So here’s a new perspective on the whole “should we allow women to take over the tech industry or any other industry” question, courtesy of the Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology blog. Yes, women, if you want to run a business or an industry you apparently have to check with the dudes at the Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology blog first.
In a post titled “Why We Don’t Want Women Taking Over Tech Or Any Other Industry,” the ironically named “Reality forever” explains that women shouldn’t be allowed to run anything because, well, women are terrible and apparently love making everyone go to meetings:
[M]en are afraid of women in the workplace because all they bring is misery, low morale, lawsuits based on false accusations, insanity in general, never ending useless meetings and all around stupidity and dysfunction and low productivity.
Also, cats:
Even women hate working with other women. Put several cats in a small cage together and you’ll get the picture.
Huh. As sensible as Reality forever’s argument has been so far, I have a couple of slight objections to make here. Human women are not, to the best of my knowledge, cats.
Also, I’m pretty sure the issue here isn’t the cats so much as the whole small cage thing. Basically, if you put any animal – or person – in a small cage they’re going to be a bit grouchy, particularly if you stuff another couple of animals or people in there with them.
I mean, your uncle Ted might be the most affable fellow in the world, but if you throw him in a tiny cage with, say, your other uncle Brian, there’s going to be some friction. Toss in some cats, or perhaps a hyena or two, and you’re really asking for trouble.
Let’s let Reality forever continue, just in case his argument gets better.
But we can all give a sigh of relief because women will NEVER dominate any industry and there are specific reasons why. The reasons are contained in female nature. Any female above admin in any corporate office can barely even show up for work on any consistent basis.
I think he’s on to something. I sometimes see women walking around the streets in the middle of the day. They probably left to go to work in the morning but just got lost. Or distracted by a shoe sale. Women love shoes, amirite fellas high five.
I know this sounds insane, but we [have] thousands of clients and the vast majority of the companies wherein we have female contacts are rarely ever in. Many have taken off for a year at a tine.
You may not realize it, fellas, but women can just wander off on a break and not come back for a year.
It’s like this well hidden, but giant secret that no one talks about and I don’t think a lot of people are even aware of because women are so stealth at covering up their deviance and so many people will cover for them.
It’s true. If you look closely at many of the so-called women who work in your office you will discover that a lot of them are actually mannequins, carefully disguised to look like your female co-workers – who have probably been sitting on a tropical beach somewhere eating bon bons for the last 8 months with no one suspecting a thing.
In fact I’ve been trying to find other people who have seen this who deal with a large number of companies like I do.
They take off huge chunks of time- months even a year at a time then refuse to be at work before 11am and are gone by 2pm and never work on mon. or fri. then suddenly quits after a short time. Forever. Not just that job- all work completely.
It’s the dirty secret of the corporate world: most full-time women employees work only 12 hours a week, if that.
Women really only want to work part time if at all – they just like the idea of work and a status title and do not want to make any commitment to anything or anyone- especially women now.
It’s a little-known fact that Sheryl Sandberg’s official title at Facebook is “Pretty Princess of Operations” and that she only works three hours a week.
That is their flaky nature. And yes, they are ALL like that- 98% of them. And they’re lazy and don’t want to ever try harder or get out of their comfort zone or take risks. Women are their own worst enemies.
Oh, don’t be modest, Reality forever. People like you are their worst enemies.
In the comments, Reality forever expands upon his thesis.
I … work for a telecom and I’m in sales – so we have clients in virtually ALL industries and/or go to pitch potential clients in all industries. And I’ve been at it for 6 years total and with any females who have an actual title like IT Manager, VP or any kind of administrative anything, they are extremely clever at barely putting in any hours – I know because it’s my job (unfortunately) to have to deal with so many of them on a daily basis and communicate with them.
They’re extremely flaky, moody, never want any responsibilities at all to make any decisions, barely ever come into work, are as useless pedals on a wheelchair, spiteful, condescending, vindictive- the most horrible people I have ever had to deal with have all been women. And the vast majority of them are all the same in their patterns.
They’re overemotional about everything so they come off even creepy a lot of the time! With the men, it’s about 2-5% of them are jerks, flip that for women to about 2-5% of them are decent. That’s just been my experience dealing with all these women in virtually every industry there is.
And they are always just… OUT. Whether it’s ‘not in yet’ ‘already left for the day.’ Not in ‘today.’ ‘Out till next week.’ If I had 25 cents for every time I’ve heard ‘she’ is ‘out’ I would be wealthy, and no, they’re not just trying to avoid me and lying- they’ll actually be out, you can hear the sincerity in the voice of whoever’s telling me this that day. …
And I would expect it’s their being allergic to work that has kept them from really achieving anything across the board. And it’s ironically BECAUSE of Feminism that made them this way- everyone needs to make special ‘concessions’ for them and bend to them, not them needing to bend to fit in and join the work flow. …
Feminism, everything women are up to now, all of it, is mostly just a fraud and illusion and I’m telling you this thing of women being OUT all the time is real! Go to any company website in any industry, go to the staff directory, or go to Data.com connect and look up the staff directory for any company, then call and ask for any of the females above admin on that list and they will just happen to be out that day!
And it’ll be like Tuesday at 11am. It’s this phenomenon that I’ve been trying to tell people about for years, but they just don’t believe me or don’t understand what I’m talking about.
Huh. It must be true. Because I can’t think of any other reason women would want to avoid taking a call from you.
Geez. Did it ever occur to this guy that when someone is “out” of their office, they might be “out” doing… WORK?! Like going to meetings (oh wait I forgot all meetings are evil)? Relaying information to people? Hell, if I called someone’s office and was told they were “out for the week” my first thought would be that they were on a business trip, not that they had figured out some magical way to never work at all.
Chaos Engineer says – Sample passage: “If a man sees a flyer that provokes a jolting thought where he leasts expects it, he will remember it for a long time to come. Those of us who have studied and practiced Neuro-Linguisting Programming (NLP) will recognize this as a very strong anchor, and thus ensure that he will remember the seed planted in his mind in many future instances of standing in front of a urinal.”
Oh dang, this NLP thing sounds kind interesting. I wonder what I can learn about it with even an ounce of effort.
From Wikipedia – The balance of scientific evidence reveals NLP to be a largely discredited pseudoscience. Scientific reviews show it contains numerous factual errors,[14][16] and fails to produce the results asserted by proponents.[17][18]
Oh.
Actually the whole thing of people being unwelcoming or just ignoring newcomers is so common. It’s put me off things from women’s groups to knitting circles before now.
@kittehserf: I’m aware, but I guess I’m speculating on why it happens specifically in the atheism movement. I’ve seen it with gamers and comicbook fans too – but the logic there differs from something like atheism. With an artistic medium, those resistant to change or inclusiveness tend to justify that sentiment by claiming it will somehow ruin what they love. With something more philosophical like atheism, the point of contention seems to come from which particular ideological stances to take within it.
I was thinking aloud and much more generally, saintnick (I think the technical term is waffling). 🙂
The philosophical part you mentioned always strikes me with the Atheist Dudebro set. It’s like they can see themselves as victims of religion (which may be the case for many) and that makes religion The Enemy. But things that don’t harm them directly – racism, misogyny, homophobia for instance – they don’t give a shit about. It’s unwitting privilege blindness at best and Only White Straight Dudes Are Human at worst, in my reading. Other people’s problems aren’t nearly as terrible or even real, or it’s the natural way of things for men to be in control and the laydeeez at home making sandwiches or otherwise servicing them. Shiteaters like Dawkins aren’t remotely interested in changing the status quo except where they think it hurts or blocks them.
I don’t see how you can profess to care about secularism and then not want to talk about things like misogyny and homophobia. So much of the theocratic agenda involves subjugating women and LGBTQ people.
@grumpyoldnurse – DSN was the beginning of my Alexander Siddig crush. I still think he’s gorgeous. His character in “Syriana” was sweet, too.
@kittehserf – Ohai! Yeah. Fancy anyone else, anywhere, ever, making John Winston Fucking Howard look less than demonic? It’s very strange. Like the sort of unreality one had when Americans first started saying that compared to Bush Jnr, Bush Snr. was good.
It’s bad enough that the LNP make Menzies look like a commie. But this mob are flat out trying to import the kind of values that Wendy Davis stood in Texas trying to filibuster. What century are we in, again?
As for the atheist thing… Dawkins, Gillette, Harris… Yeah. No. After I walked away from christendom I tried atheism, but guys like that kind of shut it down for me. I’ve reverted to the term Witch. There’s no other word in the English language for a woman of independent philosophy. It has the advantage of putting the wind up the fundies on both sides.
And on that note, as I’ve said on G+ (I’m Jane Satan Rakali over there, for those who bother) Nanna’s on the piss tonight so look out.
I don’t know if you’re a Game of Thrones and/or A Song of Ice and Fire fan but he will be playing Doran Martell in season 5 of GoT airing next spring.
@weirwoodtreehugger – I have avoided GoT because of a, timesink and b, GRRM’s reputation for not being terribly sensitive about female characters. In a comic book store, of all places, the male owners did mention him to me with the caveat that he was given to a fairly unpleasant approach to sexual violence against women.
WRT your comment about secularism and theocracy, I’ve turned this over in my head more than once. What I ended up coming back to was that the private/religious school upbringing, generally reserved for offspring of the Upper and upper middle class, tended to be religious in nature. Even when its products reject the religious aspect, they’re still living with quite some privilege, in social terms. Most of them lack the tools or motivation to adequately analyse that.
Syburi, I keep thinking what an out-and-out leftie Pig-Iron Bob was compared with the current LNP. They really are the Republicans lite.
You might like this meme. (I say “like” with the rider that it has both Howard and Abbott in it, so there’s a fair bit of “screaming in horror” mixed in there.)
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My only brush with organised atheism, for want of a better term, was briefly subscribing to the Australian Sceptics’ magazine. Even before my beliefs changed to what they are now (believe in a creator spirit, completely uninterested in more details, much more involved with the afterlife, definitely not a capital-S Spiritualist) I was turned off by the smugness and mean-spiritedness I saw in it. Nothing would have persuaded me to buy any of the Four Horseshits’ stuff. Self-congratulatory dudes who would tell me what to think, they’re ten a penny.
Oh, he says he’s in Sales, and lets’ say I’m an IT Manager (which I have been for over a decade). I’m supposed to drop everything and talk to a Sales guy? And if I’m an IT Director or above, I’m sure my admin assistant will know what to say to make him back off, at least for today.
Yeah, because everytime a person is out of their office, they are out at starbucks. they are never out for work related things. Never.
@scarlettpipstrelle – No, clearly you’re either not there, or lying, or a horrible lying women feminazi type who endeavours to undermine civilisation as we know it.
@kittehserf – Ahem. Yes. Excuse me while I quietly vomit after viewing the meme, but yes. Have you read “God under Howard” by Marion Maddox? That, together with “The new puritans” By Dr. Muriel Porter, are a really, really good look into how US style religious politics was imported to Australia.
I spent 9 1/2 years studying theology. 5 years with a Methodist mob that embraced all the conservative stuff like Hillsong. 4 1/2 at Melbourne Uni. I got all the tradition and then all the explanation of why and how the tradition was bullshit. I was about 40 when I walked away from christendom. I’ve continued the socio-political analysis that the Melbourne crew trained me for.
It annoys the fundies no end that a disabled, educated grandma Witch takes them on over shit like this. It’s the only thing I live for, really. Well, that and the fantasy that humanity might just get it right. In which case all my fantasies about pos-net housing, composting hemp based bio-plastics and global resource management may yet be of some use.
You can see why I’m crazy cat lady. Living in Sharman Stone’s electorate, no less.
According to oh-so-smart Dawkins, that happened because estrogen and biotruths.
Silly me. I clicked on the link to read the original. The grammar – it hurts! Aaah!
Seriously, this fellow can’t write worth beans.
As for logic, well, maybe if he could think clearly, he’d be able to construct a decent sentence, as well. Who knows?
“Any female above admin in any corporate office can barely even show up for work on any consistent basis.”
Huh? Why would admins have better attendance than any woman… sorry, any feeeemale, above them? That makes no sense.
“the vast majority of the companies wherein we have female contacts are rarely ever in. ”
This actually says that the company, itself, which has females with whom the author is acquainted, is rarely in. So, the company, itself, is out, because the author knows a feeeeemale who works there.
Agh.
FFFEEEEEEEEEMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAALLLLLLEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS
“They take off huge chunks of time- months even a year at a time then refuse to be at work before 11am and are gone by 2pm and never work on mon. or fri. then suddenly quits after a short time. Forever. Not just that job- all work completely.”
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA gasp! WHEEEZE! Hahahaha.
Really? Wow, because in my old job, we had several women on bed rest with their risky pregnancies, and they just took their laptops to bed with them, and worked away, for as long as they were allowed to work. Then there was the mother who worked all holidays, because the project simply had to be done, and that was all there was to it. Meanwhile, the men on her project took the holidays off. Go figure.
And the grammar here is still as bad as that awful first paragraph-run-on-sentence.
I know that I am just pretending to be at work right now. It may look like I am in the office, typing at my computer, but this is an illusion brought about with dark lady magicks. I am actually at home in bed covered in cats and chocolate and misandry, menstruating continually because feeeeeeemale biology.
It’s a pretty sweet gig amirite ladies?
“And yes, they are ALL like that- 98% of them. ”
All does not equal 98%. 98% equals 98%. 100% equals ALL.
Honestly, you’d think a mathematically smart STEM dude like the author would know such a basic STEM-type fact.
And yet, my lady-brain can tell the difference between 100% and 98%. Wow.
From the comments: “They don’t like to work late. They don’t take initiative. They think “I tried” is a legitimate excuse to go home at 5 and blow an important deadline when management f***ed up and the men are working 70 hour weeks to pull it off. They’re not team players unless they think you’re an alpha male. Basically, warm bodies. But they are very good at showing up on time and staying until close of business. In many cases, that’s ALL they’re good at.”
Yeah, tell that to my co-worker who literally worked herself until she collapsed from exhaustion, right at her desk, and had to be taken to the emergency room, because she passed out and hit her head. 70 hour weeks? HA! Child’s play compared to the time some women I know put in.
I could name names, but they wouldn’t accept it as proof. They’d just say, “Anecdotes are not proof.” Pot, meet kettle.
Bleh. I’m done reading those comments.
OK, having been in charge of scheduling for many years, I can say with surety that “she’s out,” doesn’t mean she’s not working. It means she’s in meetings, or off-campus training, or on a business trip. He’s talking about people at VP level? VPs, regardless of their gender, are “out” more than they are “in,” because they have to do so much traveling for corporate affairs, training (both being trained and doing the training), setting up satellite offices, meeting with clients, checking out on-site vendors, etc., and so forth, et. al.
Seriously, my old boss wasn’t even VP level, and I had to spend half my time juggling his schedule. He would have about 1 hour in his office per day, on average. The rest of the time, he was “out,” in meetings.
Furthermore, an admin won’t tell you WHERE the person is out. It’s simply “out,” without an explanation, because you don’t need to know! And there are privacy issues!
He’s just a vendor. Does he really think he’d have priority, so the admin would say, “Hold on, I’ll go get him out of that meeting with the CEO?” I don’t think so. Or “Hold on, I’ll call his cell phone. It’s only 9 pm where he is right now, so he’s probably still awake.” I don’t think so.
This guy is so clueless, and so vain to think he’s that important.
ROFL and the oh-so-smart Harris, too!
I tell ya tho’, if it were true, I’d still take where I am now over being in a movement that all too often needs “bowel” put on the front of it, same as any other movement full of up-themselves misogynists. Sometimes I think the main differences between Dawkins and Harris and MRAs is that the former construct their sentences better and the latter are occasionally more honest about despising women.
Heeyyyy, Michelle! You feeling better now?
@Lady Mondegreen
This is sooooo true! When I was an admin, it was often my job to field the calls my boss wanted to avoid. And, yeah, I sounded sincere. That was my JOB, to sound sincere. I was really good at brushing off vendors.
Dude. They’re avoiding you because they don’t want to waste their precious time listening to a sales pitch for something they already know they don’t want. Or they don’t want it from YOU.
The author uses “reality” in his name, but he has no grasp on reality, does he?