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Vox Day: Reporting a rape you were too incapacitated to fully remember is like calling the cops when you can't remember where you parked your car [UPDATED: Vox attacks anti-racists as child abuse enablers]

Searching for your car: Not much like rape.
Searching for your car: Not much like rape.

In the world of fantasy writer and all-around hateful shithead Vox Day, women who are raped when they’re too drunk to consent should just suck it up, because reporting their rapes would be akin to someone calling police when they can’t remember where they’ve parked their car.

In a blog post today, Vox approvingly quotes a retiring British judge under fire for telling a newspaper that “the rape conviction statistics will not improve until women stop getting so drunk.” (This is the same judge who recently gave a teacher convicted of possessing a massive library of child porn a suspended sentence, saying that she couldn’t “criticise you for being a teacher who’s attracted to children.”)

Vox offers his take:

Perhaps women would be slower to put themselves in positions where they can be raped with impunity if they understood that they will not be taken at their word simply because they cry rape. It’s ridiculous. Can you imagine any other purported crime being investigated, much less prosecuted, on similarly vague grounds?

He follows this with an imaginary conversation between a young woman and the police in which she reports that her car is stolen because she can’t remember where she parked it.

It’s not really quite as hilarious as Vox imagines it to be.

PRO TIP: One way you can tell that forgetting where you parked your car is not actually much like rape is that no one actually calls police when they forget where they parked their car, while people do indeed report rapes, despite knowing that they will be grilled and second-guessed and called a “slut” and possibly mocked on the internet by assholes like Vox Day.

In the comments, one fellow suggests that feminists should have their right to vote taken away from them:

Feminists love to conflate the difference between saying that a drunk woman’s testimony is insufficient to establish a conviction of rape in a he/she said situation and the mythical attitude “she’s drunk so she’s asking for it even if she’s passed out on the floor.” They don’t understand that this is primary evidence for the fact that feminists should never be allowed to vote, because they’re (deliberately) too stupid to grasp the fundamental principles of civil society, or that alcohol affects men’s inhibitions as well as women’s.

Vox and his readers do indeed live in a fantasy land.

UPDATE: It’s a Vox Day twofer today! On his other blog today, Vox quotes a Daily Mail story claiming that the horrifying sexual abuse of 1400 children in Rotherham, England went unchecked in part because (as a report on the disaster notes) some social workers felt “nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist.”

Ignoring the fact that this is the self-serving claim of people who knowingly allowed this abuse to persist, and ignoring all of the other factors that contributed to this horrendous failure, Vox concludes that

the material costs of anti-racism are CONSIDERABLY worse than the material costs of racism …

Anti-racists not only actively celebrate predatory relationships, they regularly demonstrate that they have no problem whatsoever with child abuse, whether it occurs within the same race or is interracial. Moreover, what they falsely decry as “racism” is quite often nothing more than the exercise of the Constitutional right of free association. …

If you think that you possess the higher moral ground because you are anti-racist, think again. You are observably enabling widespread crime, particularly rape and child abuse, and are quite literally doing material harm to your own nation.

Astounding. Appalling. And just plain ridiculous.

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Alais
6 years ago

Ugh. More likely to accuse someone of raping them, I mean.

dustedeste
dustedeste
6 years ago

Wow, Tefo really is a shitbucket, ain’t he?

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

@Tefo,

“College women typically feel that way when college men find other women more captivating”

No more now. Go away. You’ve brought down this thread enough.

Athywren
Athywren
6 years ago

A study is not needed to justify how non rapist college men feel.

I have a Y chromosome and a valid student card, does my opinion on this count?

I’ve never been accused of rape, falsely or otherwise, on campus or off, nor have any of the male students I know. I socialise with college women, many of them feminist. I actually feel more comfortable spending time in their company than I do with most college guys I know.

It’s almost as if they’re not simply picking random guys to accuse of rape at all….

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

“that’s offensive on all kinds of levels.”

College women typically feel that way when college men find other women far more captivating

Neither here nor there. Why being it up at all? Sour grapes? Or just think college women are vain “princesses?” Either way, this says more about you than college women.

“If a man is afraid of being falsely accused of rape, he can just avoid having sex with people”

Believing that seems to make you feel good. So run with it.

I want you to spell out why this is not a solution. If your stated problem is “Men are afraid of being falsely accused of rape because this will ruin their lives,” then why isn’t the above the perfect, 100% safe solution? You seem to be laboring under the misconception that false rape accustions are common and an everyday danger that men face. You also, for some reason, seem convinced that false rape accusations are more common on college campuses, but are unable to prove this, and you readily admit this. So, for all you know, a man is at greater risk of being falsely accused off campus rather than on-campus. Given your (entirely wrong, not based in reality) premise, why is just not having sex not the perfect solution here.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

“that’s offensive on all kinds of levels.”

College women typically feel that way when college men find other women far more captivating

Yeah, no. It’s not offensive when someone finds someone else more attractive, or more interesting because they share hobbies or experiences, for example.

What is offensive here is the phenomena being referred to under the term ‘captivating’. It’s not that there is something wonderful and enticing about some particular ‘off-campus’ woman, it’s that she is more likely to be either younger (if she isn’t herself going to college) or at a power differential because of of a lower socioeconomic status (because she is college age but can’t afford college) or comes from a traditionalist social structure where she doesn’t view college as appropriate for her and will also defer to the men around her. Bonus points if any of the above power imbalances also include the fact that she will not contradict or ‘speak up’ to him.

So yeah, seeking out women who can be more easily controlled and dominated. Wow, such captivating.

Alais
6 years ago

Tefo, I have another question. Why is a non-rapist more likely to have his life ruined if he has sex with coeds? If she falsely reports him to the university, the very worst that they can do is expel him. If a woman off campus falsely reports him, she’ll have to go to the police, who have the legal power to kick off a process that will send him to jail for years. I dunno about you, but expulsion sounds better and less life-ruining than jail.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

There’s almost this weird dynamic where Tefo is using “college women” the same way other MRAs use “American women” or “Western women.” Describing women outside of college as more “captivating” almost feels like an exotification of them.

Is Tefo in college right now? Or is this whole fear of his even more pointless than it already was?

Alais
6 years ago

And yeah, sparky, I definitely get the feeling that guys behind #dateoffcampus are hoping for a power differential. The belief that this will come from women or girls who don’t go to college implies that those who are less educated or are of a lower socioeconomic class are pushovers, which sounds pretty classist to me.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

Wait… there’s a #dateoffcampus hashtag?

Whaaa?

How.. What? Why is that a thing?

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

“the very worst that they can do is expel him’

yeah…no bigee

bunnybunny
bunnybunny
6 years ago

There’s almost this weird dynamic where Tefo is using “college women” the same way other MRAs use “American women” or “Western women.” Describing women outside of college as more “captivating” almost feels like an exotification of them.

Oh definitely. Those uppity college ladies, getting their educations and wanting to not be assaulted. How high maintenance.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

@kirbywarp: not just a hashtag but also a username (handle? account? no ideas what they’re called). They apparently joined Twitter in August 2010 and have 5 followers.

Alais
6 years ago

Tefo, is getting expelled worse than going to jail for years? That’s the question.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

A study is not needed to justify how non rapist college men feel.

So, you’re saying that men are irrational, emotional and incapable of a rudimentary understanding of science and statistics?

Once again, nobody misanders like misogynists. I still don’t know why people call feminists the man haters.

Maybe, but even if they aren’t immigrant women, I seem to recall that an awful lot of colleges are in not so upscale areas so that you have the relatively privileged who are able to afford college in close proximity with those “townies” who might not be because they are working class or poorer.

I went to a liberal arts college in a working class town and the students and townies didn’t mix (although I had a couple of friends who were townies). The students were often classist against them and the residents of the town knew this and resented it. One thing I did notice was that the “townies” were less conventionally attractive than the students. Money gets you healthy food, access to the gym, stylish clothes, a nice haircut, makeup etc. I somehow don’t see PUAs who are a shallow lot being fully satisfied with the act rapey off of campus approach. They don’t consider having sex with an overweight women in last decade’s clothes and hairstyle something to brag about. I just don’t see shallow college douchebros being eager to date “townies.”

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

I’ve seen no evidence that college women are more likely to accuse a dude out of nowhere of rape, and there’s no actual reason to think that this would be the case. However, it is plausible to believe* that a college woman is more likely to realize that this thing that happened to her was rape, and to be willing to stand up for herself on the (often mistaken) assumption that the university and police will have her back.

So this “go off campus to have sex!” is just the promotion of exporting rape from campus to the surrounding town, on the assumption that non-college women will just endure it without realizing that they were raped, or perhaps realizing it but not being willing to pursue charges.

*I say it’s plausible to believe this, but I would need to see some evidence that this belief is actually founded in reality and not in imagination.

Athywren
Athywren
6 years ago

Oh definitely. Those uppity college ladies, getting their educations and wanting to not be assaulted. How high maintenance.

AND they want to join in with our games and generally be sociable with us outside of times when they absolutely need to be! Woe! Woe is men!

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

Hmm. Fighting the straw feminist heirarchy in one’s own head. Making patronising blanket statements about college women. Declaring “but what about teh feelings of TEH Menz”…

My bingo card’s getting pretty full.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

@pallygirl:

@kirbywarp: not just a hashtag but also a username (handle? account? no ideas what they’re called). They apparently joined Twitter in August 2010 and have 5 followers.

Ah, ok. For some reason I thought it was a big thing. Still, what a weird thing. They better have some irrational absurd view that college corrupts women or something, because on the face of it, disliking “college women” means disliking the “college” part, which means disliking the “more educated” part, which is really frikken creepy.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

I’m not following the manly man logic here either, clearly because of my ladybrain. I thought that MRAs thought that college was when/where a lot of the cock carousel carousing was occurring. So does that mean that the cock carousel is only being used by women to create false rape complaints? Or, because the men are alphas, otherwise it’s not a cock carousel, being an alpha gives some sort of ring of protection against false rape complaints so it’s the women not having sex at all that are creating the false rape complaints. Or I’ve stepped through a portal into an alternate universe where no logic exists.

I is confused.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

Alais: Thank you, but that was gillyrosebee making that astute observation. 🙂

And seriously, expelled > jailed?

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Oh and Tefo, you fucking asshole rapists use alcohol as a tool to make rape easier. They know what they’re doing. http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/29/2844951/link-alcohol-sexual-assault/Alcohol involved rape is not about innocent men being inebriated and accidently raping because they didn’t grasp consent. Nor is it about women regretted a hook up the night before and “crying rape” to preserve her reputation. The latter doesn’t even make sense. Women who make a public accusation of rape, especially when her rapist is well liked or a good athlete are far more likely to be maligned than a woman who has a hookup after a night of partying. In most circles hookups are viewed as normal. This isn’t the fifties.

Alais
6 years ago

@sparky

Sorry. 🙁 So many comments coming at once.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

You know, let’s not minimize the potential problematic aspects of getting expelled. It can be a real setback in your academic and future professional career. I knew three guys in my broader social circle who actually did get expelled for various (non-sex crime related) reasons and in all three cases it cost them the rest of that term’s tuition and a couple semester’s worth of academic progress while they either waited to be readmitted (two of them) or to transfer to another college (the third one).

I pointed out that those three were not related to sex crime issues because of the individuals I knew about in the time I was there who were accused, ‘tried’ and sanctioned by the university precisely none of them (there were two that I heard about) were expelled. One of those two was found to be at fault by the dean’s inquiry and was informed that the administration would really prefer if he did not go to the other involved student’s dorm (the terminology is whacked because they explicitly do not use judicial/criminal justice terms). Of course no penalty was assigned to that gentle suggestion, so he promptly made friends with the women who lived across the hall from her and would sit in their room with the door open so that she’d have to see him if she wanted to leave or even just to open her door.

Funny, she wasn’t expelled, but she did “flunk out” that year and never, so far as I know, came back to school.

The other guy received a similar, “we’d really prefer if you didn’t” set of requests from the administration. Her parents, along with those of his other four victims, didn’t much appreciate that and encouraged their daughters to sue in civil court. They won, though the court declined to award their primary request, which was that he be required to leave the school, so he was right back the next year.

dustedeste
dustedeste
6 years ago

@gillyrosebee:

I don’t think anyone’s saying that expulsion from college is not a serious thing. It’s just that it’s probably not as bad for one’s academic and professional career as literally going to jail.

At the end of the day, though, it’s unlikely that either would happen. It’s especially unlikely that it would happen due to a false accusation, given that the majority of rapes are not even reported, and of the ones that are, the vast majority of rapists are never subject to jail time or sanction of any sort.

CL
CL
6 years ago

I just can’t figure out why Tefo thinks it’s COLLEGE that’s the problem and not RAPE. Something is not computing.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Yeah, sorry dustedeste, I forgot to use the sarcasm font. My point was that, while not ideal or pleasant, being expelled was something you can recover from, and in my experience as well as in the data, it is (as you note) not all that likely. I agree with all your points.

dustedeste
dustedeste
6 years ago

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood!

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

No worries!

freemage
freemage
6 years ago

Yup. Sticking with “Tefo is a miserable piece of shit” as my go-to explanation for his posts; there’s no other option, at this point.

Littlefish
Littlefish
6 years ago

“Perhaps women would be slower to put themselves in positions where they can be raped with impunity…”
Hmm, well considering that statistically speaking, a woman is more likely to be raped by an acquaintance, relative, spouse, partner or other “person known to the victim”… Oh shit, how could I so quickly put my self in danger? Oh, the foolish temerity of me, staying home, where I am (by statistics) most likely to be raped. How could I be so stupid? And I’m wearing a sleeveless shirt! How moronic of me! I am truly tossing myself into a horrible position. Plus, since spousal rapes have, relatively speaking, only fairly of late been taken as actually being rape… Yes, staying at the home I share with my spouse is most certainly a “position(s) where they can be raped with impunity” and I’m just sitting here, like a numpty.

“…if they understood that they will not be taken at their word simply because they cry rape.”
Hahaha, this is hilarious. Oh… wait, he’s serious? Umm, right. I think us women folk have had that message drummed into our heads… case after case, story after story. I love it when men mansplain how stupid us women are and how we don’t know their same old “rules of protection” that don’t really prevent some of the most common circumstances of rape.

“It’s ridiculous.”
I agree, though generally what I think is ridiculous is probably quite different than what mr. Women-are-morons thinks.

Alais
6 years ago

I like how he went from, “I’m just explaining how MRAs think,” to “DON’T YOU FEEL SORRY FOR ALL THE POOR LITTLE COLLEGE MENZ AND THEIR PARENTS BECAUSE THE COLLEGE LADIES BE CRYING RAPE?!?!” to what was basically, “SPINSTERS!”

Littlefish
Littlefish
6 years ago

Note to self, hit refresh button before posting on a new day….

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

False kidnapping complaints from men seem to be a thing: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/25/fake-kidnapping-party_n_5708713.html

So now there are two complaints as officially false, we can ignore all other reports of men being kidnapping as false kidnapping reports?

/sarcasm off

dustedeste
dustedeste
6 years ago

Wow, that whole car theft one really brings this full-circle, doesn’t it 😛

vaiyt
6 years ago

“Perhaps women would be slower to put themselves in positions where they can be raped with impunity…”

These chucklefucks long for Saudi Arabia, where women are forbidden to drive or work, rarely leave home and are covered from head to toe – and still get raped in huge numbers.

Alais
6 years ago

No, you guys don’t understand. IB22 already explained that men are incapable of saying anything other than what they mean. False reporting totally wouldn’t be something that they’d be capable of doing. Ergo, all the men filing false reports are really women in disguise.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

And now a Monty Python reference has popped into my head, unbidden:
http://youtu.be/ffwFXGPRDu4?t=13s

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago
Georgina Hale
Georgina Hale
6 years ago

If someone tells you that raping drunk women is no crime, that is because they wish to rape drunk women with impunity.

cloudiah
6 years ago

@pallygirl, I was just coming here to post that.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

@cloudiah that is a first, me ninjaing you! 🙂

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
6 years ago

The thread may have moved on from this, I haven’t caught up. Tefo, you seem to be saying that:

a) parents spend a lot of money to send their sons to college so that they can get educated, get a good job, and have a good life.
b) college girls falsely accuse them of rape and ruin their futures.

You don’t seem to be getting that:

a) women at college are also spending a lot of their or their parents money to get educated, get a good job, and have a good life.
b) being raped, which is an order of magnitude more common than false rape accusations, ALSO ruins people’s lives and/or derails their futures.

In short, fuck off.

Littlefish
Littlefish
6 years ago

Hmm, we’re going to be ignoring an awful lot of things if we go off of false complaints…

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

All those people who claim that non-human mammals aren’t intelligent at all, and certainly not sapient? Deliberate deception sounds pretty damn sapient to me.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Oh, is Tefo still here, wanking away about how unfair it is that rapists get expelled? Well, dude, if you have a problem with that we could just start sending them to jail instead.

Also, go fall down a well.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

I fail to understand why rapes on campus are treated so differently. Not that the criminal justice system’s wonderful, but it really irks me that these guys don’t face criminal prosecution, you know?
They’re not children, they’re grown men.

Bone Lady
Bone Lady
6 years ago

One of Mr. Beale’s standard tactics, especially when talking against multiculturalism and for racism is to take a single example and generalize from it to the entire known universe. So not surprising to see him take this single situation in England and claim that a) all people who are against racism do this sort of thing, which means that all people against racism support pedophilia. He did this with Marion Zimmer Bradley and the SFWA, it’s a standard tactic. What is ridiculous is that his followers eat this stuff up. How can they not see through his vicious nonsense? Aggggh!