In the world of fantasy writer and all-around hateful shithead Vox Day, women who are raped when they’re too drunk to consent should just suck it up, because reporting their rapes would be akin to someone calling police when they can’t remember where they’ve parked their car.
In a blog post today, Vox approvingly quotes a retiring British judge under fire for telling a newspaper that “the rape conviction statistics will not improve until women stop getting so drunk.” (This is the same judge who recently gave a teacher convicted of possessing a massive library of child porn a suspended sentence, saying that she couldn’t “criticise you for being a teacher who’s attracted to children.”)
Vox offers his take:
Perhaps women would be slower to put themselves in positions where they can be raped with impunity if they understood that they will not be taken at their word simply because they cry rape. It’s ridiculous. Can you imagine any other purported crime being investigated, much less prosecuted, on similarly vague grounds?
He follows this with an imaginary conversation between a young woman and the police in which she reports that her car is stolen because she can’t remember where she parked it.
It’s not really quite as hilarious as Vox imagines it to be.
PRO TIP: One way you can tell that forgetting where you parked your car is not actually much like rape is that no one actually calls police when they forget where they parked their car, while people do indeed report rapes, despite knowing that they will be grilled and second-guessed and called a “slut” and possibly mocked on the internet by assholes like Vox Day.
In the comments, one fellow suggests that feminists should have their right to vote taken away from them:
Feminists love to conflate the difference between saying that a drunk woman’s testimony is insufficient to establish a conviction of rape in a he/she said situation and the mythical attitude “she’s drunk so she’s asking for it even if she’s passed out on the floor.” They don’t understand that this is primary evidence for the fact that feminists should never be allowed to vote, because they’re (deliberately) too stupid to grasp the fundamental principles of civil society, or that alcohol affects men’s inhibitions as well as women’s.
Vox and his readers do indeed live in a fantasy land.
UPDATE: It’s a Vox Day twofer today! On his other blog today, Vox quotes a Daily Mail story claiming that the horrifying sexual abuse of 1400 children in Rotherham, England went unchecked in part because (as a report on the disaster notes) some social workers felt “nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist.”
Ignoring the fact that this is the self-serving claim of people who knowingly allowed this abuse to persist, and ignoring all of the other factors that contributed to this horrendous failure, Vox concludes that
the material costs of anti-racism are CONSIDERABLY worse than the material costs of racism …
Anti-racists not only actively celebrate predatory relationships, they regularly demonstrate that they have no problem whatsoever with child abuse, whether it occurs within the same race or is interracial. Moreover, what they falsely decry as “racism” is quite often nothing more than the exercise of the Constitutional right of free association. …
If you think that you possess the higher moral ground because you are anti-racist, think again. You are observably enabling widespread crime, particularly rape and child abuse, and are quite literally doing material harm to your own nation.
Astounding. Appalling. And just plain ridiculous.
Longtime lurker here. I’ve just gotta say, “Wow!” to VD’s post. At this point, I’m used to these guys just claiming that drunk sex doesn’t count as rape. Now they’ve progressed to straight up admitting that it is rape but that society’s tendency to blame women for any abuse that they suffer while they’re too drunk to understand what’s going on makes it easy for rapists and potential rapists to dodge responsibility, charges, and conviction. And of course they’re still blaming the women. And of course men can get raped while drunk too, but VD and crew will never talk about that, except as a “Gotcha!” because the MRM and all associated movements are really all about getting teh sex for teh menz and not actually about helping male victims. Also, Tefo, if college men who are that bad at asking, talking, and paying attention to their partner’s reactions to their advances don’t want to date college women anymore, that’s definitely a blessing to college women.
And, again, there is also not a conspiracy to ruin college men’s lives by falsely accusing them of rape and college campus are not ruled by feminist tribunals. That is simply not reality. So why the hell would anyone spin this kind of paranoid fantasy?
Tefo, you cite articles as ‘proof’ of false-rape-accusation culture on college campuses which contains sentences like this:
“Handler told the Bloomberg reporters that he is now very clear about what he wants when he talks to women.Because now, apparently, women can’t interpret conversations and need to be spoken to like children”
I don’t even.
“The odds of a man who engages in enthusiastic consent being killed in a car accident are orders of magnitude greater than his being falsely accused of rape by a vindictive college woman.”
Thats a great slogan. Maybe the parents of sons who are investing a fortune in tuition will now be convinced.
That’s because it’s not a study or an article, it’s an opinion piece from someon who’s opinion is ill-informed.
So, again, Tefo, is a man is afraid of being accused of falsely raping a woman, would ‘t the 100% safest thing to do be to not have sex with women?
Convinced that they should teach their sons how to not rape people? I would hope so.
Tefo, are you arguing now that parents shouldn’t send their sons to college?
Policy of Madness:
Yeah, that would be awesome.
“a man is afraid of being accused of falsely raping a woman, would ‘t the 100% safest thing to do be to not have sex with women?”
It would be in his best interest to avoid certain groups of women where such an accusation would negatively impact the rest of his life the most – on campus.
So if he wants to rape people, he should go off-campus. That’s what you are saying. You may not realize that’s what you are saying, but that’s what you are saying.
That’s not actually a feminist position.
You see, it’s the responsibility of women to avoid being raped. Preferably in ways that don’t inconvenience men in any way.
The problem, Tefo, is that you’re failing to appreciate one of the key elements of logic–a false premise cannot be used as the basis for a logical argument. Going off-campus to avoid the risk of false rape accusations is ‘rational’ in the same way making your lunar shuttle light enough that it won’t sink into a shell of green cheese is rational–it only actually works if the original premise is true, and it just ain’t so.
“teach their sons how to not rape people”
teach their sons how to not rape people…yes, and to avoid any sexual relations on campus and do that all that non raping off campus.
Bloody hell… Bloomberg don’t keep their articles up long, do they? “#missing_article” after six days?
But then!! Is anyone surprised that the only external link in that article is to a removed/dead/non-existent article? How seriously are we supposed to take an article with such shoddy references that it has nothing but self-references (hell, not just to the same site, but mostly to the same author) and a dead reference? Come to think of it, how seriously are we supposed to take an article that conflates rape culture with hook up culture? There may well be an overlap, but the two are not equivalents.
It sounds like it might be a reputable source, going from the name of the site, but it reads an awful lot like hack journalism.
Hmm…
“started the Examiner in early 2005 as local competition to The Washington Post, but with a clear ideological stamp. When it came to the editorial page, Anschutz’s instructions were explicit — he “wanted nothing but conservative columns and conservative op-ed writers,” said one former employee.”
Curious.
Correction, now that Tefo has further explained himself. The problem is not a failure of logic. The problem is that Tefo is a miserable piece of shit.
It hasn’t been that many years since I lived in college freshman housing. I remember how this works. My housemates nowhere near as hateful but at least as ridiculous. Everything had to a be man-something or other. Some guy insisted his journal was not a diary, but rather a mannery.
Well, that thread moved quickly while I was typing.
The failure of logic is pretty alarming as well.
If they’re not raping people, and they’re not acting like rapists, they don’t have to worry if the woman is in college or not. Again, a man’s chances of dying in a motor vehicle accident are far, far greater than the odds of him falling afoul of a false rape accusation, yet I don’t see you getting up in arms over the thousands of men killed and maimed by cars every year. You’re instead angsting over being struck by lightning.
There are things you can do to reduce your chances of being struck by lightning, and there are things you can do to reduce your chances of falling afoul of a false rape accusation, such as (I say again) not acting like a rapist.
Sending rapists off-campus doesn’t reduce rape.
Okay, Tefo, I’ll bite. Why the hell do you think the likelihood of a man being falsely accused of rape is higher on college campuses, an back it up with an actual study, not an op-ed piece?
“Sending rapists off-campus doesn’t reduce rape.”
Sending non rapists off-campus doesn’t reduce rape. It increases the non-rapist college man’s peace of mind. Why such a strategy is being bet with such vehement resistance is a mystery.
@freelance
Seconded. Tefo, you’re becoming offensive in addition to ridiculous. You’re refusing to budge from your ‘college-campuses-are-hotbeds-of-false-rape-accusations’ position, one which is fuelling all your arguments, (such as they are) and yet ironically has little to no supporting evidence.
What is going on here… why is college singled out as the place of many misandries? Does Tefo really believe that men couldn’t possibly act so that they won’t be mistaken for rapists? Why would being on campus or off campus matter in terms of that behavior?
Or does he think false accusations occur by women randomly walking around, pointing out a stranger, and saying “that one, I’ll accuse that one today?”
A study is not needed to justify how non rapist college men feel.