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I don’t do enough link posts. Or any, really. (I mean, I think I’ve done a few, but that was years ago.) Anyway, I’ve decided to remedy that. So here are some interesting and/or appalling recent stories I’ve run across. Add more in comments!

Fanboys, White Knights, and the Hairball of Online Misogyny, by Tauriq Moosa at The Daily Beast.

You Can’t Fight Rape With Nail Polish, by Kate Harding at Dame.

Answering questions asked of feminists by a misogynist, by Amanda Marcotte at The Raw Story.

College dudes worried that movement to take rape seriously is ruining their sex lives, by Katie McDonough at Salon.

The Chilling Effect of Misogynistic Trolls, by Victoria Turk at Motherboard.

Disney World Princess Does Reddit AMA; Receives Creepy Messages, Of Course, by Kelly Faircloth at Jezebel.

Also, while I’m plugging things, I want to mention the GiveForward campaign to raise money to help pay the medical expenses of Christy Mack, the porn actress now recovering from a savage beating (allegedly) at the hands of her ex-boyfriend, the MMA fighter/ex-porn actor/convicted felon War Machine. (Note: Link contains picture of the injured Mack.)

 

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Bina
Bina
6 years ago

A little something I blogged this morning, after getting a wee bit pissed off last night about all the entitlement and presumption that I’ve observed going ’round.

ikanreed
ikanreed
6 years ago

I know this going to come of as apologism, but it’s intended as the opposite. I wish we could scientifically quantify and prove the harm the misogynistic types on the internet do. Because while it’s intuitive to me how harmful it is, my intuition doesn’t do a lot to convince people.

(not that I perceive misogynists as being particularly swayed by facts either)

damselindetech
6 years ago

I have rather practical concerns about the drug-detected nail polish. Namely: Norwalk. I wonder what public health officials think of encouraging millions of girls to dunk their dirty digits into their daquiris.

http://damsel-in-de-tech.blogspot.ca/2014/08/anti-rape-nail-polish-good-way-to.html

ej
ej
6 years ago

@damselindetech I agree! I don’t want to have to stick my fingers in my drink. I know how diseases spread. No to mention the fact that someone could slip something into your drink at almost any time, meaning you might as well sit at the bar with you finger in your drink all night. Sounds like a fun evening, huh?

tesformes
6 years ago

I don’t like the idea of the nail polish because its going to give people a false sense of security. The chemical reaction that causes the color change can be circumvented by a clever chemist, and there are plenty in the drug game willing to do it for money. Just think of all the different synthetic cannabinoids being sold in head shops, each one made slightly different to avoid detection.

ej
ej
6 years ago

@tesformes Another excellent point. Also, the most common drug used in sexual assaults is alcohol. What we commonly think of as date rape drugs are only used in a small percentage of cases. Therefore, the nail polish would be useless in most cases.

tinyorc
6 years ago

@damselindetech, RIGHT!? Have these guys ever been to the average bar bathroom? The handwashing facilities are usually dubious at best.

vaiyt
6 years ago

And there’s cases of bar staff spiking women’s drinks as they are made. Which means not even holding your drink at all times is going to make you safe either.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

While we’re linking things, dies anyone know of a blog that reviews horror movies from a feminist perspective? I’d be interested in reading something like that and if it doesn’t exist maybe I’ll start my own.

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
6 years ago

This thread seemed like the appropriate place to post a link to a page I’ve wanted to discuss:

The Wikipedia entry for “Man Cave”

The entry reads like it was written by a group of MRAs trying hard to appear neutral, but unable to avoid numerous gender assumptions, like so:

Man caves have multiple purposes: they are a place to be alone, to be away from women and from female sensibilities, to indulge in hobbies, and to hang out with male friends. It is, loosely, a male-only space to retreat to watch sports matches, or play video games.

OH THOSE HORRIBLE WOMENZ STOP MENZ FROM HAVING FUNZZIES! NEED — SAFE — SPACE!!!!!!

The whole page is worth a look for its assumption of women crushing men’s freedom. (Also, people with more Wikipedia skills than me should help restore NPOV on it.)

Karalora
Karalora
6 years ago

I have no problem in theory with the concept of a “man-cave” – everyone benefits from having a space of their own, where their tastes and sensibilities dominate and no one can enter without their express permission. In a traditional heterosexual couple, “the home” is the woman’s domain, under her aesthetic control, and it will be the guy who is more in need of a space set aside for himself. So far, so good.

It’s the idea that he needs it because women are inherently buzzkills – rather than because all humans need privacy and a place to be themselves – that grinds my nerves.

Cthulhu's Intern
6 years ago

You know, at first, I thought that “College dudes worried that movement to take rape seriously is ruining their sex lives” was a headline from the Onion. Nope.

cloudiah
6 years ago

Breaking scandal: Hello Kitty is not a cat.

Tauriq Moosa (@tauriqmoosa)

Thanks for linking to my Beast piece!

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
6 years ago

Well, I’ve had to tell people often that Godzilla is not, in fact, a dinosaur (or male or female), so I can see the sort of shock waves this piece of Japanese cultural revealation will send through the world. (My co-worker first brought my attention to the Hello Kitty scandal-bomb yesterday.)

taitaisanchez
6 years ago

You know, threatening rape and death at people just feels so impotent and feckless, but then I think about Elliott Rodger and really when death is on the line, who wants to go against that? We all aren’t Sicilian.

Alex M
Alex M
6 years ago

One article that seems to have angered the douchebags the most is Video Games, Misogyny, And Terrorism: A Guide To Assholes on Badass Digest. It is a no-holds-barred, no excuses takedown of everything wrong with video game culture that never once pretends there’s a quantum of validity in the abusers’ “worldview”. The last line in particular perfectly summarizes why this is a battle worth fighting:

“Because these cancerous fucks don’t get to claim the word ‘gamer’.”

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
6 years ago

That Badass Digest article is seriously awesome.

Badass Digest, on one of their policy pages, has this: “MRAs, considered yourselves pre-banned.”

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
6 years ago

WWTH, I don’t know about a blog like that but if you haven’t seen it before, Siskel and Ebert did a special edition of their show in 1980 where they talked about misogyny in horror movies. It’s on YouTube. I really like what they have to say, but it’s also very depressing when you think of how little progress has been made 36 years later.

As a sidenote, I also really recommend the new documentary about Roger Ebert, “Life Itself.” It’s not much to do with feminism. But his wife kicks ass.

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
6 years ago

Um, 34 years later. I love math.

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
6 years ago

Also, I find the opening sequence of the show pretty fascinating to watch. Did people really use to get their soft drinks from coin vending machines at the movie theaters? I was already born by 1980, but I don’t remember that.

Alex M
Alex M
6 years ago

@Cassie’s Major Domo

That was from The 11 Satanic Rules Of Badass Digest, which I don’t think is really intended as a “policy” but is still illuminating. Even just that one line was enough to get them in the MRA radar, which lead to this follow-up article about the men’s rights movement. I think it undersells MRA awfulness, but any site that is willing to specifically call out and denounce assholes is already on the right path.

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
6 years ago

@Alex M

I love that Badass Digests considers it a victory to have MRAs hate them:

So these are the guys who think white men are really having a tough go of it at the moment, and they think that this site – and its community of smart, engaged progressive nerds – is an enemy. I couldn’t be happier. Congratulations, friends, we’re the good guys. It’s official.

I remember 2 years ago they ended up on Stormfront’s radar because of this post about some recent MOD DVDs. That comment thread turned nasty.

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
6 years ago

Did people really use to get their soft drinks from coin vending machines at the movie theaters?

There were still a few of those when I was a young kid (late ’70s), mostly in a few theaters holding onto the old style.

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
6 years ago

I am perplexed by the insistence that Hello Kitty can’t be a cat because she walks on two legs, not four. Is Mickey not a Mouse, then? Is Bugs not a Bunny?

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
6 years ago

Is Mickey not a Mouse, then? Is Bugs not a Bunny?

Is Elmer not a Fudd?

(Sorry, had to.)

DJG
DJG
6 years ago

@Chthulhu’s Intern – I thought the picture looked a bit like three of the Monkees.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Hello Kitty is not a kitty? Mind blown but it looks nothing like a human girl. Maybe it’s cosplay?

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

‘She’ not ‘it’

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Tauriq, thanks for that piece. I especially liked this bit:

The rage of misogyny is to me the dying cries of a wounded beast. But such a beast still has claws. It can still draw blood. That’s not a reason, then, to be apathetic. It continues to happen and it doesn’t stop it being horrible every single time.

Yes, yes, and YES. Now where did I put my dragon-slaying lance…?

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

Elmer is absolutely a Fudd(dyduddy).

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
6 years ago

There has definitely been a lot of show-your-true-stripesy-ness around the internet lately. I lost several “friends” due to them being Ferguson racists, and now I’m losing more due to them being Sarkeesian sexists.

Today someone tried to post a “rebuttal” to one of the articles saying that “Gamers are over”. It was very long winded, but it’s basic message was: “Threatening to murder people on the internet is bad but so is a lack of journalistic integrity, and calling gamers jerks is a terrible injustice, so I think the real solution here is that everyone should stop caring about things and just shut up. Except me.”

Ignorant white dudes sure do like solutions to injustice that involve throwing your hands up in the air and claiming that caring too much is the real problem. True South Park activism.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

The first time I read about something that could be called a man cave, it was about the Duke of Windsor. He and the Duchess lived in a house in Paris, decorated and maintained by the Duchess (and a staff of servants) with understated opulence. He had a spare bathroom, with a board over the bathtub and a wooden chair. It was the one room she wasn’t allowed to touch.

These whiners don’t know how good they have it.

Tessa
Tessa
6 years ago

The first part of the disney princess story was adorable, and I shoulda stopped reading before it got bad. Still, the Emily story was so cute.

As for the nail polish, first ew at sticking your fingers in your drink. How long do you have to keep it in the drink before it changes colors? If this became popular, how long until men start ranting about women not trusting them and testing their drinks? And of course, well… “So you were drugged? You know there is this nail polish that can detect that. Maybe you should’ve invested in that.”

dustedeste
dustedeste
6 years ago

@Robert – Was it a hard wooden chair, though?

kittehserf - MOD
kittehserf - MOD
6 years ago

@Robert – Was it a hard wooden chair, though?

::dies::

ej
ej
6 years ago
Malitia
Malitia
6 years ago

That “Hello Kitty is not a cat” story reminds me of my own stance on the species of fictional characters: I tend to puzzle people with the claim that there aren’t really humans/vulcans/cats/elves/ducks/”what-have-you”s in fiction… because they are “fictional characters” first and foremost. I know I’m weird. ^^;

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

As far as the drug detectors, it would seem like a swizzle stick that changed color might be better.
It’s just another band-aid on the problem…but if it were my daughter..or son… going out for the night, I’d want them to have a way to detect a drugged beverage.
..I think if someone tried to drug me it probably would not end how they planned, but at my age it isn’t likely.

Yes, we still need to work on rape culture and change it, no, victims are never, EVER to blame. The victim could be stark nekkid and drunk as a skunk, the blame is all on the assailant, always.
Someone made themselves an easy target? Well, what kind of monster thinks of fellow human beings as prey, huh?

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Hello Kitty is a cat and I refuse to believe otherwise. REFUSE.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

I agree that items would be better for dipping in drinks, the only issue is that items can be lost/stolen. Not so much when it’s your finger attached to your hand.

Howard Bannister
6 years ago

Hello Kitty is a cat and I refuse to believe otherwise. REFUSE.

Hello Kitty is the anthropomorphic personification of a cat, in Pratchett terminology, which is like a cat, only heightened.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

@ sombrera true that…
Though I think a guy might have reservation about wearing nail polish…just saying…both the polish and stirrers would be nice to have on the market.

Be even nicer if it was an extremely rare worry, I don’t believe it is.

NonServiam
6 years ago

I really don’t mind anyone doing whatever they need to feel safe, but I’m unimpressed with the nail varnish idea. Swizzle sticks or straws would be better, but it would be 1000000000% better if I could go out for a drink without worrying about scumbags.

And actually, it is really important to remember that, while spiking drinks happens, it’s not the most common danger for women. Rapists will take advantage of people using alcohol but spiking isn’t as common as it is presented to be. I remember a few years ago, there was panic in North Dublin when a lot of rohypnol was stolen from a factory. In fact, most of it was probably sold to junkies because it lessens the effects of withdrawal. I don’t think there was any rise in spiking.

It’s a band-aid. Band-aids are nice things! I’m all for band-aids! I just don’t want anything to detract from the main issue of rape. It’s got nothing to do with what the victim does and EVERYTHING to do with what the rapist does.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

On the dudebros getting upset over women and video games, I can’t help but view these twats as toddlers who don’t want to share. Especially not with GIIIIRLS! What if the games get GIRL GERMS on them? They’ll ruin EVERYTHING! EWWWW!

Ooh, do you think they’ll pull that ploy where they threaten to hold their breath until they get what they want?

Alex
6 years ago

Can I just say that, regarding the nail polish thing, um, I don’t like nail polish? Like, I never wear it. Ever. I’ve had friends beg me to let them do my nails. I just…don’t like it. And, you know, I don’t think I should have to do something to my body I really don’t like just to possibly prevent one kind of rape from happening to me. A kind of rape, I should add, that to the best of my knowledge, I’ve only been in danger of once, and even then I may not have been the target.

Fred_the_Dog
6 years ago

In the Disney universe, Goofy looks like a dog, but there is a normal sort of dog, Pluto, who lives in a dog house and doesn’t wear clothing. So maybe it’s all just a big cosplay deal and we have to then wonder about dogs like Mr. Winkle (I would post a link but I can’t figure out how….feel free to google, Mr. Winkle is ultra cute).

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

Ej, great comic! Thanks for sharing it.

Sunnysombrera – please don’t use ‘twat’ as an insult.

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
6 years ago

The biggest reason I don’t wear nail polish (other than I just don’t care that much for it) is that I’m incredibly sloppy at it. I’m right-handed so I can do my left hand, but when it comes to trying to do the nails on my right hand, forget it.

I can do toenail polish. So, not sure how stirring a drink with my toes would ever be discreet.