Never doubt the ingenuity of the internet’s misogynists in coming up with new reasons to hate a woman they’re already inclined to hate.
Actress and geek icon Emma Watson has been near the top of the new Misogyny hate list all this week, in the wake of the speech she gave at the UN gently praising feminism and suggesting that traditional gender roles aren’t always such a good thing for dudes either. She’s made this point before, declaring in a Tweet last month that
Gender equality not only liberates women but also men from prescribed gender stereotypes. #heforshe
— Emma Watson (@EmmaWatson) August 18, 2014
But wait, the Red Pillers of the internet declare: Watson is herself dating a hunky jock rather than a “bald scrawny impoverished poet.”
WHERE IS YOUR FEMINISM NOW?
According to the UK’s Daily Mirror, Watson is currently dating a fellow Oxford student who also happens to be 1) gigantic 2) a rugby player and 3) handsome. As The Mirror put it
Matt was dubbed Oxford’s most eligible bachelor and was previously named the best looking player in his on-field position by the university rugby team’s Twitter account.
I know, you’re probably not exactly shocked – shocked! – to discover that a famous actress is dating a handsome dude. But in the Red Pill precincts of the internet, the regulars think they’ve got their CHECKMATE FEMINISM.
Right wing “journalist” and blogger Robert Stacey McCain triumphantly cackled
All the hot babes like Emma Watson are crazy for guys who don’t fit “prescribed gender stereotypes,” right? So you will probably be surprised to learn that Emma Watson is dating a
bald scrawny impoverished poetthe biggest jock at an elite university. …In other words, an Alpha male, the epitome of “prescribed gender stereotypes” from which Emma Watson says we need to be liberated.
Smart young fellows figure out that listening to what women say is less important than watching what women do. Women are constantly saying they want sensitive Ashley Wilkes types, even while they’re actually going crazy for the Rhett Butler types. …
When all is said and done, the basic human sex instinct is still as simple as, “Me Tarzan, you Jane.”
On the Red Pill subreddit, the regulars celebrated what they saw as a great victory over feminism. Redpillbanana seconded McCain’s “analysis.”
As a man in our new feminist world, you are liberated from your gender stereotype and have permission to be vulnerable and human. And women have permission to dump you for the next nearby alpha male who decided that he doesn’t need to be liberated from his gender stereotype.
Other Red Pillers made sure that everyone knew that they didn’t think Emma Watson was all that hot anyway.
WOULD NOT BANG.
Meanwhile, proudly racist, woman-hating dating guru Heartiste offered these, er, thoughts on the matter, in his trademark, er, style:
Feminism long ago abandoned any pretense to logic or internal consistency. It’s nothing but feels all day, every day, with an extra helping of feels. Watson’s rationalization hamster, like most rodents residing in the brains of her callow ilk, is 700% thigh and 800% glutes. A swole spinner on the wheel of ego-masturbation.
Ok then.
So how do you respond to this sort of thing? Point out that Watson was previously dating a guy who most Red Pillers would probably consider a big ol beta? Post examples of conventionally hot actresses who’ve dated “nerds” and intellectuals and otherwise not stereotypically macho men – from Marilyn Monroe (playwright Arthur Miller) to Christina Hendricks (nerdy actor Geoffrey Arend, who’s not even as famous as her).
But what’s the point? All you have to do is step outside to see examples of happy couples who don’t fit the “me Tarzan, you Jane” stereotype the Red Pillers are so desperate to assure us is the One True Way.
The human heart and libido are complicated things. Yes, some feminist women date macho dudes. And some traditional women are drawn to nerds. Some women date men who make more money than them; others date guys who are broke. And a lot of women don’t have clear “types” at all. (Watson doesn’t seem to.)
It’s also worth pointing out that, well, you can’t always judge a book by its cover. A gigantic rugby player who is ferocious on the field may be a teddy bear in private. And scrawny nerdy dudes can be horrible people (e.g. Woody Allen).
Feminism doesn’t deny that some women – including some feminists — are drawn to macho men. What feminism says is that traditional gender roles are not the only way to do things.
Emma Watson can date whatever kind of person she wants to date. It’s her own damn business. That’s feminism.
“We hold a dim view of colonialism, imperialism, and blatant racism.”
Oblique racism, on the other hand, is fine.
He sounds brighter than Viktor Krum, anyway.
@contrapangloss Brrr! That is cruel and unusual torture. Sitting there in the freezing cold for hours and hours to watch your team be crushed and never even play is not anyone’s idea of fun. Why do they even need a pep band for anyways? Doesn’t stop them from losing, and if it’s that cold not many spectators are going to come out just to watch their home-team take a whoopin. Gaahhh!
Attractive young woman dates attractive young man. Film at 11.
Isn’t it a little weird and, idk, sort of objectifying that they’re assuming they can deduce this guys’s entire personality from his looks and the fact that he likes sports? Maybe he’s a sweet, shy, unassuming bookworm who cares deeply about feminism and human rights.
Sometimes they’re baroque men! 😉
Is the picture a real meme posted by these dudes? I can’t tell if its real or kidding. “Unsafe Footwear” made me laugh.
@ Irene I liked Krum. He was nice. ;_;
Oh phew, I read the rest of the comments like I should have and see that it is joking. I shoulda known MRAs were not that flavor of unintentionally funny.
The Krum character was top of his class and world class quiddich player but not that bright because English was his second language and he had trouble with it? Srsly?
Once again, the clever lads have shown themselves to be as shallow as it is possible to be. They look at the outside of a person and Whammo! – they know everything there is to know about him. Big, handsome and a rugby player. ‘Nuff said, right?
Bleah! As if it should matter to anyone but Ms. Watson and her S.O.
Women only care about money. They’d never date men that are baroque.
Zoon, go sit in the corner. That was awful. 😛
Because “Renaissance men” cultivate talents, personality, and skills to further a rich interior life and be more interesting people. “Alphas” insist they don’t have to have personalities or interior lives, they’re entitled to sex and will cry and cry on the web if any women tell them no.
Here’s the test: if you think you have to be as interesting to the person you’re talking to as they are to you to warrant their attention, you’re a beta.
Aside: Dude is quadrilingual and only 21. God damn, I’ve wasted my life.
It appears they interpreted her speech as a statement that by getting rid of gender roles, men will be able to get any woman they want without having to be a macho alpha guy (I guess that’s the only way they can imagine gender roles hurting them… affecting their penis’s happiness). With that viewpoint, her dating what they perceive as an alpha dude would be hypocritical.
As always, their motivation is their potential to brag about the sex they get to other dudes.
Oh, Krum wasn’t dumb by any means. And yes, he was rather nice. I just didn’t think he was in Hermione’s league.
I daresay if she was dating a nerdy academic type they’d accuse her of fucking him for help with her homework.
Because they’ll pull any excuse out of their rancid asses as to why she is TEH EVAL.
@WWTH – Entire agreement about “leagues”. People who seriously propound that way of thinking not only remind me of Persuasion and Sir Walter Elliot’s reconciling himself to Anne’s marrying Captain Wentworth because his superiourity of looks balanced her superiourity of rank, but also often make me wish for the sort of ammunition Rhonda unloaded on Tanya in Muriel’s Wedding when Tanya tried to be graciously condescending to her on Hibiscus Island.
Speaking of classy sports players (well, kinda): have a look at these tweets. Roger Federer will be playing in India soon, but won’t be there long enough to do any real sightseeing. He asked his Indian fans to photoshop him into pictures, and these are the results. Warning, don’t be drinking anything while you look at them!
http://www.storypick.com/roger-federer-photoshop-india/
I think I posted this here once before but as to why men think they’re entitled to women, I thought this was a pretty accurate reason: http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html
“Alpha” is supposed to indicate a certain cluster of characteristics that occur together and which women find attractive.
I’m not in a position to make a judgement about whether women find “alphas” attractive because I don’t think that the characteristics that make up “alpha” co-occur in a meaningful way and I don’t think there’s even a concrete list of the supposed alpha characteristics–it changes based on the point the speaker is trying to make. The purported definition is arbitrary, and doesn’t indicate a natural kind.
In this case, they’re looking at a few characteristics (rugby player, good looking) of the dude in question and then concluding that he must be an alpha and have the rest of the associated characteristics (aggressive, risk taker, doesn’t respect personal boundaries, always in a dominant position in romantic relationships, etc.). There’s no conceptual or empirical justification for going from the characteristics exhibited to the rest of the “alpha” characteristics. And, anyway, there’s no clear definition of what “alpha” means such that you could say that being a handsome rugby player at Oxford is a feature of an alpha, or what applying the label “alpha” to the guy actually tells you about him.
After I read the latest Whubble, all I could think is, “Frank is an MGTOWer.” Thought y’all’d appreciate that reading: http://www.whubble.net/?p=153
Well, lkeke35, I went and I read. While it was humorously written, I still find myself asking – Why is it so damned hard for men to recognize women as human? When I look at much of male behavior towards us, it seems that we are seen as so OTHER that communication and understanding, to say nothing of empathy and compassion, seems almost impossible.
I am not speaking of each individual male. I have been happily married for almost 43 years to a wonderful guy who, most of the time, sees us both as human first. Rather, I speak to the overwhelmingly patriarchal/masculist culture – worldwide – that sees male human=normal and female human=utterly other and, therefore, to be truncated, used and denied basic rights of autonomy and self-determination.
AARRGGHH!! I am ranting again. Thanks for the link and I will go to bed now.
Yup. There’s no such thing as alphas, even in the captive wolf society the researcher who came up with idea studied (and he said afterward his notions were wrong anyway).
More importantly, women are not a monolith, so how could there possibly be a set of characteristics that all heterosexual and bisexual women will find attractive in men?
Individual personalities, such an alien concept to MRAs, whether they’re frothing about men or women.
And why is the guy Watson is dating an Alpha Male? do they have any examples of him being abusive towards her? do they have any proof that he’s cheating?
Because that’s what “Alpha Male” really means. From every post or comment about game i’ve read, te extremes Red Pillers are willing to go to in order to maintain a relationship vary a bit, but the essense is the same: dominate, cheat, be emotionnally abusive and never care about her feelings. If you ask genius Fartiste, good looks doesn’t matter all that much:
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/07/09/how-the-sexes-perceive-looks-differently/
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/study-looks-matter-less-to-women-than-they-do-to-men/
Red Pillers have no evidence that it was “Game” that made Watson attracted to Matt and I doubt a girl with as many options as her would tolerate that sort of bullshit. They’re just labeling him “Alpha” because it’s convenient for their argument. Their logic is pretty much this: Watson dating Jock = she’s wants Jerks = Red Pills Wisdom trumps Feminism gain. Also; Bald scrawny Poet = sweet, genuine man.
My guess is that Watson simply finds a guy like Matt attractive and instead of dating a scrawny-poet-Nice-Guy to make a political statement, she chooses to date a guy she’s genuinely attracted to,
True story:
I just spent a few weeks in the Russian countryside, a sort of vacation village, for a philosophy course held by the Moscow State University. We lived in a big house, two people in each room. One night I thought that my room mate A had gone to sleep and locked the door from the inside, and I couldn’t get in since I didn’t have a key. I knew from before that A was a really heavy sleeper, so I started knocking on the door, and when she didn’t respond, I started banging at it. After some time S peaks out from another door, and goes “oh, it’s you! We thought it was a drunk Russian from the wedding party who had stumbled in here and was acting all crazy”.
Turned out that A had gone out for a walk, so she wasn’t in the room at all.
Next day, Y, who shared a room with S, said that he had been so scared by my banging on our door, because he thought it was some drunk Russian stranger stumbling into the house, being all aggressive. Y had been so scared that he didn’t even dare taking a peek himself, so that’s why only S peeked out from their room to see what was happening. I was a bit surprised, considering that Y goes to the gym all of the time and has biceps the sizes of cantaloupes (I seriously don’t exaggerate here). I was like
– But you’re such a buff guy! Don’t you think that if some drunk party guest would have stumbled in here and had been aggressive, you’d be able to just wrestle him down easily?
Y went
– I don’t know… I thought that maybe enough booze gives these people super powers, you know? *laughs nervously*
It ended up being something of a joke that Y was an extremely “gentle soul” while having all this muscle. And yeah, he really was the sweetest guy. And the most easily-scared. And the most muscular of everyone there. And feminism says that’s nothing wrong with that combination! 😀