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A Voice for Men's Alison Tieman: Winning women the vote was “Feminism's first act of female supremacy.”

I don’t often write about Alison Tieman – the eccentric FeMRA videoblogger known better as Typhon Blue – in large part because, well, have you ever watched one of her videos? Her arguments and assertions bear so little relation to what the rest of us know as reality it’s as if she lives in some weird inverted world of her own making.

It’s rather difficult to address the arguments of someone when virtually everything she says is wrong – logically, historically, morally – in some fundamental way.

But I’m going to have a go at her latest video anyway, because, well, it’s only 4 minutes long, which will make unpacking its fractal wrongness a little less of a daunting task. Also, there’s a kitty in it.

In the video, Tieman, in the guise of “Professor Hamster,” makes the startling claim that Women’s Suffrage was “Feminism’s first act of female supremacy.”

How, you might wonder, does equality at the ballot box count as “female supremacy?”

Well, according to Tieman – one of A Voice for Men’s self-proclaimed Honey Badgers – it’s because women (at least in the US) don’t have to register for the draft.

This is an old argument of hers, based on the strange belief that voting rights for men in the United States are contingent on them signing up for selective service, something that’s not, you know, true. She seems to be confusing the United States with the fictional universe of Starship Troopers, in which “Service Guarantees Citizenship.”

In any case, because suffragettes didn’t demand to be drafted when they demanded the vote their demand, Tieman concludes that they weren’t seeking equality but supremacy.

Never mind that at the time the notion of women being drafted would have struck the general public as absurd.

Never mind that when draft registration was being considered for reinstatement in 1981, the National Organization for Women sued to have registration expanded to women as well, because not requiring women to register would relegate them “to second-class citizenship by exclusion from a fundamental obligation of citizenship,” as the New York Times summarized their position.

Ultimately, over NOW’s objections, the Supreme Court ruled that registration could be restricted to men only. The all-male Supreme Court; the court didn’t get its first female Justice, Sandra Day O’Connor, until later that year.

For all of the hullabaloo, the requirement that men register for the draft is an essentially meaningless “obligation.” The draft is a dead issue in the US, about as likely to be revived as Jarts.

Tieman goes on to note that “female suffrage enabled women to vote for wars that only men had to fight in.” In fact, as anyone who’s paid any attention to real world politics knows well, women are consistently less likely than men to support war.

Tieman’s arguments about women’s suffrage are just bizarre. It’s when she starts talking about the civil rights movement that she moves beyond bizarre to offensive.

Throughout the video, she contrasts what she sees as the good and humble civil rights movement with the “privileged” and “entitled” suffragettes; it’s a strange and backwards argument, at odds with historical reality, and one that insults not only the suffragettes but our greatest civil rights heroes as well. “During the civil rights movement,” she proclaims,

black moderates believed that black people needed to EARN their civil rights. Extremists at the time believed that blacks people should receive their rights by virtue of being human beings. …

Minorities felt they had to earn their rights and often had to make enormous sacrifices in war prior to even having their requests for rights considered reasonable. Women felt they were simply owed. …

Minorities approached suffrage from the usual mentality of people who are actually oppressed: We have to earn everything, including citizenship rights. Whereas women approached the issue of suffrage from a mentality of privilege and entitlement: We are owed our rights.

Where even to start with this jumble of wrongness?

Let’s start with her most basic misapprehension, that human rights are something that have to be earned. In fact, the basic premise of human rights is that we have certain rights because we are human beings. This isn’t entitlement or extremism; it is the fundamental basis of democracy.

You would think that someone who calls herself a Men’s Human Rights Activist would have a better understanding of the rudiments of  human rights.

In the Declaration of Independence, you may recall, Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed “that all men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” He didn’t say they had to earn these rights; he said that they were born with them.

Granted, it took quite some time before this sentiment applied not only to white men but also to women and African-Americans, but this had nothing to do with anyone “earning” rights; it had to do with the fact that some human beings were seen as more human than others.

When Martin Luther King made his case for civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s, he harked back explicitly to Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence. In his most famous speech, delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington in 1963, he declared

In a sense we have come to our nation’s capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. …

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”

This was not the first time he had made this argument. In a 1957 speech also delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, he declared that

The denial of this sacred right [to vote] is a tragic betrayal of the highest mandates of our democratic traditions and its is democracy turned upside down.

So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind — it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact — I can only submit to the edict of others.

It’s our humanity, not a signature on a selective service registration form, that entitles all of us to the right to vote.

If the Men’s Rights Movement wants to campaign to end selective service registration, go for it. Just don’t pretend that this has anything to do with the right to vote. Or that demanding basic human rights is a sign of “entitlement,” much less “female supremacy.”

Also, maybe lose the stupid hat?

Below, a song that kept popping into my head as I tried to make sense of Tieman’s most peculiar views. Well, the chorus anyway; the rest of the lyrics don’t really fit.

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kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

Ew no, I’m not contaminating my lovely* new vac with trollboy brain snot!

*hopefully lovely, anyway

grumpyoldnurse
grumpyoldnurse
10 years ago

Why sacrifice a perfectly good vacuum cleaner on a regular old troll? Waste of appliances!

mildlymagnificent
10 years ago

baseball boy. You may be a bit perplexed by the reactions from this group to your mention of 50 Kinds of Dreck.

You really need to follow up on those Feminism 101 links. But that book is one of the worst things you could ever use as an intro to discussions about sexuality and its various expressions. Not because all feminists are killjoy prudes, but because there’s no joy to be had where there’s no consent. That book is an abusers’ manual, not a pathway to erotic ecstasy.

Start here http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/aug/25/fifty-shades-submissive-sophie-morgan with a different look at this misguided, misinforming book. Then here http://lyncockburn.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/50-shades-of-dreck.html

This girl doesn’t need a safe word; she needs a Taser and pepper spray.

If you seriously want to get informed on BDSM-done-properly I suggest you start at http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/ . You’ll find links there to other sites of you’re really interested. (Though I think the first thing you’d want to do would be to find one of more sexual partners who’s also interested who will read up on this stuff as well.)

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

/chants the no-more BDSM chat spell

kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

/joins the no-more-BDSM-chat chant

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I feel like encouraging this guy to try BSDM is like handing a small child a box of matches and some tinder.

samantha
10 years ago

Well, here in the U.S., the Republicans – the party of MRA’s, Tea Partiers and all- around hateful and regressive assholes – has won both the House and the Senate, once again proving that if you are evil enough and have the Koch brothers et al to back you and steal elections, you can go far. The only hope I have is that they might not have a veto-proof majority.

On a happier note, here in Oregon the state Equal Rights Amendment passed, our democratic governor, congressman and senator retained their positions, and the marijauna legalization for recreational use passed. Sadly, however, Oregon has NO power on a national level (except, of course, for the congressman and senator). Measure 92, to have GMO labeling, is too close to call right now.

WHY to people keep voting for fools and evil dudes who do NOT have our best interests at heart? And why are so many people opposed to even examining whether the voting machines have been tampered with…especially after the elections since 2000 have all been – how shall I say it – SUSPECT?????

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
10 years ago

I know. I am up here in Washington thinking WTF? 40 more votes to repeal the ACA and a side of impeachment. Two more years of tax cuts for the sponsors. Criminy!

katz
10 years ago

Hey, katz, nice avatar!

Thanks, bit of shameless self-promotion.

marinerachel
10 years ago

I don’t care for baseball.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Tell me again how a bi-cameral legislature is an improvement over a uni-cameral parliament. 😛

katz
10 years ago

Um, is anyone here a fan of legislatures over parliaments? Not I.

Fuck national politics, but over here, we voted to improve our water infrastructure, stabilize funding for education, and reduce drug offenses to misdemeanors.

kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

Oh fuck, that stinks. No surprise, but bloody depressing to think how much worse it’s going to get in the US now.

samantha
10 years ago

I am so sick of American politics. The Republicans gerrymander wherever they can, thereby stealing the House. They support the most repressive and regressive policies, handing the rich everything they want. The Koch brothers and their ilk virtually run the damned country. Oregon is at least relatively sane.

But what REALLY gets me steamed is the fact that so many people are constantly conned into voting against their own interests! FUCKS News tells HUGE lies and, instead of doing five minutes of research, people obediently run out and religiously vote for whatever they are told.

ARGH!!!!!!

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

I think the whole Westminster style of democracy is fundamentally broken. It was not designed to deal adequately with complicated policy issues – which is what governments face now.

I joke that I want to set up the Evidence Party – we’ll implement policy on the basis of what the evidence tells us works, not on the basis of ideology. We’ll still have select committees to hear evidence from submitters, but the evidence needs to be just that – evidence (qualitative evidence okay). With respect to ethics, it will be feminist.

I don’t think the conservatives will like the probable drug policy for a start. And I propose shifting to an inquisitorial justice system, and introducing the verdict “not proven”.

kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

And I propose shifting to an inquisitorial justice system, and introducing the verdict “not proven”.

Do we get to use the soft cushion and the comfy chair?

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Yes, and I will ensure there is a budget for scented fucking candles. But not flowers, they give me hayfever.

kittehserf - MOD
10 years ago

And we will begin every trial by rushing in and shouting “No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!”

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Ooooo we need scarlet velvet gowns, floor length. In a flattering shade of scarlet, some of those reds can be really harsh to wear.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Can’t they be wine red instead? Claret, burgandy, whatever. This can symbolize the evil decadence of our feminazisocialistliberalmisandricagainstwhitepeople system, and our natural female tendency towards overindulgence.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

Done! And to keep our throats damp while asking questions, we’ll have mugs of male tears for liquid refreshment.

mildlymagnificent
10 years ago

I think the whole Westminster style of democracy is fundamentally broken. It was not designed to deal adequately with complicated policy issues – which is what governments face now.

The USA operates on a ‘restraint of executive power’ basis rather than a Westminster democratic parliamentary system.

The founding fathers might have been very clever chappies, but they were trying to solve a heap of different problems all at once. They tried to set up a system that both killed off the theocratic-despotic ambitions of the worst of the Puritans and simultaneously ensure that an elected president would not have the same powers/ freedom of independent action as the monarchs of Britain and Europe had at that time — alongside keeping sweet with all the various interest groups locally. The principles and structures have worked pretty well when the constitution has been updated by amendments and less antiquated judicial interpretations but they can’t overturn or negate the basics.

What the dear old FF couldn’t foresee was that those horrible emperors and degenerate absolute monarchies could fade away entirely, or become ceremonial only, or reduce to a handful of transient, not-quite-stateless dependents of their more cashed up, stable aristocratic/ royal relatives. None of them – at least in Europe – now have anything like executive power as generally understood. So we now have the USA (and a few other republics which used the same model) with a more rigid, difficult-to-get-stuff-done system of government than many of the other former colonies of Britain (eg Canada, Australia, NZ) and the European democracies.

mildlymagnificent
10 years ago

ninja’d – sort of. While I’m getting all fussed, everyone else was having fun.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Funny note – when my family went to Texas for the first time several of my classmates thought that the Queen actually did rule in the UK. Apparently they’d seen something on TV where people were bowing and assumed that meant that she was still in charge. That was a difficult thing to try to explain, aged 8, how it could still be standard practice for people to bow/curtsy and so on and not mean that she had any real power in a governmental sense.

katz
10 years ago

I joke that I want to set up the Evidence Party – we’ll implement policy on the basis of what the evidence tells us works, not on the basis of ideology. We’ll still have select committees to hear evidence from submitters, but the evidence needs to be just that – evidence (qualitative evidence okay). With respect to ethics, it will be feminist.

I know you’re just joking, but the trouble is that that’s what everyone already thinks they’re doing.

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