I don’t often write about Alison Tieman – the eccentric FeMRA videoblogger known better as Typhon Blue – in large part because, well, have you ever watched one of her videos? Her arguments and assertions bear so little relation to what the rest of us know as reality it’s as if she lives in some weird inverted world of her own making.
It’s rather difficult to address the arguments of someone when virtually everything she says is wrong – logically, historically, morally – in some fundamental way.
But I’m going to have a go at her latest video anyway, because, well, it’s only 4 minutes long, which will make unpacking its fractal wrongness a little less of a daunting task. Also, there’s a kitty in it.
In the video, Tieman, in the guise of “Professor Hamster,” makes the startling claim that Women’s Suffrage was “Feminism’s first act of female supremacy.”
How, you might wonder, does equality at the ballot box count as “female supremacy?”
Well, according to Tieman – one of A Voice for Men’s self-proclaimed Honey Badgers – it’s because women (at least in the US) don’t have to register for the draft.
This is an old argument of hers, based on the strange belief that voting rights for men in the United States are contingent on them signing up for selective service, something that’s not, you know, true. She seems to be confusing the United States with the fictional universe of Starship Troopers, in which “Service Guarantees Citizenship.”
In any case, because suffragettes didn’t demand to be drafted when they demanded the vote their demand, Tieman concludes that they weren’t seeking equality but supremacy.
Never mind that at the time the notion of women being drafted would have struck the general public as absurd.
Never mind that when draft registration was being considered for reinstatement in 1981, the National Organization for Women sued to have registration expanded to women as well, because not requiring women to register would relegate them “to second-class citizenship by exclusion from a fundamental obligation of citizenship,” as the New York Times summarized their position.
Ultimately, over NOW’s objections, the Supreme Court ruled that registration could be restricted to men only. The all-male Supreme Court; the court didn’t get its first female Justice, Sandra Day O’Connor, until later that year.
For all of the hullabaloo, the requirement that men register for the draft is an essentially meaningless “obligation.” The draft is a dead issue in the US, about as likely to be revived as Jarts.
Tieman goes on to note that “female suffrage enabled women to vote for wars that only men had to fight in.” In fact, as anyone who’s paid any attention to real world politics knows well, women are consistently less likely than men to support war.
Tieman’s arguments about women’s suffrage are just bizarre. It’s when she starts talking about the civil rights movement that she moves beyond bizarre to offensive.
Throughout the video, she contrasts what she sees as the good and humble civil rights movement with the “privileged” and “entitled” suffragettes; it’s a strange and backwards argument, at odds with historical reality, and one that insults not only the suffragettes but our greatest civil rights heroes as well. “During the civil rights movement,” she proclaims,
black moderates believed that black people needed to EARN their civil rights. Extremists at the time believed that blacks people should receive their rights by virtue of being human beings. …
Minorities felt they had to earn their rights and often had to make enormous sacrifices in war prior to even having their requests for rights considered reasonable. Women felt they were simply owed. …
Minorities approached suffrage from the usual mentality of people who are actually oppressed: We have to earn everything, including citizenship rights. Whereas women approached the issue of suffrage from a mentality of privilege and entitlement: We are owed our rights.
Where even to start with this jumble of wrongness?
Let’s start with her most basic misapprehension, that human rights are something that have to be earned. In fact, the basic premise of human rights is that we have certain rights because we are human beings. This isn’t entitlement or extremism; it is the fundamental basis of democracy.
You would think that someone who calls herself a Men’s Human Rights Activist would have a better understanding of the rudiments of human rights.
In the Declaration of Independence, you may recall, Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed “that all men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” He didn’t say they had to earn these rights; he said that they were born with them.
Granted, it took quite some time before this sentiment applied not only to white men but also to women and African-Americans, but this had nothing to do with anyone “earning” rights; it had to do with the fact that some human beings were seen as more human than others.
When Martin Luther King made his case for civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s, he harked back explicitly to Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence. In his most famous speech, delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington in 1963, he declared
In a sense we have come to our nation’s capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. …
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”
This was not the first time he had made this argument. In a 1957 speech also delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, he declared that
The denial of this sacred right [to vote] is a tragic betrayal of the highest mandates of our democratic traditions and its is democracy turned upside down.
So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind — it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact — I can only submit to the edict of others.
It’s our humanity, not a signature on a selective service registration form, that entitles all of us to the right to vote.
If the Men’s Rights Movement wants to campaign to end selective service registration, go for it. Just don’t pretend that this has anything to do with the right to vote. Or that demanding basic human rights is a sign of “entitlement,” much less “female supremacy.”
Also, maybe lose the stupid hat?
Below, a song that kept popping into my head as I tried to make sense of Tieman’s most peculiar views. Well, the chorus anyway; the rest of the lyrics don’t really fit.
Pallygirl, if you ever form that party I will immigrate to wherever you live and vote for you!
Yes, I do feel discriminated against, in a era which I just heard described on the radio as a post-racism age. I hardly think that’s accurate given the circumstances.
I think I, and everyone else should have a fundamental right to an effective remedy by ….hmmm…national tribunals (?) for acts violating the fundamental human rights (such as being prejudiced against on the basis of race and gender).
(comments like Bina’s with… “as a white male? Fuck. YOU.” definitely seem to fit the category of discrimination if not race and gender based violence with a dash of hatred mixed in. At least to me.)
@ thebeam2008 – that’s not really discrimination, though, as Bina doesn’t have the power to fire you, or kick you out of your home, or prevent you voting, or literally start a mob to attack you. What that’s called is an insult. It probably hurt your feelings, but you weren’t actually discriminated against.
|thebeam2008 has just absolutely no idea what race-based violence is, huh?
No, Ugh. No he doesn’t.
But being told “fuck you” because he’s mansplaining his total lack of racial or gender privilege hurt his feeeeeellllllllllllinnnnnggggssss. So. Very. Much.
That’s because you’re an idiot. You think that if the whole world is not bowing down to you as a white male, begging to suck your cock, you’re somehow being “discriminated against” and “hated”. When, in actual fact, people are simply pointing out to you that YOU. ARE. AN. IDIOT.
I guess, though, that you should be thankful that stupid people aren’t barred from voting. Because if they were, I’m sure you wouldn’t know what the inside of a voting booth even looks like.
http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/emo.jpg
Just to be clear: thebeam thinks he should be able to drag Bina in front of some kind of tribunal for saying “fuck you” to him on the Internet. He also thinks being told “fuck you” is violence.
I can’t even.
So do the Koch Brothers.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/Gollumcat-77675.jpg
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@ emilygoddess – doncha know? It’s OK to call out meanie mean language, but it’s not OK to use meanie mean language to call out bigoted, discriminatory, or abusive ideas. And no one is ever allowed to questions someone else’s intelligence, no matter how poorly the first person displays it. (It says so in “How to Even for Dummies” – I pulled mine off the shelf earlier in this thread)
@ vaiyt – LOL. Also zing!
Yup, totally the equivalent of this:
[Mod note: picture converted to link because likely to be horribly triggering.]
OMG kitteh! I die!!!! (but at least I die happy)
Oooh. My last comment feels really inappropriate right now. 0.o Sorry, all.
Are the battle corgis not the greatest thing ever? And kitties being the One Ring only tells us what we knew already.
Battle corgis are now on my bucket list. Which is weird, because I didn’t know I had a bucket list.
Also loving the gollum kitty!
As for the ring of cats, did they use crazy glue? Cause, otherwise, I got nothing.
With respect to my comment above, I am thinking an independent and impartial tribunal for a fair and public hearing to determine my rights (as a white male) or other’s rights and or obligations.
(Again I am thinking that ‘obligations’ may put some people off as it didn’t seem that popular and idea when I suggested that citizenship and the right to vote be attached some form of obligation such as contributing to the community.)
And speaking of voting…How happy are you that the REPUBLICANS WON by a well deserved landslide!?!! You will be pleased that the closest Republican representative to my area was a woman! <3
“I am thinking an independent and impartial tribunal for a fair and public hearing to determine my rights (as a white male)”
You know that shit already happened in the 1780s, right?
No, Ugh. No, he doesn’t.
That awkward moment when the troll tips his hand and you feel stupid for not spotting him sooner.
Fuck off, racist, sexist scumbag. When you’re in danger of being raped because of your sex, or in danger of being shot by police for existing while black, you can talk about discrimination against you.
Hey, highbeam, the mods don’t like you. Is that a ban hammer I hear in the distance?
::thump thump thump thump::
How on earth do you get 20 cats to stay in place long enough to take a picture?
Oh, fuck off. You’re about to get fairly banned. Suck it.