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Men’s Rightsers take up arms against the vidya game destroyers. And Kroger supermarkets. Never give up! Never surrender!

This gif makes a lot more sense if you've seen Galaxy Quest
This gif makes a lot more sense if you’ve seen Galaxy Quest

#GamerGate and Men’s Rights: two terrible tastes that taste terribler together.

Ok, maybe that slogan needs a bit of work. But it’s true that when you combine the poor-oppressed-me-we-hate-AnitaZoe-Sarquinneesian narrative of the #GamerGaters with the poor-oppressed-me-feminazis-rule-the-world narrative of the Men’s Righsters you get some amazing outbursts of indignant self-dramatizing self-pity.

Take, for example, this melodramatic email sent by A Voice for Men’s “operations manager” Dean Esmay to … a grocery chain that advertises on the game site Kotaku, a bete noire of the #GamerGate movement. I’ve highlighted some of the Esmay-ist bits:

Greetings. I have been a Kroger customer, with a Kroger value card* me and my family use, for about 20 years. I have been grossly offended by the insults by Kotaku to me and my son, who have played video games together since he was about 3 years old (he’ll be an adult soon). Kotaku has been spreading hateful messages about people like me and my son and has been involved in what looks like blatant journalistic corruption. Please stop supporting this hateful publication with your advertising. If you do not, I will look to shop exclusively at your competitors in my area, including Meier, Bush’s, and Hiller’s.

Stop Kotaku’s abuse of my family. Thank you.

That’s right, Esmay thinks Kotaku is literally ABUSING his son, and the rest of his family to boot, by spreading “hateful messages” about gamers.

What sort of terrible hatred does Kotaku promote? Consider these ABUSIVE quotes from the site’s Editor in Chief:

I’m the editor-in-chief of a large gaming site with millions of readers. I consider myself a reporter. How else do I define myself? I’m a gamer. I don’t mind the term. If you do, that doesn’t bother me. I’m confident in who I am. If you’re a gamer who harasses? Who sends rape threats or stalks Twitter feeds or terrorizes people from their home or gloats at others’ struggles? Find a new hobby. If you’re a gamer who wants better games reporting? Be specific about what you dislike. Please seek, support and celebrate those whose work you do like. …

Gaming is better when it’s diverse, when it lets marginalized people find their creative voice or their escapist outlet or a social circle that welcomes them.

What a disgusting hatemonger!

Oh, but that’s just the tip of the iceberg! Consider this list of the most popular stories now up on Kotaku:

Popular stories Behold, Final Fantasy XV's First Live Gameplay Footage A Guide To Obtaining And Upgrading Legendary Gear In Destiny First Details about the Final Fantasy XV Demo Player's Secret Weapon In Destiny's Multiplayer Is...Sitting Wow, People Are Still Coming Up With Wild Silent Hills Theories Some of the Tokyo Game Show's Best Cosplay ​How To Trick Destiny Into Helping You Farm Tons Of Loot
Kotaku: Pure antimale evil

Live game footage of Final FantasyXV? Gameplay tips!? Pictures of Japanese people dressed up like video game characters!?!!

It’s as if the site were literally run by FEMINIST HITLER.

But all hope is not lost! Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit one angry and ever-so-slightly melodramatic gamer tries to rally the troops:

A message to those bravely standing up for video games in the unending face of Feminist oppression: DON'T GIVE UP. DON'T SURRENDER. (self.MensRights)  submitted 18 hours ago by fingerjesus  I've been watching this whole saga for a while now. I've done my best to participate; alerting you guys to the SJW journalists who should be driven out of our culture. All I have to say is this: DON'T GIVE UP.  Yes things may look bleak, the SJWs are still thriving and their lies still permeate every pore of our hobby. But remember this - it can't last. Sooner or later we're going to reach breaking point and we will emerge victorious, the SJWs will be sent running back to their Tumblr dwellings and video games will be free again.  I've seen a lot of you asking "What does this have to do with men's rights"? The answer is EVERYTHING. Have you not noticed? GAMER is a proxy word for MEN. They want to eradicate GAMER culture? Yeah, guess who that really means. Tthe SJws won't be happy until male culture as we know it has vanished, cosigned to the aether like a memory or a fleeting moment of 'what could have been'.  DON'T GIVE UP, WE CAN WIN THIS WAR.
FORWARD MARCH!

Sorry, I got a little carried away with the highlighter there, but almost everything he wrote is pure gold. If by “pure gold” you mean “the most ludicrous pile of crap I’ve seen in a long time, and I’m someone who reads Men’s Rights sites pretty much every day.”

H/T: Mancheeze, r/againstmensrights

NOTE: Just in case anyone missed it, this post contains

SARCASM

 

Well, sarcasm from me. I’m pretty sure those other dudes are serious.

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il.vel.05
il.vel.05
7 years ago

“SJWs won’t be happy until male culture as we know it has vanished.”

Well, the (generously highlighted) drama generator has actually managed to get ONE thing right. I’m almost impressed.

jbgarner58
7 years ago

I think the funniest thing is that most of us are proud to be called Social Justice Warriors. It makes it sound like being a badass world-saving superhero. I’m not sure why the MRAs and gamebros consider it an insult or a slur, because no one else would ever think so.

schismtracer
schismtracer
7 years ago

I’m not sure why the MRAs and gamebros consider [SJW] an insult or a slur, because no one else would ever think so.

Originally, the term referred to the sort of people who used social justice concepts as a bludgeon in personal disputes or as a method of self-aggrandizement. I’m not positive, but it might be a reference to biker culture’s “weekend warriors” concept, i.e. people who only show up when the real world doesn’t require them and don’t live the lifestyle, as it were. A sarcastic term for parasites, basically.

Unfortunately, the term was seized upon by anti-SJ people and has become generalized to the point of meaninglessness.

mildlymagnificent
7 years ago

Oh dear. This is alarming.

I think Feminist HQ should terminate their agreement with the SJWs. They’re obviously letting out the details of our sooper seekrit plans for world domination.

talbotfish
talbotfish
7 years ago

Didn’t Esmay try to randomly slander some reporter by all but throwing his handicapped kids at him somehow…I’ve seen his posts and he comes across as someone who has justified ANY means to get his end

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

Yes things may look bleak, the SJWs are still thriving and their lies still permeate every pore of our hobby.

I’ve read this sentence ten times and still doesn’t make sense. It’s so completely and perfectly wrong on so many different levels its almost a thing of beauty.

Redcap
Redcap
7 years ago

Have none of these caught to the -fact- that women make up half the video gaming audience now? That POC gamers outnumber white male ones? That black male gamers alone spend more on video games than white males? That the bigoted white gamer types they hold up as the primary gaming audience are absolutely tiny in comparison to everyone else who’s playing?

It’s almost as if they’re ignoring everything that doesn’t confirm their bias! Wowee, imagine that!

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I’m sure the fucks Kroger gives about losing Esmay’s business is right around zero.

I didn’t know he had a son, I feel sorry for that kid.

Kootiepatra
Kootiepatra
7 years ago

But… but Kotaku is. a. gaming. website.

As in, “People like me and my son” (people who like video games) = the entirety of Kotaku’s readership.

Now, “Straight white dudes who like video games and also deeply resent anyone who is not a straight white dude”–okay, that’s not 100% of Kotaku’s readership, but I think it’s going to be a tough sell convincing Kroger that this is a demographic they want to side with.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

Sometimes I ask the manager of my local Krogers to start carrying something that they don’t currently carry. I once ran the numbers and there is about a 0.8 probability of my later finding that item on the shelves.

Maybe Esmay thinks that getting the fifth largest retailer in the world to change its corporate policies is that simple.

I have to admit that I liked this part:

I have been grossly offended by the insults by Kotaku to me and my son …

Stop Kotaku’s abuse of my family. Thank you.

That makes it sound like Kotaku ran a story with the headline, “Why Dean Esmay and his son are poopyheads,” with a later followup, “If you meet Dean Esmay or his son in the street, you need to pitch rotten vegetables and day-old roadkill at them.” Doesn’t quite match the reality.

sunnysombrera
7 years ago

Kotaku’s editor makes an excellent point about gamergate and the inability to take them seriously as they are right now. Obviously harassing other people won’t win you popularity points in the real world. You won’t get anything done about “corrupt” gaming journalism if you’re not specific, in fact the more times you ignore a request for details the more it looks like you’re just trying to cover up your real goal of cyberbullying whoever you want.

Barney K.
Barney K.
7 years ago

Ha! Laughing at seeing this post here. I actually work for Kroger’s support team, and deal specifically with folks who send in emails.

For the last month or so, we’ve absolutely been flooded with emails. To the point where we set up a separate folder to specifically respond to a highly-politically-charged issue, and the addition to our backlog has forced us to temporarily disable the comment page and take other steps to catch up.

Yeah, it’s a pretty tricky thing, politically, and I imagine we were getting about 25-50 emails a day about… open-carry and concealed-carry policies in our stores.

In comparison, emails mentioning Polygon and other #GamerGate type stuff… we got maybe 10 a week, and that’s a generous estimate. Contributing to, by my rough estimation, 0.0001% of our email load.

But you keep fighting the good fight, GGers. You’ll get there eventually.

teacat
teacat
7 years ago

Like my gamerbro Facebook “friend” (who I keep on there because his meltdowns amuse me) who blew up at how corrupt and biased Cracked.com – not a news or information but a humor site – was and then immediately proceeded to post that American Enterprise Institute – I would be hard pressed to call them news, but they definitely try to dissemate information – “video games aren’t sexist” video with no comment.

The irony killed me more than the Cracked.com screed alone.

Misha
Misha
7 years ago

… the SJWs are still thriving and their lies still permeate every pore of our hobby.

The aggrieved entitlement is strong with this one.

Newsflash: It is not YOUR hobby, OR the hobby of your hapless diversity-hating gamebros. The individuals who want to see games evolve beyond depictions of harmful cultural stereotypes and tired sexist tropes also, wait for it, Play. Games. I play games. I am so excited by the recent footage released for FFXV that I could puke. You do not own them, and you do not speak for me.

(… ever so slightly vexed that the main party for FFXV so far consists of four young white dudes. Come on Square Enix, you’ve been better than that).

seraph4377
7 years ago

@ Redcap – Probably not. You know how white, rural, heterosexual, Christian conservatives have been told for the last forty years that they’re the only Real Americans, and they cling to that belief even now that demographics have reached a point where you can’t win elections without some of those “fake” Americans voting for you? They talk about Barack Obama only winning because of the Black Vote…and the Hispanic Vote…and the Single Women’s Vote…essentially the everyone-but-them vote…as if those votes were less legitimate?

It’s like that. It doesn’t matter if they’re outnumbered (not that they really believe they are; everyone they know hates those SJW’s), they’re the only true gamers, and everyone else is a newcomer SJW who can be driven out if the true gamers just try hard enough.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Memo to the Social Injustice Couchpotatoes:

Women have been playing video games since they first became available on the mass market. That’s longer than a lot of you bozos have been alive. Your arguments are invalid. Now put down the joysticks and back away from the console. Slowly.

>evil laughter<

Scarlettathena
Scarlettathena
7 years ago

Ostensibly, GamerGate has become a reclamation of the term “gamer.” Ostensibly it’s about good people saying, hey, playing games doesn’t make us bad people or doesn’t identify us all as misogynists/racists/bigots. To anyone who loves video games, this is the least controversial position to take. Does anyone disagree with this at all? Does anyone who cares about video games think that playing games makes you a bad person or indicates that you’re scum?

oh the humanity!

I’ve heard people who feel persecuted by the gaming press. I really don’t think you are, but okay, own your gamer-ness with pride! What may be happening here is a sense that a good number of gamers feel like they’re outside the dominant conversations about games. It is a real thing for readers of the news to feel distanced from those who report. It’s a real thing to feel disenfranchised from the discussion about something you love and to be frustrated that your voice isn’t heard

so insulting!

Scarlettathena
Scarlettathena
7 years ago

Yay! I blockquoted! (that is a verb, right?)

btw, the quotes are from Kotaku.com

il.vel.05
il.vel.05
7 years ago

teacat,

You might want to innocently post the following on your friend’s wall:

He’ll fall to pieces all over the place, special effects included.

Johanna Roberts
7 years ago

@Bina – you said what I was going to say. We’ve been here since the start and now that the industry is at least pretending to listen to us more the dudebros who were always the loudest are having a meltdown. And after all the abuse they’ve heaped at me over the years all I can do is laugh.

Octo
Octo
7 years ago

The SJWs won’t be happy until male culture […] has vanished

Well, I can’t speak about “the SJWs”, whatever they’re supposed to be, but I certainly would be happy if we concepts of “male culture” and “female culture” were to vanish forever.

RobertDobolinaEsq
RobertDobolinaEsq
7 years ago

Trouble with GGers getting specific is that one’s supposed concern with “corruption” has to be more than a smokescreen for that to happen.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

Kroger’s also supports unions and covers comprehensive women’s health care for employees.
I think I’ll go shop there today.

lacerta viridis
lacerta viridis
7 years ago

@Bina & @Johanna Roberts – for fucking serious. I’ve been playing video games literally since I was old enough to hit the buttons on a Pac-Man machine – so about thirty years – and now a bunch of adolescent boys are whining that I’m invading ‘their’ hobby? No, how about you get the fuck out of MY hobby.

Also, ‘politely commenting that sending rape threats isn’t very nice’ is the most, er, interesting definition of ‘abuse’ I’ve ever heard.

cloudiah
7 years ago

This hasn’t been posted here in a while, but it seems appropriate:

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

Octo,
Right? Gamers cannot be both welcoming to all people if gaming culture only belongs to one gender. I’m reminded of Raising Arizona. “Which is it to be young fella? If’n I freeze I can’t get down and if’n I get down I’ll be in motion. “

teacat
teacat
7 years ago

@il.vel.05 Wow, that video was no different in “content” than what I expected it to be. The original video I’d avoided, I mean – this one was great in that there weren’t really that many argumentative musical interludes required to point out how fallacious the “arguments” were. (obvious Thompson comparison baiting and “join usss gamers” tone is obvious)

I’ll have to find a way to sneak that video on his timeline :). Facebook’s pretty weird about stuff like that these days, though.

idledillettante
7 years ago

@Barney K.

“Yeah, it’s a pretty tricky thing, politically, and I imagine we were getting about 25-50 emails a day about… open-carry and concealed-carry policies in our stores.”

Seriously? Are folks mad that they can’t bring guns to the store, or that people with concealed carry permits can? Or is it people with open-carry permits who just want to carry their weapons in plain sight while shopping? The idea that I need a gun to shop for food safely is just mind-boggling.

Why would you ever need a firearm at Kroger’s? I used to live in the south/shopped at southern grocery stores and I know certain stores, Kroger’s included, do hire security if they feel it’s necessary.

FWIW I’m also 90% the security is there to prevent non-violent shoplifting.

Not that I’m surprised about Esmay. The last time I spoke to him on Twitter he called me a “compassionless cunt” without any sense of irony. He was bitching about the whole Jessica-Valenti-male-tears-shirt-gate and I asked him if he understood that Valenti was being humorous.

jojo
jojo
7 years ago

These people get closer to Michelle Bachmann level every damn day

lkeke35
7 years ago

I grew up with two brothers and started playing video games around the same time they discovered them. ( Very first game I ever played was Pong.) It’s ridiculous for these guys to believe they can just stop half the population of the country from being gamers, many of whom have been playing longer than some of them have been alive, if they just whine about it loud enough.

The same thing is going on in Comic books and movies. These are the last bastions of media that seem thoroughly dedicated to catering to young, White, straight, men.

Maybe in a few years some of them will grow up ,realized their lives have not been upheaved by diversity and will realize how utterly silly their overreaction was and feel even a little bit of shame. Then again ,it could become like racism after the Civil Rights era and just metastasize underground.

Shadow_Bee
Shadow_Bee
7 years ago

Ugh. Talk about the concept of patriarchy to any of these dudebros, and they’ll deny, deny, deny its existence. “Male culture”, though? WE MUST PRESERVE IT AT ALL COSTS!

saintnick86
saintnick86
7 years ago

I think the funniest thing is that most of us are proud to be called Social Justice Warriors.

I know, right? It’s a weirdly complimentary insult. They could easily come up with the most grotesque, degrading term imaginable…and yet they go with one that sounds downright heroic.

It kind of reminds me of Thunderf00t and co.’s utterly bizarre claim that games are “misandrist” because they make the protagonist character suffer in order to save a woman. ‘Cause, as we all know, those same characters are never venerated and awarded for their actions since time immemorial and women have never been portrayed as petty, vindictive, and manipulative in fiction ever. Oh God, the totally imagined horror

I think the funniest thing is that most of us are proud to be called Social Justice Warriors.

Uh, no – it isn’t. Like a lot of terms people want to attach gender to, it’s perfectly unisex. It refers to people who like playing videogames and, to my understanding, half of that consumer base is women. The people who claim that a certain kind of fandom is exclusive to one gender may as well take it to the next logical extreme and say that it’s also racially exclusive to white people, while they’re at it.

I feel the same way I did when someone referred to Neko Case as “the best female musician” around and then felt insulted when Ms. Case rightfully pointed she wasn’t fond of the qualifier of “female” – as if it is abnormal for women to use instruments properly. Then again, that applies to being a writer or comedian or any other occupation that either gender can do: “female” doesn’t need to be used as a clarification, especially if you start describing them with “she” – as in “she is a gamer/writer/comedian.” Adding “female” is both repetitive and redundant, given that.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

Kotaku is the only gaming website I’ve ever read because I read Gawker and Jezebel and it’s convenient. The comment section is filled with diversity hating white bros. If Kotaku is hated amongst those types, I don’t even want to know what happens in the comments sections of sites they like.

Seriously, one week they had a story about a female journalist being harassed by a male developer. The majority blamed her for not being direct enough and not giving him a firm hard no.
About a week or two later they ran a story about a young woman who was employed at Hot Topic being stalked and creeped on by a customer who decided she must be his dream girl and wouldn’t stop sending FB messages. So she finally replied in a firm and direct way and explained why his behavior was inappropriate when turning him down nicely didn’t work. She was a bit caustic, but after so many unsolicited messages, I can’t blame her. Of course the commenters were mad at her for being mean because he’s just socially awkward and what if he’s ASD?
Sorry to ramble but if the supposedly pro SJW site has so much misogyny not amongst its writers, but its readers at least, is it much of a surprise that feminists have chosen to focus on sexism in the gaming community lately?

saintnick86
saintnick86
7 years ago

Whoops, accidentally posted the same quote twice. The second one was actually…

GAMER is a proxy word for MEN.

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
7 years ago

Ostensibly it’s about good people saying, hey, playing games doesn’t make us bad people or doesn’t identify us all as misogynists/racists/bigots. To anyone who loves video games, this is the least controversial position to take. Does anyone disagree with this at all?

No, playing video games doesn’t make you a bad person. And no, saying that is not controversial. But starting a movement that is explicitly against people who are calling out sexism and racism in the gaming world is not a very virtuous position! When one person is saying “omg there’s too much sexism here”, and another person is saying “shut up, we love sexism”, and yet another person is saying “shut up, you’re making me look bad”, you’re still telling the person who is trying to make the world better to “shut up”, even if you’re not yourself the one who loves sexism.

“Neutrality” isn’t neutral when one side is clearly good and the other side is clearly bad. If you want to disassociate yourself with the baddies, then you should help the goodies, not tell them to shut up. It’s the baddies who are making you look bad.

Zolnier
Zolnier
7 years ago

I really have to convince my brother to read this. Maybe it’ll get him to stop saying Indie Illuminati.

It's A Furret (@RicksWriting)

(… ever so slightly vexed that the main party for FFXV so far consists of four young white dudes. Come on Square Enix, you’ve been better than that).

I think that’s a bit of a misinterpretation–the “style” of anime reads to their original audience (Japanese, other asians) as asian. It just so happens that Western audiences don’t see overtly asian characteristics and read them as white instead. This tends to result in a lot of confusion when some people point to “clearly white anime characters” when that’s only rarely the intention.

katz
7 years ago

I appreciate Esmay for being so very explicit that it’s not about him being allowed to play games, it’s about everyone else not being allowed to do so.

Broken Butterfly
Broken Butterfly
7 years ago

@katz
I know, right? It’s almost thoughtful in a weird sort of backwards way.

Zolnier
Zolnier
7 years ago

I remember when social justice activists leapt through my window and ripped my keyboard from under my fingers for playing something released by a major studio all the while cackling over their evil plan to make a game via crowd funding . Truly gaming is a dangerous hobby these days.

roguepixie
roguepixie
7 years ago

I’m mildly disappointed no one mentioned the Illuminati, too. Can’t think of it too long though. I have to go clean my computer’s pores now. I might play some Dragon Age later.

@Zoinier—I’m sorry. That must have been traumatic.

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
7 years ago

With this letter from Esmay and yesterday’s weird appearance of director John Glower in the comments talking about abuse regarding criticism toward Aurini crappy film, the meaning of the word “abuse” has received some serious abuse recently.

Misha
Misha
7 years ago

@ It’s A Furret

Good point, I didn’t even think of the western misinterpretation of anime characters as ‘white’. I guess it’s more the lack of diversity in the playable main characters compared to previous games in the FF series that seems such a huge step backwards. For me, in the last few releases it was the increasingly great mix of male and female characters in the main party of all ages and backgrounds that made it such a great experience – in the game before last the series had it’s first female protagonist, and she kicked ass. In this latest … eh. It seems to have veered into a completely different direction via this bog standard Team Dudebro out to Save Da World.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Barney K.

I actually work for Kroger’s support team, and deal specifically with folks who send in emails.

I am so sorry. You are truly of valiant spirit.

RE: Lea

Kroger’s also supports unions and covers comprehensive women’s health care for employees.

…I suddenly am so glad I shop at Kroger’s!

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
7 years ago

CMD: With this letter from Esmay and yesterday’s weird appearance of director John Glower in the comments talking about abuse regarding criticism toward Aurini crappy film, the meaning of the word “abuse” has received some serious abuse recently.

I’d say that lately “abuse” has been kept in a pit in a basement and told to rub the lotion on its skin…

Tessa
7 years ago

Zolnier:

I remember when social justice activists leapt through my window and ripped my keyboard from under my fingers for playing something released by a major studio all the while cackling over their evil plan to make a game via crowd funding . Truly gaming is a dangerous hobby these days.

Oh wow! That was you? Dude, I totally did you a favor.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
7 years ago

(… ever so slightly vexed that the main party for FFXV so far consists of four young white dudes. Come on Square Enix, you’ve been better than that).

Wouldn’t they be four young Japanese dudes? “Unmarked” is not the same as “white”.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
7 years ago

Whoops, already been addressed. I hope people enjoy the essay at least.

Misha
Misha
7 years ago

That essay was a good kick in the proverbial – damn but did I fail all over the mammoth.