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That guy who thinks "Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities" is the new Men's Rights hero

Watch out, fellas -- you've been infiltrated by THE ENEMY
Watch out, fellas — you’ve been infiltrated by THE ENEMY

Bill Frezza, the overgrown, overtan frat man who warned the frat boys of America about the gravest threat to their very existence — drunk chicks — may have lost his gig at Forbes, but he’s found a new fanbase amongst the MRAs of Reddit, who’ve hoisted him aloft as the latest martyr to femifascism. In a couple of highly upvoted threads in the Men’s Rights subreddit, the regulars celebrated his heroism and good sense.

Let’s just take a look at some of the wisdom they deposited in the threads.

We might as well start with the most-upvoted comment of all, from the legendary JohnTheOther himself, who is evidently well aware of the threat that drunk chicks pose to his very life:

johntheother 197 points 1 day ago   It's not just that women are being infantalized, and exempted from personal responsibility. If men recognize the threat to their job, their fraternity, or life that this culturally-supported female irresponsibility creates - they are not allowed to speak about it or act in self preservation. Men are supposed to carry on as if there is no danger. A woman might feel slightly uncomfortable if she's treated as a threat, so men should just shut the hell up, and weather the hazard in compliant silence. Thus, the Forbes article had to go offline.      permalink     save     report     give gold     reply  [–]trudatness 70 points 1 day ago   This is really fucked up censorship.      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]johntheother 34 points 1 day ago   At the risk of being piled-on with thought-stopping godwin's law accusations - it's fascism.      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]JayBopara 24 points 20 hours ago   Godwin be damned. They are called the feminazi for a reason.

Camdaniel encouraged his brothers to stick together to defend themselves against this insidious threat:

camdaniel 7 points 15 hours ago   it seems like the only solution is to talk amongst ourselves in hushed tones. so if one of us recognizes that drunk women are a threat - we need to watch out for our brothers. the author is spot-on saying no college man should let a friend go home with a drunk girl, not to protect her, but to protect him.  we may not be able to write articles for forbes, but we certainly need to watch out for each other.

Stay strong, brothers!

Chrispy3690, meanwhile, warned against the greatest unrecognized danger from drunk chicks: their big mouths.

Chrispy3690 43 points 23 hours ago   I think this is my main take-away. Why aren't drunk obnoxious women seen as destructive as men? Is it because they cause less harm? I doubt it. Do they break everything in your living room? Maybe not. Do they make other people miserable? Absolutely.  This is something I've been trying to pin down for a while: Why is the destruction that women cause; emotional, mental, psychic trauma, any less significant? I'd take a beating from any guy over the worst slanderizing and humiliation most women can dish out any day.      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]downztiger 34 points 22 hours ago   Get your ass beat by a drunk dude, that will ruin your night. Get accused of rape by a female and that shit will ruin the rest of your life.      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]Chrispy3690 12 points 21 hours ago   I'm not even just talking about something like a false allegation. You ever had a woman come after your character? It's partly because she's a woman that it's so destructive (this is something I can concede might be helped by changing our views of women) but, regardless, they can be utterly brutal.  Women don't fight or argue to wound. They do it to humiliate. You argue with a woman in a public/social setting... sheesh... I'd rather let her hit me.

In the world of MRAs, evidently, it’s no big deal when men call women “cunts” and threaten them — hey, they’re just words! But when it’s women doing the talking, suddenly words are worse than fists.

Anonlymouse, meanwhile, threw up his hands in despair, because clearly there is no way that frats can possibly protect themselves from the insidious danger of drunk chicks. Because they are so terribly, tyranically sexy.

anonlymouse 23 points 1 day ago   The logical solution is for a frat to kick out every girl who gets drunk... which of course will never happen. It's identifying a problem with no viable solution in the short term.      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]FasKap 13 points 1 day ago   Why not? They can go where someone else is responsible if they want to get over served and be around other people who are as well. Frats should reclaim the Gentlemen club label from strip joints if every sloshed slut continues to be a threat to their members.      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]ihavecandygetinmyvan 22 points 1 day ago   Yeah like that's ever gonna happen. These are thirsty 18-22 year olds you're talking about. They will literally do and say anything to get laid at any cost and girls eat that shit up.  I've literally seen girls act like royalty, with a swarm of dudes around them at their beck and call, all acting suuuper interested in what she has to say, hoping they'll be the one to get with her that night. The desperation is very real, especially in the younger frat and general party scene.

Men literally forced to act as though they are interested in what a woman has to say. Is there any clearer evidence of the tyranny of drunk chick sexiness?

Profhelios, meanwhile, highlighted one hidden danger that no one has the courage to address: drunken giantesses.

profhelios 10 points 3 hours ago   I remember at a party about 8 years ago, we had a rather large (not fat, just... BIG! Like 6'3") female guest trying to push her way past me, screaming drunkenly that she wanted to go down a slide, while we were undergoing a police inspection to make sure we were in compliance (aka no one under 21 had alcohol). She was waving a bottle of beer around as well. This young lady was about 19 or 20 at the time if I recall correctly.  Well, I wouldn't let her pass, tried to get her to go back upstairs to one of the brother's rooms because she was the guest of one of them -- cannot recall anymore, reason with her, et al. We fortunately did not have an incident, but she went back to her sorority and told them all about how I was creepering on her, being mean, getting handsy/aggressive, etc. etc. etc...  Needless to say, for doing my due diligence and duty to protect myself and my organization, I was punished with the reputation for being a creep. I didn't date much in college after that within the Greek System.  If I had let her have her way, I probably would have been homeless for a better part of my senior year while I looked for housing in an extremely crowded and expensive market. I personally believe I made the right decision.

I guess Bill Frezza really is the hero that MRAs deserve.

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contrapangloss
6 years ago

Welcome to the mammotheers, tonks! Let me scrounge up a Welcome Package for you!

I love volunteering. I also love having money for groceries. Volunteering does not get me groceries. Hence, I have a job-job, which I am currently skipping out on to take a GRE this weekend. But, I get to go home! I’m in my parents house, and I cuddled the pups for an hour, and one of them’s still curled up with me, and my kitty still remembers me and purred a little before stalking off to see if mom was going to feed him yet (no!)…

Sorry, tanget. Sleepy and puppies that I haven’t seen since May is a good combo.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

… they still believe that they’re kind and good and if they were to admit that consent is important, that would mean that they hurt someone and did something awful.

@Mnemosyne,

No need to be sorry at all – it’s why the MRM has been coined ‘the abuser’s lobby’. In discussions of rape and lack of consent, MRA’s tend to: minimise and/or deny it’s harm by making light of such abuse and not taking concerns about it seriously; blame-shift towards the victim (if the literal or hypothetical victim is a woman, of course); and refuse to accept that rapists (if they are men) should take any responsibility for their own behaviour.

Men’s righsters also tend to delight in gaslighting by promoting the idea that false rape allegations are a cultural and social epidemic and are putting all men in fear. Which again serves to direct attention away from the very real problem of rape.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

@Tinyorc

Yes. And heaven forbid if the man you dared to avoid was a NiceGuy(™).

ej
ej
6 years ago

I’m going to have to agree with everyone else on this thread. Helping drunk people get home and helping them stay out of possibly compromising situations are good things to do. It’s sad that these guys can’t see that they should be helping drunk party guests so that the guests don’t harm themselves or get into possibly dangerous situations. They are doing or recommending the right things, but for very selfish and sometimes unrealistic reasons.

@contrapangloss
Good luck on the GRE this weekend! I’m so glad I only had to do that once. After I took mine, my brain was so fried that on the way home I tried to use my garage door opener as a turn signal. In my defense, I was almost home at the time and was clearly eager to get there.

kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

10knives – blockquotes are made like this: [blockquote] text text text [/blockquote] but with angle brackets instead of square ones. If you’re using Firefox, they’ve a cool Text Formatting Toolbar add-on that lets you do it all with buttons instead of writing the code. 🙂

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
6 years ago

Err, I probably should’ve mentioned before that I changed my username recently from “saintnick86” to “NickNameNick” – I’ve been working on a new personal blog and decided to switch it up. Sorry ’bout that…

Luzbelitx
6 years ago

…tried to get her to go back upstairs to one of the brother’s rooms because…

Oh, I know why you did it.

And I’m betting the rest of the story is an ad hoc creation to frame you as the hero.

I [don’t] wonder what the story would sound like if he had succeeded at “getting her back upstairs”.

fromafar2013
6 years ago

I love how Chrispy3690 is teetering on the brink of an epiphany there.

“My fragile masculinity can handle manly things, like punching and and being yelled at by other manly men, but when a mere woman yells at me, and I can’t even hit her back to reestablish my manliness, then it’s almost like I’m a woman too!”

Terrible.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
6 years ago

Locally, a fraternity held a party where they placed a color-coded “x” on the women as they entered the house, to grade them. The “hot” girls received roofies with their drinks.

With Frezza and his ilk, this is almost beyond “rape apologist” at this point and all the way into “pro-rape.”

http://www.newsweek.com/fraternity-suspended-alleged-date-rape-plot-272072

Leela
Leela
6 years ago

Chie –

That story is fucking horrible. Really terrible. I hate this world so so so much.

If anyone wants tiny, beautiful birdy brain bleach:
http://www.boredpanda.com/hummingbird-bird-photography/

close ups of hummingbirds!

leftwingfox
6 years ago

Chie: Agreed. I saw that on Raw Story before I saw the Frat Apology article.

Chaos-Engineer
Chaos-Engineer
6 years ago

I’ll go with the Wikipedia definition of Cultural Marxism.

Cultural Marxism is a school or offshoot of Marxism that conceives of culture as central to the legitimation of oppression, in addition to the economic factors that Karl Marx emphasized.

In other words, Cultural Marxists say that social problems aren’t just a matter of the rich using economic power to oppress the poor. They also see non-economic oppression, in the form of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.

As to why they say “Cultural Marxists” instead of “People who aren’t bigots”? Well, I vaguely remember the “Marxists” from my Ancient History classes in school. Apparently they used to be a threat to the United States until some guy named Ronald Reagan defeated them in the 1940’s or maybe the 1980’s, I forget which. I know the final battle was in Berlin. Anyway, there are some really old people who still remember the Marxists. I think the Gamergate people are trying to tie their opponents to Marxists in order to get support from old people. I’ve heard that Fox News does the same thing.

Kevin K
Kevin K
6 years ago

@Chaos-Engineer

Brilliant.

Master of the Boot
Master of the Boot
6 years ago

These shitbags really have no idea how privileged they are, to the point that they’ve developed no empathy for others and have less emotional maturity than a three year old.

The invisible backpack of privilege is strong with them, and yet they only whine louder and harder for that unearned privilege.

vaiyt
6 years ago

Let’s quote here the evils that “cultural Marxism” supposedly led to:

Female boxing, women in combat, women Rabbis and Bishops, God as She, Demi Moore’s G.I. Jane, Rambo-like Sigourney Weaver comforting a terrified and cringing male soldier in Aliens, and all the films and shows that depict women as tough and aggressive and men as sensitive and vulnerable testify to the success of the Frankfurt School and the feminist revolution it helped to midwife.

proxieme
proxieme
6 years ago

*reads*

Has this been heavily moderated or do even the MRA trolls have nothing to say in support of these douchebros?

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

God as “She?” Do they not realize that people worshipped goddesses long before the past century? The Abrahamic religions aren’t the only religions that ever existed.

cloudiah
6 years ago

Has this been heavily moderated or do even the MRA trolls have nothing to say in support of these douchebros?

If only…

vaiyt
6 years ago

You’re asking wingnuts to have memory beyond the 80’s?

(even what they claim to be the 50’s doesn’t resemble the real thing)

seasnakes
6 years ago

@vaiyt

Wait, acknowledging that men have emotions, are capable of feeling fear and sadness and sometimes need comfort and support too is an evil feminist Marxist plot now too?

Damn those feminists, trying to treat men like human beings and stuff.

maistrechat
6 years ago

cloudiah

There’s no way I would have believed that image was anything but parody if you hadn’t said otherwise.

What is it about cultural reactionaries and terrible graphics?

ralmcg
ralmcg
6 years ago

{blockquote}Wait, acknowledging that men have emotions, are capable of feeling fear and sadness and sometimes need comfort and support too is an evil feminist Marxist plot now too?{blockquote}

Also, that means that a man can’t dominate, or worse be dominated by, feeemmmaaallleeesss

ralmcg
ralmcg
6 years ago

Trying to blockquote in my previous post but obviously it didn’t work. Sorry.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: katz

It sounds like someone who’s interested in the culture of communist countries, in which case it might actually be talking about me.

Yeah. Like, my understanding of exactly what Marxism is (as differentiated from socialism and communism) is really foggy. Adding ‘cultural’ to it just sounds… weird. Isn’t Marxism a cultural theory to begin with? Does ‘cultural marxism’ imply there’s a philosophy outside the workers part, so it’s focused on things NOT involving work? I am so confused!

RE: zoon echon logon

Evil European communist Jews have undertaken a conspiracy to subvert Decent American Values and corrupt academia by talking about racism and stuff instead of giving people MBAs like God intended.

…oooookay.

RE: Chaos-Engineer

In other words, Cultural Marxists say that social problems aren’t just a matter of the rich using economic power to oppress the poor. They also see non-economic oppression, in the form of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.

…and this is some incredibly radical proposition or something? This is so weird to me.

RE: WWTH

The Abrahamic religions aren’t the only religions that ever existed.

Even the Abrahamic religions had female aspects to gods. Check out the Shekinah!

katz
6 years ago

The Frankfurt School’s ability to influence things before it even existed is really amazing.

GrumpyOldMan
6 years ago

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master— that’s all.”

In my opinion, “Cultural Marxism” is a Humpty-Dumpty term. One is supposed to recognize that Marxism is a Very Bad Thing, so Cultural Marxism must also be a Very Bad Thing. It is the intellectual equivalent of calling someone “doodyhead”.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

You know, wikipedia at least has an explanation of “Cultural Marxism” that makes sense, or rather, makes sense of how the term is used. But yeah, I’d easily believe that a majority of people who use the term don’t actually care about what it means, they just use it because they think the red scare is still relevant.

GrumpyOldMan
6 years ago

From Wikipedia:
Since the early 1990s, paleoconservatives such as Patrick Buchanan and William S. Lind have argued that “Cultural Marxism” is a dominant strain of thought within the American left, and associate it with a philosophy to destroy Western civilization. Buchanan has asserted that the Frankfurt School commandeered the American mass media, and used this cartel to infect the minds of Americans.

So basically this is a conspiracy theory with undertones of conventional anti-Semitism* that claims that people who are in favor of, say, gay rights, are really commies out to destroy Western Society. This is just a form of bullying, and it’s quite transparent. Anyone who uses such desperate tactics clearly has no real argument and is only trying to befuddle and bedazzle folks with highfalutin’ language. Kirbywarp, like you I had the privilege of attending one of the Great American Educational Institutions (the other one a couple of miles up Mass Ave.) and it disgusts me how many of our fellows use that education to gin up fancy language that obfuscates rather than elucidates, in the service of political influence or just plain old filthy lucre. (If I recall correctly the official term is “scumbags” — right?)

*I didn’t quote that part, but it’s there.

A Ninny Mouse
A Ninny Mouse
6 years ago

Here are some block quote tags:

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Shaenon
6 years ago

Still hilarious. I particularly like that the games journalists are 19th century robber barons.

I like the suffering of the poor gamers at the bottom, cruelly forced to…play video games. Mario grows fat on the blood of the working class!

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

As to why they say “Cultural Marxists” instead of “People who aren’t bigots”? Well, I vaguely remember the “Marxists” from my Ancient History classes in school. Apparently they used to be a threat to the United States until some guy named Ronald Reagan defeated them in the 1940’s or maybe the 1980’s, I forget which. I know the final battle was in Berlin. Anyway, there are some really old people who still remember the Marxists. I think the Gamergate people are trying to tie their opponents to Marxists in order to get support from old people. I’ve heard that Fox News does the same thing.

OMG, it just hit me…Ronald Reagan is Ferris F. Fremont! And “Cultural Marxism” is ARAMCHEK! Now it all makes sense… >smacks forehead, descends into PhilDickian coma<

Ahem. Where was I again? Oh yeah:

Female boxing, women in combat, women Rabbis and Bishops, God as She, Demi Moore’s G.I. Jane, Rambo-like Sigourney Weaver comforting a terrified and cringing male soldier in Aliens, and all the films and shows that depict women as tough and aggressive and men as sensitive and vulnerable testify to the success of the Frankfurt School and the feminist revolution it helped to midwife.

Um…they say that like these are BAD things. WTactualF?

katz
6 years ago

Female boxing

I assure these guys, it’s not the Frankfurt School that makes women want to punch things.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Sensitive, vulnerable men?

SAY IT AIN’T SO! I want my men as sensitive, vulnerable, and human as bricks!

kittehserf
6 years ago

LBT – yes, but will you provide your men with mortar? Otherwise, MISANDRY!

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

yes, but will you provide your men with mortar?

Unfortunately, I am not legally permitted to supply my LDR guy or myself with mortars.
Our mutual governments would have a Problem With This.

…I haz a sad :(…

GrumpyOldMan
6 years ago

In fact they would go blahlistic …

It's A Furret (@RicksWriting)

Female boxing, women in combat, women Rabbis and Bishops, God as She, Demi Moore’s G.I. Jane, Rambo-like Sigourney Weaver comforting a terrified and cringing male soldier in Aliens, and all the films and shows that depict women as tough and aggressive and men as sensitive and vulnerable testify to the success of the Frankfurt School and the feminist revolution it helped to midwife.

Um…they say that like these are BAD things. WTactualF?

What’s interesting to me on this line of thinking is that it purposefully ignores the fact that there ARE women who fit the nonstandard body type, they just usually stay out of mainstream attention because of the comments they draw concerning how weird and uncomfortable it makes people, go away so we can resume pretending they don’t really exist in any meaningful fashion.

It ends up being a REAL short jump from “Don’t be silly, women CAN’T be like this” to “Stop being like this or else you’re not a proper woman”. It’s almost as if it’s a vicious cycle or something.

Warper
Warper
6 years ago

I honestly don’t know what to say about this. Because shouldn’t fraternities you know being a gathering of friends and all.

Have the right to say who they admit and who they don’t? If there are fraternities who don’t wan women in them, what is wrong?

In the same way if there were fraternities that want no men, so? Is their right.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
6 years ago

Why are necros never worth reading?

mildlymagnificent
6 years ago

It’s a rule!

hippodameia8527
hippodameia8527
6 years ago

Because necro trolls never have anything to say?

grumpyoldnurse
grumpyoldnurse
6 years ago

I thought fraternities with no men were sororities?

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Um. The word fraternity comes from the Latin for brother. How is there going to be a fraternity with no men? Just when I thought I saw the stupidest necro troll, a new candidate appears.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I just realized how silly it is that it’s the Greek system and they use Greek letters, but as a group, they’re described with a Latin rooted word.

I hope that sentence makes some sense. I’ve been imbibing. Hey! Imbibing is a Latin rooted word too!

Apparently I’m amused by really silly things.

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
6 years ago

Gandalf discovered that Dol Guldur was the abode of the Necromancer, who was in truth Sauron the Dark Lord, planning his return to Mordor and his assault on the lands of Gondor.

And then there’s this guy, who is just boring.

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
6 years ago

@WWTH

It goes my heart good to know that much in WHTM these days keeps returning to Latin.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 years ago

I envy you, WWTH. I read that sober and it made even less sense.

Even giving it the most charitable interpretation – that the necro troll was talking about fraternities having the right to admit male or female guests as they please – the logical conclusion to that is “if you’re so worried about your life being ruined by a false accusation of rape, perhaps it’s best if you didn’t have parties at all.”

I mean, really, they can’t tell at the door which female partyguestnazis are going to whimsically decide to have them jailed because PMS, so better safe than sorry.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

There are fraternities that admit women? Or, like…oh, never mind. Stupid troll is stupid.

ParadoxicalIntention
6 years ago

Warper

I honestly don’t know what to say about this, because shouldn’t fraternities (you know being a gathering of friends and all) have the right to say who they will admit and who they won’t?

If there are fraternities who don’t want women in them, what is wrong?

On the other hand, if there were fraternities that want no men, so what? It is their right.

Okay, I fixed it up a little. Now for a response:

Fraternities are strictly male, sororities are strictly female. The two don’t mix who they let in, partially because of tradition, and partly due to safety reasons, I imagine.

It’s more comfortable for a lot of people if they’re only housed with one gender of people, since Frats and Sororities are essentially houses where groups of people live and study. (Not to mention it’s a bit of a social status for some people.)

I think you’re confusing “who they let in the fraternity/sorority” with “who gets invited over for a party”, and what a Fraternity (“brotherhood”) and sorority (“sisterhood”) actually is.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Are fraternities and sororities a uniquely USA thing, because we don’t have them in NZ. Do they exist in other countries?