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Why pickup guru Roosh V resents women for “forcing” him to clip his fingernails and wipe his butt

Found on the #Meninist hashtag on Twitter
Found on the #Meninist hashtag on Twitter

The so-called pickup artists who inhabit a large portion of this thing called the manosphere are a strange bunch:  They devote much of their life to figuring out ways to appeal to women they don’t like or respect.

Apparently, for most of those who actually are out there “picking up” women and not just boasting about imaginary conquests on the internet, the sex is good enough (for them at least) to make their otherwise joyless endeavor worthwhile for them. And if the sex itself isn’t that great, well, at least they get to brag to their internet friends about how they conned some hot “slut” into having sex with them.

But what happens when the sex begins to lose its luster?

Well, we get what seems to be happening with pickup guru Roosh Valizadeh, who over the course of the last few months has been chronicling what amounts to an existential meltdown in a series of embittered posts on his blog. Roosh may not be self-aware enough to realize that’s what he’s been doing, but it’s pretty clear from the outside that he’s beginning to sense the fundamental hollowness of a life devoted to pursuing women he hates.

In these posts, Roosh spells out in detail just how resentful he feels to have to make even a small amount of effort to convince women to come home with him. In one post I wrote about earlier, he laments that his pursuit of women has turned him into a “clown” performing for the women he wants to fuck.

We are not men in the traditional sense—we are clowns. With our tight game we have to be entertainers who create drama and excitement in a girl’s life, just long enough so that she spreads her legs and makes sexy noises, and even though she did commit such an intimate act with us, she will soon lose interest or simply get bored, and then move on to the next shiny cock that catches her eye.

Huh. She’s using you, just as you’re using her? Poor baby.

In other posts, he seems almost ready to give up the lifestyle he makes a living promoting. In one, he complains about “expending labor and much more money to lay” a young women who looked a lot like one he had previously dated. Or, as he so charmingly describes her, like “an inferior version of a girl I had let go.” He complains that all of his options look bleak:

Unless I’m looking at an easy one-night stand opportunity, it’s illogical for me based on my experience to go on a date with a girl for any other reason than to enter some type of relationship with her, something that I don’t necessarily want. Otherwise it’s a waste of time that provides me with nothing more than entertainment. Even a one-night stand has lost its luster since the quality will be modest at best and condom use will be usually required, decreasing the overall sexual pleasure. It’s clear to me now that I don’t want what I used to want (as much), but at the same time I don’t care for something deeper. I’m afraid I may have already extracted the most satisfying rewards women could provide me in life, and that this particular oil well in running dry.

Emphasis mine.

In another, he wonders if, to paraphrase the old song, this is all there is:

Mini-relationships and harem maintenance are nothing more than entertainment and serious relationships are drudgery, one step away from slavery. Both are unsatisfactory.

So what’s the answer? Is it eternal bachelorhood, of banging a handful of new girls each season, hopping from one new mini-relationship to the next, but achieving no depth or novelty in what you haven’t achieved before, or is it making what could be the biggest mistake of your life by knocking a girl up and riding the fatherhood roller coaster for the next 20 years? … Or maybe the answer is that the happiness I have sought in women can’t be achieved at all, and whether I ride the slut carousel or settle down with one girl, I’ll still end up asking myself, “Is this it?”

Roosh bangs on some chicken. At least his beard is trimmed.
Roosh bangs on some chicken. At least his beard is trimmed.

Again, emphasis mine.

It’s a good question, and one I’m sure a lot of these women you “bang” ask themselves after you roll off them and go to sleep. Or possibly even during the sex itself.

But the strangest of Roosh’s many laments comes in a post titled “Men Must Groom More Than Cats To Get Laid,” in which he complains, in all seriousness, about having to clean the shit off his own ass.

The thesis of this odd little post of his is that these days straight men, in order to appeal to women, “have to groom more than women of 30 years ago,” a sad state of affairs that he fears “must make us the most feminized men to have ever existed.”

To make his case, he presents a long list of “the acts of grooming I’ve done at least once in the past week.”

You may notice that, despite the length of the list, most of the items on it aren’t exactly onerous tasks; indeed, many are pretty much the minimum required to function in a civilized society. I’ve bolded a few of them that caught my eye.

  • Floss my teeth
  • Brush my teeth
  • Scrape my tongue
  • Gargle with mouthwash
  • Pluck extra long and curly eyebrow hair that began to obstruct my vision
  • Trim my beard
  • Shave my neck
  • Trim ear hair
  • Trim nose hair
  • Apply baking soda to arm pits
  • Apply and remove contact lenses
  • Wipe my ass thoroughly
  • Shower
  • Stroke my balls with my hand and then smell it to ensure lack of odor
  • Apply benzoyl peroxide to a pimple
  • Apply lip moisturizer
  • Apply face moisturizer
  • Remove boogers and other debris form my nose
  • Comb my hair
  • Trim my sideburns
  • Wash clothes
  • Wash penis in bathroom sink after sex
  • Trim my fingernails
  • Trim armpit air
  • Squeeze out blackheads on nose
  • Remove residual sock fiber from underneath toe nails
  • Remove ear wax using cotton swabs
  • Remove eye gunk after waking up
  • Dab off extra grease on forehead with napkin

That’s right. Roosh is literally complaining about having to pick boogers out of his nose and wipe his own ass “thoroughly” enough to keep skidmarks off his underoos. He thinks women are oppressing him by forcing him to clip his fingernails and brush his teeth.

A common belief in the manopshere is that women want masculine, alpha men, but what they really want is sexy clowns who are well-groomed. If you have bad breath, bad skin, or odorific armpits, you’re not getting far with women no matter how good your game is. The modern man has to essentially groom like women in order to attract them, because I highly doubt that tribesmen of ancient times cared if their breath smelled or not.

Your life has taken a wrong turn somewhere when you resent women for wanting you to smell better than a caveman.

H/T to @keithcalder for the graphic at the top of the post.

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cloudiah
cloudiah
10 years ago

There’s so much wrong, it’s hard to know where to start. So I’ll start with this detail:

Remove boogers and other debris form my nose

Boogers, okay, but I wonder what “other debris” is up his nose? Plastic bags? The socks women make go missing from the laundry as some kind of “shit test?” Soda cans? Driftwood? Rubber chickens? Tiny snails? The Carter Family: 1927-1934 boxed CD set? Numerous sets of tweezers he lost in his nasal caverns on previous booger-removing expeditions?

bodycrimes
10 years ago

Hey ladies, listen up! Men like RooshV and Matt Forney don’t want to marry us! This is what feminism’s done – driven away the good catches. We should be afraid… very afraid…

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/10/02/single-men-with-jobs-are-becoming-a-scarce-commodity/#comment-143278

Belladonna993
Belladonna993
10 years ago

If his list is a list of basic hygiene and grooming tasks he feels like he has to perform to attract women, I keep wondering what the following item means:

Wash penis in bathroom sink after sex

Is he going out to pick up a second woman before showering? Does he think the same woman won’t want to have more sex unless he washes his penis first?

Or, is it just possible, that he’s doing this, like so many of the other items on the list, for himself? It seems to me that, in addition to becoming increasingly hollow and depressed, his own lifestyle is really starting to squick him.

vaiyt
vaiyt
10 years ago

and even though she did commit such an intimate act with us, she will soon lose interest or simply get bored

Boo to the fucking hoo. Wasn’t he gloating that he got everything he could out of a woman after having sex three times?

So close to self-realization, and yet he keeps reaching for that double standard.

Leah
Leah
10 years ago

The grooming post was just pathetic. No one, not even his own readers, needed to know all that.
It’s interesting how a person who hates women as much Roosh V devotes his entire existence to chasing them. He has written over 10 books as wells as hundres of posts revolving pretty much around the same theme: women and sex. Every critical comment I wrote to his posts were deleted within 24 hours.

What he tries to mask as a normal, manly desire is a full-blown obssession. If only he had been a Little bit smarter he might figure out that no matter how many women he conquers, they’re not gonna fill that hole in his soul. Even if he found that perfect HB 10 who would Cook, clean, wipe his ass and magically stay Young forever, he still wouldn’t be satisfied.

and no, I have no symphathy for him, for all the women he has used and exploited, not to mention the one he raped, I’m glad karma is finally catching up to him.

Master of the Boot
Master of the Boot
10 years ago

Is this for real? Did a loser like this actually have to complain about wiping his ass?

Really?

Puddleglum
10 years ago

So… men having to wipe their own butts is misandry? Next time some sexist dood rants at me, I’m gonna be wondering about his hygiene way more than I would have before reading this list.

Puddleglum
10 years ago

Hey, maybe this is Roosh’s subtle way of asking his fans to send him Wet-Wipes!

contrapangloss
10 years ago

…hold on, moment of fridge horror here.

Why isn’t washing hands on the list anywhere? Like, washing hands after scent checking the nether regions seems really important to me. Or after wiping his backside. Or after removing sock lint from toes. Or after doing things to his armpit hair (which ladies generally feel compelled to shave so why is he whining about trimming, again?). Or before brushing his teeth…

Hygiene. He’s not quite doing it right.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Puddleglum: did you miss the guy that was mocked here a while back because he thought that women not liking skidmarks in a dude’s drawers was misandry? This is a thing.

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

serious relationships are drudgery, one step away from slavery.

Yeah, man, relationships with women are like slavery! The kind of slavery where you can leave at any time, are legally a person, have a right to protection from your partner/”””””””slave owner””””””” under the law, can access medical care, are entitled to property and earnings, are not worked to death, and can maintain a blog where you make ludicrous fucking slavery comparisons. But also you have to take the garbage out sometimes, and that’s not very fun.

Roosh may be surprised to learn that even LT girlfriends would probably expect him to shower occasionally.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
10 years ago

I just…has he seen the unending barrage of products aimed at women, all the adverts finding (or inventing) our tiniest flaws and telling us we must fix them? Wait, I forgot: when women use those products, it’s because we’re vain or dishonestly pretending to be hot – not because there’s billions of dollars to be made and hundreds of years of tradition to be followed in telling women that our purpose in this life is to give men something nice to look at.

Here, have a depressing ad (tw: disordered eating):

(Yes, I am aware of the irony of a cosmetics company making this ad.)

In spite of being in the game as long as I have, I sometimes feel weird urges to turn the mini-relationship into a serious one, especially if I like the girl. I want to contact her more, see her more, and with the girl I mentioned above, I imagined how it would be like to actually live with her—not for having sex on demand but just pair bonding and growing old with someone. These beta commitment fantasies of mine always turn negative as I consider the loss of freedom and privacy with no strong advantage that makes the deal profitable for me.

I really want to hate Roosh, and I fully support the people who do, but sometimes I can’t help but pity him. This is just so sad, and more so because he knows he could stop it, but every time his humanity tries to surface he shoves it back down again.

Then I remember that I have depression and often hate myself, but I’ve managed not to rape anyone or spread all kinds of sexist, xenophobic bullshit all over the internet.

ceebarks
ceebarks
10 years ago

dang, I am aware that there are definite elements of gender performance in my own grooming rituals, but I really thought the point of flossing was to avoid getting experiencing pain and high dental bills.

Huh

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

Then I remember that I have depression and often hate myself, but I’ve managed not to rape anyone or spread all kinds of sexist, xenophobic bullshit all over the internet.

I hear you. There have been times when depression has made it pretty hard to do things like shower and brush my teeth in the same day, but I didn’t act like these were somehow unreasonable expectations. I also didn’t rage for days that people weren’t fucking me like I am owed.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
10 years ago

We really need to teach people about female anatomy.

Eliza
Eliza
10 years ago

What a delusional bag of turds. What kind of loser complains online- for the world to see- about having to wipe his own ass and pick his own boogers. I have no sympathy for Roosh. He made his own bed by being a pathetic, predatory disgusting little douche. I find this whole thing hilarious

Puddleglum
10 years ago

@hellkell, I have to admit, I missed that one. Forgive me!!!

ikanreed
ikanreed
10 years ago

Eliza, I’d make the argument that these guys just don’t see the lack of life fulfillment that their base hedonism will get them when they start down this path. And it’s not entirely their fault, as society constantly tells us men that getting sex from women is what it’s all about.

Patriarchy screwed this guy over really hard. And he blames women and feminism for it.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
10 years ago

EWW! HellKell I just read that! This post and now the skidmarks post ::gags::

Robert
Robert
10 years ago

It’s as if there’s a human being somewhere in there, screaming soundlessly in horror at what a horrible life he’s constructed for himself.

My perspective is admittedly skewed. I spent the first two decades of adulthood certain that I’d never get to be a father, or be legally married. My current status of being a SAHF still seems like a marvelous dream. I realize it’s not for everyone, but to blithely dismiss it as Roosh does annoys me.

bekabot
bekabot
10 years ago

See, this is why so many people think women aren’t interested in physical stuff. Most women don’t stress about physical stuff because most women can get physical stuff, so it’s really not that much of a consideration. That’s why women are interested in things about a dude which don’t come down to how ripped he is. (There you have the origin of ‘hypergamy.’) Roosh (I take him at his word) has trained himself to the point where he can just leave his digs with a few supplies and go through a few motions and collect a scalp for the night, and the outcome of his experiment is that he’s getting tired of the whole endeavor. Because, of course, he’s not supposed to notice anything about the scalps he’s collecting except how many points he can turn them in for among his friends. Jesus, how boring. Why not just collect stamps or butterflies instead? But no, Roosh has his life’s work and it’s his duty to pursue it. The funny part is that he’s probably going to keep making the same round indefinitely without noticing how much his own ennui resembles the disinterest of the women he thinks are being standoffish just to be bitchy, or wondering whether their angst and his angst might have the same source.

Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

Patriarchy screwed this guy over really hard. And he blames women and feminism for it.

Eeeeeeeeh… not that hard, though. Like, he’s got most of what he’s wanted out of life, and he’s done so by abusing women. His victims were a lot more negatively affected by patriarchy than he’s ever been. I also think it’s worth noting that most men aren’t as astonishingly awful as Roosh so it’s not like his despicable views and actions are a typical reaction to growing up and living under patriarchy.

grumpyoldnurse
10 years ago

It’s as if there’s a human being somewhere in there, screaming soundlessly in horror at what a horrible life he’s constructed for himself.

QFT. Seriously, nothing useful to add, just QFT.

Bostonian
Bostonian
10 years ago

HYGENE IS ONE AGAIN THE WORST MISANDRY EVER!

(Women come bathed, shaved, made up and perfumed automatically, right?)