Bill Frezza, the overgrown, overtan frat man who warned the frat boys of America about the gravest threat to their very existence — drunk chicks — may have lost his gig at Forbes, but he’s found a new fanbase amongst the MRAs of Reddit, who’ve hoisted him aloft as the latest martyr to femifascism. In a couple of highly upvoted threads in the Men’s Rights subreddit, the regulars celebrated his heroism and good sense.
Let’s just take a look at some of the wisdom they deposited in the threads.
We might as well start with the most-upvoted comment of all, from the legendary JohnTheOther himself, who is evidently well aware of the threat that drunk chicks pose to his very life:
Camdaniel encouraged his brothers to stick together to defend themselves against this insidious threat:
Stay strong, brothers!
Chrispy3690, meanwhile, warned against the greatest unrecognized danger from drunk chicks: their big mouths.
In the world of MRAs, evidently, it’s no big deal when men call women “cunts” and threaten them — hey, they’re just words! But when it’s women doing the talking, suddenly words are worse than fists.
Anonlymouse, meanwhile, threw up his hands in despair, because clearly there is no way that frats can possibly protect themselves from the insidious danger of drunk chicks. Because they are so terribly, tyranically sexy.
Men literally forced to act as though they are interested in what a woman has to say. Is there any clearer evidence of the tyranny of drunk chick sexiness?
Profhelios, meanwhile, highlighted one hidden danger that no one has the courage to address: drunken giantesses.
I guess Bill Frezza really is the hero that MRAs deserve.
The most hilarious bit to me: whatever image they stole it from, from what I can tell, would have been roundly applauded by Marx. So they are taking imagery with a Marxist bent and using it against cultural Marxists (whatever the hell they are).
I found a color version of the original:
http://www.austincc.edu/caddis/ImagesText%20copy/Progressive%20Era%20I/Pyramid_of_Capitalist_System.png
A 6’3″ woman loose in a frat… EIGHT YEARS ago!?
Think how much larger drunken women must have become since then!!
I’m surprised they think this is really a danger since I read a lot of comments from MRA’s claiming that having sex with drunken women is just fine regardless whether she is passed out and unable to say yes or no or totally oblivious to what’s going on around her. I’m sure this is simply because they can’t manage to have sex with any sober woman because of their social ineptness.
Yamara:
Your gravatar is appropriate for this comment.
And since I haven’t seen you around before, Welcome
The majority of college students are not traditional students.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/09/old-school-colleges-most-important-trend-is-the-rise-of-the-adult-student/245823/
Working older students have not got time for this crap.
…Going to college for 4 years and not working is probably somewhat indicative of privilege, isn’t it? I mean not strictly, there’s grants and scholarships and loans and whatnot.
For that matter, taking an unpaid internship is a privilege, more so than college. If you do that someone else is supporting you, pretty much, while you work for free.
It’s kind of a gate that people with poor parents have a great deal of trouble getting in, and it can lead to earning a lot later. But if you can’t work for free for a year, you’ll never get that foot in the door, will you?
Just observing…
CMD: Every time JohnTheOther comes up, I’m going to point out this fact:
JohnTheOther wants to arm Iran with nuclear weapons.
This would be the Iran that borders satellites of Russia (a nuclear power) and Pakistan (a nuclear power), is regularly threatened with military force by Israel (a nuclear power), is in the general area of India (a nuclear power)and China (a nuclear power), and is regularly threatened with military force by an aggressive superpower which invaded a neighbour to its east, a neighbour to its west, has used nuclear weapons in warfare before, refuses to announce a “no first use” doctrine, maintains a trade embargo on Iran and punishes extra-territorial companies that do business there, flies drones into Iranian airspace, and has its lawmakers occasionally making statements about invading Iran?
Tigerbos: Oh they always worry about drunk women accusing you of rape, but never worry that they might actually be raping someone too drunk to consent.
Unpaid internships are a privilege and a scam because they don’t offer a statistically significant advantage for getting a job. PAID internships, on the other hand, do usually lead to jobs.
This is a nice rundown of why unpaid internships are BS and should be outlawed: https://medium.com/matt-bors/unpaid-internships-must-be-destroyed-6050f2c25497
But you’re right about this being the impression, the sense that you have to give yourself over to work for free to get your foot in the door. That thinking is encouraged by our culture for two reasons: 1, it makes it seem like work itself is a privilege, not something you are paid to do. You see the same mentality in critics of the $15/hour wage. It’s not that labor deserves to be compensated, that bosses owe their workers, it’s that labor is a gift and workers should thank bosses for their largess, for allowing the workers to be useful instead of burdens upon the state.
2, it maintains the hierarchy, the privilege system that we have. When people go into college then the broader workforce with the idea that they have to do unpaid internships, that they have to have the nest egg or support structure to depend on before they start their actual careers, you have a lot of talented, capable people opt-out and assume that they’ve lost before they’ve even started when they’re demonstrably no better or worse off in the career field than those who do unpaid work.
The only time unpaid work is a good career choice is when it’s explicitly volunteer work. I did a lot of volunteer radio work–DJ for non commercial stations and producer for an Indymedia newshour–because I believe in the value of community media. That work on my resume, something I pursued as a hobby and quit once I no longer had the time, got me two different teaching jobs. Doing volunteer work says you’re capable, motivated, and independent. An unpaid internship says you’ll swallow whatever they sell you.
I’m terribly excited because this slight tangent into the problematic nature of unpaid work gives me an excuse to delurk: I has relevant link!
In The Name of Love is one of the best things of I’ve read on this, and talks about how this idea that you should ‘do what you love’ devalues your own work and completely ignores those who don’t have the privilege of enjoying creative, fulfilling work. It’s awesome, and I highly recommend it.
I’ve been hanging about here about six months, and I’m so happy to know this community exists. Thanks David for the hard work and commentariat for being amazing. I’ll uh… probably go back to lurking until my next shining moment of pseudo-relevancy.
[tw: rape] I remember a while back, I read that terrible reddit threat about the rapists’ stories. The statement that haunted me the most was one where the guy said of his victim: “She was a good friend.” This man, aside from no longer having the right to call his victim “friend” anymore, probably thinks he did nothing wrong.
I never really understood why MRAs and people like Rush Limbaugh this get so upset when someone brings up issues of consent is brought up. I think that guys like the rapist described above don’t like this kind of talk because they still believe that they’re kind and good and if they were to admit that consent is important, that would mean that they hurt someone and did something awful.
Not wanting to deal with the guilt and that their self-perception no longer matches with their actions, they try to justify the crime. On a lesser scale, if MRAs were honest about consent, then they’d have to admit their ideas about sex are fucked up. That might be why they get upset about this. This is just a theory and I’m sorry if I offended anyone by it.
Why is it that many of those comments equate being accused of rape with actually being convicted of rape. Most of the time in these campus assault cases, the guy is accused, but nothing ends up happening. The courts don’t have some kind of anti-male bias and take a woman’s word as gospel like MRAs think they do.
I have no brief for Critical Theory, but that satirical pyramid is aggressively stupid. The idea that treating half the human race as human beings is or should be considered an ideological position is nothing short of obnoxious.
Whatever they claim it to mean, obviously.
(Insert Inigo Montoya here.)
Also, that idiotic “pyramid” thingie has “shield” misspelled. Ha, ha.
They have internalized the idea that men can’t control their own sexual behavior, nor does anyone expect them to.
Like the douchebro with his stupid falling-tree analogy over in the other thread.
A man just can’t help but fall upon anyone who presents themselves as an easy victim? Really? He has no volition?
The MRA’s claim to be pro-men, but that is one of the most anti-male stereotypes out there…and they fucking believe it.
They fucking PROMOTE it.
I prefer Groucho Marxism myself
http://images.uncyc.org/pt/f/f9/Marx-groucho.jpg
Somewhat off-topic to David, mods, et al. – especially given David’s posts on the whole #GamerGate thing:
I came across this absolute steaming pile of horseshit on Facebook…
http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/25/gamergate-an-issue-with-2-sides/
It sounds like someone who’s interested in the culture of communist countries, in which case it might actually be talking about me.
To go along with that, here’s the paper about a recent study that concludes that those generally labelled as “SJWs” are generally far more sincere (contrary to the accusation they are “faking” it for one reason or another) but – more importantly – that parts of the brain that deal in logic and reasoning are incredibly active when dealing with social issues. So, in a way, our emotional response to immoral actions informs our intellectual approach to it as well. Who’da thunk it…
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/34/12/4161.full.pdf+html
The non-Marxists are winning the battle of the economic sphere, but culturally and socially some people still hang on to the utopia of equal rights. Or something?
The first time I heard of it was in the manifesto of the Norwegian mass murderer (the guy who killed 70 youths on an island), who used it as a catch-all term to label his enemies. After a brief attempt at ironic reclaiming of the term, I’ve heard it coming up in all kinds of evil corners of the internet.
Wiki says a bloke named William Lind has been spreading it, too, but that’s someone I thankfully haven’t heard much about. From his wiki page I suppose he wouldn’t be a big fan of gamers, though.
Evil European communist Jews have undertaken a conspiracy to subvert Decent American Values and corrupt academia by talking about racism and stuff instead of giving people MBAs like God intended.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School_conspiracy_theory
“what began as a bizarre Lyndon Larouche coinage has become the common currency of a larger and larger public of addled enragés [and] has entered at least the fringes of the mainstream.”
TL;DR – when someone says “cultural marxism”, they mean “I am an idiot and none of my opinions should be taken seriously.”
Better quote:
Seriously though, does anyone else remember when crossing the street to avoid a strange man was the height of misandering?
Lenin was NOT an academic, he was a revolutionary. [/nitpick]
Marx and Engels were academics, though – assuming those are supposed to be on there, the pic quality is kinda bad.
“[cultural conservatives] make it seem like it’s quite foreign to anything American. It takes on a mysterious cast and translates as an incomprehensible, anti-American, foreign movement that is only interested in undermining the U.S.” Lichtman says that the “idea being transmitted is that we are being infected from the outside.””
Wish I knew how to block quote…
Anyway, I find that this is often a recurring theme in reactionary/authoritarian rethoric – paranoia, xenophobia, “infection”.