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JLaw's leaked nudes: For men who hate women, the violation of privacy is part of the thrill

Scumbag Reddit strikes again.
Scumbag Reddit strikes again.

If you’re a straight guy looking for “fapping” material, the internet is your friend. It’s awash in freely available pictures of naked women of every size, shape, color, age, or hairstyle you prefer. And if you want more than pictures, the internet is happy to oblige, offering up videos featuring women of every description engaging in every sex act you can imagine, and then some.

You might think this would be enough.

But for some straight dudes, it evidently isn’t. They don’t just want to look at the mind-bogglingly enormous selection of women out there who have agreed to pose naked, or even perform explicit sex acts, on camera.

No, they also want to look at women who haven’t agreed to have their nude photos put on the internet. Hence the popularity of “ex-girlfriend” or “revenge porn” sites, filled with pictures that are (or at least purport to be) of ex-girlfriends who never wanted the pictures they shared with their then-boyfriends posted for the world to see.

Hence the popularity of “leaked” celebrity nudes.

The latest celebrity nudes scandal revolves around a gigantic collection of personal pictures stolen from the supposedly secure online accounts of an assortment of female celebs (and a couple of guys).

The most famous of the celebs in this current batch are Jennifer Lawrence – Jlaw – and Kate Upton; there are many others, including alleged pics of comedian Aubrey Plaza and gymnast McKayla Maroney, which internet “detectives” are scurrying to prove are real. Maroney is only 18; if the alleged pics of her are real, and weren’t taken very recently, they’re arguably child porn.

The pics were first released by an anon on internet cesspool 4chan, and they have found a welcome home on the slightly more respectable internet cesspool Reddit, where they have been posted and reposted, sometimes retouched and color-corrected, and celebrated with enthusiasm by hundreds of thousands of Redditors.

Indeed, the leaks have inspired a new subreddit, TheFappening, which has managed to gain 100,000 subscribers in a day. Evidently Reddit’s admins have no problem with a subreddit distributing stolen celebrity pics, including some that may well be child porn.

Naturally, Reddit being Reddit, some of new members of TheFappening are trying to distract from their odiousness by suggesting that those downloading Jlaw’s stolen pics also … donate to a charity fighting prostate cancer. Either that or start up their own prostate cancer fund – to make sure they get credit for their donations.

TheJanders 224 points 2 hours ago   Holy shit the news would be amazing.. "Spreaders of leaked celebrity nude photos raise millions for prostate cancer!"      permalink     save     report     give gold     reply  [–]BiGBANGTH3ORY 47 points an hour ago   If any group of people could make that happen it would be the Reddit Army and r/TheFappening      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]TheJanders 34 points an hour ago   I shall donate! However we should make our own fund so we can 1.Tell how much we have raised on our own, and 2. Get credit

 

Sorry, guys, that doesn’t make what you’ve done ok. And if you’re truly concerned about prostate cancer, why on earth did you wait until you needed some good PR to launch a fundraising effort?

Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, meanwhile, one concerned fellow attempts to stand up for the hidden victims in the scandal: men. No, really.

Why is everyone assuming the anonymous hacker who leaked the celebs is a man? (self.MensRights)  submitted 8 hours ago by abortionalchild  What happened is fucked up. I understand the rage going on about privacy being violated, but I've been seeing a lot of people saying "This hacker, he is absolutely disgusting" and how a group of men are creating "the fappening".  I don't know if any information was released on the hacker but all I see a lot if man/boyfroend bashing  =/

Even some of the commenters feel obliged to point out that, er, the hacker almost certainly is a dude —  not just because the leak originated at 4chan, or because the overwhelming majority of the pics are of women, but also because, you know, women can’t STEM.

dfgdfgsd444 -4 points 7 hours ago   Implying women know shit about computahs.      permalink     save     give gold  [–]ConanTheHynerian 2 points 6 hours ago*   I know you're probably just joking but statistically, it's a fact that men hold most of the STEM degrees so maybe it is fair to say that most women don't know about computers and the hacker was probably a man.      permalink     save     parent     give gold  [–]FlyBunnyy 1 point 3 hours ago   Why is this getting downvoted?      permalink     save     parent     give gold  [–]elwahrio 1 point 2 hours ago   Because it sounds misogynistic

The strangest reaction to the scandal from an MRA that I’ve run across so far comes from the new Twitter account of A Voice for Men’s PR gal Janet Bloomfied (the one she created, in violation of Twitter’s rules, to get around her recent ban). After mocking celebs for taking private selfies or posing for their partners, Bloomfield posted a topless, headless picture of, presumably, herself, commenting “Is this me? Maybe. I text nothing I don’t want shared. #DontBeDumb.”

Apparently Bloomfield doesn’t quite understand the difference between posting nude photos of yourself and posting pictures of other people that have been obtained and posted without their consent. This isn’t particularly surprising, as MRAs in general seem to have trouble understanding the finer points (and the blindingly obvious points) of consent.

The enthusiasm with which so many male Redditors – and skeezy dudes in general – have greeted this latest leak of celebrity pics makes one wonder if it is not the celebrity of the women in question that is the draw but the lack of consent. After all, there are plenty of other celebrity nudes out there that the celebrities in question consented to have taken and published.

For a lot of those downloading and/or posting the pics of JLaw and Kate Upton and the rest, I suspect the real thrill comes not from seeing the nude bodies of these particular celebs – which, after all, are pretty similar to the nude bodies of porn actresses that can be found everywhere online – but from the violation of privacy that these pictures represent.

There is a real sadism here, driven in part, I suspect, by resentment that many female celebrities don’t agree to appear nude in their movies or to pose nude or topless for magazines. Sharing these stolen nudes is a way to punish JLaw and other female celebs who have so far refused to share every inch of their bodies with their male, er, fans.

It’s a toxic stew of entitlement, resentment, and misogyny. And no amount of donations to prostate cancer research will make up for it.

 

 

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kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

Super bit of irony: these “don’t give her orgasm” morons are so ignorant, there were Catholic theologians four hundred years ago who knew more about women’s sexual responses and capabilities than they do. To wit: if a woman didn’t orgasm during sex, she was quite justified in dealing with the matter herself. Granted this was because they believed orgasm meant a better chance of conception, so there was a whole lot of Wrong! going on, but they still sound less clueless and outright horrible than these imbeciles.

strivingally
6 years ago

The cynic in me thinks any attempt from these assholes to “ration orgasms” is doomed to failure because any women unfortunate enough to end up in bed with one of them is going to be so unfulfilled she’ll fake one just to get him to stop.

Kim
Kim
6 years ago

@Alais
Did you just do a gravatar? I like it.

kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

strivingally – and it’ll be the first and last time he gets anywhere near her.

kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

Kim, seconding that!

Alais, who’s the person in your avatar?

katz
6 years ago

I particularly like the prostate cancer bit. Make sure to donate to a cause that can’t possibly directly help the women in the pictures!

strivingally
6 years ago

Oh fuck I hate huge slabs of humanity sometimes.

4chan trolling to get women to post topless pix in “JLaw Solidarity” hoax.

I try not to throw around words like “evil” very often, but I’m struggling to come up with a better way of describing people who would turn a violation of women’s privacy into an opportunity to exploit more women.

Alais
6 years ago

Kim, Kitteh,

It’s Juan de Flandes’ painting of one of the daughters of Ferdinand and Isabella. It’s probably Juana, who succeeded her mother as queen of Castile in 1504 but spent most of her life after that locked up, first by her father and then by her son, on accusations of madness. I’ve also seen the sitter identified as a young Katherine of Aragon (she and Juana were sisters, so there’s definitely a resemblance), but either way, I’ve always thought that it was a cool painting.

Alais
6 years ago

Also, strivingally, I didn’t think that they could top “Donate to prostate cancer if you look at Jennifer Lawrence’s pictures” for awfulness, but apparently, they can.

AL3H
AL3H
6 years ago

So if you gave your key to your neighbor and asked them to feed your dog, and your neighbor gave your key to me, it would really be conflating the issue to think I might need you to give me consent to go in your house. I mean, you already gave consent. Consent is automatically disseminated to everyone.

Or if the key was given to the neighbour with the purpose of them feeding the dog and instead of feeding the dog they completely filled the house with pineapples.

Consent for one purpose immediately transfers to consent for a different purpose. sarcasm

On a more sensible note, my work will only publish photos on their website where all the participants and the photographer have given their permission. In addition, photos should not contain copyrighted materials. Yanno … my work website has lots and lots of really nice photos on it.

strivingally
6 years ago

I just feel sorry for the small number of women who honestly fell for it. It’s like a troll-mobbing equivalent of Lewis’ Law – “Troll campaigns to discredit feminism justify feminism”.

Aitch
Aitch
6 years ago

@belladonna

(Help. I really need to learn how to fully and properly decline zie. I’ve got the nominative and possessive now. What is the objective? Is that also zir?)

Yes, it’s zir as well; eg zie saw zir.

(That was hard to type on a tablet. Stupid patriarchal autocorrect.)

Alais
6 years ago

Shit, strivingally, people are fell for it? That’s horrible.

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

I dunno if this is going to make anyone feel better because I dunno if it even makes ME feel better. But 4channers will literally troll anyone. Misogyny is not their only dysfunction. I really hate them.

strivingally
6 years ago

Sure redpoppy, but do all the trolls take this shit as seriously as the “anti-SJW” types? With the quasi-military sounding “Operations” and the network of sockpuppets and the attempts to manipulate the media perception of groups they disagree with? They seem like particularly invested trolls…

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

Very true, strivingally. I really hate them all around but I guess I was trying to somehow…comfort myself? Lol It’s hard to take much comfort in anything related to 4chan shitheads.

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

There was that whole “anti-father’s day” debacle they started. Trying to frame feminists for it. God that pissed me off. Feminists can smell your bullshit, dudes. Because that is NOT our ideology. Not by a long shot.

strivingally
6 years ago

@redpoppy:

It’s usually their dedication to playing Oppression Olympics that gives them away. When they’re impersonating a PoC and try to pivot to racism as soon as someone questions them, for instance, as if being The Most Oppressed is a competition and being utterly immune from criticism is the prize.

It’s almost as if they don’t understand there’s a difference between things that actually affect the lives of vulnerable people, and using any axis of vulnerability as a Get Out Of Jail Free card.

kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

Alais, how cool! I’ve not seen many portraits of Isabella and Ferdinand’s family, and most of the ones I’ve seen of Katherine are the much later English pics by nowhere-near-as-skilled painters.

Trivia: Juana is my Mr K’s great-great grandmother.

Trivia #2: all Henry VIII’s wives were descendants of Edward III of England.

Belladonna993
Belladonna993
6 years ago

@aitch

Thank you!

Belladonna993
Belladonna993
6 years ago

And thank you for persevering through autocorrect! 🙂

Boogerghost
Boogerghost
6 years ago

@wordsp1nner lololololol It’s not like the “catching fire” metaphor is explicitly linked to changing political moods and revolution or anything. Hunger Games is obviously super, super subtle, which is why it never appealed to young people or spawned a line of action figures.

Not that I’m not all for more menstrual metaphors.

@redpoppy But I’d be interested to see the breakdown of how often they troll for behavior/principles (some of those could maaaaaaaaaaaybe have been at least theoretically justified, like vs. Scientology) and how often they just harrass people for some immutable part of their identity because it’s “funny.”

Belladonna993
Belladonna993
6 years ago

So half the time on this blog, I just want to quote people and then applaud them. But that seems kind of silly. So just, thanks to all of you!

Matthew Cline
Matthew Cline
6 years ago

4chan trolling to get women to post topless pix in “JLaw Solidarity” hoax.

Wow. Stay classy, 4chan, stay classy.

Alais
6 years ago

Kitteh,

Trivia: Juana is my Mr K’s great-great grandmother.

Ooh! You’re right. I’d never realized that genealogical connection was there. But then I always forget that Marie de Medici’s mother was an Austrian archduchess.

Trivia #2: all Henry VIII’s wives were descendants of Edward III of England.

That I did know! I love the Tudors, and the stories of Henry VIII’s wives were some of the first historical tales that I really got into, and a couple history bloggers have traced all of their English royal. pedigrees. http://tudorqueen6.wordpress.com/2012/09/22/english-ancestry-of-the-six-wives-descent-from-edward-i/

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I really don’t understand how fire makes sense as a menstruation metaphor. The more appropriate element is earth I should think. I also think it’s hilarious that so many men think we lose horror movie amounts of blood during our periods.

Alais
6 years ago

Strivingally

It’s almost as if they don’t understand there’s a difference between things that actually affect the lives of vulnerable people, and using any axis of vulnerability as a Get Out Of Jail Free card.

Great point. It also explains why they’re convinced that being a minority confers “victim privileges.”

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

If fire was a metaphor for anything crotch-related it would be a urinary tract infection or something else that causes a burning feeling. Menstruation does not burn.

The blood also doesn’t come out looking like flames, just in case any confused lurking bros were wondering.

Shadow_Nirvana
6 years ago

Nice post. Again, sorry for raining on your cat-labour day, that post was pretty awesome too.

But 100,000 subscribers on that subreddit? Meaning at least 100,000 people with disregard for others’ rights. Hmmm.

Do I want to open those Redpill threads? “Pop dat pussy” and “Why feminazis are so buttdevastated about the pictures”. Really dudes,really? The breaching of people’s privacy isn’t bad enough for you?

And that 4chan twitter shit(the topless pics, end father’s day, etc). God, I hope noone fell for it. Is it just me who wishes that we could criminalize such unscrupulous actions?

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

They seem to think overall that being a victim means being privileged. Being an oppressed minority means “free stuff.” They truly live in a completely different world. One where they “suffer” everyday because they have to “work” for everything they want and they feel nobody is “nice” to them or “pities” them enough. I just….all of my can’t. .

kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

Really dudes,really? The breaching of people’s privacy isn’t bad enough for you?

Ah, but women aren’t people, to these creeps.

Jo
Jo
6 years ago

I think it would be helpful to popularise the term ‘non-consensual porn’.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

We could keep creepshots and just make it clear that nope, that’s not a just kidding kind of thing, most people really do think the guys who take/share those are creeps, especially if they’re women. If you want the word “porn” included then “violation porn” or “boundary violation porn” pretty much sums it up. That’s what people are getting off on, the violation of boundaries, not the nudity.

strivingally
6 years ago

I like that, cassandrakitty. “non-consensual porn” kind of softens the offence, just like “non-consensual sex” is less confronting and appropriate to the offence than “rape”.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Yeah, “non-consensual porn” is too wishy-washy. If we’re going to make the effort to call this shit out then hey, let’s actually call it what it is.

Shadow_Nirvana
6 years ago

Also, one more thing. Remember the people who were accusing Zoe Quinn of rape because “his exbf didn’t consent to having sex with someone who was cheating on him.” Fair point and I believe Quinn herself had made a similar point in her texts with the ex-bf.

But how many of those people do you think are now sharing and/or downloading private pictures of celebrities?

kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago
scarlettpipstrelle
6 years ago

Meanwhile over on The Spearhead, someone calling himself “evilmaleempire” says. “The core premise of feminist rape politics is the idea that a certain group of people not only have the right to cruelly hold raw meat over a hungry dog’s head but have the right to not expect to get their fingers nipped in the process much less get their hand bit clean off.”

WHAT did he just say about men? Yet the MRAs think that males should have ALL the authority in society.

Next up, “Shiva1008” says, “While I don’t condone [Elliot] Rodger’s actions, I understand his pain. Such pain is experienced by millions in a technologically advanced society that has reverted to the law of the jungle. The more interesting aspect of Rodger’s case is that he gave a voice to this pain, the pain of being a meaningless male in a hypergamous society.”
[http://www.the-spearhead.com/2014/09/01/splc-evokes-elliot-rodger-to-smear-mras/]

Overall, I’m not surprised at the defense of the photo leak, seeing as how the MRAs get off on the violation of boundaries like kids sneaking out after curfew. Their mentality is just childish overall. And Price is disingenuous here. By allowing such comments, while pretending to be a voice of reason amongst the MRAs, he’s actually providing support for such views while pretending to be more reasonable. (his board is moderated)

scarlettpipstrelle
6 years ago

And MRAs can’t or won’t fact-check. It’s whatever they feel is true, must be true – just as they accuse women of doing.

marinerachel
marinerachel
6 years ago

I had a date on Friday night at a taquería. Things were going great. We went back to his place. We were making out on his couch when we started undressing one another. Unfortunately, it became apparent when he yanked down my pants that, well, I’d caught fire. Things didn’t progress beyond that point. His bedroom doesn’t have a window. It would have been painful for both of us.

kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

Nonono, you’ve all got it wrong. Catching fire is what happens when you’re scalded from having the trots and having to scrape with dunny paper too often.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Random – was shopping for shoes just now and saw one named “Dundy”, so now I’m picturing someone trying to wipe their ass with a platform sneaker.

Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

I have a cat curled up around, and on, my hand, Nivi is lumbering around zir tank, and all is right in my world. These guys can have a weaponized cat, I’ll get her all good and feisty if someone will point her in their direction!

saphy
saphy
6 years ago

marinerachel: I’m really hoping that you’re using David’s definition of ‘catching fire’ in that story there 😛

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

If someone were to make a movie about menstruation, it would be more like “Catching Liver”. Menstrual blood isn’t always bright red.

Whenever these guys spout off about anything connected with sex or reproduction, it comes across like an urban legend. Snopes needs to have a special section for debunking MRA nonsense.

marinerachel
marinerachel
6 years ago

True story: I was drunkenly loving upon the gentleman’s cat on Friday night, holding her up in the air and telling her how lovely she is, and I must have forgotten I was in a basement suite because I smacked her into the ceiling. :/ She was fine but perturbed, obvs. I looked at her man, horrified, and apologised profusely. He told me to apologise to her. I told her how sorry I was and gave her many kisses but it wasn’t enough. She has rejected me.

When we went out for breakfast the next morning, when I went to wash my hands in the bathroom, I noted she had vommed all over the back of my jeans. I deserved that.

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

Apparently Bloomfield doesn’t quite understand the difference between posting nude photos of yourself and posting pictures of other people that have been obtained and posted without their consent. This isn’t particularly surprising, as MRAs in general seem to have trouble understanding the finer points (and the blindingly obvious points) of consent.

Nobody would ever suggest to a victim of identity theft that they shouldn’t have been using the Internet for online banking, or using credit cards at places like Target or TJ Maxx (both of which have had issues with stolen credit card information).

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Yep, sorry, but cat anger consequences were to be expected there.

CattyGal
CattyGal
6 years ago

Seems there are literally hundreds and hundreds of people on the Daily Mail in the UK blaming the women for posing naked in the first place and not saying a single word about how creepy the hacker is to even attempt to take their personal photos and try and sell them. People really fuck me off royally when they miss the glaringly obvious point that HE committed the damn crime. Not the victims! How bloody ignorant and stupid are these idiots who write this crap? Mind you it is the Daily Misogynist I suppose. The world’s gone mad.