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Today In Inexplicable A Voice for Men Memes

Classic WTF-ery from AVFM's Facebook page
Classic WTF-ery from AVFM’s Facebook page

More brilliant public relations work by the AVFM crew.

The top “meme,” posted on AVFM’s Facebook page, isn’t inexplicable in itself — I assume someone said to the meme-maker that by “criticizing” women he was doing the same thing feminists were doing by criticizing men, and this was meant as an enormous insult? It’s just inexplicable as a way to, you know, reach out to a broader audience beyond misogynist douchebags who think that the idea of ironing a woman in lingerie is inherently hilarious. But I guess that’s not really AVFM’s aim, is it?

Another one from the AVFM Facebook page:

More of AVFM's memetic magic
More of AVFM’s meme magic

Ah yes, I remember the chants at the last feminist demonstration I went to.

What do we want!?

Childsupprtagencies’protecting’childrendivorcecourtspolicearrests cheaperworkforcecontrolofeducationworkerprisonsdisposablesoldiers!

When do we want it?

Now?

Let’s just finish off this edition of inexplicable AVFM memes with this lovely submission from the AVFM forums, which is ostensibly about child abuse.

BabyAint

AVFM, proving critics of the Men’s Rights movement right pretty much every time they post a meme!

 

 

 

 

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Lea
Lea
7 years ago

…you should be…

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
7 years ago

Also: Yay for tired misogynistic jokes that deny women’s subjective experience in favor of men’s:
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What is even the “men’s rights” angle here? Are they going to stop women and AFAB people from menstruating? Are they being oppressed by a bodily function that’s outside most people’s control?

Obviously we all know it’s just a cheap shot at women, but I’m wondering how they’d justify it as “totally not misogynist, just fighting for our rights” or whatever.

And “cheaper workforce”? What about the 77c/$ that women earn for doing the same work? (it’s 81c/$ here in Oz, hooray feminist utopia!)

Maybe that’s what they’re referencing: women entering the workforce en masse and getting paid less has driven down the value of labor and made women more desirable employees than men (I actually hear this as an argument for why the wage gap couldn’t possibly exist: if women were cheaper, wouldn’t companies be hiring mostly women? They’re not, therefore the wage gap don’t real).

“Fuck you, advertising industry” is my main response to the first image. The text is babble, who the hell knows what it’s supposed to mean? But professionals made that image.

Yup. I don’t get why the fashion industry in particular is so into this kind of violent misogyny, but it seems to be a thing and it’s really fucking gross.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

(And we haven’t even touched the number of “selfies” taken by drunken office dudes who think it the height of originality to drop their drawers and moon the photocopier.)

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

What is even the “men’s rights” angle here?

At a guess, the right to segregate women during PMS and menstruation, like they did in the Bronze Age and still do in some parts of the world. Having cramps and craving oranges(???) Off to the menstruation hut with you! Do not trouble real humans with your petty pains!

(I actually hear this as an argument for why the wage gap couldn’t possibly exist: if women were cheaper, wouldn’t companies be hiring mostly women? They’re not, therefore the wage gap don’t real).

Yeah, that’s kind of a stumper when one’s knowledge of economics is entry-level, or informed mainly by libertarian ideology.

cloudiah
7 years ago

So remember how those guys on Fox responded to news about the first female UAE fighter pilot participating in military strikes against ISIL as having “boobs on the ground” and the other dude saying she probably couldn’t park the jet afterwards?

A veteran’s group has responded.

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

cloudiah, that is awesome. Thanks for posting it, it made my day!

Adam
Adam
7 years ago

Scantily clad woman is literally referred to as a thing to be acted upon by a well dressed man.
I mean, it’s not even remotely debatable that this is objectification..
Just wanted to point that out.

Master of the Boot
Master of the Boot
7 years ago

These guys all seem to accuse women and feminists of being greedy and driven only by love of money. But have they actually seen Mr. Paul “Live off of Ramen noodles,” Elam?

Also, does it burn their asses so much if a woman does a selfie? How does it endanger their wellbeing if some woman, drunk or not decides to take a self shot in a pub or something?

Jamie Parsons
Jamie Parsons
7 years ago

Delurking because I can read Russian and Polish. I looked the image up on Google as well – it’s on some walls in the Russian version of Facebook, but I couldn’t find exactly where it was, or I got tired of scrolling through pictures, so I don’t know if it has any commentary attached. I did also find it on a Polish site, which seems to just be like a Tumblr or a blog or something that posts weird news; the image was in the forums. The text on it said in Polish:
“Woman! (It’s not offensive to address someone this way in Polish, you could say the same to a man, but “Man,” obivi.) “Perhaps even right now you are playing the best role in a porno… in someone else’s fantasies.” So… yeah. Mostly it’s weird.

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

Why are these men so against supporting their own children?

I know a woman whose husband deserted her and her children. Why? Because “I didn’t sign up for this!” Yeah, see, he didn’t want children, so when he married the woman, he didn’t do contraception, had three kids with her, and then decided that he still didn’t want children, so he would just leave, and NOT pay child support, because he didn’t want to.

Really manly there, bro.

Dude. If you don’t want children, get a vasectomy. If you don’t want children with THIS woman, use a condom, every single time.

PUAs talk about how they like to go “bareback,” and risk the STDs and pregnancy, and then blame the woman for daring to have their children.

But I thought that real manly men provided for their families? Oh, but that’s only if they wanted it, in the first place. Not if a woman “trapped” them. Because it’s always the woman’s fault if she conceives, because she STOLE that sperm. They didn’t put it into her body willingly. Oh no!

So that’s why child support is evil, I suppose? You don’t like the mother, so the helpless children have to go hungry and homeless.

Oh, but don’t let a woman get a job that can actually pay to support herself and her children. Making a sufficient income to support a family is a MAN’S right. Any woman who doesn’t need a man to pay for “her” children is evil. But then again, any woman who sucks the money from a man to pay for “her” children is evil.

Urgh. Have to go vomit now.

maistrechat
7 years ago

What is it about MRHMRMRHMGTOWMENRNM that lends itself to word salad? You’d think at least one person involved would be able to help these people create an image with a well-defined message.

The comics, while more readable, are practically the definition of mansplaining.

Blrgh kitten time.

Jamie Parsons
Jamie Parsons
7 years ago

Oh, okay, I found what the Russian text is. It says: “Everything breaks down eventually: feelings, people, the iron. The iron, that especially upset me. I wasn’t expecting it.” Also, just… weird.

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

Oh, my gosh.

https://www.facebook.com/102001393188684/photos/a.392418540813633.89052.102001393188684/711213105600840/?type=1&relevant_count=1

Do they seriously think that rape is ACCIDENTAL?!

I should never read this stuff while I’m on antibiotics, I know. But it just sucks me back in.

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

https://www.facebook.com/102001393188684/photos/a.392418540813633.89052.102001393188684/711027115619439/?type=1&relevant_count=1

Riiiiiggghhhht. Women never had to fight to have access to their own children. Except when the law said that women couldn’t have access to their own children, because the children belonged to the father, EVEN if he was abusive, dangerous, and irresponsible. If a woman tried to run away from an abusive, dangerous and irresponsible man, she could leave, but she couldn’t take her children with her, as that would be “kidnapping.” Also, if she earned money, while she was trying to be safe from her abusive husband, that money belonged to him, and whatever she spent was “stealing.”

But a man could take the children and desert his wife, and that wasn’t considered kidnapping. He could force her to work, and take all the money to spend on himself, and leave her to starve, and that wasn’t considered stealing.

Look up the laws in Regency or Victorian England some time, dudes.

roguepixie
roguepixie
7 years ago

What’s with the big red ‘M’ in the background in the first one? Not that any of it makes any sense… Head hurts. Must think kittens, rabbits, yarn. Maybe numbats (silly name, adorable marsupial).

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

https://www.facebook.com/102001393188684/photos/a.392418540813633.89052.102001393188684/710069802381837/?type=1&relevant_count=1

BWAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA! OK, this is a good one, but I don’t think it means what they think it means.

Yeah, fishing isn’t just for manly men. Women are capable, too.

I suppose the guy who did it meant that because some women enjoy fishing (and the cleaning and gutting that goes along with it), that they are bloodthirsty harpies? But if a man fishes, and guts his fish, he’s NOT bloodthirsty? Or… It’s OK for a man to be a bloodthirsty fisherman, but not a woman? Or…

Really, wat?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

Do they seriously think that rape is ACCIDENTAL?!

Not sure to what you’re replying, exactly, but yes. A lot of dudes think that the majority of what is called “rape” these days is just some guy innocently doing his thing and accidentally stumbling over the obscure and indefinite line that separates consensual sex from rape.

I believe that is, if not the source, at least a source of their anxiety over “false rape accusations” and subsequent unlimited wells of support for dudes accused of rape. If rape is something that a guy can just stumble into, by chance, then it’s something that could happen to them also, at any time, and they would have no way to see it coming or prevent it from occurring. Hence: they can sympathize with dudes who have, in their imagination, suffered this unforeseeable and unpreventable tragedy (for the men, it’s a tragedy for the men).

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

@kittehserf – Ooooh! Nice yarn!

What are you going to make with it?

lacerta viridis
lacerta viridis
7 years ago

As a feminist, I regularly eat money and demand more police arrests and ‘disposable soldiers’. It’s really right at the heart of the whole movement. Well, that and stepping on babies.

In much more important news: kitteh, is that Crofter? I love that stuff. Made a pair of socks from it last month and I may have to start on another pair soon.

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

@Holytape

I am looking at those images, and I can not tell, if I am too high or not high enough. What ever the case, the level of mind-altering chemicals in my blood stream is not at the correct level to understand those pictures.

I vote for not high enough, because I’m off my pain meds for 10 days, while I take a course of antibiotics, and they don’t make sense to me, either.

Of course, pain befuddles the mind, too.

Then again, there’s a good chance the dudes who made the memes were high, soooooo…

Yeah, not high enough.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: cassandrakitty

The fashion industry in general, well, all I can say is that in this picture at least the woman doesn’t look dead.

I know, right? We used to clip high fashion pictures to put on our walls in high school, just because they were so eerie and WEIRD and we would spend hours staring at them, trying to figure out why people made the images that way and what it all meant.

We found this much more enjoyable than analyzing Shakespeare.

RE: Ken L.

For MRA who real are that and not just misogynist by another name,

They EXIST?

RE: katz

If anyone is wondering, that’s Valentina Tereshkova. She spent longer in space on her single mission than Americans had in total.

Thanks! I was going to ask, but you beat me to it.

RE: Bina

(And we haven’t even touched the number of “selfies” taken by drunken office dudes who think it the height of originality to drop their drawers and moon the photocopier.)

My least favorite selfies are those goddamn dick pics. At least I have this tumblr to soothe me.

Fibinachi
7 years ago

Yeah, that’s kind of a stumper when one’s knowledge of economics is entry-level, or informed mainly by libertarian ideology.

It just confuses me and makes me mildly sad for the person asking it. Christina Hoff Sommers said it recently in a youtube video someone asked me to see because… Something something.

It’s actually a statement I have a hard time responding to because, well, what are you to say? I could launch into an explanation of how informational assymetries shape markets and how entrenched attitudes overrule strict rationalist revenue maximization yet the very fact that someone rolls out the “so why not just hire women, huh, gotcha!” sort of shows my odds of having that make sense are just near zero.

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

@cloudiah – re: the veterans protesting jerkiness on the news – YAAAAY!

Yeah, I’m not very articulate today, but I totally agree with what they said. Thanks for linking it.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

@Fibinachi

In the United States, Ron and Rand Paul have said things, out loud, on TV, to the effect that civil rights legislation is unnecessary because: markets! It’s not just randoms who believe this, it’s also people with legislative influence.

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

@Policy of Madness

Not sure to what you’re replying, exactly, but yes.

I was referring to the meme that compared women being upset with advice about how not to get raped, with being a good girl, and wearing her seatbelt, so as not to get killed.

This one hits me really hard, because I have been in three auto accidents (rear-end collisions, every one – totally not my fault), and am living a disabled life because of it. Yeah, I wore my seatbelt. Didn’t stop me from getting hit by a truck. It made the damage less than it would have been, but that’s all. It didn’t stop the drivers behind me from ramming into my car.

And guess what? Following all those contradictory “how not to get raped” rules don’t stop rapists from ramming into you, either. All it does is give you some sort of protection from jerks who want to blame it on you. IF you followed ALL the rules (did I mention they are contradictory?) then maybe they’ll allow it to be “legitimate rape,” or “rape rape” or “real rape,” and show you a tiny bit of sympathy. But it won’t stop the rape. Not. At. All.

And people still die while wearing seat belts, if the accident is severe enough. Seat belts mitigate the damage. They don’t stop it.

Accidents and rapes still happen. The thing is, if you rear-end someone and send them to a hospital, no one is going to say, “Well, what was she wearing? Was she out alone after dark?” or “She was totally asking for it!” Even accidental collisions are still considered to be the responsibility of the one who actually did the colliding. They don’t blame the victim for that. Why should they blame the victim for rape? Well, because the rape was totally NOT the fault of the rapist! It’s not like HE was the one behind the wheel. She shouldn’t have been wearing that short skirt. He couldn’t control himself! It was an accident!

And I’d like to know – if men are so incapable of controlling themselves when faced with a pretty woman in a mini-skirt (or t-shirt and jeans, or sweats, or whatever the victim is wearing), WHY are they considered the superior sex, who are sooooo much smarter, and stronger, and more logical, and less emotional, and should clearly be in charge of running the whole world?

And then they blame wars on women. Because we somehow forced the men (who can’t control their violent impulses, remember?) to fight each other, in order to impress us, so we would willingly spread our legs for them, rather than forcing them to take us without our consent, because men have needs.

Or something.

I really don’t understand their “logic.”

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Michelle C Young

Rogan: Yeah, and we were the kid who followed all the rules and did everything right. Still didn’t stop two rapists from getting their hands on us when we were sixteen, and everyone blaming it on us. I wish there WERE as easy a way to make all rapes less dangerous just like a seatbelt. As it is, it’s just a bunch of superstitions.

vaiyt
7 years ago

I was referring to the meme that compared women being upset with advice about how not to get raped, with being a good girl, and wearing her seatbelt, so as not to get killed.

Discard the stupidity hypothesis and go with malice. It’s a deliberately dishonest argument.

Fibinachi
7 years ago

@Policy Of Madness:

Hey, when I attended the national assembly of the danish liberal youth party I got to watch in surprised horror as they took a vote on a resolution that amounted to: ” this organization does not believe it is the purview of the government to dictate behaviour of its citizens. Therefore, what someone desires to do in their own shop or home is outside the control of the givernment, and all legislation that mandates that taking a specific stance on social issues should be stricken. We hope any racists go out of business, but it is not our job to tell them they cannot deny service based on whatever criterion they desire”

Which, sure, as a piece of liberalist metaphysics is fine… As actual purported government policy? HahahahhhahahhhHHhHJHhHHha.
No.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

@Fibinachi

Yeah, that’s more or less Ron Paul’s position. And, by all indication, also Rand Paul’s, although he’s gotten better over time at not describing what he actually believes (because he’s realized that most people think it’s atrocious). This is especially relevant to me because I am from Kentucky, which Rand Paul represents in the Senate. 🙁

Shaun DarthBatman Day
7 years ago

kitteh, what are you making with that?!?
And where can I get some?

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Re: “accidental rape”:

I can just see it. Dude explaining to Feminist Police Officer…

“So there I was, just walking down the sidewalk with my erect dick flappin’ carelessly in the breeze, when I slipped on a banana peel and landed inside this chick who was just lying there with her skirt up and her legs apart! Honest!”

Or how about this one:

“So there I was, rockin’ out with my cock out on my motor scooter, when I swerved to miss a cyclist, and ended up hitting her right in the crotch!”

Yeah, no. Rape is something somebody does to someone else. It doesn’t just happen by accident. You can’t just get accused of it for doing nothing. Real men own their shit and don’t palm that responsibility off on someone else.

And surely I can’t be the only one who thinks that would-be-macho M logo from the Voice for Mangry Muppets looks like a poopy diaper that came to life, grew legs, and is waddling around without a head to guide it?

maistrechat
7 years ago
Reply to  Bina

re: “accidental rape”
reminds me of those MTV “sex doesn’t happen by accident” AIDS awareness posters.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
7 years ago

Torture chambers are legal.
Torturing someone without the torturee’s express consent is illegal.

Depends on where you are. In some states in the US, hitting, cutting, or otherwise torturing someone is illegal even with their consent.

Found the shutterstock photo! New game, everyone! Try to guess which subset of key words were used to find this image.

I got it on the first page of “man ironing”. Also, Shutterstock doesn’t know the difference between “ironing” and “iron” – the same search brought up a bunch of Tony Stark and some weightlifting stuff.

So, the second image has a picture of a woman eating money. Very unhygenic. But that suggests that she will be the one “choking on it.” Yet every single talking-phrase listed is something they feel negatively affects men and positively effects women. So why would the woman be “choking on it?” According to you, MRA meme-maker, those things are everything she wants.

I think “choke on it” is similar to “shove it”, but with more sexualized violence.

Hmm. Shutterstock lists the owner of the image as (among other things) a vector artist, and living in Poland. Unfortunately I don’t see a way to contact this individual to let zir know about this theft of zir work.

Do we know it was stolen?

My favorite part is the random chess piece on the tshirt of one of the white knights. Why? Is chess misandry now too?

It’s a knight piece. Y’know, in case we didn’t know what this guy was supposed to be.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Bina

Rape is something somebody does to someone else. It doesn’t just happen by accident.

Bingo. Assholes just like to muddy the waters, make it seem like it’d be SO EASY to just rape someone by accident, because that gives them cover. What’s horrifying is a lot of folks believe them.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

Oh hey, emilygoddess! What would you think if we were able to meet up… er, sometime next week? It looks like uh, we might actually get a surprise con trip into Boston very soon! It’s still up in the air, depending on my ability to find crash space and gauge my own health.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

…The Men’s Right to avoid responsibility movement…
I mean, you know, use a freaking condom. Use it correctly. Condoms work.

As far as not getting raped? 70 to 85 % or so of people who get raped( depending on which data you consult) are raped by people they know.

You can tell this to the ” don’t wear short skirts! ” crowd until you are blue in the face and it doesn’t sink in with them…the real risk behavior is associating with a rapist.
How the hell are you supposed to know who’s a rapist and who is not?
I mean, some people are obviously creeps. But others mask really well.

…considering I tried to stop Iraq war 2 (clusterfuck boogaloo) from happening, I really resent the whole ” disposable soldier ” thing.
I’m not the one declaring men disposable, it’s the goddamn elites that tend to declare lots of people surplus to requirements.

Still feeling kinda bleh.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
7 years ago

For MRA who real are that and not just misogynist by another name

Might as well make a statement about unicorns or the Loch Ness monster. Or is someone finally going to win the “find a moderate MRA” challenge?

No voice of national or world wide importance is expressing the idea that progressiveness will lead to solving of the male problems you mentioned. Really is simple as it sounds I think just hearing that from more progressive leaders would change a lot of minds on the MRA side of things.

1) Bullshit. Progressive politics are talking about prison reform/abolition, workers’ rights, the minimum wage, and so on, all of which address the points WWTH brought up.

2) I feel no obligation to coddle people who will only fight for justice for themselves, and even then feel compelled to reject movements that might benefit them because the wrong sort of person is involved. If you want to hold their hands and guide them, be my guest, but it’s not the responsibility of any justice movement to focus on how they’re going to help the privileged.

How many photos would Neil Armstrong have taken if he’d had a digital camera with humungous amounts of memory? I’m guessing a lot more than 37, and a fair bit of HD video too.

Right? It’s the freaking moon. Anyone who says they’d only take five photos is either lying or not remotely cool enough for a trip to the moon.

And if you really wanna know something that will make MRAs shit their pants, Neil Armstrong was NOT a macho showman like Buzz Aldrin — he was quiet and humble and thus a total beta, by their lights.

Which just goes to show how stupid their categories are, because “I’ve been to the moon” is one pick-up line that would actually get my attention.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
7 years ago

Yeah, that’s kind of a stumper when one’s knowledge of economics is entry-level, or informed mainly by libertarian ideology.

Well, it’s not just economics, either. Women are not being hired en masse for the same reason they are underpaid in the first place: our work is not valued as highly. And also, it’s hard to take advantage of something you don’t believe you’re doing, and I bet many employers aren’t consciously aware of how they’re undervaluing or underpaying women workers.

LBT: I have PMed you my email address via Tumblr. Hopefully we can find a day when we both have free time!

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

…considering I tried to stop Iraq war 2 (clusterfuck boogaloo) from happening, I really resent the whole ” disposable soldier ” thing.
I’m not the one declaring men disposable, it’s the goddamn elites that tend to declare lots of people surplus to requirements.

Exactly. Another wonderful side effect of CAPITALISM, not feminism. Remember how wars were a thing long before women started seriously agitating for equal rights? Oops, MRAsshat slept through history class. Imagine that!

(And yeah, that’s why I’m a commie-pinko peacenik, as well as an eeeeevil feminist.)

Shaenon
7 years ago

Dammit, I’m wearing a “War Is Not Healthy for Children and Other Living Things” pendant right now. For the kids out there, it’s the motto of a 1960s anti-war group started by women, Another Mother for Peace, which makes MRA dudes co-opting it to bag on women especially ironic (or just nonsensical). Another Mother for Peace is still around, in fact (http://anothermother.org).

I’ve got to go iron myself to calm down.

GrumpyOldMan
7 years ago

I am not one bit impressed by this crap.
http://i.imgur.com/znSqbXb.jpg

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Shaenon

Rogan: What’s this? MRAs co-opting something women put a lot of work into it, adding a sloppy MSpaint job, and then claiming it as their own? Color me shocked!

For guys who claim women never make anything of note, they sure aren’t very original themselves.

Ken L.
7 years ago

@ emilygoddess – MOD

I have to believe there are MRAs who are not terrible people, If there are NRA members who are not ammo-sexuals. Then it’s possible that these fabled MRA exist.

To your first point your right but those are really cross gender issues. No one is speaking for men issues specifically and those who do just parrot the same old stereotypes of manly men. I know it stupid sounds but just hearing leaders mention men by name will change things.

as to your second point that line of thinking is exactly what is wrong with The Progressive Movement as a whole. I include myself in this criticism as well. It really easy to fight the enemy and see them as scum. But when you get to the place where shit get real serious, when your realize you have to live with your enemy and that their human just like you. While then it a bit late to start to care. I in the past have been like that and I am trying to change that and hopeful change others by example. That is why we have to “hold the hand” of the privileged. We will never win this fight if all we does is tell men (in general) how privileged they are. Your right, we may never change MRA minds but for normal men who don’t see there privileged like I don’t know a guy who busts his ass in a coal mine all day who might reasonably not see what his male privilege has done for him ,Those minds and hearts can be changed. People on both side of the divide left/right, Progress/tradition all need to more often step back and take a breath and remember in the end we all are human beings. Of course the right also should maybe hit a joint or two and some therapy.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Ken L.

Look, I get what you’re trying to say, but the problem isn’t that I don’t “remember in the end we all are human beings.”

I am very well of the humanity of the child-molester in my family. Of my rapist. Of my parents, who were willing to send us off with child rapists multiple times, and responded to our inevitable victimization with rage and denial and punishment.

I am aware, because these are the people I had to appease all of my life so I would survive. I knew their feelings, their motivations, and they had to become mine if I wanted to not die. And now I’m in the disability system, where I know that my housing, food, healthcare, and income can be stripped away with a single error.

I have extremely limited energy to burn for people other than myself and my system now. If the privileged who learn can’t hold the hands of the privileged who don’t… well, I’m sorry, but they have more energy for this shit than I do. I’m kinda busy planning for the inevitable paperwork error that axes my way of life.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Ken, if you want to go sing kumbaya with the misogynists, have fun with that. In fact, if you’re a man as your name suggests, you’re considerably better placed to do so than any of the women here, since the misogynists care more about your opinions than they do about ours.

If you’re suggesting that any of the women here should feel obligated to go hold hands with the misogynists, then you might want to take a good look at the way in which your own privilege is influencing that expectation. Also, my answer is “no”.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

I also don’t care for the false equivalency that acts as though my anger at the people who want me dead is somehow equivalent to the anger of people who want me dead. One anger is life-affirming; the other life-negating.

And Ken, unless you can post and show one of these mythical unicorn non-misogynistic MRAs, you’re arguing entirely for something you only THINK exists. I’ll be more than happy to be buddies with your unicorn man, but he has to actually fucking exist first, and I’ve shown no evidence from you that supports that.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

I have to believe there are MRAs who are not terrible people

Well, if believing in fairy tales helps you sleep at night then have fun, I guess.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: cassandrakitty

I used to hope for that too. Then I had two MRAs specifically try to recruit me, only to then confess their movement had literally nothing to offer me, and the one MRA who focused on male rape victims though me getting ridiculed for my history was hilarious comeuppance for my being a feminist.

Yeah, no. Feminists and MRAs aren’t two sides of the same coin. From what I can see, they’re fucking opposed forces, and men who actually ARE interested in liberating men from restrictive gender roles avoid the MRM as much as possible.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

That is why we have to “hold the hand” of the privileged.

All the NO to this. If you expect me to hold the hand of people who hate me just because I’m a woman, you can get bent, sir. You can have a fine time holding the hands of the privileged. See how far that gets you.

And you even saying that shows your privilege.

*wanders off muttering about the nerve of some people*

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Ninja’d mightily by Cassandra. Oh, well, it’ll probably have to be repeated several times for Ken to get it.