Categories
a voice for men a woman is always to blame antifeminist women are these guys 12 years old? consent is hard creepy doxing evil sexy ladies harassment judgybitch men who should not ever be with women ever misogyny MRA pedophiles oh sorry ephebophiles rape culture reddit self-congratulation sexual exploitation sexual harassment

JLaw's leaked nudes: For men who hate women, the violation of privacy is part of the thrill

Scumbag Reddit strikes again.
Scumbag Reddit strikes again.

If you’re a straight guy looking for “fapping” material, the internet is your friend. It’s awash in freely available pictures of naked women of every size, shape, color, age, or hairstyle you prefer. And if you want more than pictures, the internet is happy to oblige, offering up videos featuring women of every description engaging in every sex act you can imagine, and then some.

You might think this would be enough.

But for some straight dudes, it evidently isn’t. They don’t just want to look at the mind-bogglingly enormous selection of women out there who have agreed to pose naked, or even perform explicit sex acts, on camera.

No, they also want to look at women who haven’t agreed to have their nude photos put on the internet. Hence the popularity of “ex-girlfriend” or “revenge porn” sites, filled with pictures that are (or at least purport to be) of ex-girlfriends who never wanted the pictures they shared with their then-boyfriends posted for the world to see.

Hence the popularity of “leaked” celebrity nudes.

The latest celebrity nudes scandal revolves around a gigantic collection of personal pictures stolen from the supposedly secure online accounts of an assortment of female celebs (and a couple of guys).

The most famous of the celebs in this current batch are Jennifer Lawrence – Jlaw – and Kate Upton; there are many others, including alleged pics of comedian Aubrey Plaza and gymnast McKayla Maroney, which internet “detectives” are scurrying to prove are real. Maroney is only 18; if the alleged pics of her are real, and weren’t taken very recently, they’re arguably child porn.

The pics were first released by an anon on internet cesspool 4chan, and they have found a welcome home on the slightly more respectable internet cesspool Reddit, where they have been posted and reposted, sometimes retouched and color-corrected, and celebrated with enthusiasm by hundreds of thousands of Redditors.

Indeed, the leaks have inspired a new subreddit, TheFappening, which has managed to gain 100,000 subscribers in a day. Evidently Reddit’s admins have no problem with a subreddit distributing stolen celebrity pics, including some that may well be child porn.

Naturally, Reddit being Reddit, some of new members of TheFappening are trying to distract from their odiousness by suggesting that those downloading Jlaw’s stolen pics also … donate to a charity fighting prostate cancer. Either that or start up their own prostate cancer fund – to make sure they get credit for their donations.

TheJanders 224 points 2 hours ago   Holy shit the news would be amazing.. "Spreaders of leaked celebrity nude photos raise millions for prostate cancer!"      permalink     save     report     give gold     reply  [–]BiGBANGTH3ORY 47 points an hour ago   If any group of people could make that happen it would be the Reddit Army and r/TheFappening      permalink     save     parent     report     give gold     reply  [–]TheJanders 34 points an hour ago   I shall donate! However we should make our own fund so we can 1.Tell how much we have raised on our own, and 2. Get credit

 

Sorry, guys, that doesn’t make what you’ve done ok. And if you’re truly concerned about prostate cancer, why on earth did you wait until you needed some good PR to launch a fundraising effort?

Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, meanwhile, one concerned fellow attempts to stand up for the hidden victims in the scandal: men. No, really.

Why is everyone assuming the anonymous hacker who leaked the celebs is a man? (self.MensRights)  submitted 8 hours ago by abortionalchild  What happened is fucked up. I understand the rage going on about privacy being violated, but I've been seeing a lot of people saying "This hacker, he is absolutely disgusting" and how a group of men are creating "the fappening".  I don't know if any information was released on the hacker but all I see a lot if man/boyfroend bashing  =/

Even some of the commenters feel obliged to point out that, er, the hacker almost certainly is a dude —  not just because the leak originated at 4chan, or because the overwhelming majority of the pics are of women, but also because, you know, women can’t STEM.

dfgdfgsd444 -4 points 7 hours ago   Implying women know shit about computahs.      permalink     save     give gold  [–]ConanTheHynerian 2 points 6 hours ago*   I know you're probably just joking but statistically, it's a fact that men hold most of the STEM degrees so maybe it is fair to say that most women don't know about computers and the hacker was probably a man.      permalink     save     parent     give gold  [–]FlyBunnyy 1 point 3 hours ago   Why is this getting downvoted?      permalink     save     parent     give gold  [–]elwahrio 1 point 2 hours ago   Because it sounds misogynistic

The strangest reaction to the scandal from an MRA that I’ve run across so far comes from the new Twitter account of A Voice for Men’s PR gal Janet Bloomfied (the one she created, in violation of Twitter’s rules, to get around her recent ban). After mocking celebs for taking private selfies or posing for their partners, Bloomfield posted a topless, headless picture of, presumably, herself, commenting “Is this me? Maybe. I text nothing I don’t want shared. #DontBeDumb.”

Apparently Bloomfield doesn’t quite understand the difference between posting nude photos of yourself and posting pictures of other people that have been obtained and posted without their consent. This isn’t particularly surprising, as MRAs in general seem to have trouble understanding the finer points (and the blindingly obvious points) of consent.

The enthusiasm with which so many male Redditors – and skeezy dudes in general – have greeted this latest leak of celebrity pics makes one wonder if it is not the celebrity of the women in question that is the draw but the lack of consent. After all, there are plenty of other celebrity nudes out there that the celebrities in question consented to have taken and published.

For a lot of those downloading and/or posting the pics of JLaw and Kate Upton and the rest, I suspect the real thrill comes not from seeing the nude bodies of these particular celebs – which, after all, are pretty similar to the nude bodies of porn actresses that can be found everywhere online – but from the violation of privacy that these pictures represent.

There is a real sadism here, driven in part, I suspect, by resentment that many female celebrities don’t agree to appear nude in their movies or to pose nude or topless for magazines. Sharing these stolen nudes is a way to punish JLaw and other female celebs who have so far refused to share every inch of their bodies with their male, er, fans.

It’s a toxic stew of entitlement, resentment, and misogyny. And no amount of donations to prostate cancer research will make up for it.

 

 

Subscribe
Notify of
guest

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

242 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Belladonna993
Belladonna993
6 years ago

The enthusiasm with which so many male Redditors – and skeezy dudes in general – have greeted this latest leak of celebrity pics makes one wonder if it is not the celebrity of the women in question that is the draw but the lack of consent.

Some of the thrill and power of rape without the pesky legal hazards! What’s not to love?

seattlegirlsk
6 years ago

Reblogged this on seattlegirlsk transplanted and commented:
Spoken so well.

Belladonna993
Belladonna993
6 years ago

Just in case: I do hope my dripping sarcasm and disgust were abundantly evident in my last post.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

Donations to prostate cancer funds is not going to magically transform these wankers into Robin Hood.

Jenny (@dontgiveah00t)

I agree. At least part of the enjoyment of the pics is the fact that JLaw didn’t intend them to be seen. For some people, it’s the violation of a boundary (either explicitly set or implied by common convention) that is the thrill. Remember how Matt Forney posted that “How to Crush a Girl’s Self-Esteem” that included recommendations to continually violate any boundaries she set (up to and including recommending nonconsensually fingering her anally if she told you she didn’t want anal) and explicitly included the line “The message you want to send her is simple: it’s not her body anymore”. Now they can finally feel that they ‘own’ JLaw’s body by taking something she didn’t explicitly offer.

Alais
6 years ago

So, if an MRA gets his or her identity stolen because the hacker exploiting the flaw in the Find My Phone app to steal celebrity nudes decides to also steal credit card information, is the MRA being dumb for doing business online while having an iPhone that sync with his or her computer? Or is it only the victim’s fault when the crime is committed against the body?

Alais
6 years ago

Ugh. *syncs

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

Since these morons seem to think naked women must be accessible at all times, may I suggest Ferengi culture? Women don’t wear clothes. Ever. In fact, female Ferengi were forbidden to learn to read, acquire profit, as well as talk to strangers. Sounds like an MRA paradise. I suggest we send them to Ferenginar. However, I would still feel really terrible for Ferengi women.

Flipper
Flipper
6 years ago

Tsk, they try to make up for their misogyny by donating money to a cause that benefits men?

Alais
6 years ago

And now I’ve been reminded that Matt Forney exists and spends his blog time advocating emotional, physical, and sexual abuse. He honestly seems worse to me than every other writer on the manosphere, even Roosh.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Victim blaming always makes me somewhat ill, but it makes me extra-ill when it’s so obvious and clear that the victim did nothing even unusual.

A few years ago there was a little dust-up in which a dude who owned a hotel was secretly filming his guests while they were going about their business privately in the rooms, and some footage of women walking around unclothed or just in bra/underwear wound up being leaked somewhere. Some folks came out to declare that those women were more or less asking for it by … taking their clothes off in a hotel room, with the door closed and locked.

JB’s comments remind me of that. She’s shaming women for … having bodies in private. It’s not just that the victims did nothing wrong; they did nothing strange, either. Nothing that sets them apart from countless other women, but JB feels like it is OK to shame them for doing a normal thing in private. It brings an extra level of queasy.

Belladonna993
Belladonna993
6 years ago

Remember how Matt Forney posted that “How to Crush a Girl’s Self-Esteem”

Actually, I was blissfully unaware of Matt Forney before now. I’m starting to get how men could have a hard time seeing women as human beings. It’s certainly hard, sometimes, for me to remember that these types of guys are human beings. In fact, I’m not completely sure they do meet my definition of human.

tesformes
6 years ago

I just posted a thread on this topic on AskReddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2f7jvx/if_reddit_is_so_antinsa_antispying_and_proprivacy/

No responses, as of yet. Seems that people are tired of talking about The Fappening,

Alais
6 years ago

I keep hoping that Matt Forney isn’t actually human but rather a highly advanced internet bot designed by feminists who want everyone who stumbles across the Manosphere without already subscribing to its philosophy understands that they are actually, literally advocating rape and abuse.

Alais
6 years ago

And testformes, I can’t wait to see the responses to that thread. Let’s see them try to explain why what happened to Jennifer Lawrence is her fault because she had nude pictures somewhere that could be accessed through her iCloud but it’s not that their fault that they’re getting spied on when they could just live completely off the grid and never use cellphones or the internet.

BigMomma
BigMomma
6 years ago

I’ve been reading about this on The Guardian (supposedly leftie, feminist newspaper) and the BTL comments are overwhelmingly saying that:

a) she deserved it for being stupid enough to upload her pics
b) she has no right to privacy because she’s a famous actress
c) she either leaked the pics herself or agreed to it
d) what’s the problem anyway because men like to look at naked women because evo-psych.

Throw in some mulch about women being crap at computing and that’s why the hackers were male and she couldn’t protect her account.

Donal (@ChicaneryBear)

@tesformes, the thread has already been removed. /r/AssCredit is one of Reddit’s biggest cesspools, after /r/videos, /r/AdviceAnimals, /r/funny, /r/pics… Well most of the other defaults. Obviously subreddits like /r/GreatApes are completely horrible places, but their user bases are far smaller and they aren’t default subreddits that regularly make it to the the front page of /r/all.

Lee
Lee
6 years ago

I’ve even seen one comment on Twitter (of course) saying it was JLaw’s fault for using Apple products. Look, man, I’m not crazy about post-iPhone Apple myself, but that’s no excuse to go spreading around nudes of people without their permission.

vaiyt
6 years ago

Reddit really does out-4chan 4chan in every aspect.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

“Women don’t know about computers…”

What the ever-loving fuck?

Alais
6 years ago

d) what’s the problem anyway because men like to look at naked women because ego-psych.

This is just depressing. I’ve seen the same type of argument used to justify rape as a valid mating strategy if you can’t have consensual sex. And this type of shit is exactly how I know that they don’t care about male rape victims, no matter how much they claim to care, because every single fucking excuse that they use to explain what constitutes rape, why women getting raped is really the women’s fault, why feminists create rape, and pretty much every other way that they justify the rape of women can be used to justify the rape of men and contributes to a culture that blames and/or erases rape victims, whether they be male, female, or non-binary. But of course the MHRM movement hasn’t actually thought any of its shit through.

Jenny (@dontgiveah00t)

Since these morons seem to think naked women must be accessible at all times, may I suggest Ferengi culture? Women don’t wear clothes. Ever. In fact, female Ferengi were forbidden to learn to read, acquire profit, as well as talk to strangers. Sounds like an MRA paradise. I suggest we send them to Ferenginar. However, I would still feel really terrible for Ferengi women.

Let’s see how well they do in an entire culture based on the free market so many of them profess to adore. I have a feeling that wouldn’t go so well for them because they have much less to offer than they think they do.

cloudiah
6 years ago

I just want to remind people of a comment in /r/AMR about this subject:

I remember being linked to a thread in one of reddit’s many creepshot subreddits that was posted by a man who had his girlfriend pose in a provocative way the uploaded the picture(with or without consent I don’t know all I know is she clearly knew the picture was being taken of her in her underwear and did not mind). All of the comments were complaining she knew she was being photographed and that wasn’t the point of the subreddit and that her knowledge and consent to the picture was a TURN OFF.

These dudes are predators, plain and simple.

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

Jenny, I know, right? I was thinking the same thing. The Ferengi are SUPER into free-market capitalism. And they’re REALLY good at it. At the end of the day, those MRAs would probably be curled up in the fetal position and crying.

Jenny (@dontgiveah00t)

cloudiah – yup. The entire point is that the woman did not consent to them seeing the pics and may not have even consented to having them taken in the first place. It says something that that creepshot reddit couldn’t even be satisfied with the idea that even if the pic was taken with her consent, she may not have consented to her bf posting it.

Jenny (@dontgiveah00t)

redpoppy – not to mention that I strongly doubt that Ferengi culture has much in the way of support for those who fail to acquire wealth. So the benefits that they love to complain about that help support the poor would not exist for them when they themselves needed it.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
6 years ago

Right, bad stuff happens to other people because they’re stupid or weak or whatever. None of that will ever happen to me because I’m smart and strong and stuff. I feel so comforted, and relieved of the burden of caring about other people’s problems or feeling the need to improve the world!

I just glanced through JB’s new twitter. Holy cow, she does nothing but think about feminism 24/7.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

All of the comments were complaining she knew she was being photographed and that wasn’t the point of the subreddit and that her knowledge and consent to the picture was a TURN OFF.

Because consent is sooooo haaaaaard! And having to get it makes Misogynus Boner sad.

Alais
6 years ago

@cloudiah

Good point. Salon sums it up pretty well here: http://www.salon.com/2014/03/02/doxxing_victim_this_isn’t_about_porn_this_is_about_humiliation/

None of this is about porn. Like David said, if it were about porn, hackers would never go after private photos. There are plenty of women taking off their clothes and having sex in front of the camera with the full knowledge that anyone can see the pictures and/or the videos. Hell, there are plenty of celebrities who pose nude or have topless and/or naked scenes in their movies. It’s not even really about the celebrity at this point. If they want naked celebrities that badly, there are still plenty of naked pictures of celebrities out there that the celebrities in question willingly shared.

cloudiah
6 years ago

@Alais, I was just going to post that same article.

damselindetech
6 years ago

I’ve been getting into fights over this bullshit all day. This is the result:

http://damsel-in-de-tech.blogspot.com/2014/09/stolen-nudes-and-new-peeping-toms.html

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

Jenny, yeah. Their society is VERY Ayn Randian. If you can’t do it yourself, too bad. And I’m guessing they can’t. Boy would they whine about it.

Alais
6 years ago

Because consent is sooooo haaaaaard! And having to get it makes Misogynus Boner sad.

I think that it’s even worse than that in this case. The consent isn’t hard here, and they know that the woman consented to having her picture. They specifically want the lack of consent, and they’re mad that she agreed to let her boyfriend take the photo because already having gotten consent gives their boners a sad.

Alais
6 years ago

Should say “They can’t claim that the consent is hard here because they know that the woman consented to having her picture taken.”

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Is there anything we could do to stop “ex girlfriend” “revenge porn” and other disgusting sites?

Alex M
Alex M
6 years ago

@tesformes

Looks like your thread was deleted because freedom of speech or something.

Alais
6 years ago

Fruitloopsie, activists have gotten some major revenge porn sites taken down before.
http://jezebel.com/one-womans-dangerous-war-against-the-most-hated-man-on-1469240835

Lee
Lee
6 years ago

fruitloopsie: A few places already have laws against that sort of thing, though the exact wording varies.

kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago
pendraegon
pendraegon
6 years ago

@redpoppy Aaaaaaand now I’m going to be having terrible nightmares of fedora wearing ferengi’s trying to explain why human trafficking laws actually victimize men. 😛

lkeke35
6 years ago

@zoon echon: yes this is an excuse for apathy I’ve seen in every forum about anything bad ever happening to anyone, anywhere in the world. It’s some people’s default position in order to feel good about themselves, I guess. The whole idea being bc they’re law-abiding, they will never be shot by the police. Bc they’re not dumb, no one will ever leak their private information on the internet. Bc they’re not weak, they’ll never be sexually assaulted.

No bad thing in the world will ever happen to them bc they’re the pinnacle of human evolution. (An interesting note is that these are the exact same people who believe in some form of apocalypse and that they will be one of the tough and intelligent survivors who rebuild civilization out of the rubble. This mainly seems to involve rebuilding the race through the sexual assault of whatever women are left alive. Just a side-note.)

An addendum to this “philosophy” is the idea that bad things have always happened to people and will always happen so why try to do anything about it.

chaltab
chaltab
6 years ago

@ pendraegon well obviously *human* trafficking laws victimize men, and also women but Ferengi care about neither. They’d probably be a bit miffed about Ferengi trafficking laws though.

pendraegon
pendraegon
6 years ago

@chaltab lol Unfortunately I recently had to listen to a “libertarian” vomit his ideas at me about how human trafficking laws really just victimize men who can be prosecuted more harshly based on the distance the “product” had traveled. And then I had to spend about an hour playing with my guinea pigs to drown out the despair.

Lids
6 years ago

Ugh I can’t say I like JLaw as a person but no one deserves this. People getting off to this are gross and already have a rapist’s mentality – the violation is what they want. I am very glad I don’t use soundcloud though heesh. My nudes stay between me and my two best friends, thanks. Stuff like this makes me super paranoid and upset.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Alias, lee and Kittenserf
Thanks, it’s nice to know there are brave and good people out there making the world just a little bit better.

Matthew Cline
Matthew Cline
6 years ago

I had Twitter conversations with two people who basically said “if she didn’t want the photos getting out, she shouldn’t have kept them on an online/connected device”. With both of them I brought up the issue of online banking for comparison. One of them seemed to think that “online banking” means banks using the Internet to do financial transactions with other banks and credit card processors and such, and seemed completely unaware that people will use their home computers to do banking; I’m still unsure if he was actually that clueless, or if he was being disingenuous. The other replied that keeping nude selfies on a device is a lot less common than online banking, so I asked him if storing nude selfies on a device makes the device more likely to be hacked, since otherwise his statement was a non-sequitur; he has yet to reply to my question.

Alais
6 years ago

@Pendragon

Ugh. Libertarians, people aren’t products. I’d expect y’all to know this, what with your emphasis on muh freedums and all. But then I suppose that the really extreme libertarians see sexual slavery as a profitable business that should not be curtailed, especially not businesses that might someday keep their boners from getting a sad.

@Fruitloopsie,

Agreed. It’s always refreshing when someone’s persistence and activism accomplishes something.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
6 years ago

It seems like if there is any risk of a man choosing to do something bad to a woman (rape, hacking/releasing nudes, sexual harassment) we cannot condemn the man unless the woman never did anything that might have made it possible, no matter how ordinary a behavior it is (walking down the street, having alcohol at a party, having nekkid pictures of yourself on your phone.)

Funny, I don’t see this kind of advice being given to victims of ungendered crimes, like the common mass credit-card hackings or to victims of break ins. “Oh, you should pay for everything in cash and not live in that (wealthy/poor/urban/rural) neighborhood.”

Lee
Lee
6 years ago

It’s like people have suddenly taken a time warp back to 1995, where everyone still does everything important offline, and no one in their right mind would trust anything to those rapscallions on that there Interweb! Just…have they been living under a rock the past 20 years?

Alais
6 years ago

@Matthew Cline

If nothing else, I can’t figure why people aren’t freaking the fuck out over the idea that someone might get their credit card and banking info. It’s amazing just how important victim-blaming is to them.

1 2 3 5