One of the odder folk beliefs of the pickup artist subculture is that women become worn down and used up and even a bit addled if they have sex with too many men. Men, by contrast, are said to be able to handle an equal number of female lovers with grace and aplomb.
In a recent post, our old friend Heartiste offers what he sees as decisive photographic evidence illustrating the different effects of promiscuity on men and women. One bit of this evidence: a picture of a young woman used to advertise some sort of singles event. Reflections from the photographer’s lights obscure her pupils, an offputting effect that gives her a slightly deranged look.
Heartiste, apparently not curious enough to wonder why the woman seems to have no pupils, sees this as clear photographic evidence of the tell-tale “thousand cock stare” that he believes women develop after exposure to more than the lifetime recommended allotment of penises.
To underscore his claim that promiscuous men are “more emotionally stable and contented” than their female counterparts, Heartiste offers this photographic evidence:
I think we can all see the problem here. Aside from the fact that a single photograph of someone smiling offers no real clue to that person’s relative stability or degree of happiness with their life – there are plenty of people who can put a good face on all sorts of troubles – this is not actually a picture of a promiscuous man.
It’s a picture of actor John Hamm playing the character of Don Draper, a promiscuous ad exec on Mad Men, in full costume and makeup and doing his best to act the part of a contented man.
As regular viewers of the show are well aware, Don Draper is not always so contented. Indeed, the character is a near-constant drinker with a troubled past who ruins two marriages through his compulsive womanizing.
Here are pictures of Don Draper in some less-happy moments.
Can we conclude therefore that excess promiscuity will turn smiling, confident men into puking emotional wrecks? Well, no, because, again, Draper is a CHARACTER, not a person. He’s NOT REAL.
But don’t try telling Heartiste that, because he seems to prefer to live in an imaginary world.
A man can sample the slits and furrows of outrageous fortune and survive the whirlwind of passion to mark a day in the future when he contentedly and without pathological second-guessing slips into a stabler, longer term commitment.
Women who have sampled a poo poo platter of penes accumulate emotional scars that never heal; promiscuous women have a mental storage closet filled with five minute montages of alpha male love, and these exciting, prurient memories rob the female id of something important. Call it purity or innocence or self-worth or ability to appreciate romantic idealism, the slut with ass chafing from riding the cock carousel is never the same as she was before she let herself get pummeled by dick.
Uh, just so you know, Heartiste, the Chinese menu item you evidently have in mind is actually called a Pu Pu Platter. A Poo Poo Platter is something, well, a bit different.
Then again, I suspect that most of those women who’ve “sampled” Heartiste’s alleged charms would have, in hindsight, rather spent the evening cleaning shit out of a toilet tank.
Major- It’s stupid, isn’t it? Neocons are also the type to use the argument “All they understand is violence!” It’s an excuse to perpetuate violence and not give ANY OTHER SOLUTION a chance. Irony. They do not see it.
@kirbywarp Thank you for that amazing dose of humor about showing Heartiste porn. I had to wipe a few tears from my eyes because I was laughing so hard.
That’s it, I’m calling the metaphor police and the Federal Bureau of Shakespeare.
Some people just can’t handle the responsibility of the English language. It’s so sad.
Tough love is what is needed here.
Yes, the Neocon comeback that if you didn’t want to resort to immediate violence as answer #1, you were a “terrorist sympathizer.”
@girlscientist
The admitted and proud rapist PUA would be Roosh. Heartiste as far as I know has never admitted to rape, though it would shock none.
What we’ve got here is… failure to communicate. Some men you just can’t reach.
“A man can sample the slits and furrows of outrageous fortune and survive the whirlwind of passion to mark a day in the future when he contentedly and without pathological second-guessing slips into a stabler, longer term commitment.”
They all like to tell themselves that, don’t they. As if emotionally stunted PUAs (and/or MRAs and their ilk) were capable of “a stabler, longer term commitment” with a human being.
What a hideous, perverted idiocy these… men represent. Dregs of society, the whole bunch of them, projecting their wretchedness of women day in and out.
Mind you, he has a point – when pussy goes hunting cock, the results can be pretty frightening.
Also worth noting: That picture is AN AD, so we have no idea how many people she’s had sex with either. He may as well have shown us a drawing of stick figures from friggin’ MS PAINT!
@kirbywarp
I don’t think Heartiste or those who think like him would enjoy sex if they didn’t think they were somehow damaging women. It doesn’t seem to be the sex itself, but rather “winning” against an opponent that the that they’re after.
What would be the point of “defeating” a woman into letting you have sex with her if she enjoyed the experience and wasn’t any worse off afterwards?
Does anyone happen to know how prevalent Heartiste and his… ideas… are in the MRA? I was informed by a polite and charming AVfMer that nobody has even heard of him, though I suspect that might not be true.
“Second, he hates women. That’s why he dreams of hurting them with the very thing he wants from them. I’d wager his hatred and desire get all mixed up in his garbage bin of a head and these rationalizations are the result. Dude has issues”
Now you’re getting close. It’s not really women he hates however, it’s himself.
“By his own logic, he’s a despicable monster.”
Yes. Kind of sad, isn’t it?
Z.E.L. What would be the point of “defeating” a woman into letting you have sex with her if she enjoyed the experience and wasn’t any worse off afterwards?
Think more in terms of “conquering” than “defeating”, and I think you’ll be closer. To conquer someone, they have to acknowledge you dominant and suffer as a result; since sex with a women is “conquering” her, in Heartiste terms, she must be damaged by as a result by definition.
@ib22:
Now you’re getting close. It’s not really women he hates however, it’s himself.
Oh, do tell. *grabs popcorn*
aww, blockquote monster ran away from me.
The first line should be quoted.
@drmrsthemonarch1
http://www.donotlink.com/bdoo (avfm search for “heartiste”)
There are a number of articles at AVFHM that quote him approvingly.
Heartiste is one of the more well known redpill theorists*, and MRAs tend to agree with him when he theorizes about alpha/beta bullshit sexual dynamics and how women are ruining everything.
There are definite differences between H-ist PUAs and MRA ideology. They more or less come down to MRAs think women are horrible and run the world and only fuck assholes and that this should be changed because of the poor betas and PUAs think the same thing but have just decided to become the biggest assholes they can be.
Not sure if that helps.
Oh, and Heartiste is a huge racist and homophobe. AVFM claims not to be, but that doesn’t seem to stop them from fawning over his “incisive analysis” when it supports their position.
*hahahaha
Kirby: please pass the popcorn.
@IB22
You’re just reading these off index cards, aren’t you?
IB22- Preeeetty sure he really hates women. I mean, it’s certainly reasonable to think he also hates himself but he really really really hates women. A lot. It’s his primary focus.
@Bringthenouse,
Stick figures from MS paint, you say? Heartiste has in fact already been down that road. It was gloriously awful. I think you can find it in the mammoth archive.
@tcwill,
Will you judge me if I admit that I actually do occasionally appreciate Heartiste’s bon mots? “Slits” is a pretty gross word, and “furrows” is just weird, but that was actually a funny and coherent shakespeare call back. Also, “platter of penes” is a great turn of phrase, though “pu pu” was an overreach (even with correct spelling).
Re: the post. I suspect that any person would indeed be worn down and a bit addled if they had been bullied and exploited 1000 PUAs. Or 20, which I guess is pretty much the same number. Presumably Heartiste is experiencing a familiar of imagination vis a vis the nature of sex with non-PUA men.
Even if he does hate himself, who cares? The issue here is how he treats others.
Hey guys. Got some worried emails, so thought I’d drop in, let folks know that my sanity has shat the bed and I’m not really fit for human company. You probably won’t see me for a bit. Is totally a separate problem to Mammoth, I am behind on everything, apparently missed rannygazoo, and will likely take a good while to catch up, since right now, too crazy to really be a human.
Argenti, katz, and Kittehs have my email, if you want to say hi. Can’t promise a response though. Like I said, not good at being a human right now.
Also, uh, apparently my wordpress account is being weird? It’s being weird. Yeah.
Here is a video of a happy two-legged cat and his buddies playing with a laser dot:
Trying again:
Hey guys. Got some worried emails, so thought I’d drop in, let folks know that my sanity has shat the bed and I’m not really fit for human company. You probably won’t see me for a bit. Is totally a separate problem to Mammoth, I am behind on everything, apparently missed rannygazoo, and will likely take a good while to catch up, since right now, too crazy to really be a human.
Argenti, katz, and Kittehs have my email, if you want to say hi. Can’t promise a response though. Like I said, not good at being a human right now.
Here’s part of a little poem that Heartiste wrote:
But it’s not that he’s racist and hates non-whites or anything. He just hates himself and needs a hug.