In the world of fantasy writer and all-around hateful shithead Vox Day, women who are raped when they’re too drunk to consent should just suck it up, because reporting their rapes would be akin to someone calling police when they can’t remember where they’ve parked their car.
In a blog post today, Vox approvingly quotes a retiring British judge under fire for telling a newspaper that “the rape conviction statistics will not improve until women stop getting so drunk.” (This is the same judge who recently gave a teacher convicted of possessing a massive library of child porn a suspended sentence, saying that she couldn’t “criticise you for being a teacher who’s attracted to children.”)
Vox offers his take:
Perhaps women would be slower to put themselves in positions where they can be raped with impunity if they understood that they will not be taken at their word simply because they cry rape. It’s ridiculous. Can you imagine any other purported crime being investigated, much less prosecuted, on similarly vague grounds?
He follows this with an imaginary conversation between a young woman and the police in which she reports that her car is stolen because she can’t remember where she parked it.
It’s not really quite as hilarious as Vox imagines it to be.
PRO TIP: One way you can tell that forgetting where you parked your car is not actually much like rape is that no one actually calls police when they forget where they parked their car, while people do indeed report rapes, despite knowing that they will be grilled and second-guessed and called a “slut” and possibly mocked on the internet by assholes like Vox Day.
In the comments, one fellow suggests that feminists should have their right to vote taken away from them:
Feminists love to conflate the difference between saying that a drunk woman’s testimony is insufficient to establish a conviction of rape in a he/she said situation and the mythical attitude “she’s drunk so she’s asking for it even if she’s passed out on the floor.” They don’t understand that this is primary evidence for the fact that feminists should never be allowed to vote, because they’re (deliberately) too stupid to grasp the fundamental principles of civil society, or that alcohol affects men’s inhibitions as well as women’s.
Vox and his readers do indeed live in a fantasy land.
UPDATE: It’s a Vox Day twofer today! On his other blog today, Vox quotes a Daily Mail story claiming that the horrifying sexual abuse of 1400 children in Rotherham, England went unchecked in part because (as a report on the disaster notes) some social workers felt “nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist.”
Ignoring the fact that this is the self-serving claim of people who knowingly allowed this abuse to persist, and ignoring all of the other factors that contributed to this horrendous failure, Vox concludes that
the material costs of anti-racism are CONSIDERABLY worse than the material costs of racism …
Anti-racists not only actively celebrate predatory relationships, they regularly demonstrate that they have no problem whatsoever with child abuse, whether it occurs within the same race or is interracial. Moreover, what they falsely decry as “racism” is quite often nothing more than the exercise of the Constitutional right of free association. …
If you think that you possess the higher moral ground because you are anti-racist, think again. You are observably enabling widespread crime, particularly rape and child abuse, and are quite literally doing material harm to your own nation.
Astounding. Appalling. And just plain ridiculous.
Right, because the correct solution to men tying themselves up into knots over this is not to teach them how to not act like rapists, but instead to tell them to go act like rapists all they want, just somewhere else.
Yes, that sounds completely rational. Except for the part that it doesn’t.
(Also, for some reason, men’s collective peace of mind is of less importance to me than the state of mind experienced by victims and survivors of rape. Not sure why that is.)
@Tefo:
Uhh… because you’re basically arguing that men shouldn’t go to college? That they should give up on any possible higher education for the fear of something that’s very easily avoidable? That’s pretty offensive, dude.
Oops, *freemage. Kindle auto-correct, what can you do.
I don’t think Tefo is arguing that men shouldn’t go to college, but instead that college men should go off-campus for all their sexual needs. Because that would totally solve all the problems!
“arguing that men shouldn’t go to college”
College men should go to college to learn a trade or profession. There is no reason for them to conflate what college is for and sexual relations.
I’m almost surprised we haven’t seen cases of manufactured false accusations where everyone involved is in on it and they see how far they can push the envelope before revealing it was all a hoax – sort of a cross between Derren Brown’s *Game Show* experiment and *Columbo Cries Wolf*.
Maybe because there are laws against that?
@Tefo:
Alright, so you agree that if a dude is afraid of false accusations, he should just not have sex with people! Great!
We did it everyone!
Of course, people are people and college is just about the one place in a young adult’s life where they are both adults and constantly surrounded by lots of peers, so you can’t expect relationships not to occur. But good, you’ve gone back on your previous position.
Tefo, the odds that you will convince us that false rape charges are a serious problem for college men and that they should avoid college women to stay safe from those false charges are approximately 0%.
The smartest thing you can do is to avoid talking to feminists and instead talk with a like-minded group of misogynists, like men’s rights activists. That way, you can avoid legitimate and correct rebuttals to this bullshit.
This was also a hoax, per a jury
http://www.mindingthecampus.com/2013/11/is_this_a_campus_rape_well_no/
Tefo: Okay, so you can’t show that a man is at greater risk of being falsely accused of rape on-campus rather than off-campus, right? So, if you have no idea if the risk level if a false rape accusation is less off-campus, then why is your solution for men to date off-campus?
Hmmmmm… This means something… Still getting caught up, but I think Tefo actually hit pretty close to the bullseye.
Maybe, but even if they aren’t immigrant women, I seem to recall that an awful lot of colleges are in not so upscale areas so that you have the relatively privileged who are able to afford college in close proximity with those “townies” who might not be because they are working class or poorer. It’s like sex tourism for the pre-middle age set, and often paid for by mommy and daddy.
(Which is not to say that everyone has their college paid for them by their parents but that most of the folk, like myself, who paid for it all or mostly themselves, were more focused on making ends meet and doing the stuff that could lead to scholarships and fellowships than on finding ways to exploit class differences)
“you agree that if a dude is afraid of false accusations, he should just not have sex with people”
A non rapist should minimize the probability of ruining his life. But of course that is misogynistic.
Tefo, in addition to everything else that everyone’s said, you seem to be implying that you don’t like college women because they’re as educated as you are and can’t feel superior to them in the same way that you would feel superior to women of a similar age who, for whatever reason, didn’t go to college. And that’s offensive on all kinds of levels.
Also, given that your so-called study complained about having to directly ask college women if they want to have sex, it sounds like you’re claiming that less educated women are more likely to stand up for themselves. Also offensive.
Ah, good! We’re in agreement then. If a man is afraid of being falsely accused of rape, he can just avoid having sex with people.
@Tefo:
Nobody’s going to force a dude to go have sex if he doesn’t want to. We might think his reasons for doing so are silly or misogynistic, but it really is a non-issue because it harms no-one.
What, exactly, do you take issue with here? You believe men in college should avoid women. Ok, I think you’re wrong and your reasons are silly, but ultimately it’s an individual’s choice. So what is your problem?
Is it that we don’t believe your reasons? If so, provide statistical evidence for why your reasons are good ones. Is it that we’re mocking you? Well, tough cookies. That’s what we do here to people who think that the rape accusations are mostly about “ruining his life.”
“that’s offensive on all kinds of levels.”
College women typically feel that way when college men find other women far more captivating
“If a man is afraid of being falsely accused of rape, he can just avoid having sex with people”
Believing that seems to make you feel good. So run with it.
@Tefo:
Speak for yourself, sleazebag.
Lol. Dude, if you just found women off campus more physically attractive, no one would have a problem with that. You were claiming something very different.
“You were claiming something very different”
Please elaborate
I heard a comedy routine recently (I wish I could remember exactly who it was, I’m thinking maybe Louis CK but I’m not certain) where the comedian did some good work with this point. The gist was that he just didn’t get this idea that without religion and without strong controls on women’s behavior (like their clothes and choice of whether to attend parties with men where there would be drinking) there would be this epidemic of rape and murder. It boiled down to him saying, ‘I drink all the time and hang out around women and I’m committing exactly as much rape and murder as I want to WHICH IS NONE because I’m not an asshole.’
I’ve got to go find a video, or at least the transcript.
You’ve told us that facts are not what we’re talking about here, but feelings. Okay, feelings are legit. But let’s bring some facts into this, too.
Here’s a fact: a man who acts like a rapist is very likely to rape someone sooner or later, whether he intended to do this or not.
Here’s another: men who act like rapists give cover to men who are actually rapists, by making it difficult for prospective sexual partners to tell the difference, and thereby habituating prospective sexual partners to rapist behavior so that it doesn’t look immediately weird and off-putting. It becomes impossible to tell if someone is a rapist or not until a rape actually begins, because non-rapists act like that, too.
The type of false accusation that is giving you nightmares is the one in which an innocent dude has completely consensual sex that cannot possibly be construed to be rape, and his partner after the fact decides for whatever reason to call it rape.
But there are other types of accusations that folks like VD classify as false, such as a woman who is raped by a dude who didn’t intend to do that, but has extremely bad sexual habits that are indistinguishable from the habits of a rapist and he wound up having sex with someone who didn’t actually want to have sex (with him). Your suggestion that men who aren’t rapists just move on to a different class of sexual partner won’t solve this. In fact, it could make this worse because men feel that they are safe from “false” accusations and have no motivation to clean up their behavior and ensure that they have consent.
So you are prioritizing the feelings of men over the safety of women, and you see no problems with this? You just can’t comprehend why there might be pushback?
You’re claiming, without providing evidence, that college women are less likely to accuse someone of raping them. What this has to do with physical attractiveness, I don’t know.