Congratulations, A Voice for Men. You are having an impact upon the world.
Or at least upon one organization in India, a truly reprehensible group called Masculinist India, which has adopted the histrionic rhetorical style, and even some of the specific arguments, advanced by AVFM and other North American Men’s Rights groups for a series of graphically challenged “masculinist” memes posted on Facebook and on the group’s web page. Masculinist India has even adopted AVFM’s preferred nomenclature, describing its members as “Men’s Human Rights Activists.” They are of course the complete opposite of “human rights” activists, campaigning instead against basic rights for women.
The influence of AVFM and other Western Men’s Rightsers can been seen again and again in Masculinist India’s posts and memes, which have all the sophistication and subtlety of Chick Tracts.
The “feminists made me a misogynist” logic of the meme above, for example, echoes the argument made in “Hate Bounces,” an influential MRA screed by MRA/MGTOW elder “Zed,” and by countless other MRAs including former AVFM Number Two John Hembling.
Other memes borrow not only the arguments of Western MRAs but recycle the same tired stock photos, like the angry woman in this meme, a favorite amongst Western MRAs.
Masculinist India’s graphics-makers are as obsessed with this “argument” as is AVFM’s Paul Elam.
And they share AVFM’s fondness for threatening rhetoric — in this case complete with violent imagery.
And while AVFM’s Elam argues that men serving on juries should vote to acquit all men charged with rape, even if they’re obviously guilty, in order to protest an allegedly “misandrist” court system, the Masculinist India crew celebrates a court decision allowing married men to rape their wives with impunity. The following meme appears on their website under the taunting headline “Know Your Role, Girls.” [TRIGGER WARNING for rape apologism, offensive imagery.]
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I don’t even want to know why they chose bloody fingers for this graphic.
This meme, meanwhile, suggests that it’s an injustice that men are not allowed to forbid their wives from wearing blue jeans.
Human rights: You’re doing it wrong.
Unfortunately, Masculinist India is not some obscure little group with no influence in the world. Its Facebook page has nearly twenty thousand “likes” — several thousand more, that is, than that of AVFM itself.
Apparently in India as well as the United States there is a market for this brand of hatred.
NOTE: Thanks to Cloudiah for bringing these memes to my attention.
Malcolm thinks that men are oppressed in India?
http://i.imgur.com/qu7mz.gif
Oppressed by women, I should say.
I thought the cartoon on the ZOMG WIMIN WANNA WEAR BLOO GENES picture was supposed to be Sexy Disney’s Pocahontas, but the only elements that are similar are the tattoo (which is reversed from Pocahontas) and the fringe, which is a trope in itself.
Also, giant maples. More syrup for everyone!
@LBT:
http://media.tumblr.com/48a6eb8bea0a70260fa450908b93a8b3/tumblr_inline_mfcopaSUNm1rwq4a3.gif
That’s really great! I’m glad to hear you’re doing better. I hope it all ends up in a better place for you.
I don’t have cute animals. Have some babbies:
http://imgur.com/15Yi0LC
http://imgur.com/9Frptbk
@Sam, @Kittehs — I always thought palm-out V Fingers stood for victory, while knuckles-out V Fingers meant Vuck Off, but all the blood renders the distinction in this case moot and the discussion would be better at another time, so that’s all I’ll say.
Oh wow, I didn’t think they’d come out that big. Is there some way to decrease the size next time?
The babies look so sassy!
*was going to say something relevant but-* OMG CUTE BABIES. Falconer, your babies are so cute! *wants one of her very own one day*
Ahem. I was distracted from the horror and the trolls by the cute, thank you for that.
I’m sorry, I can’t decide between horror and just being incredulous. Men in *India* think that they’re oppressed. In India. And Abuse Threat Troll over there thinks that this is pushback. Right. Because in a country where you can rape your wife legally men are being oppressed by women. OH NO WOMEN MIGHT THINK THEY HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS EVERYONE PANIC!
I’m going to look at the baby pics again and see if my eyes unroll to get a better view.
Testing:
http://i.imgur.com/15Yi0LC.jpg
RE: Cranthom Roberts
But this is what radical feminism has wrought
IN INDIA???? You’re the one claiming we’re reading our own societal beliefs into Indian culture, and yet you’re claiming “radical feminism” is a global phenomenon? Do you have any evidence for this claim?
there will be excesses that are not pretty or kind.
What a wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed way to say, “they’ll say rape is okay.” Seriously, that was pathetic. I’m embarrassed for you. Can you give a counter-example of radical feminists saying that men should be raped? You seem so sure that feminism has gone so far, it should be no trouble at all to actually back up the shit you’re saying.
that is what happens when men get pushed hard, and dumped upon, not just by women but by the society and legal system of misandry they have created.
Here, buddy, let me tell you a story. I’m a man. I got raped multiple times throughout my adolescence, and it was covered up and blamed on me. This has caused me a certain amount of grief and pain, which I’m sure doesn’t surprise you. Also, all the people who raped or threatened me with it? Men.
And yet, despite being used as a human fleshtoy as a kid, I have managed not to hate, violently attack, or advocate rape upon anyone else. So your argument doesn’t hold water. I’m not a fucking saint; I’m just a guy, and I find your excusing this behavior reprehensible.
RE: malcolm johnston
men being encouraged to express their thoughts freely without fear of being silenced.
Seriously, dude? You’re calling advocacy of rape as free expression of thought? Please. Go fuck a cactus.
RE: Falconer
Babies! Happy babies! 😀
Also, if there are soooo many radical feminists in India, name them. Please, I’d love to hear about them.
@Falconer
Apparently you need to link to the image directly for it to resize properly. Either right click on the picture on the imgur page to copy the image address, or use the “Direct Link (email & IM)” link from your image gallery.
Holy shit. There are actually trolls defending this vile bullshit.
But ZOMG CUTE TWIN BABIES IN COLORFUL CROCHET CARDIGANS! Thank you for sharing, Falconer. Your babies are getting big! How old are they now?
They’re MRAs, sparky. They’ll defend to the death any reprehensible thing they say, but never let us forget Valerie Solanas or Andrea Dworkin.
And one day, I hope they all get hit with a big ol’ dose of awareness and see how horrible that actually is. Not holding my breath, but that would really be great.
This is sadness-inducing. Let’s see, I think I got some cute here somewhere:
Kittens in coffe cups
Baby dolphin
Baby pandas sleeping in a crib
@Myoo: Ah, okay, I’m using the wrong link. Thanks!
@sparky: They are 19 months today. And while I can’t wait to see how they’re going to develop next, I really miss the days when they were tiny little cooing babies in swaddled packages.
I think my favorite thing they did when they were tiny was try to suckle everything. I had to watch my fingers, or they would be caught in a viselike grip and drawn inexorably gum-wards. That stopped being fun once the first tooth broke through, but the memory still makes me laugh.
As for where they are now, they’re totally talking, it’s just that I can’t understand most of their words. Our shared vocabulary is growing by the day, though.
That baby dolphin is SO TINY.
I ask once again, my voice a pleading cry in the wilderness…
If India–INDIA–is a “misandrist” society to these assholes, then WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR A SOCIETY NOT TO BE MISANDRIST??? Seriously! I’m asking!
I kind of went from “pleading cry in the wilderness” to “incredulous shout in a blog comments section” there.
RE: Falconer
How can your tinies be so old now? It just seems like yesterday, you were posting here about them being born!
I know, right? It’s just all flown by!
SQUEE!!!!! BAIBAYZ!!!!!!! Really cute babies, too! 🙂
WHERE IS ALL THE TIME GOING. I FEEL OLD.
Thanks, grumpyoldnurse!
@karalora
Saudi Arabia is almost good enough, only they want porn and booze.
Re: marital rape, it is indeed absolutely horrendous that any guy would think that it’s okay to force his wife to have sex with him at all times. All sexual activity should be based on consent. However, if the sex does stop in a marriage, what’s a guy to do? Maybe this means that a monogamous marriage does not really suit guys with higher sex drive. I do sincerely hope that feminist ideals and high sex drive aren’t mutually exclusive.
Why are you anti male that you think men will automatically rape their spouses if said spouse does not want to have sex?
RE: Just A Guy
However, if the sex does stop in a marriage, what’s a guy to do?
…are you serious? You’re serious. I don’t know whether I feel sorry for you or what.
First of all: I know some self-identified hypersexual women. Their boyfriends can’t keep up with them. This is not a male-only problem.
Second: you talk about it. Hopefully, soon into the relationships. If your relationship is open, outside relationships are an option (though I would consider it really gross to bring it up purely because of sexual disparity). If not, there are other things. Hubby is more sexual than me, and we find ways to express our sexuality in ways that are mutually satisfying. Hubby can back off, masturbate, I can decide I’m interested in sex with him that doesn’t focus on me or my body… there are lots of options.
And if the incompatibility gets too much, you break up! You don’t rape, you don’t coerce, you don’t cheat, you don’t whine. You end the relationship and move on like a goddamn adult.
Feminist ideals and high sex drive are totally mutually inclusive. Sex-positive feminism, it’s a thing. And just because you have a high libido doesn’t mean it should be assuaged at all times. If you can’t handle that, then find people with similar tastes and desires!