago

” You will be pleased that the closest Republican representative to my area was a woman!”

Yeah, right. Feminists all think Maggie Thatcher was a wonderful leader just because she was a woman.

Not quite. Most feminists think that Thatcher is yet another demonstration that a powerful woman can be just as bad as a similarly powerful man.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

There’s no such thing as a “post racial era,” troll. Limbaugh is lying to you. Zombie.

Also, if you’re Republican, wouldn’t you find it evasive for tribunals to judge people for saying “fuck you” to someone? Republicans are all about limited government these days, yeah? And so is the Tea Party, which, along with billionaires, have totally co-opted the party.

That’s OK. Hillary will make things all better soon. 🙂

Kitteh, that image is priceless.

pecunium
10 years ago

Beamster: Sorry, it took a bit to read all the replies.

Why bother to read them if you are just going to pretend they never happened?

Yes, I do feel discriminated against,

How? In what ways are you disadvantaged before the law? What social mores denigrate you? What peer pressure is being used to oppress you? In what ways are your options limited?

regale me.

(comments like Bina’s with… “as a white male? Fuck. YOU.” definitely seem to fit the category of discrimination if not race and gender based violence with a dash of hatred mixed in. At least to me.)

Aren’t you a delicate flower.

To be more on point, this is more emblematic of your ignorance (and interlocutory ineptitude). Being insulted, and/or told to fuck off, is not discrimination.

It may be hateful, but so what?* Anyone here who is hating on you has zero ability to affect your life. As such it can’t be discrimination. It’s just invective.

Get over yourself.

*and to be honest, I don’t think it’s hateful, I think you asked for it, and deserved it, and that people telling you to fuck off are engaging in a rational, reasonable, and understandable behavior. You are being an arrogant prick, and since you won’t stop yuo deserve to be told where to go (which is probably a journey best begun with a long walk off a short pier).

pecunium
10 years ago

well deserved?

Those are the people who are against the equality you pretend to laud.

Why, BTW, do you think that some republican being elected will be magically OK because she’s a woman… what with your complaint about the comments on the OP being that we didn’t give the woman who wrote the drivel you support (contra your assertion of all people equal before the law) being that we don’t give them credit.

Prima facie we don’t give women a free pass.

Ideas need merit to get approval, and gender has fuck all to do with it.

pecunium
10 years ago

Shiraz, A Clinton in the White House is the last thing I want. Especially Hillary (the jury is still out on Chelsea). She’s to the right of Bill, and he’s pretty damned far to the right of me.

I want Elizabeth Warren. And I want her to have long coat-tail, as well as to inspire more dems to do what she did; and pick a side.

pecunium
10 years ago

I will say Republican Scott Brown impressed me: he is the first man to lose two senate races to two different women.

I’d like to see him extend the streak.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

I love Elizabeth Warren! I so wish she’d run…and win!

But see, people like baseball cap guy react to Hillary like vampires react to garlic, so I invoked her name.

vaiyt
10 years ago

(Again I am thinking that ‘obligations’ may put some people off as it didn’t seem that popular and idea when I suggested that citizenship and the right to vote be attached some form of obligation such as contributing to the community.)

I could ask you what counts as contribution for you, but fuck this noise, let’s go straight to the point. Conditional voting rights are good for one thing and one thing only – removing power and agency from a segment of society.

Who are the people you think should have no representation, and why?

Please be specific.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

I didn’t find the Battle of Pellenor Fields, I did find this:

And this:

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

There’s always this epic battle

kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

Morgoth and Sauron really missed a trick, didn’t they? Developing ultra-cute corgi pups and kittens would have won all their battles much more easily. The Elves and Dwarves and Men would have dropped their weapons, lost in a great cry of AWWWWWW!

katz
10 years ago

A Clinton in the White House is the last thing I want.

Surely not the last thing you want.

kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

::thinks of Mittens in the White House … or Santorum … or so many other Republican filthbags::

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Huh, I’d have said something like “the apocalypse” or “a plague outbreak that kills billions of people” or “for humans to lose the robot war”, but sure, I guess “someone I don’t like as President” would be terrible too. Priorities, what are those?

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

Yes, I do feel discriminated against, in a era which I just heard described on the radio as a post-racism age. I hardly think that’s accurate given the circumstances.

Did you hear that on Sirus’ “Babblative: Random Things That Aren’t Even Remotely True”? I love that show, I must have missed that episode.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I feel discriminated against as a purple cat. Where are my tribunals? Who can I turn to when someone says, hey, cats can’t vote so neener neener?

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

Like Vaiyt, I’m perversely curious which adult U.S. citizens Beamer wishes to see disenfranchised. The unemployed? Non-taxpayers? Non-landowners? Anyone receiving government entitlements earmarked for the poor, rather than the government entitlements going to the non-poor and businesses?

Hey Beamer, I think adult felons should be allowed to vote and one of these adorable corgi’s should take a symbolic dump on your brainless non-ideas about ephemeral citizen tests but then again I’m a primate.

thebeam2008
thebeam2008
10 years ago

Yowza!!! I am so confused as the Republicans won by a landslide and are super popular…but not so much here?? So weird. I thought you would be happy that the will of the people was expressed to form a government of the people in this periodic election (where women and people of every color) got a secret, free vote… sure it might be improved upon somewhat but isn’t the above well within the feminist framework of giving equality to all??

I am so confused by all these comments!

Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives. But there is much discontent here! :/

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

This is the weakest trolling I’ve ever seen. Damn, son, is this supposed to be your A game?

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

I dunno, maybe his A game is baseball.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
10 years ago

D00d, you aren’t clever enough to troll this blog. You fail to meet minimum standards.

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