Well, the denizens of Reddit’s TOTALLY ALPHA Red Pill subreddit have weighed in on the stolen celebrity nude pics that have so many Redditors — and other skeezballs — so excited. And they have some, well, intriguing explanations for why feminists are troubled by the widespread dissemination of stolen nude pictures that were never supposed to be seen by the general public.
In a thread with the lovely title Why are the feminazis so buttdevastated about the leaked nude pics?, a RedPill dude with the lovely handle trpmdsrfggts explains that said feminazis are angry because the pics — some of which show the celebrity women looking like, you know, actual women — are driving down the “price of pussy.”
I’ll let him explain, because his logic is obviously more sophisticated than anything I learned in my pussy economics classes in college:
Wow. That seems completely ass-backwards to me, but what do I know? I’m just a beta or gamma or epsilon or pi or whatever Greek letter it is that dudes like me are.
Others in the thread expand upon this, er, argument. I’m just going to paste some of their comments in, because, honestly, trying to parse their “logic” in order to think of funny things to say about them hurts my brain. (Clicking on any of these pics will get you to the original quote in context.)
Oh, there’s more, so much more, but that’s about all I have time for now, as I need to get back to poppin bottles and, you know, doing whatever else I can to keep up the price of pussy, because, as a male feminist, that’s obviously job number one for me.
My favorite term for “sociopath” co-workers is one I found on etiquette hell.com: cow-irkers.
First time I saw “coworkers” instead of “co-workers” I wanted to read it as cow orkers. I’d love to know what cow orking is and who does it, as long as it’s not related to pheasant plucking.
Wow, alot of thoughtful and interesting points of view here.
I’m afraid I can’t partake for long since I’m going on a trip (and by the time I get back, the discussion will probably be buried anyway). Taken into account what has been said, I’ve given it further thought.
I think it all comes down to responsible use of words, intent and context.
“Crazy” as has been pointed out can be used to completely dismiss someone else’s arguments. True
It can also be used to exonerate people from their bad behavior. True
Another falltrap was apparently that it would be assumed that all with mental conditions are lumped together with people who harbor a set of misantropic and evil opinions (in this case). Also true.
But I mean none of these things. When I talked about “crazy people” in this context, it is with a bit of hope that some of the guys writing about “market price on pussy” are actually in some sort of turmoil.It doesn’t excuse bad behavior as you are still accountable, but “crazy” sort of holds a promise that it is temporary, the depression talking, a delayed son/mother separation turned ugly, that sort of thing.
I do not see exactly what is so provocative about the idea that mental illness often can be linked to delusional and rigid ways of thinking. I was in that boat during a long depression, with a skewed view on reality. It doesn’t mean that everything I thought and said during the time was batshit, but rather it were ideas that were partially true yet skewed way out of reasonable proportion, and thus mostly false, ergo “crazy talk”.
Still, the feelings are real and that always needs to be taken into account.
Fair enough, you shouldn’t armchair diagnose people based on what they say on the internet. But IMO contrarily stating it is ALWAYS about healthy and cheery guys who just thought it’d be fun to hate all women is pretty much the same thing.
For me “crazy” is more about optimistically reserving a bit of doubt, rather than to either excuse or condemn. Obviously it is speculation, as I cannot possibly say for sure, but is it really a stretch to assume some of them fit the bill?
To say things like “Oh, but if we acknowledge that it’s sometimes about individual failures, then we jeopardize the social analysis perspective!” is cowardly and an insult to the intellect of any potential reader. Most people can hold two thoughts in their head simultaneously and deserve the credit.
@blahlistic
Man. That whole argument did all the wrong things.
I understand that DID and schizophrenic disorders are very different, trust me. I’m that buzzkill yelling at the screen when Hollywood fucks it up or comics use it for cheap laughs. Once I was diagnosed with one of the Big Three and a personality disorder for the kicker, I started reading everything I could get my hands on concerning my own and others’ illnesses, taking classes, interviewing people who were willing to disclose their diagnoses.
I had offered up two symptoms, one from DID (multiples) and one from a schizophrenic disorder (auditory hallucinations, which can also occur in severe depression or mania but are most common among the schizophrenic disorders be it Big Three Schizophrenia, Schizotypal like a good friend of mine, etc) with “or” between them, so I presented the illnesses in the order of the symptoms with “or” between them. I was not intending to equate the two.
That said, I’m sorry to hear about the situation with your father. That’s a horrific thing for a child to have to experience. I really hope you have a strong support now and have been able to get your life back. It’s sick how some parents feel like their children are property. No human being is an object, and none of us deserve to be treated that way.
That last sentence, by the way, is everything that’s wrong with the assholes this article covered, in my mind.
@Belladonna993
My comment about depression being more socially acceptable was short-sighted. You’re completely correct that it’s discriminated against in different ways. I was kind of gut-reacting to what I felt like was a brushing off of the detrimental effects the word “crazy” can have for some people. I use that word myself (as a kind of “taking it back” thing), but I never use it as an insult, and rarely around anyone not in my inner friend/family circle.
I’m sorry for your having to deal with such an awful illness, and I’m sorry if I unintentionally belittled that struggle. I get hot-headed and don’t think my words through sometimes.
@Karl
This is a false dichotomy. There is also the option of just not deciding anything about the mental health of a person on the Internet. Don’t declare them crazy. Don’t declare them not-crazy. Just don’t bring up their mental health at all.
Because what you don’t seem to grasp here is that someone’s mental health is not connected to their misogyny. You wouldn’t make an affirmative decision to believe firmly that someone you’ve never met or seen has a shoe size of 11, and that the only alternative to that is to declare just as firmly that their shoe size is definitely not 11. There is the option to acknowledge – in your mind, not out loud – that someone’s shoe size is irrelevant and you don’t have to make any decisions about that, and then just not bring it up. I don’t know why you don’t see that this is not only an option, but the best option.
Your intentions are not magic. You going around and declaring that people who behave badly are (or are probably) crazy is DAMAGING TO ME. And you coming in after the fact saying you totally didn’t mean to damage me doesn’t help or change that you did. It makes it harder for me to get medical care. It makes it harder for me to interact with people. It makes me responsible for concealing that I have a serious medical condition from friends and coworkers because they are likely to start treating me in a radically different fashion the moment they find out.
“Oh, but when =I= use the word crazy, I mean this completely nonstandard (but actually pretty standard) thing!” from you does not change this at all. It is injuring. It causes injury. It causes people to be physically harmed and endure physical pain, so that you can … what? Feel better about yourself for being utterly careless with your words? So that you don’t have to think about what you’re saying? So that you don’t have to make even the slightest effort to be a decent human being after someone has told you that what you are saying causes harm?
For real?
@Policy of Madness – Thank you for explaining that so well.
I feel similarly about “fat.” Me, I’m fat, and I embrace the word as a descriptive, not a pejorative. However, there is so much fat-shaming/thin-privilege in the world, and it is often used as an insult. In fact, far too often, it is used as an insult against someone on the internet without any knowledge of that person’s size or body composition. “I don’t like what you said, anonymousperson1234, but I’ll bet you’re FAT!”
Note, I did not say weight. BMI is absurd. Body-builders are considered “obese” by the BMI tables, because it take into account absolutely nothing besides height and weight. Piffle!
Also, the conflation of fat and unhealthy, diabetic, lazy, slob, cannibal (“Oh! I’m afraid you’ll eat me!” – real thing people say!) is not only hurtful, but it is really problematic. People are misdiagnosed all the time, because of prejudice against fat people. Healthy fat people, with perfect scores on all their bloodwork, can go to the doctor for a BROKEN BONE, and instead get lectures about Weight Watchers (again, true story). Meanwhile, a thin person can go to the doctor with symptoms of diabetes, and not even be tested for it, because “diabetes is a fat-disease,” and “thin people don’t get diabetes.” Again, true story, and it was Type II, adult onset, not the “acceptable” childhood-onset Type 1, which is known to strike thin children.
People actually suffer real, physical harm, all because of the ingrained ideas people hold about body size. Thin, as well as fat, people really suffer. And that’s not even counting the people who have been badgered and bullied about their food choices and exercise by “concern trolls.” And don’t even get me started about people who have been physically assaulted by complete strangers screaming fat hatred of them, and saying that they don’t deserve to live, because they are fat, and therefore selfishly using up ALL the resources!
Just as feminism is out to help males, as well as females, and all the other genders on the spectrum, but are called misandrists because of the name of the movement, fat activists are out to help people of ALL body sizes be accepted, and treated as fully human, regardless of size, but are often labeled as thin-haters, because of the name. Somehow, being *for* something is interpreted as being *against* everything else.
So, although it’s a completely different subject, the dynamics are so similar. Maybe that’s why it was so easy for me to see the “don’t use the ableist language” instruction in the welcome package and think, “Yeah, that’s doable,” and not argue about it. Because I feel the same way about fat-shaming language. It hadn’t really occurred to me before I read that welcome package, or the posts here, but as soon as it was pointed out to me, it made so much sense.
And even if you can’t “get” it, just understand that it is considered hurtful and offensive, and avoid that kind of talk here, because although you may not understand *why*, you do understand that it *does* cause certain members of the community pain, and to know that, and do it anyway, and try to argue your right to do so, is just plain rude.
It’s also why I generally feel safe here. Here, I know I won’t face fat-shaming, from the commenters. I might have to face it as part and parcel of the misogyny stuff, but we mock it! We know it’s wrong! And anyone who doesn’t feel the wrongness of the fat-shaming in the misogynistic stuff, at least knows that it’s not acceptable to pile-on in the comments.
I have no idea how many commenters actually think less of me because of my weight. If they do, they keep it to themselves. And I really, truly, appreciate that!
I had to drop this video into one of these threads. This is a song about this situation by the same guy who had an awesome song about the SCOTUS Hobby Lobby decision and recently has a song about being a SJW and proud.
I haven’t caught up with the whole thread yet so I hope this isn’t too out of place….going to continue reading…now!
Dang it, that posted a playlist rather than the video…let me try again
[Ninja mod edit]
Eeeep I hope this one works
Nope, youtube loves playlists I guess. Anyway, its called “Take a naked picture of yourself if you wanna” and its awesome.
If you post a link from your playlist it will post the whole playlist, you have to open the same video outside of your playlist if you want to post just that video. Not to be pedantic, it’s just that I wouldn’t suggest linking to your YouTube playlist here because it might lead trolls to you on YouTube, and YouTube trolls are the worst.
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”
Read more at http://quotes.dictionary.com/When_I_use_a_word_Humpty_Dumpty_said#PL6oJ0tOuCIp3ejO.99
Regarding my other interior/exterior peeps…
Our structure’s a bit conveniently odd.
This is also why I never realized they were there…
Basically, they operate through me. This explains a lot, as when we’re seriously triggered I’m distantly feeling the thoughts and emotions of…a minivan’s worth of kids pouring through me. Kids who think and feel very differently than myself.
There’s adults in here too, but they don’t emote like, well, little kids.
Kids feel with the dial cranked to 11 and ripped off…you know?
Anyway, finding them led me to an obvious question…what part of what I believed to be myself was really me?
Well…I’m a sort of shell. Hollow inside.
I was described by our protector, when he was angry at me, as a “fucking human windsock.” This is actually structurally accurate.
It’s easier to post as “I”, but it is an oversimplification…we’re a we’re inside. Sometimes I’m told to credit someone inside, or to make the “we” apparent, and I try to comply without confusing people who don’t live in our headspace.
My people saved me, or rather we all saved each other, so I owe them much.
Between the plurality inside and the gender issue, pronouns sure are a PITA.
Distantly? No, not distantly…INTENSELY feeling the feelings and distantly hearing the thoughts of five kids. All at once.
It feels very chaotic in my head, always has felt that way…Now that makes sense. There’s multiple other partial and overlapping human body OS’s running in my background…O.o
So, blahlistic, have you decided on your preferred pronouns, or is it something that varies, according to your situation and how loud your alters are at the time?
Ummm, did I say that right?
Him, her, they, sir, ma’am…My LDR guy suggested misster…
I figure they are all more or less accurate.
Also referring to me as y’all fits as well…
Hey you with the face…
So it really doesn’t bother me what I’m gendered.
Blahlistic, y’all are awesome.
I can’t believe I just typed y’all. It’s not my word! Can I say you all are awesome? I can’t maintain the twang in my head, and the words don’t float right out of my head when I try to type y’all, because it throws everything off…
You all are awesome.
I like you, in the non creepy “your comments make me happy, or make me think, or just make things make more sense, and it’s really nice to read them, so I’m kind of really glad this person/collective exists to write them and they seem like a really awesome, clever, strong person/collective” kind of way.
…so many comma faults. So many conjunctions.
Must go hang head in shame, and do a calculus problem to make the world feel better.
English, you’re too hard. Or maybe I’m just too tired to English properly.
RE: Phoenician
Come on, dude. You have multiple mentally ill people telling you to knock it off. Is this really so fucking important to you, the ability to call Ayn Rand a sociopath? Are you so uncreative, so vocabularily stunted, that you can’t think of a different term to use? Really?
(I know folks on the sociopath spectrum who helped take care of me during the bad years. They hide their condition for obvious reasons. So yeah, personal button with me.)
RE: Karl
“crazy” sort of holds a promise that it is temporary, the depression talking, a delayed son/mother separation turned ugly, that sort of thing.
Seriously, do you not know that many mental illnesses are for life? Mine is.
We’re telling you to shut up, not make longwinded excuses for why YOUR use of the word ‘crazy’ is magically better than all the others. You’re not special; we understood you the first time, and we don’t like it. Now shut up; I’ve been dealing with bad symptoms for two weeks and am in no mood for your horseshit about these guys just being “temporarily” turned assholic because mommy separating made them mentally ill.
RE: blahlistic
Woo, multi shit. *high five* I miss back when I was able to pass myself off as a “natural” multi. It was so much nicer than being a traumaporn horrorshow all the fucking time.
Also, RE: the post itself:
You know, now I’m remembering why I was so terrified of masturbation and being sexual for so many years. I always associated it with shit like THIS, where a boner instantly gave carte blanche to any bad behavior. Even though it’s been years, even though hubby has been proving otherwise for years, it’s STILL in my head.
blahlistic, thanks for that info!
Am I understanding it right to think you, singular, are the person talking here, but there are a whole lot of contributing (or interfering?) people influencing you as well?
Damn, that sounds like I’m making some clinical case of it. I’m trying to get a handle on how stuff works for y’all, because your situation – setup? – sounds very different from LBT’s.
It sounds like teh blahlistics has like a front person. FOr order. Moderate, yes? Yeah. We used to have one of those. Two of those. They died, but we had thhem! Very handy. Helps um mainline the presentation. Yeah?
Like that, blahisitci?
It’s as if, while you were typing, several people were sort of looking over your shoulders saying “Hey, say this,” or “you spell the word like this,” or “WOW that’s cool!” or “don’t reveal that.”
Plus this one guy in the background racheting around in combat fatigues and a helmet and saying Mikemikemikemikemikemike. Not sure what’s up with him.
Yep, I’m the front…and it appears this is a structurally permanent thing.
I tried to let Katherine take over and it didn’t work. I was like “I WANNA NOT EXIST! THIS IS TOO FUCKING HARD!”
Katherine came out for a while, but I was here and hallucinating the whole time, it made the body exhausted and gave us a stabbing headache.
It’s a head hurt that is peculiar to switching-not like the migraines.
Those are either stab in one eye or the other.
This is sort of knitting needle at midline center of head.
I am so glad we don’t get siwtching headaches. Do get other kinds though, last for days and painkillers do nothing. Wish I kenw whhy.
Okay bed. Sleep. TOmorrow will be beter.