You'll never guess what misogynistic gamebros did to these two women in gaming! (HINT: Drove them out.)

RE: LBT

I think that the dudes bragging about and focusing on size ultimately don’t get that it’s not about how big or how small they ares but about what they do with it and what they do before they start penetration.

I’m in a testy mood, and also come from the South, where I’ve heard plenty of people trying to claim the KKK weren’t racist because they attacked other people. Basically, focusing on their white victims to erase the black ones. So I found the “of all races” superfluous, except as a means to minimize the racist violence.

I think that’s where the question of the “uncharitable” reading comes in.

I live in a city well known for its historical collusion between the KKK and government entities (and somewhat less known for such incidents as the murder of Father James Coyle). I doubt McG’s post was in any way a defense of the Klan. It’s simply a fact that, during its most popular iteration (including the induction of sitting US President in a White House ceremony), the Klan was an equal opportunity hate/terrorist group: anti-immigrant, anti-Catholic, anti-labor…

The Klan’s use of inflammatory rhetoric and violence against non-blacks in no way ameliorates their racism, but to dismiss the rest of their activities and their agenda is to ignore a substantial portion of their terrible legacy, which does disservice to our appreciation of the historical record and to their non-black victims.

Can I bust in to the KKK conversation with a resounding “you’re all right!”?

Denying that the KKK did murder some non-black people is minimizing part of why they were able to keep going so strongly for so long. It is important to remember those victims, as well.

However, there is a strong tendency to make those infrequent victims far more ‘heroic’ than the numerous African-American victims. For instance, in school I learned the names of more white victims of the KKK than the names of the black men murdered.

We spent more time talking about white judges who were threatened than about black men who were threatened just for existing and having the temerity to be good at their jobs, or walk the ‘wrong’ direction, or try to become better educated.

The only names of POC I learned in US history that I can remember to this day are Harriet Tubman, Thurgood Marshall, and Martin L. King Jr.

That, to me, is not a good thing. Why the hell did we spend more time on a few ‘allies’ than the hundreds of people terrorized? I call fishiness, US History class!

Admittedly, we didn’t really talk much about any of it, because this is Alaska and we tend to think of ourselves as disconnected from the lower 48 (even though we’re still definitely USians) and we don’t give nearly as much focus to much US history past the war of 1812 and pre Seward’s Folly.

So, yeah. YMMV?

The KKK discussion reminded me of this absolutely BLISTERING piece of satire done by the British show That Was the Week That Was in the wake of the murder of William Lewis Moore (a white protest marcher; his killer was not arrested and his KKK affiliation is unknown).

I am breaking the link so it won’t inline; if you choose to watch it you will see why.

http://youtu. be/dOKqzJJvEOw

WARNING: use of N-word and blackface.

Contrapangloss, we’re running out of trophies for all your wins. Would you accept a crudely drawn picture of a trophy instead?

LBT, Incognegro is one of my favorites, too, and I agree that it’s a good one for people who think they don’t like comics (I read it as I was getting into them, so yeah).

The book that finally sold me on the format was We3, but I’m careful about recommending a book where all the reviews are like “this made me, an adult man, cry” – I don’t like to spring that on people without a warning. It’s seriously an amazing book and I love it, but you have to be in a place where you can handle having your heart ripped out (and then sewn back in).

RE: emilygoddess

I’ve read We3! It’s been a long time though. I do remember it being good. If you liked that, you might also like Beasts of Burden, which can be equally disturbing and equally awesome, with similar content but a completely different genre. (It’s classic horror stories, as perceived by a group of suburban dogs and a stray cat. The watercolor art is absolutely gorgeous, but oh man, TERRIBLE THINGS happen to those cute little puppies and kitties.)

Ooh, Incognegro was fan-effin-tastic! I loved the ending — talk about karmic justice!

I’ve gotten “psychology isn’t a science”,

Unless of course it’s evo psych. Then it’s the scienciest of all sciences and proves men have to rape/assault/harass women and hitting on teen girls is an all natural thing to do!

@blahlistic: Thank you for the kind words, I appreciate it.

Anyway, onto the troll-slaying…

I appreciate you being in total panic mode because Zoe “Fraud” Quinn was exposed for the duplicitous hypocrite that she is, but hopefully your quest to get laid by pretending to be a feminist doesn’t continue humiliating you. 🙂

OH SHUT THE FUCK UP!

She wasn’t “exposed” as anything, you shithead – they are allegations made by a disgruntled ex as well as those from Reddit or 4chan. Not exactly known for either honest or integrity whether its with journalism or right to privacy. But, of course, that doesn’t matter to you – you’ll pretty much believe anything that reinforces the absurd “there’s an evil, feminist conspiracy” narrative that’s part of your cretinous little ideology.

Also: do you know how nonsensical it is to accuse a guy of trying to get laid, by defending women over the internet? It’s never that they sincerely believe in doing so (which is actually the case) and the whole “trying to get laid” thing is more personal projection than anything else. Most of the people I know who’ve accused others of that have tried wooing women on the internet whom they never met, but of course it’s okay when they do it – any time it becomes about social justice, suddenly there’s an ulterior motive present. Real convenient, that…

Saying “of all races” acknowledges the historical reality that the KKK *also* targeted people who fought for the civil rights of the KKK’s primary targets.

What’s with the uncharitable reading?

Because, as LBT has stated, it’s deflecting criticism and white-washing the nature of the group’s actual goals.

Did they attack people who supported the Civil Rights Movement? Sure. Does that change the fact their previous actions have almost always involved terrorizing black individuals and families? No. It’s not really that hard to just admit that, overall, the KKK targets that ethnic group over others.

So, the gamebros are now saying if someone is accused by others of having affairs, this is a criteria to judge their entire work now?

Gosh, I look forward to seeing how they’ll be consistent on this. Will they be asking their Doctor “Hey, have you ever had an affair?” before beginning treatment? Refusing a Nurger until everyone involved, server, prepper and griller have all signed statements of their complete fidelity? Doing thorough research checks into films to ensure even the smallest of extra has never been unfaithful?

No, whoops, sorry, I forgot, this is a crime of feminism. Nothing wrong with men there.

And here’s the annoying thing, it’s hard to write abotu these accusations without inadvertantly giving them more merit than they deserve. Because apparently bitter exes are now the most legitimate sources, rather than people who are eager to hurt their exes anyway they can (Even in the vice interview where he tries to separate himself from the gamergate shitstorm, he still says no one should support his ex because of their relationship).

I have four words for the gentleman that wrote this: First Degree Aggravated Assault.

This whole thing is just sick.

Look, no-one should be harassed. But conflicts of interest should be dealt with accordingly as well.

Both “sides” have done wrong, here. Can everybody stop picking out-of-context-quotes here and there and trying to paint a larger picture of the opposing side’s values? That 4chan quote is not only without context, but highly unlikely to have been taken seriously at all. Why say “what’s wrong with these people”? There’s something wrong with that PERSON, not those PEOPLE. Some #GamerGate fellows have done some cherry-picking as well. Not that I can recall any of it right now because, believe it or not, I don’t follow this stuff that closely.

That would be the group organized around the principle of having fun harassing people as opposed to that group objecting to being harassed? Are those the two “sides” you think are equally at fault?
Nopwe!