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Spamming, Doxxing and Sockpuppeting: 4Channers' dirty tricks, straight from their IRC log

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[CORRECTION: See the section on sockpuppeting for a correction.]

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If you’re looking for evidence of just how carefully – and how duplicitously – the campaign of vilification and harassment now known as #GamerGate was planned, from the very beginning, there’s perhaps no better place to find it than in the chat log from the IRC channel #burgersandfries.

The channel, launched when the Zoe Quinn “scandal” first erupted in August, has served as a virtual meeting place for hundreds of 4channers trying to dig up dirt on Quinn and her supporters and spread this information/disinformation as widely as possible.

On Monday, I wrote a long post documenting a tiny portion of the misogynistic hate towards Quinn that fills the log, an almost bewilderingly enormous document of 3756 pages, in 10-point type, of overlapping IRC conversations. It will take me several more posts to even begin to report on all the nastiness that can be found inside.

Today I would like to focus on some of the dirty tricks that 4channers and others on the channel have been using in their attempts to ruin the life and careers of Quinn and her supporters, tricks that were discussed surprisingly openly.

The tricks I’ll focus on today are spamming, doxxing, and sockpuppeting – including impersonating women/people of color in order to make the #GamerGate movement seem less obviously a white male-dominated reaction to outspoken women in video games.

The quotes below can all be found easily in the log of the IRC chat using ctrl-F. IRC conversations can be hard to follow, with multiple overlapping conversations going on at the same time; in some cases I have removed some of these comments, as well as some others that seemed confusing and/or redundant, indicating all cuts with ellipses. If you have any questions about what I removed I urge you to check the original context of the quotes in the log itself.

SPAMMING

Shortly after the Zoe Quinn “scandal” broke in mid-August, the 4channers on #burgersandfries were eager to spread the dirt, real and imagined, that they had on Quinn as far and wide as possible. One of their original tactics was spamming 4chan itself with posts and graphics pushing their anti-Quinn agenda.

Indeed, some of the board members organized mass spamming campaigns to make sure that 4channers saw their messages. Here’s one of the organizers sending marching orders to potential spammers on #burgersandfries.

Aug 18 19.16.08 <hresvelgr> at 8:36 EST MAKE A NEW THREAD ABOUT IT ON /v/at 8:36 EST MAKE A NEW THREAD ABOUT IT ON /v/
Aug 18 19.16.09 <hresvelgr> at 8:36 EST MAKE A NEW THREAD ABOUT IT ON /v/at 8:36 EST MAKE A NEW THREAD ABOUT IT ON /v/
Aug 18 19.16.09 <hresvelgr> at 8:36 EST MAKE A NEW THREAD ABOUT IT ON /v/at 8:36 EST MAKE A NEW THREAD ABOUT IT ON /v/
Aug 18 19.16.10 <hresvelgr> at 8:36 EST MAKE A NEW THREAD ABOUT IT ON /v/at 8:36 EST MAKE A NEW THREAD ABOUT IT ON /v/

A few minutes later, one of his allies offered this tip to get posts past 4chan’s anti-spam filters:

Aug 18 19.20.37 <ayyylmao> MAKE SURE TO OPEN THE PIC YOU USE IN PAINT AND ADD A BLACK DOT AND SAVE IT IS NOT POSTED ALREADY

When the appointed hour arose, the spam organizers – including channel mod Cyberserker – fired the starting pistol:

Aug 18 19.36.02 <hresvelgr> 10 S
Aug 18 19.36.06 <Cyberserker> SHOWTIME
Aug 18 19.36.07 <hresvelgr> 5
Aug 18 19.36.08 <hresvelgr> 4
Aug 18 19.36.08 <hresvelgr> 3
Aug 18 19.36.09 <hresvelgr> 2
Aug 18 19.36.10 <hresvelgr> 1
Aug 18 19.36.11 <hresvelgr> GO
Aug 18 19.36.11 <ayyylmao> POST POST POST POST POST POST POST POST POST POST POST POST POST
Aug 18 19.36.15 <goyim> POST!
Aug 18 19.36.23 <goyim> DID IT!!!! :DDDD
Aug 18 19.36.31  <Five-Guys> HERE WE GO FUCKERS#

A few moments later, the spammers happily announced that they’d succeeded:

Aug 18 19.36.50 <hresvelgr> ITS HAPPENING
Aug 18 19.36.52 <Carsh> Great boardwipe
Aug 18 19.36.53 <goyim> POST MORE!
Aug 18 19.36.57 <hresvelgr> POST THE INFO IN OTHER LARGE THREADS
Aug 18 19.36.57 <Bem> that was terrible
Aug 18 19.36.59 <JCTheDenthog> POST SUCCESSFUL BITCHES
Aug 18 19.37.02 <hresvelgr> POST INFO IN OTHER LARGE THREADS
Aug 18 19.37.04  <anoonynus> someone screenshoit it ll
Aug 18 19.37.08 <nullspace> epic win :^)
Aug 18 19.37.15 <Xempa> it happened
Aug 18 19.37.20 <synack> it’s over, we’ve won

Shortly afterwards, the spammers talked about expanding the campaign to other social media platforms:

Aug 18 20.04.57 <goyim> Do we go to facebook?
Aug 18 20.05.01 <goyim> Do we go to twitter? …
Aug 18 20.05.05  <goyim> …tumblr? …
Aug 18 20.05.14 <anonynous> Tumblr and Twitter need to be spammed hard
Aug 18 20.05.17 <VidyaBro> it’s already on tumblr, goyim

When many of their spam posts on 4chan were removed by mods, they settled in for the long haul:

Aug 18 20.26.17 <Roberts[OPEC]> I guess we have to continually spam threads?
Aug 18 20.26.33 <Roberts[OPEC]> ugh

Recognizing that if they too blatantly mentioned Quinn their threads would be deleted as spam, they talked about ways to get past the mods:

Aug 18 20.26.37 <hamburgerhelper> so if you want to keep spamming you have to obfuscate

I’ll have more on their attempts to publicize the charges against Quinn — as well as to spread her nude photos —  in a later post.

DOXXING

By the time #burgersandfries started up, much of the dirt on Quinn – including her nude photos – had already been revealed. But 4channers on the channel continued to try to dig up dirt on her and her supporters.

Some defenders of 4chan insist that there was no “doxxing” on #burgersandfries because no one there talked explicitly about hacking Quinn and others in order to uncover her private information. And, indeed, I have yet to see evidence that anyone on the channel was involved in hacking.

But this is a rather narrow definition of “doxxing,” and certainly those on the channel would be surprised to hear that there was no doxxing going on, because they quite openly talked about their doxxing, and use the word freely – some 646 times over the course of the time period covered in the log.

Here some of the channel’s doxxers discuss shelling out money for the personal information of one of the “five guys” Quinn allegedly slept with:

Aug 18 18.12.22 <Television17> Do we have dox on the bitch here? …
Aug 18 18.13.05 <Five-Guys> read topic
Aug 18 18.13.23 <Five-Guys> LATEST NEWS: Possible Dox on Josh Boggs found (needs someone to pay for them), …
Aug 18 18.13.50 <Geno_> Who has the possible dox?
Aug 18 18.14.00 <Geno_> And how much money does it cost

Here they talked about doxxing Boggs’ wife in order to get at him:

Aug 18 18.32.15 <SaladCream> The wife is the key …
Aug 18 18.32.36 <Xempa> Yeah the Wife is the main objective as of now …
Aug 18 18.32.52 <anonymoose_> Dox the wife, find her email/mailbox
Aug 18 18.32.58 <anonymoose_> and then send letters en masse

Here they added another name to the mix (I’ve redacted it from the quotes below):

Aug 18 17.34.56 <SaladCream> Any luck on the wife hunt?
Aug 18 17.35.04 <Cyberserker> Once someone buys the dox, yes
Aug 18 17.35.05 <Five-Guys> facebook yields nothing
Aug 18 17.35.12 <Geno_> Err pipl throws this on Joshua facebook profile …
Aug 18 17.35.12 <Geno_> Josh Boggs, [other name redacted by DF]
Aug 18 17.35.13 <cuteGamrgrll> The dox might not yield much.
Aug 18 17.35.16 <Geno_> Its that his full name?
Aug 18 17.35.19 <cuteGamrgrll> who the fuck is [name redacted]?
Aug 18 17.35.26 <OtherGentleman> has this info been brought to the game journalists for their comment/denial?
Aug 18 17.35.31 <Geno_> That page is his facebook profile
Aug 18 17.35.49 <BurgerKing> He’s deleting all his shit
Aug 18 17.35.54 <BurgerKing> Someone dox [name redacted]
Aug 18 17.35.59 <cuteGamrgrll> searching
Aug 18 17.36.14 <Geno_> You know, it might be his middle name or something
Aug 18 17.36.47 <Cyberserker> http://www.whitepages.com/name/[name redacted]
Aug 18 17.36.56 <Geno_> Also his page is gone and the google cache throws back to his twitter
Aug 18 17.37.46 <cuteGamrgrll> looking for a chinaman is tough shit.
Aug 18 17.37.50 <cuteGamrgrll> their names are common as fuck.

Several days later they’re still discussing Boggs. (Again, I’ve redacted all info besides his name.)

Aug 24 00.54.45 <DarkHiero> Yeah, we need to find Boggs.
Aug 24 00.55.17 <ZoeTheBurgerFiend> did we do anything with those numbers that were posted?
Aug 24 00.55.19 <Agent_Cooper> Yes Dox Boggs
Aug 24 00.55.28 <ZoeTheBurgerFiend> I know we have his sister’s info
Aug 24 00.56.09 <ZoeTheBurgerFiend> [link redacted]
Aug 24 00.56.12 <EvilBob> Boggs fucked right off- Shit is there a public wedding thinger for [location redacted by DF]?
Aug 24 00.57.07 <ZoeTheBurgerFiend> A wedding directory
Aug 24 00.57.13 <EvilBob> ZoeTheBurgerFiend: That’s the thing!
Aug 24 00.57.16 <ZoeTheBurgerFiend> I mean these records are public, but the problem is….
Aug 24 00.57.24 <ZoeTheBurgerFiend> they need to be accessed in person …
Aug 24 00.57.34 <ZoeTheBurgerFiend> a lot of these directories aren’t online.

Later on, when one of the most energetic doxxers – a YouTuber known as Cameralady – expresses her weariness, a new particpant offers his services in the dox hunt:

Sep 02 01.54.09 <Taman_Shud> Then let me take up your burden …
Sep 02 01.54.30 <Taman_Shud> I am an unemployed intelligence analyst with some of the craziest access
Sep 02 01.54.32 <Taman_Shud> I will do it …
Sep 02 01.54.36 <Taman_Shud> I will be your champion yo …
Sep 02 01.55.10 <Bub> Taman_Shud: access to what, where? …
Sep 02 01.55.33 <Taman_Shud> I have a lot of friends in various places and agencies.
Sep 02 01.55.36 <merricks> Taman_Shud, please don’t confusing “investigation” with “the d word” …
Sep 02 01.55.39 <Taman_Shud> with lots of connections

In addition to doxxing Quinn’s supporters (and alleged paramours), the 4channers have been digging deeper into her life and into her family history:

Aug 23 20.10.17 <Agent_Cooper> Off topic but I found stuff that ties Zoe’s family to lobbying President Woodrow Wilson over Tobacco and Oil

There’s much more there; I hesitate to post more because to do so would be a further invasion of Quinn’s privacy.

SOCKPUPPETING/IMPERSONATION:

4chaners are widely known as enthusiastic users of sockpuppets, and they’ve spoken about this quite openly on the #burgersandfries channel, with some even admitting plainly that they planned to troll Twitter in the guise of women and/or people of color in order to make it appear that their crusade was not dominated quite so heavily by white guys.

The #burgersandfries crowd were quick to take up the #notyourshield hashtag on Twitter, which evidently originated on 4chan itself as a pseudo-grassroots campaign by women, people of color, and/or LGBT folk allegedly fed up with “Social Justice Warriors” criticizing gaming.

It’s clear, though, that at least some of the #notyourshield posts are being posted by white guys.

https://twitter.com/a_girl_irl/status/507559955919294464

https://twitter.com/a_girl_irl/status/507554776348110850

On #burgersandfries some of the sockpuppeteers readily confessed to their deceptive behavior:

Sep 03 00.56.24 <recursiveAnon> Hi guys, #notyourshield squadmember reporting in, seems like we hit a vital point …
Sep 03 00.57.15 <Albel> recursiveAnon: you’re doing the lord’s work
Sep 03 00.57.20 <DepressionFries> I already joined …
Sep 03 00.57.23 <DepressionFries> as a Latino
Sep 03 00.57.25 <DepressionFries> :3
Sep 03 00.57.41 <Bub> if I show up in blackface can I help #notyourshield …
Sep 03 00.57.48 <DepressionFries> lul

Bub returned less than an hour later to report that he had indeed posted in the hashtag “in blackface.”

[CORRECTION: Someone claiming to be DepressionFries has since posted a picture of himself on Twitter; he does indeed appear to be Latino.]

Another 4channer volunteered to do the same:

Sep 03 01.19.15 <AnimeJustice> I have a picture of me and a black girl i know …
Sep 03 01.19.19 <AnimeJustice> I could play pretend

Other #burgersandfries chatters talked about impersonating “Social Justice Workers” in order to win over – and exploit – the trust of Quinn and others:

Aug 25 03.10.37 <akiyuki_shinbo> wait what are we plotting
Aug 25 03.10.42 <sangria> i don’t even know
Aug 25 03.10.44 <sangria> but i like it …
Aug 25 03.10.52 <temet> to pose as a SJW that watns to game dev
Aug 25 03.10.56 <akiyuki_shinbo> oh
Aug 25 03.10.58 <Dudebrogamer> @temet I think the best way is the simplest way… have a pro dev reach out to the poor oppressed indie girl. easy to make friends, looks legit etc
Aug 25 03.11.04 <Shakes> Something about infiltrating SJWs I think …
Aug 25 03.11.23 <sangria> lol
Aug 25 03.11.34 <temet> but her defences are too high right now
Aug 25 03.11.38 <temet> so we have to check out …
Aug 25 03.11.40 <temet> like with our detaisl
Aug 25 03.11.45 <akiyuki_shinbo> whoever does this would have to dye their hair
Aug 25 03.11.49 <Shakes> That’s the great comedy of this situation
Aug 25 03.11.49 <akiyuki_shinbo> and grow out a jewfro
Aug 25 03.11.49 <sangria> lol
Aug 25 03.11.53 <sangria> get tattoos …
Aug 25 03.11.56 <sangria> and a septum piercing
Aug 25 03.12.02 <Dudebrogamer> lol temporary tats
Aug 25 03.12.06 <sangria> lol
Aug 25 03.12.07 <akiyuki_shinbo> henna

Another 4channer fantasized about deceiving Quinn while posing as a SJW:

Aug 26 03.06.40 <mib_ipe1yf> actually what you should do …
Aug 26 03.06.46 <mib_ipe1yf> is get close to her and pretend you’re SJWs …
Aug 26 03.06.55 <mib_ipe1yf> earn her trust and her favor …
Aug 26 03.07.04 <mib_ipe1yf> and then backstab the backstabbing bitch
Aug 26 03.07.07 <Keirnoth> i have too much pride in myself to do that mib

Still another arrived independently at a similar plan several days later:

Sep 03 23.36.41 <cosmicboy> GUYS GUYS GUYS!!! why don’t we pose as an SJW looking for help and see what ‘help’ she actually provides? …
Sep 03 23.36.55 <CreeperEsq> @cosmicboy Psyops? …
Sep 03 23.37.07 <cosmicboy> creepesq exactly …
Sep 03 23.38.59 <cosmicboy> sefam we could make a fake infographic about some random girl who got abused on 4chan …
Sep 03 23.39.17 <cosmicboy> and then pretend to be that random girl

While others debated how to pull off a convincing imitation of a girl on the internet:

Aug 26 13.22.36 <maximumtacos> be subtle …

Aug 26 13.22.46 <maximumtacos> these people are evil
Aug 26 13.22.49 <maximumtacos> but not completely stupid
Aug 26 13.22.57 <maximumtacos> i mean they’re STUPID on one level
Aug 26 13.23.01 <maximumtacos> but they’re also not retarded
Aug 26 13.23.10 <Guest17627> also, make the account more pretty, like you are actually a 13 year old just learning hte internet
Aug 26 13.23.21 <Cyberserker> ^
Aug 26 13.23.23 <maximumtacos> why
Aug 26 13.23.26 <Guest17627> use sailor moon wall if you ned to …
Aug 26 13.23.32 <Cyberserker> You should have put a lot of numbers in your name
Aug 26 13.23.33 <maximumtacos> no anime stuff
Aug 26 13.23.42 <maximumtacos> is MM actually trying to be an underage girl
Aug 26 13.23.44 <Cyberserker> Like anime_fan666xXx
Aug 26 13.23.47 <maximumtacos> and then catch a dev hitting on her?
Aug 26 13.23.50 <Csiko> Sailor Moon stuff is good, numbers isn’t
Aug 26 13.23.56 <maximumtacos> why is sailor moon stuff good
Aug 26 13.23.59 <maximumtacos> im losing the plot here guys
Aug 26 13.24.08 <maximumtacos> i thought the idea was to infiltrate them on twitter
Aug 26 13.24.11 <Cyberserker> I don’t know how girls think
Aug 26 13.24.12 <Guest17627> maximumtacos, then bratz the fairy stufff, Mlp or something
Aug 26 13.24.13 <maximumtacos> not pretend to be a fedora anime fan …
Aug 26 13.24.21 <Csiko> trust me
Aug 26 13.24.22 <Cyberserker> Girls can’t be fedoras
Aug 26 13.24.26 <anonCo> I think this is fueling them, tbh.
Aug 26 13.24.28 <maximumtacos> you are useless at pretending to be a girl
Aug 26 13.24.31 <maximumtacos> bratz?
Aug 26 13.24.37 <maximumtacos> theyll see right through it all
Aug 26 13.24.52 <maximumtacos> i was a 14 year old boy on the internet once
Aug 26 13.24.54 <Cyberserker> I remember that shit
Aug 26 13.24.55 <Guest17627> maximumtacos, I can be, since I used to be one…
Aug 26 13.24.57 <maximumtacos> i know how to properly pretend to be a girl
Aug 26 13.24.58 <Cyberserker> Uncanny Valley
Aug 26 13.24.59 <Csiko> if you don’t go with Sailor Moon go with bishounen shit
Aug 26 13.25.08 <maximumtacos> all the anime shit will just make them assume 4chan

Others fantasized about creating a robot army of fake SJW Tweeters:

Aug 18 22.44.39 <yetsturdy> i want a social botnet …
Aug 18 22.44.56 <yetsturdy> yes
Aug 18 22.45.01 <yetsturdy> augmented trolling. :)…
Aug 18 22.45.10 <PEANESS> using neutral language processing to create realistic & generic SJW posts, creating reputations for many accounts …
Aug 18 22.45.17 <PEANESS> which is something that i specialize in
Aug 18 22.45.28 <nullspace> make it happen …
Aug 18 22.45.35 <PEANESS> i don’t specialize in english very much
Aug 18 22.45.35 <yetsturdy> PEANESS: that first part is a little silly …
Aug 18 22.45.46 <yetsturdy> people will catch on to markov bots pretty quick
Aug 18 22.46.00 <yetsturdy> they can be used to maybe generate initial followers, but not for long-term psyops
Aug 18 22.46.23 <PEANESS> which is why it wouldn’t be original content, mostly
Aug 18 22.46.26 <yetsturdy> if there were tools that made it really easy to manage many sockpuppet identities, then we’d have something good
Aug 18 22.46.38 <yetsturdy> and better than sockpuppets: stolen accounts
Aug 18 22.46.41 <PEANESS> it would be old stuff from old bloggers, repurposed with the words switched around
Aug 18 22.46.49 <yetsturdy> mind-control, in a very loose sense.
Aug 18 22.47.01 <platonicSolid> big dreams dude …
Aug 18 22.48.05 <PEANESS> if you’re working with stolen accounts, you’re working on borrowed time …
Aug 18 22.48.28 <PEANESS> they have their place, but if you’re going to annhilation instead of irritation then you need more
Aug 18 22.48.57 <PEANESS> plus sjws have pretty strong friends groups that exist outside of tumblr; account stealings will be caught onto quickly

It’s a good thing that this is a bit beyond 4chan’s capabilities at the moment, because I have no doubt they’d do it.

In later posts I plan to talk more about how 4channers generated publicity for what became the #GamerGate campaign, as well as to delve more into their motivations – which in many cases have nothing even remotely to do with the “ethics” they like to pretend that their utterly unethical campaign is about.

EDIT: Due to some WordPress glitch involving the angle brackets, some of the names of posters were stripped from the quotes here. I’ve manually added them back in.

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idledillettante
6 years ago

@eron_gj @Phredreeke @swift_mover3000 What was that about you doubting Lawfag? I can't hear you over the LYING pic.twitter.com/8cIrt7iF9e— Caroline (@idlediletante) September 11, 2014

Here’s some bullshit I found Eron Gjoni discussing in his August 24th Q&A with burgers and fries. The user Lawfag is one of the larger figures in the #gamergate scandal, and here you see him and Eron discuss whether or not it’s “good PR” to try and send the IRS to audit Quinn for tax fraud. Gjoni’s only concern it would seem is the possibility of a libel suit if Lawfag can’t find the information he expects to find in ZQ’s financial history.

When I confronted Gjoni with this on twitter and in my recent blog post detailing his involvement in #burgersandfries, he said

@idlediletante @Phredreeke @swift_mover3000 My relationship with lawfag extended no further than "I'm pretty sure you're not a real lawyer"— E G (@eron_gj) September 11, 2014

Read more about Eron Gjoni’s involvement with #burgersandfries here,

http://idledillettante.wordpress.com/2014/09/10/eron-gjonis-involvement-in-burgersandfries-the-first-interview/

sorceressensorcelled
sorceressensorcelled
6 years ago

I don’t know how you can wade through this sea of shit, David, but you are a badass for doing so. I know I couldn’t.

I’m with ryeash – just really amazed that these jerks can think that the people who are speaking out against social injustice and the harrassment of others are the “evil” ones in this scenario. “Yeah, I’m deliberately hurting women and poc with my hateful rhetoric and actions, but they hurt MY feelings by trying to tell me that my straight white male ass shouldn’t be the center of the fucking universe! My hatred is completely justified because MISANDRY!!!”

SpukiKitty: “What we need is a list of tips for folks like Anita & Zoe that teach how to block, thwart & resist these cyberbullies.”

I’m kind of in disagreement. I mean, yeah, tips for those things are necessary, but I’m pretty sure they already know how to do those things, but cyberbullies just learn how to get around them. It’s just like the anti-rape tips we ladies get from the time we’re young; sure, they’re good ideas in theory, but in reality it’s not getting to the root of the problem, and in some ways makes things worse by putting all the weight of stopping the phenomenon on the victim and just assuming “bullies gonna bully”. What we need to do is try to change the underlying system that allows these people to just be brushed off and not held accountable for their actions. That’s the only way any kind of victimization of others is going to be reduced, is if we as a society start telling the bullies that we’re not going to tolerate this crap anymore, and that they’re going to be punished for it.

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

Holy shit David you are guilty of cherry-industrial-harvesting! In a cherryfield. Grown in the inside of a giant cherry.

Still that’s not a fair analogy because cherries are tasty. It’s more like oil extraction, but with a cesspool instead of an oil well.

maistrechat
6 years ago

The #notyourshield accounts side by side with the source images really puts the lie to virtually everything the trolls here have been saying. Good job, people who found that stuff.

jojo
jojo
6 years ago

@maistrechat, i love how you said that right after we get a visit from a sock puppet troll. Timing couldn’t have been better

lkeke35
lkeke35
6 years ago

Sorceresse: That’s really what all these movements are about, init? The MRA, the Cyber-bullies, The Tea Party..it’s really all the same underlying message. There’s a certain class of authoritarian White man that just want to keep victimizing anyone and everyone they please.

The are absolutely incensed that all these people, these inferiors, these peons, keep sassing and backtalking them, so they’re becoming becoming increasingly more irate in their screaming and desperate in their tactics.

It’s both hilarious and terrifying.

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
6 years ago

If I can convince one person with my “trolling” on 4chan that they are acting stupid I’m successful, but HOO BOY some of them are not really living in the same reality as us.

I just hope that moot finally gets fed up with /pol/ shitting up the nicer boards

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

@jojo you mean me? My comment was mocking the “cherry picking” accusation from the 4chan damage control squad, you don’t “cherry pick” if you’re swimming in cherries. Or in their case, when they’re dripping malice and misogyny out of their pores.

Hell please don’t associate me with those pieces of human excrement for the love of ceiling cat.

If anything, I need to improve my analogy-making ^_^

vaiyt
6 years ago

I just hope that moot finally gets fed up with /pol/ shitting up the nicer boards

Which nicer boards? The other pop culture and tech boards (along with /tg/) are full of the same geek scum as /v/, they’re just various degrees of more insulated from the real world. The sports and porn boards are full of racists. The less said about /k/, the better. Of the boards I’ve been in, the only one which wasn’t blatantly ugly was the cooking one.

starkidnina
6 years ago

People are shit, guys. I know I’m not a regular here, but I’ve been using this site to follow a lot of stuff – most recently, the whole GamerGate bullshit. One of my friends posted a facebook status about NotYourShield and…shit went crazy. I’m pretty much on the verge of tears from dealing with these stupid, misogynistic shitbags. Also unhelpful – my friend (who is a wonderful feminist lady) is doing a LOT of “well both sides have some points…”

So, to save my facebook feed from getting even more inundated with hatred, I need to post a little screed here.

NO. BOTH SIDES DO NOT HAVE GOOD POINTS.

One side’s point is “we want to torment women until they commit suicide or stop talking forever.”

There is no “good point” there. If there are people using NotYourShield to express an honest frustration with how they are being treated, they should use a different hashtag. That one is too dirty, and too broken. Its origins are in harassment and it is unacceptably soiled.

The “scandal” that everyone is moaning about is literally infinitesimally tiny. It’s unbelievable how little it takes to provoke these horrid people.

starkidnina
6 years ago

Also having this facebook argument led to me finally donating to WHTM. It’s not much, but it was awesome having a source that I could link to.

lkeke35
lkeke35
6 years ago

Well apparently the people who created #notyourshield, have never heard of intersectionality, which feminists and their allies are beginning increasingly to understand. I tried to understand what exactly was the message of #notyourshield and couldn’t quite fathom why any PoC would feel that way. The title of it and philosophy behind it just felt wrong. I’ve never heard any PoC express such sentiments about feminism. If they have a beef they usually spout the usual myths about feminism that everyone else holds.

Do we have legitimate concerns? Sure. But none that are even remotely like the ones expressed in that hashtag. It’s just slightly too obtuse for us to have created it. PoC like to be as direct as possible with their critiques so that there’s absolutely no mistaking our message for anything but a rebuke. We’re not going to craft a hashtag whre when you see it, you have to wonder what the Hell it’s about.

jojo
jojo
6 years ago

Sarah no need to apologize. I should apologize for doing that really awful mistake and besmirching your name

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
6 years ago

@vaiyt
/m/ mostly
/co/ and /tg/ are significantly less shitty compared to /v/
/cgl/ has ridiculous highschool drama but is okayish

totally agree with you on /k/ (OBAMA GONNA TAKE MY GUNS) and /sp/ (it doesnt stand for sports, it stands for shitposts)

i do think that the continued existence of /pol/ and /r9k/ are a problem.
but i dont believe that everyone on that site is a lost cause

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
6 years ago

pfffft hahahaha oh man
Milo Yiannopoulos showed up in /v/ and the dumbfucks are brownnosing him hard.
THERES A GUY WHO TOTALLY BELIEVES IN ETHICS (if by ethics you mean not paying the wages you owe your employees and writing for known internet rag breitbart)

swm
swm
6 years ago

Right. After dirtbaggate was exposed as a complete fraud, the bro posse are re-focusing their bile on Sarkeesian. Yiannopoulos (aka Wagner aka Hanrahan) is a serial liar/fabulist and his ‘career’ in tech journalism an ethical black hole. Since he is now ‘investigating’ a woman they hate all that chaff about credibility, truth and ethics is dispensed with. These guys could not make it any clearer that driving women they oppose out of gaming and scoring a victory for misogyny are their only real goals.

marinerachel
marinerachel
6 years ago

What’s this shit about police denying any reporting of threats against Sarkeesian?

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
6 years ago

@swm
according to ZQ, milo called her on the phone for an interview (using the number that was in her dox so that slimebag inadvertently made the “NO ONE DOXXED HER” claims even more ludicrous), she wisely refused.

swm
swm
6 years ago

@ A Wolverine
These people have a seriously toxic mindset when it comes to women.
They think women are required to ‘answer me’ under any and all circumstances.
When a woman does not, they see it as ‘proof’ of their victimhood and the woman’s
duplicity. Sarkessian disables youtube comments due to their bile, they rage that she will not accept criticism. They post slanderous shit about Quinn along with her info all over the internet and cry ‘censorship’ when mods take it down. Now the ‘spokesmen’ for the misogynist forensic teams are trying to get Sarkeesian and Quinn to prove they received death threats. The misogyny chorus will of course crank up the outrage some more when both women refuse to talk to some of the same asshats who have been pushing so much of this bullshit for their own nefarious purposes.

The shitbirds have created a fucked up misogyny feedback loop that somehow automatically proves the harassers are in the right whenever women object to be harassed online.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
6 years ago

True, I agree with you 100% on that. I was just being pragmatic concerning “In the meantime”. It should be a 1-2 punch….Help victims defend themselves while fighting the system at the same time. I hope Quinn’s okay and doesn’t let the abusive ex & the 4chan chumps win. She needs to stay in gaming because that’s her bread & butter and she needs to survive. I heard that she has ADHD & Depression. I hope she has a strong support system & good meds. It must be hell. Being ADHD/mild OCD myself, I know what it’s like.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
6 years ago
Reply to  lkeke35

I don’t even call those “MRA” guys that “Men’s Right’s Activist” is too dignified & false. “Male Privilege Meatheads”…or…MPMs…is better.

Let’s make “MPM” memetic!

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
6 years ago
Reply to  seraph4377

Why can’t 4chan keep their trolling to simple goofing on message boards or Anonymous hacktivism or punishing animal abusers? A guy being annoying on a webboard doesn’t ruin lives. It’s stupid but you can block/ignore them. But stalking innocent people & cyberbullying is so evil. I would call these guys “Trolls”…they’re Terrorists!

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
6 years ago
Reply to  starkidnina

You’re friend is either not a true feminist, a feminist newbie who doesn’t know better and as still got gunk internalized (like I was when I first commented a LONG while ago. Not a good first impression but I know better, now), a pretender, or a complete moron.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
6 years ago
Reply to  A Wolverine

The only good to come out of 4chan is nabbing animal abusers and maybe some members being into that Anonymous thing. Otherwise, they’re all….well….strange.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
6 years ago
Reply to  swm

I’d love to see counter-measures to protect Sarkeesian & others. She needs the voices of supporters to keep her strong & unafraid.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
6 years ago
Reply to  A Wolverine

She’s smart. That’s awesome.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
6 years ago
Reply to  swm

I would love to know what kind of moms these guys had. It’s one thing to be sexist (which is bad enough) but these guys crank it up to 11. So much deranged vitriol. I wonder if movies like “Revenge Of The Nerds” (or any movie, past & present where the geek or loser gets the gorgeous girl) contributes to this. They feel too entitled. I’m not against “dorky” people getting relationships/friendship/romance but these guys are toxic.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
6 years ago
Reply to  starkidnina

I should donate sometime. David is awesome. He has the intestinal fortitude to research this dreck without going insane! He’s more “Alpha” than these MPM goofballs who wouldn’t know “Alpha/Beta/Omega” if a wolf bit them in the gonads!

berserkx33
6 years ago

It’s even worse, this Lilo guy was accusing her of stealing from charities, and even after she showed the receipts and the charity itself made a announcment confirming her donations, those guys at GG are still attacking her for it and eating everything Milo and his website says.

If this isn’t the definition of a tool, I don’t know what is.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
6 years ago

Oh, this is terrible – MORE leaked celebrity nudes have shown up.

http://www.donotlink.com/blv0

Michael McG
Michael McG
6 years ago

It’s interesting how the fake celebrity nudes are disproportionately make, even though the distribution of the real celebrity nudes was almost completely of the female victims. (I say “almost completely” to leave room for the fact that my knowledge I’d the scandal–of the leak itself, not the content of the leak–is incomplete.)

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
6 years ago

That’s because they’re intended as a joke. Porn featuring cartoon women is a real thing, and people fap to it.

Michael McG
Michael McG
6 years ago

That’s because they’re intended as a joke.

Yeah, and jokes can often trivialize real problems. I’m not sure that this particular one does–or was intended to–but that doesn’t mean that mentioning that humor can frequently minimize serious problems isn’t true.

Porn featuring cartoon women is a real thing, and people fap to it.

Yeah, I’m well aware of Rule 34. However, the existence of pornographic cartoons doesn’t make the conflation of pornographic mock-ups of live-action fictional characters–most of whom were male–with erotic photographs of real entertainers–the most widely distributed of which were of females.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

I am not amused by their “joke”.

Michael McG
Michael McG
6 years ago

I am not amused by their “joke”.

Glad I’m not the only one.

The whole article struck me as making a concerted effort to take deliberately grotesque fictional, male bodies (even the genitals–when visible–carried the same grotesque motif in miniature as the the whole body) and conflate them expressly sexualized real, female bodies as a way of commenting on the perceived uppitiness of the victims’ outrage.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Yeah, sorry, Phoenician, but that was a bit of a misfire, particularly for the audience on this blog.

Random Hajile
Random Hajile
6 years ago

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/823/986/b4c.jpg

Well, then. You sure proved that snide feminist, social justice warrior, whoever wrong.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I weep for the more talented trolls of yore, who were smart enough not to repeat arguments that had already been debunked earlier on the same page.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

Male Privilege Meatheads

I like that.
@ Hajile…Don’t believe the hype.
#notyourshield was a big box of rainbow socks.

You wanna show me some authoritative evidence to show otherwise?
Note, a cartoon isn’t evidence, merely an attempt at an emotive argument.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Even Vice knows that these guys are full of shit, and it’s not exactly known for cutting-edge investigative journalism.

http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-female-gamer-mascot-created-by-anti-feminists-828

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Why yes, a cartoon of a black guy claiming to be a #notyourshield person totally invalidates all the posts of 4chan gamebros admitting to sockpuppetry. You sure got us randomhajile.

katz
6 years ago

“I drew a comic where this thing is true, therefore it’s true!”

kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

Going by Random Hajile’s comment under the comic, isn’t zie saying the same thing (ie. the comic means nothing)?

katz
6 years ago

Look, now I’ve proved that they ARE all sockpuppets!

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/256/8/c/b4c_by_jewelleddragon13-d7yzjx9.jpg

marinerachel
marinerachel
6 years ago

Winning.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I just want to know what’s going on with the arm of the guy in the back with the long hair. Is it bionic? Does it have a built-in cannon? The scale or perspective or something is all wrong.

marinerachel
marinerachel
6 years ago

Potatoe launcher.

katz
6 years ago

Also, why are there two white guys in that group?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Why is one of the white guys in the middle? Even when they’re trying to depict diversity look what happens.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Also, why does the hand of the guy in the front with the specs turn into a flipper in the second panel?