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A Voice for Men's Alison Tieman: Winning women the vote was “Feminism's first act of female supremacy.”

I don’t often write about Alison Tieman – the eccentric FeMRA videoblogger known better as Typhon Blue – in large part because, well, have you ever watched one of her videos? Her arguments and assertions bear so little relation to what the rest of us know as reality it’s as if she lives in some weird inverted world of her own making.

It’s rather difficult to address the arguments of someone when virtually everything she says is wrong – logically, historically, morally – in some fundamental way.

But I’m going to have a go at her latest video anyway, because, well, it’s only 4 minutes long, which will make unpacking its fractal wrongness a little less of a daunting task. Also, there’s a kitty in it.

In the video, Tieman, in the guise of “Professor Hamster,” makes the startling claim that Women’s Suffrage was “Feminism’s first act of female supremacy.”

How, you might wonder, does equality at the ballot box count as “female supremacy?”

Well, according to Tieman – one of A Voice for Men’s self-proclaimed Honey Badgers – it’s because women (at least in the US) don’t have to register for the draft.

This is an old argument of hers, based on the strange belief that voting rights for men in the United States are contingent on them signing up for selective service, something that’s not, you know, true. She seems to be confusing the United States with the fictional universe of Starship Troopers, in which “Service Guarantees Citizenship.”

In any case, because suffragettes didn’t demand to be drafted when they demanded the vote their demand, Tieman concludes that they weren’t seeking equality but supremacy.

Never mind that at the time the notion of women being drafted would have struck the general public as absurd.

Never mind that when draft registration was being considered for reinstatement in 1981, the National Organization for Women sued to have registration expanded to women as well, because not requiring women to register would relegate them “to second-class citizenship by exclusion from a fundamental obligation of citizenship,” as the New York Times summarized their position.

Ultimately, over NOW’s objections, the Supreme Court ruled that registration could be restricted to men only. The all-male Supreme Court; the court didn’t get its first female Justice, Sandra Day O’Connor, until later that year.

For all of the hullabaloo, the requirement that men register for the draft is an essentially meaningless “obligation.” The draft is a dead issue in the US, about as likely to be revived as Jarts.

Tieman goes on to note that “female suffrage enabled women to vote for wars that only men had to fight in.” In fact, as anyone who’s paid any attention to real world politics knows well, women are consistently less likely than men to support war.

Tieman’s arguments about women’s suffrage are just bizarre. It’s when she starts talking about the civil rights movement that she moves beyond bizarre to offensive.

Throughout the video, she contrasts what she sees as the good and humble civil rights movement with the “privileged” and “entitled” suffragettes; it’s a strange and backwards argument, at odds with historical reality, and one that insults not only the suffragettes but our greatest civil rights heroes as well. “During the civil rights movement,” she proclaims,

black moderates believed that black people needed to EARN their civil rights. Extremists at the time believed that blacks people should receive their rights by virtue of being human beings. …

Minorities felt they had to earn their rights and often had to make enormous sacrifices in war prior to even having their requests for rights considered reasonable. Women felt they were simply owed. …

Minorities approached suffrage from the usual mentality of people who are actually oppressed: We have to earn everything, including citizenship rights. Whereas women approached the issue of suffrage from a mentality of privilege and entitlement: We are owed our rights.

Where even to start with this jumble of wrongness?

Let’s start with her most basic misapprehension, that human rights are something that have to be earned. In fact, the basic premise of human rights is that we have certain rights because we are human beings. This isn’t entitlement or extremism; it is the fundamental basis of democracy.

You would think that someone who calls herself a Men’s Human Rights Activist would have a better understanding of the rudiments of  human rights.

In the Declaration of Independence, you may recall, Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed “that all men are … endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” He didn’t say they had to earn these rights; he said that they were born with them.

Granted, it took quite some time before this sentiment applied not only to white men but also to women and African-Americans, but this had nothing to do with anyone “earning” rights; it had to do with the fact that some human beings were seen as more human than others.

When Martin Luther King made his case for civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s, he harked back explicitly to Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence. In his most famous speech, delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington in 1963, he declared

In a sense we have come to our nation’s capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. …

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”

This was not the first time he had made this argument. In a 1957 speech also delivered on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, he declared that

The denial of this sacred right [to vote] is a tragic betrayal of the highest mandates of our democratic traditions and its is democracy turned upside down.

So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind — it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact — I can only submit to the edict of others.

It’s our humanity, not a signature on a selective service registration form, that entitles all of us to the right to vote.

If the Men’s Rights Movement wants to campaign to end selective service registration, go for it. Just don’t pretend that this has anything to do with the right to vote. Or that demanding basic human rights is a sign of “entitlement,” much less “female supremacy.”

Also, maybe lose the stupid hat?

Below, a song that kept popping into my head as I tried to make sense of Tieman’s most peculiar views. Well, the chorus anyway; the rest of the lyrics don’t really fit.

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damselindetech
10 years ago

” The draft is a dead issue in the US, about as likely to be revived as”

As? AS? What? Don’t leave us hanging, David! As likely to be revived as New Coke? The American Economy? Richard Nixon’s political career? Zombies? IS IT ZOMBIES, DAVID?!!

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

Poor kitty.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
10 years ago

Tieman goes on to note that “female suffrage enabled women to vote for wars that only men had to fight in.”

I’ve never actually seen, “Should the United States declare war on a foreign country? Yes [ ] No [ ]” on a ballot.

Extremists at the time believed that blacks people should receive their rights by virtue of being human beings.

Yes, those extremists, thinking that black people should not have to live in terror of lynching, or that their status as equal taxpayers should bring them equal benefits. What radicals they were, making such unreasonable demands.

Of course, it’s utterly ahistorical (and seemingly a uniquely white perspective) that black civil rights activists were meekly asking for their rights, you know, if that’s okay, I don’t mean to put you out or anything, but it would be swell if you could see it in your heart to stop treating black people like shit. The civil rights movement was, overall, physically non-violent, but that doesn’t mean the rhetoric was mild.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

The fact that Tieman doesn’t see human rights as inherent to all human beings says more about her than anything else.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
10 years ago

Do these feMRAs realise that reversing women’s suffrage would remove their own right to vote, not just the feminists’, and that they’d also lose their podiums to spout derp from (and that sweet sweet attention and ad revenue) as a result?

BelleChatonne
BelleChatonne
10 years ago

@damselindetech, I kind of assumed he left it blank intentionally, as if to say it was so unlikely as to have nothing to which to compare it.

But then, he could have meant zombies. Maybe zombie cats?

vaiyt
10 years ago

Racist POS is racist. There really isn’t anything to say to someone who thinks only White Massa can grant rights to minorities if they dance well enough. [rest of comment removed by DF]

bodycrimes
10 years ago

That woman is very strange.

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
10 years ago

I… That… She… Nope. Nothing.

tinyorc
10 years ago

So many people who hold up the civil rights movement up in direct comparison to the women’s liberation moment do not seem to understand that BLACK WOMEN EXIST. Honestly, it’s such blatant erasure to pretend that there was no intersection between suffrage and civil rights.

leftwingfox
10 years ago

Extremists at the time believed that blacks people should receive their rights by virtue of being human beings.

I figured that the MRA were confusing their unearned privileges with rights, but I never really expected any of them to make it explicit.

Kakanian
Kakanian
10 years ago

Should they not campaign to have the draft struck from all law or something…?

Also I remember that somebody thought that the draft was a good idea and would reduce the likeness of the US getting involved militarily, because certainly citizens would protest being shipped off to meaningless wars.

xyz
xyz
10 years ago

I’m repeatedly floored by how well these MRAs display the aspie traits of faulty logic and mind blindness.

http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/news/2011/mind-blindness-affects-moral-reasoning-in-autism

It’s easy for me to laugh or be horrified by their beliefs but is there any way to help them?

Howard Bannister
10 years ago

” The draft is a dead issue in the US, about as likely to be revived as”

As? AS? What? Don’t leave us hanging, David! As likely to be revived as New Coke? The American Economy? Richard Nixon’s political career? Zombies? IS IT ZOMBIES, DAVID?!!

…as that sentence?

Kane Thari
10 years ago

Oh, I understand. We didn’t earn our basic human rights, so we don’t deserve them….wait. What?

anonny
anonny
10 years ago

Racism 101: when discussing African-Americans, erase African-American women. They don’t exist for Ms. Tieman. For her the Civil Rights Movement had none, just men fighting in wars to obtain the vote. Yes. Offensive as well as clownish.

The MRA Big Lie strategy is to attack all the achievements of feminism, including the most indisputable ones, by announcing it ain’t so. It’s all empty provocation. She doesn’t believe it herself. She’s chuckling right after she turns off the tape. She’s a troll.

ikanreed
ikanreed
10 years ago

“We’re an EQUALITY movement”
“Women shouldn’t have the right to vote”
“We oppose gendered selective service”
“Feminists aren’t inclusive!”

What was that middle one again?
“We oppose gendered selective service?”

Always worse with the MRAs. Always.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

And all rights only exist in the US. There are those of us who live in countries who do not have the draft.

Oh wait. Doesn’t that mean that her “argument” is dead in the water in our countries?

Shhh don’t tell her that the only reason NZ has a professional military is to ensure that we women get our neverending supply of bonbons, scented fucking candles, and hard chairs. That’s how we choose which countries we will support on UN missions: the ones that are the key manufacturers of these items. We’re also close enough to the Antarctic that we’re on a first name basis with all the penguin whores.

cloudiah
10 years ago

Add the US civil rights movement to the long list of things Typhoid Blue knows nothing about but feels comfortable blathering on about.

Bad history makes me so mad.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
10 years ago
pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

LOL thanks @fruitloopsie. My only answer to that argument is that being the baker of the cookies normally means one gets an early shot at eating them. I guess that suggesting that a man bake cookies is misandry (although my partner purchased a box of cookie mix and keeps talking about how he’s going to bake a batch – we keep doing other things, and forget, he does bake nice cookies).

If the main issue that a person has to deal with is that they are down the list for being offered a cookie, they have a pretty soft life.

thermonictriode
10 years ago

They have to oppose the heck out of allowing women into the military, because it’s their trump card. If they couldn’t scream about teh mens being FORCED to die in wars (which are all fought at the behest of eeeeevil women), they’d be left with firefighters. And that’s not as much fun.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

In NZ, our police tend to die more frequently than our military, and taking organisational size into account, the police death rates are still higher. Women’s representation in Police is relatively low, but is being addressed proactively: http://www.neon.org.nz/census2010/police/ There is only one police force/jurisdiction in New Zealand. We also have female firefighters, and there are no “no women” barriers to any roles within the military – military women are welcome to try out for NZSAS.*

* NZSAS recruits from inside the military, so all applicants are existing military personnel.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Why do MRAs always think feminists are dying to send men off to war. Every feminist I know is pretty anti war. Have they not heard of Code Pink? Or the history of mother’s day?

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I hate how ignorant reactionaries are about MLB Jr (the only civil rights leader they know about). They think that he was a moderate because he was for nonviolence. Nope. He was a radical.

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