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Reddit hits a new low with a subreddit promoting the "corrective" rape of "sluts" and "harlots."

Collage of images from the PhilosophyOfRape subreddit
Collage of images from the PhilosophyOfRape subreddit

For a social media site with pretensions to respectability, Reddit shows an astounding tolerance for hate. As anyone who has ever explored the site’s dark underbelly knows well, the site hosts a vast array of subreddits devoted to celebrations of such things as “white pride” and violence against women.

The latest addition to this archipelago of awfulness is a 3-day-old subreddit with the pretentious and appalling name PhilosophyOfRape, set up by a user of the same name in order to promote and celebrate “corrective” rape of “sluts” and “harlots.”

In a manifesto announcing the subreddit to the world, the user known as PhilosophyOfRape set forth his basic thesis, which he insists is as “serious as a heart attack.”

Rape served a very important function in mitigating female behavior and keeping it in check. Back in the time of prehistory, a woman couldn’t behave as shamelessly slutty as she can today, because of the risk of catching the eye of the wrong male. But now, with “consent” laws barring nature back, and feminism and sexual-liberation perverting whole generations of hearts and minds, we find ourselves in a situation gone way, way, too far.

These harpies need to be humbled. And for their own good. Like the child with absolutely no boundaries and no discipline, they may feel they yearn for no rules, but become absolutely lost without an adult to tell them no! …

It’s not only morally justifiable to rape such a woman, it’s and brave.

At the risk of stating the obvious, this isn’t true for all female human beings. We’re not talking about nuns or grandmothers or humble, married, women of twenty years.

We’re talking about filthy, unmitigated, sluts. Oblivious and loud. Shameless. Belligerent. Entitled. Selfie taking, Tindr-whoring, Teenage-walking-herpes-sores. We are talking about bad, bad, individuals. Unruly, neglicted, children, run-amok. That badly need to be punished. Badly.

For the good of society these women need to be raped.

Here we will teach how to do it safely.

Emphasis mine, typos his.

By “safely” he means safely for the rapists, of course. In a followup post, he explained that

We are here to provide encouragement and advice how to [rape] and do it safely. Regression analysis to find out which variables make it less likely to get into legal trouble. Very few women report the rapes, what can you do to make it even less likely? Example: remind the victim that “no one will believe them”. When they orgasm (which is actually very common during rape, Google it) speak up and let them know that you are aware of it and that it will come out during trial if they reported it.

As he sees it, his program should have a good deal of appeal to the “Elliot Rodger types” of the world.

[T]here are swarms and swarms of filth parading around downtown and around campus every friday and saturday night, very badly needing to be Corrected. And there are many men out there fit to do it with just a little encouragement. The Elliot Rodger types could so easily be making a difference and gaining a purpose with just a little direction and support. I am not a “neckbeardy” type or a perma-virge or anything like that. I’ve had consentual sex with 9 girls, and have had serious relationships etc. But I do have a great deal of sympathy for these guys.

Indeed, PhilosophyOfRape hopes to transform “these guys” into a holy army of rapists:

I hate my generation, they at scum and filth and are not worthy to breathe my air. The brutish and ignorant apes that pass for men are bad, but it is their double X chromosomed counterparts that truly defile the word “human” by associating it with their detestable essences. It is the harlots that are in the greatest need of corrective discipline and it is for these harlots that the appropriate punishment is most clear: rape. Simple, swift, brutal, rape. Impassioned and indiacriminate. A whole team of holy soldiers, cutting these abominations down to a place where their feeble heads can even see Their selves for the meek and lowly creatures they are, and will greatfully bow, averting their eyes in humility and spending their dazed working quietly, tending the home and reflecting on HOW they had once thought it fit to behave.

Emphasis mine.

In a now-deleted comment on the Men’s Rights subreddit that can still be found in his comment history, PhlilosophyOfRape suggested that Emma Watson was a good example of a

harlot [who] needs to be Corrected. As badly as any of them and perhaps even more so because she made choices that allowed her to retain an image with a semblance of dignity. But it is only a veneer.

And in another comment, he responded to a violent threat from a critic with a threat of his own, writing that “I’d love to rape you to death. And your daughter.”

Even more disturbingly, in a comment on TheRedPill subreddit, PhilosophyOfRape claimed that he has raped seven women so far, and that he successfully convinced a friend to rape yet another:

These harlots need to be Corrected. I so far have Corrected 7. Two last year but over five already in 2014 and a brother I’ve brought into the fold has already Corrected his first one, a vile, putrid, one.

PhilosophyOfRape, or some troll inspired by his writings, has posted some of these things on 8chan as well, where they’ve gotten essentially zero traction.

Is he lying? Is he trolling? Possibly, though it’s worth pointing out that Elliot Rodger’s even more outlandish manifesto would have likely been dismissed as the work of a troll had its release to the world not come on the heels of Rodger’s grotesque killing spree. I can only hope that PhilosophyOfRape’s claim to have raped 7 women is a lie. But beyond that he seems quite sincere.

Even if he is trolling, what he’s written is hate speech, and one wonders why Reddit’s admins, who have certainly been notified about PhilosophyOfRape – the user and the subreddit – haven’t banned him outright.

But looking the other way seems to be the modus operandi of Reddit’s admins.

Reddit has won itself a well-deserved reputation as a place where anything goes – particularly if that “anything” involves the degradation of women. During the debacle known as The Fappening, Reddit’s admins allowed their site become one of the primary internet conduits for the distribution of a virtual cache of illegally obtained celebrity nudes – including some featuring celebs who were underage when their pictures were taken. The admins only took TheFappening subreddit down when it appeared they might face legal consequences. By then the subreddit had already racked up hundreds of millions of pageviews, earning Reddit enough to pay for its server costs for several months (and possibly much more).

The admins’ casual tolerance for TheFappening wasn’t much of a surprise to anyone who has paid attention to the site for any length of time. Reddit for years hosted an assortment of subreddits devoted to sexualized, often stolen pictures of underage girls – even honoring the man responsible for the popular JailBait subreddit with an Reddit Alien statuette as an award; the admins only banned the subreddits after activists and an assortment of media outlets reported that child porn was being openly traded on r/jailbait.

The trouble is, this sort of awfulness appeals enormously to Reddit’s user base; even if they don’t partake in it themselves, Redditors tend to react with outrage whenever the admins – belatedly – take down subreddits that have become a danger to the site’s reputation. Jailbait was an extraordinarily popular subreddit, and many Redditors still mourn the day it was taken down.

And while PhilosophyOfRape has only picked up a tiny handful of subscribers in the first few days of its existence – and a small army of detractors who’ve collectively spammed the subreddit with kitten pics – other subreddits with a similar, er, appeal –from RapingWomen and BeatingWomen2 to HotRapeStories and ChokeABitch – collectively have thousands of subscribers. CuteFemaleCorpses, a subreddit devoted to sexualizing pictures of actual dead women, managed to rack up a little more than 800,000 pageviews last month. The WatchPeopleDie subreddit boasts 44,000 subscribers.

Racism also sells. The cartoonishly racist GreatApes subreddit, devoted to over the top attacks on “n*ggers” that make Stormfront seem a bastion of tolerance by comparison, generated nearly one million pageviews in September; the subreddit boasts several dozen other smaller subreddits in what it calls its “chimpire,” the overwhelming majority of which contain the word “n*gger” (without the asterisk) or references to apes in their names.

We hear again and again, without much proof, that the people posting on these subreddits are just “trolls,” though much of what they write is little more than a blunter version of what is regularly posted elsewhere on Reddit, from the racist snark in r/videos to the misogyny of r/mensrights and r/theredpill.  Regardless, I’m sure that some of them are trolls.

But there is a very real danger to Reddit’s continuing tolerance of users – and whole communities – driven by hatred. At some point someone – either someone posting hateful screeds like PhilosophyOfRape, or someone inspired by these screeds – is going to take this hate to the real world, as Elliot Rodger did only a few months ago. (If he’s telling the truth about the rapes, PhilosophyOfRape already has.) PhilosophyOfRape may be nothing but hot, fetid air — I perhaps naively hope —  but I think it’s a virtual certainty that some day, possibly quite soon, Reddit itself is going to give birth to another Elliot Rodger.

And then the Reddit administrators will have blood on their hands.

EDIT: If you want to report PhilosophyOfRape to the authorities, the FBI’s tip page is here.

EDIT 2: Clarified some things in the final paragraph.

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Jeremy Johnson
Jeremy Johnson
6 years ago

Good points, but one issue with this is that “Reddit” is a very diverse set of people. BUT. I think the moderators should ban this channel just like they’ve done to “The Fappening” and other questionable subreddits. Just my two cents.

lacerta viridis
lacerta viridis
6 years ago

What the actual goddamn fuck. No, I can’t deal with this today. There is too much wrong and disgusting for my brain to handle.

Baby penguin pictures instead:comment image

(can anyone tell me how to embed images/videos in posts, incidentally? Google is being oddly unhelpful, or maybe I’m just tired.)

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

Test

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

Ha, oh well. <img> tags don’t work. Lacerta, just paste the raw url into your comment, and wordpress will embed it for you.

Babby pengies! 😀 😀 😀

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
6 years ago

lacerta viridis
lacerta viridis
6 years ago

That’s what I did, though… it just came out as a url linking to the picture.

Oh well, I can live with that for now. Here are some more baby penguins for good measure: http://i.imgur.com/C78m7qG.jpg

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

How’s about some happy female sexuality plus awesome animation?

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

I think Conde Nast still owns Reddit. A few years ago they had something entirely vile on Reddit that we sent emails to Conde Nast about and they made them take it down.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
6 years ago

And…one of PoR’s supporters is [using] the nyn real-boethius.

Of course he is…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Confederacy_of_Dunces

kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

I don’t know what wordpress is playing at with pics. Sometimes it embeds, sometimes it doesn’t. ::resigned shrug::

KITTIEEEESSSSS

Here’s a bit more brain bleach: Miss McIver aboard the Polly Woodside.

http://i.imgur.com/NMk6T5H.png

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

It’s possible that your browser might be too fancy and automatically embedding urls you’re pasting into the normal <a> tag. Who knows.

And hot dang, LBT, fishy can dance and Gaga has a beautiful tenor.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
6 years ago

And there’s already someone on one of his posts accusing him of being a feminist trying to make MRAs look bad. And the thing is, for someone to reach that conclusion, they must first be aware that the screed above is close enough to the shit “moderate” MRAs say to be mistaken for one of their own. He’s treading precariously close to self-awareness.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Hypothesis tested and proved! Woohoo!

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Teens.
He specifically listed teens. He’s advocating raping minors and Reddit does nothing? Fuck Reddit forever.
>.<

LBT to the rescue! That's a Homestuck character! One of my kids is a Homestucker. Aw. Thanks. I needed that.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

@emilygoddess:

You just know they were sitting there nodding, going all “hell yeah, this guy knows what’s up! Finally someone not afraid to speak some truth.” Then he was bulldozed by popular opinion, so they had to back off.

Honestly, I’m sure you could find more than a coupld instances of MRAs saying the exact same shit in the mammoth archives. To wild applause.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: kirbywarp

And hot dang, LBT, fishy can dance and Gaga has a beautiful tenor.

I know, right? I still can’t listen to Gaga much (her songs are such earworms) but I appreciated the fan craft that went into all this. And the animation is AWESOME, especially when you consider that this is just one woman doing it for free and fun.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Lea

I have never read Homestuck, I just know some folks who are into it, but I can still appreciate the devotion of the fanbase and the sheer amount of work the creator puts into it.

RE: kirbywarp

Hey, you should send me your email! That way, us and emilygoddess can set up a meetup earlier. I have like a dozen people all trying to get some time with me during my time in Boston, so email is way easier than chasing you through the comments.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

I read homestuck for so long, but eventually it was just too much. I couldn’t follow anything that was going on, and the big amazing mindfucks and twists were turning into noise, so I stopped. Really admire the effort and creativity and world-building that went into it, though.

@LBT:

Sure! … Where do I send it? Not particularly feeling like posting it outright, though I doubt anyone would really care.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
6 years ago

“PhilosophyOfRape may be nothing but hot, fetid air”

Or he could be telling the truth about raping 7 women so far and planning to rape more. Not to mention inciting hate and violence.

Here is the FBI Tips and Public Leads link:
https://tips.fbi.gov/

Let’s use it. Chances are the more of us report the perp, the easier it’ll be to bring the attention of LE to his case.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: kirbywarp

Our email is loonybrain at healthymultiplicity.com; you can ping us there.

And yeah, I had the devil’s own time even finding out exactly what Homestuck was ABOUT. I’m unlikely to ever read it; it’s just too gargantuan.

leftwingfox
6 years ago

Hello, humanity, this is my stop, please let me off here.

Oh, I think I finally nailed this swiss chard recipe:

Heat wide pan on medium high.
2 tablespoons of butter, 1 tbsp extra virgin olive oil.
Add 227g of sliced crimini mushrooms and seasoning salt to taste. Cook until they start to give up liquid.
Add One shallot, minced. Brown slightly.
Add Swiss Chard leaves, toss until wilted.
Spritz with balsamic vinegar.
Finish with salt, pepper and parmesan to taste.

greyskye
greyskye
6 years ago

I encourage others to report him to the FBI using the link that Aunt Edna posted. The more reports they get, the more likely someone will look into it.

Brain bleach time… off to play GW2.

Fnoicby
Fnoicby
6 years ago

I don’t really understand what all this “free speech” nonsense is about. That’s a protection from censorship by the government and its agents, not reddit.

Aerinea
Aerinea
6 years ago

Those quotes were incredibly hard to read. The anger and vitriol in them was chilling.

strivingally
6 years ago

Waiting for “SJW false flag!” accusation in 3, 2, 1 …

And there’s already someone on one of his posts accusing him of being a feminist trying to make MRAs look bad.

Predictable, and efficient!

strivingally
6 years ago

Damn, I’d done so well at dodging the Blockquote Mammoth up until now.

Just pretend that first bit is a separate blockquote, and that I’m not an idiot. 😛

Also, all of what emilygoddess said about anybody claiming this is a hoax – they must realise that to non-MRAs this doesn’t sound like much of a leap from what they’re already saying. The redpillers already believe that “real rape” is rare, the wizard-channers are envious of successful rapists, whole slabs of the manosphere already believes women are child-like and incapable of making their own decisions … The scary part is that to us, a group that reads the output of these guys all the time, this reads as utterly believable.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

@LBT:

Sweet! Sent you an e-mail. You now know the true identity behind this priest of Bootsy, guard it well.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

Speaking of which, it’s probably time to switch avatars up. As cute as Bootsy is, her image is a bit dark when it’s shrunk down so small. Back to you, Kirby!

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

LBT
“How’s about some happy female sexuality plus awesome animation?”

That is so amazing! I’m jealous!

Zolnier
Zolnier
6 years ago

Wait a ruddy fuck, did he just suggest raping neglected children? Jesus everything else is of course unforgivably vile but that’s just… there needs to be a new word.

contrapangloss
6 years ago

Hail Bootsy?

contrapangloss
6 years ago

(BOOTSY IS NOT THE SUGGESTED NEW WORD FOR UNFORGIVABLY VILE! MAKING THAT CLEAR!)

Timing posts is hard

J.J
J.J
6 years ago

Nope, I’m going to bed, I’m not reading it.

LBT wins the thread for comic of awesome and also Gagastuckmusicanimation yes. I will dream of that instead. I like Homestuck very much even with all the madness.

May the subreddit drown in downvotes and kittens. A kind fate for such a one.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

Did some people not understand that the recommendations for rape cure was directed at children?

cloudiah
6 years ago

ALL HAIL KIRBY, AND BOOTSY, AND fucking anyone who isn’t this fucking rapey asshat. HAIL!

katz
6 years ago

So I have a question for people who have actually been on Reddit:

I’ve observed that the structure of a site has a lot to do with its atmosphere. Hence, for instance, why Wikipedia is always tidy and TVTropes is always messy (it’s not just because different types of people hang out there), why Yahoo Answers is full of misinformation, and why Craigslist is always getting spammed.

So what is it about the structure of Reddit that encourages this sort of behavior?

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
6 years ago

Even if this is a pure “let’s see how angry I can make people” troll, it’s still advocating violence in a real way. I don’t think the speech act itself is any less evil if it is fake–it’s as likely as a sincere statement with the same content to incite or produce unlawful action, and it’s probably just as triggering for survivors.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
6 years ago

I hope Misogynist Rape Advocates / Denialists take note:

This is one of their own — even though he may not directly identify as such, his sentiments are in step with what we read on their sites daily.

And he shows acute awareness of how the rape culture, which they all so vehemently deny, works:

“Very few women report the rapes, what can you do to make it even less likely? Example: remind the victim that “no one will believe them”. When they orgasm (which is actually very common during rape, Google it) speak up and let them know that you are aware of it and that it will come out during trial if they reported it.”

That’s right — and listen up, MRA, because we know that you know all this very well:
1. very few women report their rapes,
2. typical response to a reported rape is disbelief,
and
3. rapists routinely use an assortment of threats to make sure it remains so.

You’ve heard it directly from a rapist (and quite likely one of your own), so next time you decide to engage in your ridiculous and inhumane denial game, please remember his words. He knows what he’s talking about (and so do you — that’s why you need to deny it so strenuously).

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
6 years ago

@zoon echon logon:

“Even if this is a pure “let’s see how angry I can make people” troll, it’s still advocating violence in a real way.”

He’s also confessing to being a serial rapist. This goes beyond trolling for attention.

If someone posted a similar screed with murder as its subject, instead of rape, confessing to killing several people already and planning to murder more, surely someone would take notice. Right, Reddit administrators…?

katz
6 years ago

If someone posted a similar screed with murder as its subject, instead of rape, confessing to killing several people already and planning to murder more, surely someone would take notice. Right, Reddit administrators…?

I honestly think it would depend who the victims were.

Jurgan
6 years ago

No joking, no hyperbole, this might be the worst thing I’ve ever seen.

Zolnier
Zolnier
6 years ago

@Katz

From what I’ve seen it’s basically because of the upvoting, of course one way of getting lots of likes is being insightful or clever, but an easier way is just shock trolling and playing to baser instincts. Same reason right wing radio is such a thing.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

@katz:

Apparently there’s actual research now that shows how the ability to upvote or downvote comments actually makes the overall comment quality go down (because people who get downvoted don’t back off, they dig in). So maybe that’s one thing.

The other, of course, is that the admins want to pretend that they have the moral high ground by allowing anything on their site, and there’s a general atmosphere of feeling superior for not being repulsed and even embracing shitty world views. Either Redditors are commenting on how brave the admitted pedophile/rapist/racist of the day is for bravely sharing their shitty opinions, or they are pretending to be those types of people by making endless jokes about how black people don’t have dads.

Everything deemed acceptable on Reddit works to invite bigotry. And the admins think this shows how openminded and progressive they are.

katz
6 years ago

Up- and downvoting really do play to the lowest common denominator, don’t they? Thoughtful people who care about others will be less likely to speak up, while people who unapologetically don’t care what others think will downvote everything they don’t like to oblivion.

Aunt Edna
Aunt Edna
6 years ago

@katz:

“I honestly think it would depend who the victims were.”

Sadly, you may be right.

In which case, I will offer an amended version of my hopeful statement:

If someone posted a similar screed with acts of espionage and terrorism against corporations as its subject, instead of rape, confessing to sabotaging several corporate entities already and planning to destroy more, surely someone would take notice.

contrapangloss
6 years ago

Reddit, you’re so awful..

Out of idle curiousity, I googled cutemalecorpses to see if it exists. It does. It has all of two posts, all of which basically just say: Nothing Here. It also only existed as of a few months ago. I learned all of this without actually clicking on it from the safety of the google search results.

There is a despicable site called cutedeadguys, which I’m going to have to scrub the existence of from my mind with really, really strong bleach. Also learned by the same google search, without clicking links.

Reddit, you are terrible. At least you aren’t equal opportunity terrible, so yay you’re just misogynistic and racist, and not as misanthropic as you could be?

Yeah. Reddit. You don’t get a meeting minimum standards as a decent human being cookie, regardless, because you aren’t meeting minimum standards as a decent human created gathering place.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

This thread needs a fox and dog playing together

Zolnier
Zolnier
6 years ago

So far my attempts to find a better word have produced only produced horriblefuckus.

Criticaldragon1177
6 years ago

David Futrelle,

This is sick! Actually that’s an understatement. I hope this leads people to see the “Men’s Rights Movement” for what it really is.