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The "Emma You Are Next" site can't be dismissed only as a lulzy prank; it's an assault on the civil rights of women [UPDATED: Hoaxer revealed]

Emma Watson, U.N. Women Global Goodwill Ambassador
Emma Watson, U.N. Women Global Goodwill Ambassador

UPDATE 2: See here for my updated take on the hoax.

UPDATE: It appears the Emma You Are Next site is indeed a hoax, put online not by a 4chan hacker but by a sleazy internet “marketing” company known for similar hoaxes in the past. That said, it was a hoax designed to take advantage of two disturbing trends — not only the widespread public demand for leaked celebrity nudes but also the antifeminist backlash culture of the internet. Emma Watson was already being denounced and derided by internet misogynists even before the Emma You Are Next Site went online. I have made some changes in my original post below; strikeouts indicate the original text. I have also rewritten the conclusion, and taken down the video version of this post.

You already know the basic facts, I imagine: This past weekend, actress Emma Watson gave an eloquent speech at the United Nations about the necessity of feminism, and how the fight for gender equality can benefit both women and men.

Then some asshole or assholes apparently associated with 4chan a sleazy internet “marketing” firm decided to punish her for her opinions exploit the widespread desire for stolen nudes of female celebrities and the antifeminist backlash that was already developing in the wake of Watson’s speech by threatening to release stolen nude pictures of her, setting up a page entitled Emma You Are Next featuring a photo of Watson alongside an ominous countdown clock, presumably highlighting just when she can look forward to her privacy being egregiously violated.

There’s been a lot of debate over whether or not this threat is a real one or a “hoax.” [It appears that it is a hoax.] Business Insider declares that

it’s likely that the countdown site is nothing more than a prank designed to increase the notoriety of anonymous message board 4chan. … The site’s anonymous users often launch pranks and hoaxes to laugh at other internet users and also to further worsen the site’s reputation.

Well, no, that’s not it at all.

First off, it doesn’t really matter if that the site is appears to be a hoax or not. The threat is was a credible one: as we’ve seen recently with the leak of nudes pics of Jennifer Lawrence and others, hackers are indeed capable of stealing the private pictures that celebrities thought were under electronic lock and key – and sites like Reddit have made themselves conduits for the dissemination of the illegally obtained pics, which have included child pornography.

Even if Watson has no nude pictures to steal, some 4channers have insinuated that there are surreptitiously photographed “upskirt” pictures of her that could be equally embarrassing to her.

More to the point, though, the Emma You Are Next site can’t be so easily dismissed only as a “lulzy” prank or publicity stunt.  it’s a clear attempt to punish a woman for practicing feminism in public to exploit the reflexive antifeminism of a large misogynistic subculture on the internet– and a warning reminder to other women that if their opinions offend the creepy assholes of the world they could find their most private pictures plastered all over the internet. In other words, it’s blackmail – aimed at all women with opinions.

Some 4channers have been utterly transparent in their aims sympathies, writing comments such as these, collected from a now-deleted thread by Robyn Pennacchia at DeathAndTaxes:

“she makes stupid feminist speeches at UN, and now her nudes will be online, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH”

“It is real and going to happen this weekend. That feminist bitch Emma is going to show the world she is as much of a whore as any woman.”

Actresses and other women in the public eye are already acutely aware that there are little armies of creeps out there with a vested interest in violating their privacy. As Jessica Goldstein notes on ThinkProgress, singer Taylor Swift recently told Rolling Stone that she lives in constant fear of prying eyes:

“There’s someone whose entire job it is to figure out things that I don’t want the world to see,” she says. “They look at your career, they look at what you prioritize, and they try to figure out what would be the most revealing or hurtful. Like, I don’t take my clothes off in pictures or anything – I’m very private about that. So it scares me how valuable it would be to get a video of me changing. It’s sad to have to look for cameras in dressing rooms and bathrooms. I don’t walk around naked with my windows open, because there’s a value on that.”

The Emma You Are Next page reveals that privacy-invaders (and would-be privacy invaders) aren’t just motivated by money; some are motivated by a hatred of feminism and outspoken women in general, by the desire to take these women down a peg or two. The obsessive interest in stolen celebrity nude pictures reflects not only or even primarily prurient interest, but also and perhaps more importantly a clear desire to punish and humiliate the women in question. For men who hate women, as I put it in a post on the leaked Jennifer Lawrence nudes, the violation of privacy is part of the thrill

And, as #GamerGate and numerous other cases of online harassment of women have made abundantly clear, it’s not just famous women who have to worry about the people who’ve made it their “entire job … to figure out things that I don’t want the world to see.”

Before #GamerGate, Zoe Quinn was an indie game developer little known outside the game world; now her name, the private details of her life, and assorted nude pictures of her, are all over the internet.

Men’s Rights activists and other harassers of women online have been happy to release — or at least threaten to release — the private information of women they’ve declared their enemies; there’s no doubt that if they were able to get hold of nudes someone would post those online as well.

The Emma You Are Next site isn’t just a prank. It’s a symptom of a civil rights issue faced by all women who risk becoming the target of angry misogynistss each and every time they speak up about feminism online or in any other public forum. You can’t have a true free market of ideas if those of one gender can’t speak freely without worrying about their private lives — up to and including nude pictures — being exposed online.

One of the best ways to fight against this attack on free speech is to ensure that Watson’s message reaches as many people as possible. Below, a video of her speech; you can find the transcript here.

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Holytape
6 years ago

Haven’t they ever watched Harry Potter? Don’t they know how badass she is going to get on them?

saphy
saphy
6 years ago

@Holytape, she really is the brightest witch of her age.

They’d just better watch out.

Kootiepatra
Kootiepatra
6 years ago

Well this kind of blows the lid right off of those absurd claims that there was nothing malicious or harmful with the last batch of hacked nudes, doesn’t it? This is not a bunch of clueless dudes who just like looking at unclothed bodies and have no concept of boundaries; this is a calculated, purposeful attempt to hurt a woman. They know it’s humiliating. They know it’s damaging. And that’s why they’re doing it.

Vile, disgusting behavior. It baffles me that real human beings can actually think this way.

Holytape
6 years ago

A shorter version of this threat, “Shut up, or we’ll masturbate to pictures of you.” So really the only response they have to her speech is to touch themselves. I guess we know what level of debater they are.

Doug
Doug
6 years ago

A lot of those 4channers are nihilists. Which brings to mind this quote:

“Some men aren’t looking for anything logical, like money. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” —Batman

Or maybe:

“Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos.” — Big Lebowski

kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

It’s hatred of women and desire to injure and punish.

Not that I’d ever have seen this sort of loathesome, should-be-locked-up-for-life-with-no-internet shit any other way.

ikanreed
ikanreed
6 years ago

4Channers aren’t nihilists. They’re failures. Failures in their personal lives, desperately scratching for some way to make their collective identity recognized and valued in the way they, themselves aren’t.

And sadly, it works. Any reaction other than actively punishing those involved stokes their egos. Even the non-participants in any given piece of awfulness. In a lot of ways, they match up with the anti-social characteristics of potential terrorist profiles. The main difference is that terrorists tend to be indoctrinated by charismatic leaders, and 4channers are self-deceiving.

vaiyt
6 years ago

That feminist bitch Emma is going to show the world she is as much of a whore as any woman.

Yeah, how dare she be a woman and have a body! Sometimes she takes her clothes off, the outrage! There oughta be a law!

cloudiah
6 years ago

List of famous people who’ve been involved with the UN without 4chan threatening them:
* George Clooney
* Leonardo DiCaprio
* Bill Gates
* Michael Douglas
* Stevie Wonder
* Muhammad Ali

And some women too, but they didn’t have the gall to talk about women having rights.

4chan is a cesspool. Anyone who swims there is tainted by that.

cloudiah
6 years ago

Why do trolls want us to see their entire YouTube playlist? Silly trolls.

littlekatze
6 years ago

Yeah, how dare she be a woman and have a body! Sometimes she takes her clothes off, the outrage! There oughta be a law!

I bet she’s all naked under those clothes, too!

cloudiah
6 years ago

Seriously, I think we need a troll dictionary. Because clearly, “annihilated” means “babbled on for a while, revealing how much he hates women and loves the sound of his own voice” in troll-ese.

Nell Webbish
Nell Webbish
6 years ago

6oodfella recorded his mental defecation and posted it online so winners like River Park good rush over and gobble it up.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

Emma Watson is sheer awesomeness. She’s also spoken up in support of the victims of the iCloud hacks, ”http://www.itv.com/news/2014-09-02/emma-watson-criticises-lack-of-empathy-towards-photo-hacking-victims/”> criticising the lack of empathy shown towards them/a>.

She and her co-stars on HP already went through the hideously offensive ‘Legal age countdown’ clock when they were nearing their 18th birthdays, and now this. Standing ovation to Emma Watson for proving how much better she is than this shit.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Losers pretending to be the digital version of Dig Dastardly.

littlekatze
6 years ago

But seriously, these people are a plague. I mean, it’s so obvious that all they want is to silence Emma and all women who think like her. The message is clear;
here we have Emma Watson, the actress the internet adores. She showed feminist opinions in public and now we’re going to break her. That’s what happens to women who don’t know their place.
I bet if a man held that exact same speech, none of these creeps would have given a shit.

vaiyt
6 years ago

@Doug:

Nihilists? Not really. They’re just bog standard privileged asshats and bullies.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Trolls — no one likes you for a reason.

River Park
River Park
6 years ago

what makes you think he hates women?

Kevin K
Kevin K
6 years ago

Do these assholes think that feminists are against nudity? That they’re somehow clothed under their clothes?

All of the feminists I’m personally acquainted with have normal sex drives. A whole lot of them are happily married mothers. And their husbands are happily married fathers (contra the whole “sperm-jacking” bullshit).

I don’t get it. How does nude = whore?

dorabella
dorabella
6 years ago

The video posted by River Park is hilarious This guy seems completely drunk. Have you noticed how many times he says “Emma”? It’s something I have noticed, but I can’t quite explain, the way some people keep repeating their opponent’s first name (in particular with women, but also among men) in an attempt to humiliate them.

kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

Shove off, troll, nobody’s interested.

sorceressensorcelled
sorceressensorcelled
6 years ago

You know, when I was a kid, I used to dream about my favorite cartoon characters coming to life. I never thought that the flat villains I liked the LEAST would come straight out of the TV to haunt me though. This is a sad, sad day for my inner child.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

What does a YouTube video criticizing her speech even have to do with the topic? How is it appropriate to threaten this kind of retaliation for a speech you don’t like? She could have made a speech about how much she hates kittens and puppies and this would still be an extremely wrong reaction.

ikanreed
ikanreed
6 years ago

@Kevin K

Remember, that in the minds of misogynists, women are supposed to be pristine, sexually pure unplucked flowers. They don’t even remotely care that this conflicts with their beliefs that women should constantly be sexually available to them. It’s not rational.

Fibinachi
6 years ago

@River Park:

…. seriously?

“Forget the man and boys, forget ’em, they don’t matter. I have a transcript of her speech here, and all I can think of is: what a bigot”

Transcript:

I’ve seen young men suffering from mental illness unable to ask for help for fear it would make them look less “macho”—in fact in the UK suicide is the biggest killer of men between 20-49; eclipsing road accidents, cancer and coronary heart disease. I’ve seen men made fragile and insecure by a distorted sense of what constitutes male success. Men don’t have the benefits of equality either.

We don’t often talk about men being imprisoned by gender stereotypes but I can see that that they are and that when they are free, things will change for women as a natural consequence.
If men don’t have to be aggressive in order to be accepted women won’t feel compelled to be submissive. If men don’t have to control, women won’t have to be controlled.

Both men and women should feel free to be sensitive. Both men and women should feel free to be strong… It is time that we all perceive gender on a spectrum not as two opposing sets of ideals.

That’s… uhm… That’s certainly something, there. Yeah.

against gay marriage… signs saying black men steal phones…. yatta yatta yatta…. can’t understand perspectives or historical differences… how harsh… blah blah blah… man hating…
… at 18 my male friends were unable to share their feelings why are you telling us this… wait a second weren’t you just ranting that all men are always disposal and all feminists hate them what… blah blah blah… blah….. nonsense… make shit up…. posh… yeah I’m done with this.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

Oh. Troll.

@River Park,

6oodfella annihilated nothing except his own credibility. Less than a minute in and he’s pissing up the wall with his observational errors – the examples Emma Watson gave in her speech of the oppression women still face were not just from her “privileged white demographic”. They specifically referenced lack of secondary education for girls in Africa and the stats for child brides.

If this is your way of condoning the counter-answer of threats and privacy violation given to her speech, bugger off and learn how to be a better human being.

CattyGal
CattyGal
6 years ago

I bet their families from their mothers to their fathers to their brothers and sisters to even their nephews and nieces have no idea what kind of vile, horrible male relatives they have walking amongst them. To their faces and in general they probably appear normal but in private their families would be truly horrified if they ever found out what they write and say or what they are up to on the internet. Would they want their mothers to read what they really think of women??! Does it ever cross their minds about that? If they were confronted what the hell would they say? They’re just joking and having a laugh? I mean WHAT the f u c k!

Doug
Doug
6 years ago

“Remember, that in the minds of misogynists, women are supposed to be pristine, sexually pure unplucked flowers. They don’t even remotely care that this conflicts with their beliefs that women should constantly be sexually available to them. It’s not rational.”

Well, the woman is supposed to be sexually available to the particular misogynist but not to anyone else. That’s the internal logic, I suppose.

vaiyt
6 years ago

How does nude = whore?

The body of a woman is inherently sinful.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

I’m still just pissed that threatening to show nude pictures is still actually a legitimate threat against a woman. Why should THEY get punished for the assholery of creepers?

RE: River Park

what makes you think he hates women?

What makes you think any of us are interested in talking to you?

sorceressensorcelled
sorceressensorcelled
6 years ago

(Because the rest of my comment wasn’t posted, for some reason)

As bad as it is for my inner child, though, I can’t imagine what it’s like for Emma’s. She’s so awesome, and doesn’t deserve a lick of this abuse from these losers. Hang in there!

ceebarks
ceebarks
6 years ago

Emma gave a great speech. I’m sorry she’s being harassed by nasty people (ok, nasty dudes, who am I kidding?!)

On a cheerier note, I actually woke up this morning to my husband, of all people, watching it. I was so astonished I honestly did not know what to say– he’s a genuinely good guy and basically pretty progressive for a man of his age and background– but discussing women’s issues with him is, overall, a lot like talking to a brick wall that says variations of “Well…” “Sure, sure.” and “yeah, that sucks, best ignore it” a lot. (Midwesterners!!)

To top it off, I didn’t even show him the speech– he ran across it on facebook, I imagine. Amazing.

mariangela
mariangela
6 years ago

How courageous and forthright of this young woman!

One thing that can be remembered about the attackers is their poor attention span. A two-week vacation, and when Emma returns, their attack will be over and her speech will stand as strongly as when she made it.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

And people say that misandry exists and is just as bad as misogny. Keep going Emma you’re doing great! And to every other feminist woman out there too!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

4chan is a horcrux where bottom-feeders go to splinter off the last remnants of their souls.

You’d think after awhile, nude celebrity photos would lose their shock value, like preschoolers saying a dirty word over and over. I know it isn’t really the nudity they’re after, it’s the invasion of privacy and the illusion that the fappeners have somehow knocked celebs off their pedestal by reducing them to a collection of body parts. (Like they ever saw them as anything more than a bunch of body parts.) In the real world, this kind of stunt makes them look like a bunch of juvenile, boobie-obsessed idiots who are trying to silence the opposition because they have no logical rebuttal. “Don’t listen to her opinions! LOOK! SHE HAS A NAKKED!!”

Meanwhile, Emma Watson continues to be awesome, successful, and famous. She spoke in front of the freakin’ UN. Millions of people saw or read her speech. People are praising her courage. The media is taking her seriously. Her message resonates.

And crap like this gives it extra loud resonance. Way to go, 4chan. You’re inadvertently helping our cause.

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
6 years ago

I would like to point out that in her speech, Emma shows more “sympathy for men and boys” than anybody at A Voice for Men, an “activist group,” ever has.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
6 years ago

some 4channers have insinuated that there are surreptitiously photographed “upskirt” pictures of her that could be equally embarrassing to her.

I just can’t get over this. We live in a world where someone taking a photo of your genitals without your consent is supposed to be embarrassing for you. I can’t even.

I would like to point out that in her speech, Emma shows more “sympathy for men and boys” than anybody at A Voice for Men, an “activist group,” ever has.

But she wants them to be able to cry and have feeeelings! It’s all part of the feminazi plot to emasculate men!

cloudiah
6 years ago

And in yet another case of Ally Fogg just not fucking getting it, the important thing about Watson’s speech for him is that the website for the campaign wants to focus on women and girls. What a crime against humanity that not every fucking thing focuses equally on men and boys.

Octo
Octo
6 years ago

But she wants them to be able to cry and have feeeelings! It’s all part of the feminazi plot to emasculate men!

Well, yes, but only if a woman raises the issue. If women don’t raise that issue, they obviously don’t care about men’s plight and the MRA can use it as talking point about “female privilege”.

As always, it’s “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”.

ralmcg
ralmcg
6 years ago

Emma Watson’s speech reminds me of Malala Yousafzai, the Pakistani girl who was shot by the Taliban because she’s speaking about girls getting an education, which the Taliban doesn’t believe in. I believe that the MRA’s and others in the manosphere would faint if Ms. Yousafazi ever gets the Nobel Peace Prize for her work.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
6 years ago

List of famous people who’ve been involved with the UN without 4chan threatening them:
* George Clooney
* Leonardo DiCaprio
* Bill Gates
* Michael Douglas
* Stevie Wonder
* Muhammad Ali

And some women too, but they didn’t have the gall to talk about women having rights.

And even those who have aren’t usually threatened on this level. Where is the mass campaign to share nude pics of Malala Yousafzai? Where is the frothing outrage at Somali Mam? There’s another dimension here: a woman these men are attracted to is telling them they’re actually not entitled to anything from her, and never have been, and is publicly reprimanding them for believing otherwise. Which, to them, feels like something has been taken from them, and like a child who’s raided the cookie jar only to have his cookies taken away, they’re throwing a temper tantrum.

Re: Emma’s speech, I saw it on the news yesterday at my physical therapist’s office, and got weirdly excited to see CNN using the “f” word. Maybe the country is ready to have this conversation again? Then my (male) PT started talking about how he agreed with her and how he’d been trying to talk to his brother about what feminism really is, and it made me feel really hopeful. So suck on it, MRAs. You lose.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Brain bleach for all
http://youtu.be/ba7rRfKIHxU

cloudiah
6 years ago

Needless to say given the topic I went ahead and disabled comments on its YouTube page.

CENSORSHIP!

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
6 years ago

HOW DARE YOU SILENCE THE TROLLS!

(Shut up, Woody.)

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