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Baffling MRA Meme of the Day: "Feminism creates equality like McDonald’s solves world hunger."

 

Actual "meme" found on the A Voice for Men Forums
Actual “meme” found on the A Voice for Men Forums

I found this “meme” on the A Voice for Men Forums, and it was too special not to share.

The AVFM “Graphics and Art” forum is kind of a gold mine for baffling and terrible “memes,” terribly drawn comics, and “graphics” that aren’t really graphics at all — like, for example, these graphically challenged entries:

O1wDDYovtywDmSDude, if you’re going to try to pass off a giant mess of words as a “graphic,” you could at least take ten seconds to proofread your, er, work.

This similarly verbose entry at least technically qualifies as a comic. The speakers are supposed to represent AVFM’s “Honey Badgers” facing off against some eeeevil feminists.

Vaginal_Hubris

Some contributors to the “graphics” forum don’t even bother to make graphics themselves, hoping that others will be inspired to transform their ideas into brilliant works of art.

Alas, no one there has yet managed to turn this idea into a comic:

Cartoon idea – “the inevitable fate of Male Feminists”

Here’s my idea for a new cartoon (sorry, but I can’t draw for shit):

So you’ve got Michael Kimmel, PZ Myers, and David Futrelle, standing around talking together, each depicted with a human head on a praying mantis’s body. And the Kimmel mantis is saying something like, “Gosh, I think we’ve finally proven how valuable we are to the movement [Feminism]”.

You also notice a human head tucked in the corner of the room they’re standing in – it’s Hugo Schwyzer, with X’s drawn over his eyes.

And as they’re talking, you see another head roll in from the hallway, through an open door behind them. This time it’s Charles Clymer, and he appears to be freshly decapitated.

I would draw this myself, but, you know, I haven’t quite perfected my Michael Kimmel caricature.

 

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volt
volt
7 years ago

If feminism creates equality like McDonalds solves world hunger, then AVfM creates equality like leaving a negative review of McDonalds on Yelp solves world hunger.

Leisha Young
Leisha Young
7 years ago

Oh! It’s just so cringe-worthy!

Do they understand the concepts of wit and irony?

Zolnier
Zolnier
7 years ago

Hmm I wonder if this sort of thing can be recreated: Feminism erodes the “patriarchy” like time tables cure old age?

*Patriarchy put in brackets because I imagine that’s what they’d do*

phasma
phasma
7 years ago

I *think* the McDonalds one is trying to say that feminists are full of shit because they advocate for individual instances of helping particular women but don’t truly care about the vast majority of women

It seems you’re overthinking it way too much. The thing is, MRAs are neither creative nor particularly competent, so most of the time they just recycle their old talking points over and over again. In this case it’s restatement of this:

MOVEMENT THAT CLAIMS WOMEN WHO ARE THE MOST PRIVILEDGED SECTION OF OUR SOCITY ARE OPPRESSED

I.e. those who “really” suffer from hunger have little use of McDonald’s, which is really just another variation on WATM theme.

Also, I assume the red-haired feminist in the cartoon is supposed to be Rebecca Watson

Yeah, the first strawminist is definitely her. It’s also such an obvious (and somewhat cliché) attempt at a dig at Elevatorgate…

Kootiepatra
Kootiepatra
7 years ago

Will a feminist let you feel comfortable being yourself?

Okay, firstly, I’m going to just ignore that this “graphic” is originally a list to determine if you are being abused by your romantic partner, which is totally, completely, and in every way UNLIKE dealing with people in society who disagree with your ideology.

Anyways.

I have had this same conversation with a number of guy friends — all good guys whom I dearly love: Someone (usually a superior at work) talked to them about changing their behavior. Stuff like, “Hey, don’t joke around so much during meetings”; or “Hey, it’s written all over your face that you don’t want to be here today, so please try to act more professional”; or “Hey, several employees are reading you as being angry with them all the time; how can we try to work on that?”

Then said guy friend comes to me, upset, because he isn’t allowed to be himself at work. He isn’t allowed to express his personality. He believes he’s being told to shut up and go away. And I’ve had to try and explain to him, “Um, but having to curb certain behaviors in certain contexts does not equal having to forfeit an important part of who you are.”

I’m dealing with a small sample size, of course, but I’ve never had this conversation with a woman. I’ve been wondering if this is tied to patriarchal stuff, e.g., “What do you mean *I* have to change to accommodate *other people*? I thought other people are supposed to change to accommodate me.”

Of course, this is clearly an entitlement issue when it comes to certain men insisting on their right to make hateful jokes and threats without facing social consequences. But it seems to me that it might be interlaced with an overall privileged idea that any social boundaries at all = a grievous affront to one’s identity.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

Maybe they’re trying to say feminsisimmm and McDonald’s both make everyone fat?

Or that phesmsmm allows women to demand Happy Meal toys from the Drive Thru of Life? While men are the ones risking their lives slaving for minimum wage working with dangerous equipment, such as the deep fryer and the shake machine?

…I have no idea. In the meantime, I’ll join in the hearty applause for Sir Bodsworth and leocigale.

magnesium
magnesium
7 years ago

(sorry, but I can’t draw for shit)

That certainly didn’t slow anybody else down. You know, I think the reason these guy suck so bad at art is actually a combination of a complete lack of empathy, and a belief that every one else is capable of reading their minds. Come to think of it, that also sort of explains the friend zone. And a lot of the general paranoia.

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

@volt
nicely said!

@leocigale and Bodsworth
You’re both awesome

Luzbelitx
7 years ago

Memes with a wall of text = Memesplaining?

Kootiepatra
Kootiepatra
7 years ago

@Luzbelitx: Or perhaps mansplemeing?

bartoncm
7 years ago

Yikes! …

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

A 15-second search reveals instances of Ronald McDonald House donating to feedamerica.org, and various McDonald’s franchises sponsoring food banks. I know that a number of McDonald’s franchises in Louisville KY donate to Dare to Care/Second Harvest, which (among other things) takes food that is still good but cannot be sold in stores or restaurants for whatever reason, and makes use of it in soup kitchens and food banks.

Soooo … actually McDonald’s does care about hunger, and that meme is, unintentionally, almost accurate.

sunnysombrera
7 years ago

All this talk of McDonald’s is making me hungry. I’m going to treat myself to a double cheeseburger for lunch now. Thanks for the suggestion MRAs! I deserve it because I’ve been working hard lately…I mean because I have a vagina.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

MRAs understand feminism the way creationists understand evolution.

Tessa
Tessa
7 years ago

David:

Kav P, the “joke” in that imaginary comic is that male feminists are like male praying mantises, in that the evil female feminsts/mantises will eventually cut off all of our heads once they’re done having sex with us, I guess.

Often it’s while mating. Not just once they’re done. Just sayin’. So maybe it’s good that the women feminists never actually have teh sex with the male feminists (since we all only like alpha dudes…)

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
7 years ago

Soooo … actually McDonald’s does care about hunger, and that meme is, unintentionally, almost accurate

In other words, McDonald’s does more activism than A Voice for Men.

But then Omni Consumer Products, The Umbrella Corporation, and any dozen other fictional evil corporations do activism than A Voice for Men.

NonServiam
7 years ago

Who told them about my golden uterus and my goddess-like control of the sunrise?! I mean, ffs, I really don’t need the press attention.

brooked
7 years ago

I want a long running comic stop featuring Rico and Carl’s many adventures.

The ‘feminisim’ mess of words is a hell of a thing. I know MRAs constantly conflate feminists, women in general, proponents of traditional gender roles and female evil doers, but this one takes it to new heights.

Does a feminist respect your wishes if you want to end the relationship? NO.

How does something think this up?

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

(sorry, but I can’t draw for shit)

I’m surprised they haven’t whined about feminists drawing their cartoons for them. Since they expect us to do their activism why wouldn’t they expect us to make their graphics too?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

How does something think this up?

It’s a (slightly) modified list of warning signs that you’re in an abusive relationship. It’s pretty clear that someone took the wrong message from the recent media coverage on the subject of IPV. This is a man going his own way, only he can’t because feminists won’t let him, by … ??? Read the list from the perspective a dude who thinks feminism is in some way forcing him to think constantly about women and write constantly about feminists on the internet. He thinks he’s in an intimate relationship with feminism and can’t get out.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
7 years ago

I was watching a video that a man ate nothing but mcdonalds for almost a month. He started to feel depressed and very sick. He went to the hospital and almost died. But he’s fine now.

Golden uterus reminds me of that one guy who calls his sperm ‘liquid gold’ seriously these Mras just replaced what they say and placed ‘feminists’ in them. “Nope, we didn’t say this feminists did!”

Only the great goddess Amaterasu from Okami can make the sun rise.

Jarred H
7 years ago

He thinks he’s in an intimate relationship with feminism and can’t get out.

Because if he tries to leave, feminism will….?

lkeke35
lkeke35
7 years ago

I think it would help if the memes themselves didn’t sound quite so bitter or butthurt.

Ha,ha!, who am i kidding?
Nah, that wouldn’t help at all.

GrumpyOldMan
7 years ago

The following statement is the basis for all MRA anti-feminist “thought” (my apologies for misusing the word, but I couldn’t think of an acceptable alternative):

Feminism teaches woman that they have other roles in life besides making my boner happy, and that some of them even are much more important and valuable than my boner. I can’t think of a more monstrous, thoroughly evil idea than that.

Everything else they say on the subject of feminism derives from that defining principle.

(My apologies, also, for using relatively decent grammar, spelling, and punctuation, but I was an English major and I can’t help myself.)

Fred_the_Dog
7 years ago

Jarred, feminism will laugh at him, of course!

Jarred H
7 years ago

Fred_the_Dog: Oh yes, I forgot. The horror!

Fred_the_Dog
7 years ago

I know, right?

vaiyt
7 years ago

@GrumpOldMan

I can make it even more succint.

Una mujer lo está diciendo? Soy contra!

grumpycatisagirl
7 years ago

I’ve been wondering if this is tied to patriarchal stuff, e.g., “What do you mean *I* have to change to accommodate *other people*? I thought other people are supposed to change to accommodate me.”

I think so . . . I was once in the presence of a man (in a group setting) who said that he thought the idea of men having to watch what they say because it might make some women feel uncomfortable was the most sexist thing at all.

And I wanted to reply, “if that’s the most sexist thing of all to you, I would like to trade places with you for just one day.”

But I didn’t say that . . .

. . . because I was afraid of making him uncomfortable.

🙁

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

But I didn’t say that . . .

. . . because I was afraid of making him uncomfortable.
🙁

Legit. But I do have to say that if you are able to get past that, it opens the way to some entertainment. Last year a guy told me to stfu because I was annoying him, and I laughed and told him I didn’t care. This was in-person, mind you. He just shut down completely; I reckon nobody had ever told him before that taking care of his feelings just wasn’t a priority, and he didn’t know how to react. I would have paid money to see that, but I got it for free!

grumpycatisagirl
7 years ago

Yeah, I regret not having said what I wanted to say.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Come, join us in the “don’t give a crap about some random guy’s delicate feelings” club. It’s much more fun here, I promise.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

(For bonus fun, laugh at a PUA when they’re attempting game on you. They really don’t like it.)

lkeke35
lkeke35
7 years ago

AAHhh, that sounds very much like something Amy Poehler once said to Jimmy Fallon in a writer’s meeting once. I think she was swearing or something and he remarked about how he didn’t like that and she told bluntly told him that she didn’t care what he liked. She was not nice about it. Rumor has it that he was pretty stunned by that and shut up.

It does occur to me that one of the reason Black women get vilified by White men as being too masculine is that we are not nice, submissive or demure. We’re too loud, too assertive.
One of our standing principles in the Black community is that: “A Closed Mouth Does Not Get Fed”. For us, there’s no benefit to being nice just to be Nice.(Courtesy is very different from Nice.)

Quite frankly I wish more White women would cut that shit out too. I love it when White women aren’t Nice. (As long as they can do it safely. In some situations you may have no choice but to be Nice.)

Aitch
Aitch
7 years ago

At least the horribly designed memes gave rise to some excellent mockery. !!! at leocigale’s drawing 🙂

re Kootiepatra,

I’m dealing with a small sample size, of course, but I’ve never had this conversation with a woman. I’ve been wondering if this is tied to patriarchal stuff, e.g., “What do you mean *I* have to change to accommodate *other people*? I thought other people are supposed to change to accommodate me.”

Fairly sure it is related. Doesn’t excuse bad behaviour, we don’t want patriarchy so don’t have to respect its consequences, and you’re not obligated to be polite to people who run you over. Fuck that shit.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
7 years ago

These are all so… confusing.

Don’t get me wrong, I love all the possible explanations you guys have given so far, but still. Shouldn’t these informatives be short, to the point, and, most of all, make any kind of remote sense without half an hour of head-scratching and mental gymnastics?

Seriously. “high value”? Who, besides manurespherians, ever says anything like that? Where, in the feminist idea of women being just as capable as men does the whole transphobic “my uterus is the universe” bullshit fit in? How does one get into an abusive relationship with an abstract concept? What has feminism to do with Chicken McNuggets? Feminists are not lizard people, but praying mantises? Explain, MRAs, EXPLAIN!

MRAs never stop to think that the truths they hold as self-evident are totally baffling non sequiturs to other people, do they?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Yeah, I don’t do nice as gender performance. Decent human being, sure, but coddling some guy’s delicate feelings because women scare him? No.

GrumpyOldMan
7 years ago

@vaiyt I don’t think you’re quite right — I don’t see MRAs rushing to disagree with JB.
I think the underlying assumption is that if the feminists weren’t making women aware of their worth as persons, they wouldn’t be able to figure it out for themselves. In my opinion this low opinion of women’s intelligence says a lot more about the intelligence of MRAs than of women. They can’t seem to figure out that they aren’t smart enough to fool most women.
Also, a lot of the time women have been too polite or otherwise unwilling to confront men when they say stupid things, so men have been accustomed to getting away with a lot of shit and thinking that women weren’t aware that it was shit. It’s a real shock when the find out that women were on to their games all along.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
7 years ago

(For bonus fun, laugh at a PUA when they’re attempting game on you. They really don’t like it.)

What I would give for a video of the couple of times dudes tried Game on me. I had no clue what they were up to. I remember fondly the looks of confusion (and in one guy’s case, near panic) but I’m sure it would be much more satisfying to behold now that I actually know what they were trying to accomplish.

strivingally
7 years ago

MRAs understand feminism the way creationists understand evolution.

That is beautifully put. It’s all built on the mythology they’ve created around the concept rather than the concept itself.

(For bonus fun, laugh at a PUA when they’re attempting game on you. They really don’t like it.)

That reminds me of the time I was catching up with a friend who’d moved away from town a few years ago, and she invited a mutual acquaintance. Dude was a guy who’d always been a bit abrasive and a bit socially awkward and I’d always found him a little irritating. But this night we’re at a bar and he’s really getting my hackles up for reasons I can’t put my finger on. I found out from my friend that he’d recently completed a “public speaking workshop” and reportedly gained some confidence from it … and a few minutes later it clicked. He was adopting slouched, spread-legged posture, he was being challenging/dismissive whenever I brought up a new point of discussion, whenever I tried to back something up he’d dismiss the topic and move on, he was poking at her to “try new things”…

Yup.

The rest of the night I was no longer annoyed, but trying not to laugh out loud, as this dude was trying his “Game” on a woman who was (a) completely oblivious and (b) completely uninterested in him romantically/sexually. Not sure if I actually caught him negging but then again I was having too much fun chatting with an old friend.

strivingally
7 years ago

And of course there’s always this. 😀

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pickup_artist.png

maistrechat
7 years ago

“Bringing women into contact with politics will destroy that refinement, that delicacy of character, which has been her greatest charm hitherto” – Henry Fish.

Returning to this… the library where I work has a book from the early 20th that claims to be an analysis of the debate over women’s suffrage in the U.S., presenting a totally objective perspective on both sides of the debate.

In the introduction, the author mentions that the book was his wife’s idea.

Once you get to the actual arguments, it’s pretty clear that the author is actually poking fun at arguments like the above, and the real point the book is making is that the anti-suffrage side doesn’t really have any credible arguments.

proxieme
proxieme
7 years ago

Strivingally – You beat me to it! I was going to link to the same cartoon.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

I no curr whether my interest in politics makes it harder for you to wank to the idea of my delicate, helpless, intellectually void lady nature, dudes (historical or modern).

Lee
Lee
7 years ago

What I find interesting about this is how old and tired the ideas their strawmen are based on are. I’m pretty sure they’re based on parodies of first and second-wave feminism, stuff that would have been current when my mom was in high school…I certainly remember reading joke books of that vintage and seeing similar material, though more in a “women’s lib sure is weird!” way than a modern MRA way.

Then again, the trolls around here can’t be bothered to read the comments or even the FAQ most of the time, so it doesn’t surprise me that they have no idea what’s going on outside their echo chambers.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

If these guys (and their token feeemales) are really so intellectually superior to us, why can’t they come up with better art? And why don’t they understand that brevity really is the soul of wit?

Lee
Lee
7 years ago

My theory on that is “they’re full of shit, and can’t help but spew it everywhere”. As for the art, well, maybe their art skills are stuck in middle school too?

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

MRA’s seem to be exemplars of the Dunning-Kruger effect in many cases. They’re angry. The rest follows from that, the tortured logic doesn’t register.
Not all, Elam’s no dummy. He’s not even conducting honorable dealings with his followers, much less anyone else, though.

Feminism oppresses men the same way LGBT’s oppress Christian homophobes/transphobes.
Demanding equality eliminates their right to treat us as less than fully human, you know?

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
7 years ago

Maistrechat – I have to admit that dear old Henry Fish had a point – fast forward a couple of hundred years in NZ, and the last word anyone would ever apply to Aunty Helen would be “delicate”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Clark

Aitch
Aitch
7 years ago

Maistrechat – I have to admit that dear old Henry Fish had a point – fast forward a couple of hundred years in NZ, and the last word anyone would ever apply to Aunty Helen would be “delicate”.

I don’t know Ms Clark very well, but this seems to be more a feature than a bug. People who promote interesting political ideas are rarely “delicate”. And also, it’s kinda repressive to socially pressure women to do Nice as gender performance?