Congratulations, A Voice for Men. You are having an impact upon the world.
Or at least upon one organization in India, a truly reprehensible group called Masculinist India, which has adopted the histrionic rhetorical style, and even some of the specific arguments, advanced by AVFM and other North American Men’s Rights groups for a series of graphically challenged “masculinist” memes posted on Facebook and on the group’s web page. Masculinist India has even adopted AVFM’s preferred nomenclature, describing its members as “Men’s Human Rights Activists.” They are of course the complete opposite of “human rights” activists, campaigning instead against basic rights for women.
The influence of AVFM and other Western Men’s Rightsers can been seen again and again in Masculinist India’s posts and memes, which have all the sophistication and subtlety of Chick Tracts.
The “feminists made me a misogynist” logic of the meme above, for example, echoes the argument made in “Hate Bounces,” an influential MRA screed by MRA/MGTOW elder “Zed,” and by countless other MRAs including former AVFM Number Two John Hembling.
Other memes borrow not only the arguments of Western MRAs but recycle the same tired stock photos, like the angry woman in this meme, a favorite amongst Western MRAs.
Masculinist India’s graphics-makers are as obsessed with this “argument” as is AVFM’s Paul Elam.
And they share AVFM’s fondness for threatening rhetoric — in this case complete with violent imagery.
And while AVFM’s Elam argues that men serving on juries should vote to acquit all men charged with rape, even if they’re obviously guilty, in order to protest an allegedly “misandrist” court system, the Masculinist India crew celebrates a court decision allowing married men to rape their wives with impunity. The following meme appears on their website under the taunting headline “Know Your Role, Girls.” [TRIGGER WARNING for rape apologism, offensive imagery.]
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I don’t even want to know why they chose bloody fingers for this graphic.
This meme, meanwhile, suggests that it’s an injustice that men are not allowed to forbid their wives from wearing blue jeans.
Human rights: You’re doing it wrong.
Unfortunately, Masculinist India is not some obscure little group with no influence in the world. Its Facebook page has nearly twenty thousand “likes” — several thousand more, that is, than that of AVFM itself.
Apparently in India as well as the United States there is a market for this brand of hatred.
NOTE: Thanks to Cloudiah for bringing these memes to my attention.
Aitch: Bostonian is a regular.
Wax off.
Thanks for the apology, asshole.
LBT, glad to see you back around here! Was going to say something earlier, but chew toy.
Thanks, hellkell! You also might see another system member posting here besides me, if she sticks around. That has yet to be seen.
I do keep putting my foot in it today. Sorry, Bostonian. 🙁
How many guys get married just to have sex?
I’ve happily had sex for many years without being married…but I’m gay, so I don’t count.
RE: Michael McG
Hubby’s bi, and by all indications, he got around plenty before marrying me. Plenty of women were willing to bang him without marriage!
Oh, FFS. How many people told Just A Guy that over how many posts? I think Just A Troll needs a troll challenge for being so willfully dense.
This whole comment is almost as disgusting and patronizing as the first one, but for the record? Plenty of “ill feelings” all around, dude, and you’ve earned them. Don’t do that “oh look at me, trying to cleverly manipulate the way the conversation unfolds” thing again.
RE: Cassandrasays
Furthermore, the idea he espouses, “Fear that sex stops is clearly an explanation,” ISN’T ACTUALLY TRUE. Our grandfather certainly didn’t assault the Kid because he was worried about sex stopping; we were his grandkid! And my rapist obviously wasn’t afraid of sex stopping, because he was raping us regularly. THEY HAD NOTHING TO FEAR, because they knew they could force sexual contact more or less whenever they wanted!
They weren’t raping us because they were afraid. They were raping us because they WEREN’T. They knew that nothing would happen to them, nobody would punish them, and they probably thought it was just awesome. They did it because they felt entitled to treat us like meat. They felt they had a right to our bodies, to our genitals, and that we didn’t have a right to stop them. And the worst part? PEOPLE AROUND US AGREED WITH THEM.
Even calling it an explanation, not an excuse, gives rapists more slack than I am willing to give them.
Fear that if the feminist framing of what counts as rape becomes generally accepted it will be a lot harder to get away with raping people, otoh, seems to be rather common among men like this dude.
@Sparky (who said what I was thinking about Just a Troll)
I’ve been interacting with these dipshits for over a year and it still surprises me how they can ignore any topic at hand because their personal dating/sex lives supersedes everything else happening on earth. Here’s a tip, try to not your base entire world view on your personal gripes with women you want to have sex with.
OMG Falconer’s babbies are wearing Mick Aston stripes! They’re gonna be Super Archaeologists armed with the power of Cute!
[blockquote]”If India–INDIA–is a “misandrist” society to these assholes, then WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR A SOCIETY NOT TO BE MISANDRIST??? Seriously! I’m asking![/blockquote]
didn’t girlwriteswhat at one point write an essay about how afghanistan – *afghanistan*!- is a gynocentric, misandrist society? these people think even the must extreme patriarchal societies are misandry because the men still have to share some of their food with the women they legally prevent from getting their own food.
sigh blockquotes idk what even
Truth.
And moreover, if you’re kvetching and they’re all backing away, consider that the common denominator in the problem is you.
I think that mandatory Goreanism would be the only thing that would satisfy these guys. Only the sex slaves would have to manual labor and grow and harvest all the food. Then they’d finally feel like they were living in an egalitarian society.
Aitch, I’m not a terribly common regular, so if I was unclear I apologise.
I do object to the idea that men must have rape and coercion in order to have sex in marriage, or the idea of mandatory sex, which was what Just A Guy was heading towards.
I love (!) the way these guys start off arguing from the perspective that no woman will want to have sex with them, or that sex would have to be forced, or that it’s a punishment for her to have to have sex with him.
Yet somehow that’s not because of their arsehole attitude. It’s because radfems have indoctrinated women with this idea that they’re allowed to say “no.”
We’ll be wanting paid jobs next. And to be able to live autonomously.
I sure missed a doozy of a conversation. What the fuck? Ad if absconding to another thread was going to make us forget rape apologia in this one!
No need! But thank you 🙂
I think I just fell victim to Poe’s law. I’m absolutely on board with your second para, I won’t restate the hundred reasons why failing to get consent is not on and why consent at one point does not mean consent forever.
That logo in the corner, the absurdity of the main image completely distracted me from the fact this group’s symbol is a cock dragging along the ground.
@Zolnier:
Oh god, CANNOT UNSEE.
At least they didn’t try making mangina into a visual pun.