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That guy who thinks "Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities" is the new Men's Rights hero

Watch out, fellas -- you've been infiltrated by THE ENEMY
Watch out, fellas — you’ve been infiltrated by THE ENEMY

Bill Frezza, the overgrown, overtan frat man who warned the frat boys of America about the gravest threat to their very existence — drunk chicks — may have lost his gig at Forbes, but he’s found a new fanbase amongst the MRAs of Reddit, who’ve hoisted him aloft as the latest martyr to femifascism. In a couple of highly upvoted threads in the Men’s Rights subreddit, the regulars celebrated his heroism and good sense.

Let’s just take a look at some of the wisdom they deposited in the threads.

We might as well start with the most-upvoted comment of all, from the legendary JohnTheOther himself, who is evidently well aware of the threat that drunk chicks pose to his very life:

johntheother 197 points 1 day ago   It's not just that women are being infantalized, and exempted from personal responsibility. If men recognize the threat to their job, their fraternity, or life that this culturally-supported female irresponsibility creates - they are not allowed to speak about it or act in self preservation. Men are supposed to carry on as if there is no danger. A woman might feel slightly uncomfortable if she's treated as a threat, so men should just shut the hell up, and weather the hazard in compliant silence. Thus, the Forbes article had to go offline.      permalink     save     report     give gold     reply  [–]trudatness 70 points 1 day ago   This is really fucked up censorship.      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]johntheother 34 points 1 day ago   At the risk of being piled-on with thought-stopping godwin's law accusations - it's fascism.      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]JayBopara 24 points 20 hours ago   Godwin be damned. They are called the feminazi for a reason.

Camdaniel encouraged his brothers to stick together to defend themselves against this insidious threat:

camdaniel 7 points 15 hours ago   it seems like the only solution is to talk amongst ourselves in hushed tones. so if one of us recognizes that drunk women are a threat - we need to watch out for our brothers. the author is spot-on saying no college man should let a friend go home with a drunk girl, not to protect her, but to protect him.  we may not be able to write articles for forbes, but we certainly need to watch out for each other.

Stay strong, brothers!

Chrispy3690, meanwhile, warned against the greatest unrecognized danger from drunk chicks: their big mouths.

Chrispy3690 43 points 23 hours ago   I think this is my main take-away. Why aren't drunk obnoxious women seen as destructive as men? Is it because they cause less harm? I doubt it. Do they break everything in your living room? Maybe not. Do they make other people miserable? Absolutely.  This is something I've been trying to pin down for a while: Why is the destruction that women cause; emotional, mental, psychic trauma, any less significant? I'd take a beating from any guy over the worst slanderizing and humiliation most women can dish out any day.      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]downztiger 34 points 22 hours ago   Get your ass beat by a drunk dude, that will ruin your night. Get accused of rape by a female and that shit will ruin the rest of your life.      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]Chrispy3690 12 points 21 hours ago   I'm not even just talking about something like a false allegation. You ever had a woman come after your character? It's partly because she's a woman that it's so destructive (this is something I can concede might be helped by changing our views of women) but, regardless, they can be utterly brutal.  Women don't fight or argue to wound. They do it to humiliate. You argue with a woman in a public/social setting... sheesh... I'd rather let her hit me.

In the world of MRAs, evidently, it’s no big deal when men call women “cunts” and threaten them — hey, they’re just words! But when it’s women doing the talking, suddenly words are worse than fists.

Anonlymouse, meanwhile, threw up his hands in despair, because clearly there is no way that frats can possibly protect themselves from the insidious danger of drunk chicks. Because they are so terribly, tyranically sexy.

anonlymouse 23 points 1 day ago   The logical solution is for a frat to kick out every girl who gets drunk... which of course will never happen. It's identifying a problem with no viable solution in the short term.      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]FasKap 13 points 1 day ago   Why not? They can go where someone else is responsible if they want to get over served and be around other people who are as well. Frats should reclaim the Gentlemen club label from strip joints if every sloshed slut continues to be a threat to their members.      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]ihavecandygetinmyvan 22 points 1 day ago   Yeah like that's ever gonna happen. These are thirsty 18-22 year olds you're talking about. They will literally do and say anything to get laid at any cost and girls eat that shit up.  I've literally seen girls act like royalty, with a swarm of dudes around them at their beck and call, all acting suuuper interested in what she has to say, hoping they'll be the one to get with her that night. The desperation is very real, especially in the younger frat and general party scene.

Men literally forced to act as though they are interested in what a woman has to say. Is there any clearer evidence of the tyranny of drunk chick sexiness?

Profhelios, meanwhile, highlighted one hidden danger that no one has the courage to address: drunken giantesses.

profhelios 10 points 3 hours ago   I remember at a party about 8 years ago, we had a rather large (not fat, just... BIG! Like 6'3") female guest trying to push her way past me, screaming drunkenly that she wanted to go down a slide, while we were undergoing a police inspection to make sure we were in compliance (aka no one under 21 had alcohol). She was waving a bottle of beer around as well. This young lady was about 19 or 20 at the time if I recall correctly.  Well, I wouldn't let her pass, tried to get her to go back upstairs to one of the brother's rooms because she was the guest of one of them -- cannot recall anymore, reason with her, et al. We fortunately did not have an incident, but she went back to her sorority and told them all about how I was creepering on her, being mean, getting handsy/aggressive, etc. etc. etc...  Needless to say, for doing my due diligence and duty to protect myself and my organization, I was punished with the reputation for being a creep. I didn't date much in college after that within the Greek System.  If I had let her have her way, I probably would have been homeless for a better part of my senior year while I looked for housing in an extremely crowded and expensive market. I personally believe I made the right decision.

I guess Bill Frezza really is the hero that MRAs deserve.

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wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

The most hilarious bit to me: whatever image they stole it from, from what I can tell, would have been roundly applauded by Marx. So they are taking imagery with a Marxist bent and using it against cultural Marxists (whatever the hell they are).

YamaraTheGod
10 years ago

A 6’3″ woman loose in a frat… EIGHT YEARS ago!?

Think how much larger drunken women must have become since then!!

Tigerbos
Tigerbos
10 years ago

I’m surprised they think this is really a danger since I read a lot of comments from MRA’s claiming that having sex with drunken women is just fine regardless whether she is passed out and unable to say yes or no or totally oblivious to what’s going on around her. I’m sure this is simply because they can’t manage to have sex with any sober woman because of their social ineptness.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
10 years ago

Yamara:

Your gravatar is appropriate for this comment.

And since I haven’t seen you around before, Welcome

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

The majority of college students are not traditional students.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/09/old-school-colleges-most-important-trend-is-the-rise-of-the-adult-student/245823/

Working older students have not got time for this crap.

…Going to college for 4 years and not working is probably somewhat indicative of privilege, isn’t it? I mean not strictly, there’s grants and scholarships and loans and whatnot.
For that matter, taking an unpaid internship is a privilege, more so than college. If you do that someone else is supporting you, pretty much, while you work for free.

It’s kind of a gate that people with poor parents have a great deal of trouble getting in, and it can lead to earning a lot later. But if you can’t work for free for a year, you’ll never get that foot in the door, will you?

Just observing…

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
10 years ago

CMD: Every time JohnTheOther comes up, I’m going to point out this fact:

JohnTheOther wants to arm Iran with nuclear weapons.

This would be the Iran that borders satellites of Russia (a nuclear power) and Pakistan (a nuclear power), is regularly threatened with military force by Israel (a nuclear power), is in the general area of India (a nuclear power)and China (a nuclear power), and is regularly threatened with military force by an aggressive superpower which invaded a neighbour to its east, a neighbour to its west, has used nuclear weapons in warfare before, refuses to announce a “no first use” doctrine, maintains a trade embargo on Iran and punishes extra-territorial companies that do business there, flies drones into Iranian airspace, and has its lawmakers occasionally making statements about invading Iran?

leftwingfox
10 years ago

Tigerbos: Oh they always worry about drunk women accusing you of rape, but never worry that they might actually be raping someone too drunk to consent.

storydon
10 years ago

Unpaid internships are a privilege and a scam because they don’t offer a statistically significant advantage for getting a job. PAID internships, on the other hand, do usually lead to jobs.

This is a nice rundown of why unpaid internships are BS and should be outlawed: https://medium.com/matt-bors/unpaid-internships-must-be-destroyed-6050f2c25497

But you’re right about this being the impression, the sense that you have to give yourself over to work for free to get your foot in the door. That thinking is encouraged by our culture for two reasons: 1, it makes it seem like work itself is a privilege, not something you are paid to do. You see the same mentality in critics of the $15/hour wage. It’s not that labor deserves to be compensated, that bosses owe their workers, it’s that labor is a gift and workers should thank bosses for their largess, for allowing the workers to be useful instead of burdens upon the state.
2, it maintains the hierarchy, the privilege system that we have. When people go into college then the broader workforce with the idea that they have to do unpaid internships, that they have to have the nest egg or support structure to depend on before they start their actual careers, you have a lot of talented, capable people opt-out and assume that they’ve lost before they’ve even started when they’re demonstrably no better or worse off in the career field than those who do unpaid work.

The only time unpaid work is a good career choice is when it’s explicitly volunteer work. I did a lot of volunteer radio work–DJ for non commercial stations and producer for an Indymedia newshour–because I believe in the value of community media. That work on my resume, something I pursued as a hobby and quit once I no longer had the time, got me two different teaching jobs. Doing volunteer work says you’re capable, motivated, and independent. An unpaid internship says you’ll swallow whatever they sell you.

tonks
tonks
10 years ago

I’m terribly excited because this slight tangent into the problematic nature of unpaid work gives me an excuse to delurk: I has relevant link!

In The Name of Love is one of the best things of I’ve read on this, and talks about how this idea that you should ‘do what you love’ devalues your own work and completely ignores those who don’t have the privilege of enjoying creative, fulfilling work. It’s awesome, and I highly recommend it.

I’ve been hanging about here about six months, and I’m so happy to know this community exists. Thanks David for the hard work and commentariat for being amazing. I’ll uh… probably go back to lurking until my next shining moment of pseudo-relevancy.

Mnemosyne
Mnemosyne
10 years ago

[tw: rape] I remember a while back, I read that terrible reddit threat about the rapists’ stories. The statement that haunted me the most was one where the guy said of his victim: “She was a good friend.” This man, aside from no longer having the right to call his victim “friend” anymore, probably thinks he did nothing wrong.

I never really understood why MRAs and people like Rush Limbaugh this get so upset when someone brings up issues of consent is brought up. I think that guys like the rapist described above don’t like this kind of talk because they still believe that they’re kind and good and if they were to admit that consent is important, that would mean that they hurt someone and did something awful.

Not wanting to deal with the guilt and that their self-perception no longer matches with their actions, they try to justify the crime. On a lesser scale, if MRAs were honest about consent, then they’d have to admit their ideas about sex are fucked up. That might be why they get upset about this. This is just a theory and I’m sorry if I offended anyone by it.

Why is it that many of those comments equate being accused of rape with actually being convicted of rape. Most of the time in these campus assault cases, the guy is accused, but nothing ends up happening. The courts don’t have some kind of anti-male bias and take a woman’s word as gospel like MRAs think they do.

Robert
Robert
10 years ago

I have no brief for Critical Theory, but that satirical pyramid is aggressively stupid. The idea that treating half the human race as human beings is or should be considered an ideological position is nothing short of obnoxious.

Bina
10 years ago

Also, WTF does ‘cultural marxist’ EVEN MEAN? I keep seeing it around, but it doesn’t seem to make any sense! WHAT DOES IT MEAN

Whatever they claim it to mean, obviously.

(Insert Inigo Montoya here.)

Bina
10 years ago

Also, that idiotic “pyramid” thingie has “shield” misspelled. Ha, ha.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

Tigerbos: Oh they always worry about drunk women accusing you of rape, but never worry that they might actually be raping someone too drunk to consent.

They have internalized the idea that men can’t control their own sexual behavior, nor does anyone expect them to.
Like the douchebro with his stupid falling-tree analogy over in the other thread.
A man just can’t help but fall upon anyone who presents themselves as an easy victim? Really? He has no volition?

The MRA’s claim to be pro-men, but that is one of the most anti-male stereotypes out there…and they fucking believe it.
They fucking PROMOTE it.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

I prefer Groucho Marxism myself
http://images.uncyc.org/pt/f/f9/Marx-groucho.jpg

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
10 years ago

Somewhat off-topic to David, mods, et al. – especially given David’s posts on the whole #GamerGate thing:

I came across this absolute steaming pile of horseshit on Facebook…

http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/25/gamergate-an-issue-with-2-sides/

katz
10 years ago

Also, WTF does ‘cultural marxist’ EVEN MEAN?

It sounds like someone who’s interested in the culture of communist countries, in which case it might actually be talking about me.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
10 years ago

To go along with that, here’s the paper about a recent study that concludes that those generally labelled as “SJWs” are generally far more sincere (contrary to the accusation they are “faking” it for one reason or another) but – more importantly – that parts of the brain that deal in logic and reasoning are incredibly active when dealing with social issues. So, in a way, our emotional response to immoral actions informs our intellectual approach to it as well. Who’da thunk it…

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/34/12/4161.full.pdf+html

Aitch
Aitch
10 years ago

Also, WTF does ‘cultural marxist’ EVEN MEAN? I keep seeing it around, but it doesn’t seem to make any sense! WHAT DOES IT MEAN

The non-Marxists are winning the battle of the economic sphere, but culturally and socially some people still hang on to the utopia of equal rights. Or something?

The first time I heard of it was in the manifesto of the Norwegian mass murderer (the guy who killed 70 youths on an island), who used it as a catch-all term to label his enemies. After a brief attempt at ironic reclaiming of the term, I’ve heard it coming up in all kinds of evil corners of the internet.
Wiki says a bloke named William Lind has been spreading it, too, but that’s someone I thankfully haven’t heard much about. From his wiki page I suppose he wouldn’t be a big fan of gamers, though.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
10 years ago

Also, WTF does ‘cultural marxist’ EVEN MEAN? I keep seeing it around, but it doesn’t seem to make any sense! WHAT DOES IT MEAN

Evil European communist Jews have undertaken a conspiracy to subvert Decent American Values and corrupt academia by talking about racism and stuff instead of giving people MBAs like God intended.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School_conspiracy_theory

“what began as a bizarre Lyndon Larouche coinage has become the common currency of a larger and larger public of addled enragés [and] has entered at least the fringes of the mainstream.”

TL;DR – when someone says “cultural marxism”, they mean “I am an idiot and none of my opinions should be taken seriously.”

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
10 years ago

Better quote:

According to Richard Lichtman, a social psychology professor at the Wright Institute, the Frankfurt School is “a convenient target that very few people really know anything about…. By grounding their critique in Marxism and using the Frankfurt School, [cultural conservatives] make it seem like it’s quite foreign to anything American. It takes on a mysterious cast and translates as an incomprehensible, anti-American, foreign movement that is only interested in undermining the U.S.” Lichtman says that the “idea being transmitted is that we are being infected from the outside.”

tinyorc
10 years ago

A woman might feel slightly uncomfortable if she’s treated as a threat, so men should just shut the hell up, and weather the hazard in compliant silence.

Seriously though, does anyone else remember when crossing the street to avoid a strange man was the height of misandering?

10knives
10knives
10 years ago

Lenin was NOT an academic, he was a revolutionary. [/nitpick]

Marx and Engels were academics, though – assuming those are supposed to be on there, the pic quality is kinda bad.

10knives
10knives
10 years ago

“[cultural conservatives] make it seem like it’s quite foreign to anything American. It takes on a mysterious cast and translates as an incomprehensible, anti-American, foreign movement that is only interested in undermining the U.S.” Lichtman says that the “idea being transmitted is that we are being infected from the outside.””

Wish I knew how to block quote…

Anyway, I find that this is often a recurring theme in reactionary/authoritarian rethoric – paranoia, xenophobia, “infection”.