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Vox Day: Reporting a rape you were too incapacitated to fully remember is like calling the cops when you can't remember where you parked your car [UPDATED: Vox attacks anti-racists as child abuse enablers]

Searching for your car: Not much like rape.
Searching for your car: Not much like rape.

In the world of fantasy writer and all-around hateful shithead Vox Day, women who are raped when they’re too drunk to consent should just suck it up, because reporting their rapes would be akin to someone calling police when they can’t remember where they’ve parked their car.

In a blog post today, Vox approvingly quotes a retiring British judge under fire for telling a newspaper that “the rape conviction statistics will not improve until women stop getting so drunk.” (This is the same judge who recently gave a teacher convicted of possessing a massive library of child porn a suspended sentence, saying that she couldn’t “criticise you for being a teacher who’s attracted to children.”)

Vox offers his take:

Perhaps women would be slower to put themselves in positions where they can be raped with impunity if they understood that they will not be taken at their word simply because they cry rape. It’s ridiculous. Can you imagine any other purported crime being investigated, much less prosecuted, on similarly vague grounds?

He follows this with an imaginary conversation between a young woman and the police in which she reports that her car is stolen because she can’t remember where she parked it.

It’s not really quite as hilarious as Vox imagines it to be.

PRO TIP: One way you can tell that forgetting where you parked your car is not actually much like rape is that no one actually calls police when they forget where they parked their car, while people do indeed report rapes, despite knowing that they will be grilled and second-guessed and called a “slut” and possibly mocked on the internet by assholes like Vox Day.

In the comments, one fellow suggests that feminists should have their right to vote taken away from them:

Feminists love to conflate the difference between saying that a drunk woman’s testimony is insufficient to establish a conviction of rape in a he/she said situation and the mythical attitude “she’s drunk so she’s asking for it even if she’s passed out on the floor.” They don’t understand that this is primary evidence for the fact that feminists should never be allowed to vote, because they’re (deliberately) too stupid to grasp the fundamental principles of civil society, or that alcohol affects men’s inhibitions as well as women’s.

Vox and his readers do indeed live in a fantasy land.

UPDATE: It’s a Vox Day twofer today! On his other blog today, Vox quotes a Daily Mail story claiming that the horrifying sexual abuse of 1400 children in Rotherham, England went unchecked in part because (as a report on the disaster notes) some social workers felt “nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist.”

Ignoring the fact that this is the self-serving claim of people who knowingly allowed this abuse to persist, and ignoring all of the other factors that contributed to this horrendous failure, Vox concludes that

the material costs of anti-racism are CONSIDERABLY worse than the material costs of racism …

Anti-racists not only actively celebrate predatory relationships, they regularly demonstrate that they have no problem whatsoever with child abuse, whether it occurs within the same race or is interracial. Moreover, what they falsely decry as “racism” is quite often nothing more than the exercise of the Constitutional right of free association. …

If you think that you possess the higher moral ground because you are anti-racist, think again. You are observably enabling widespread crime, particularly rape and child abuse, and are quite literally doing material harm to your own nation.

Astounding. Appalling. And just plain ridiculous.

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Alais
Alais
6 years ago

Longtime lurker here. I’ve just gotta say, “Wow!” to VD’s post. At this point, I’m used to these guys just claiming that drunk sex doesn’t count as rape. Now they’ve progressed to straight up admitting that it is rape but that society’s tendency to blame women for any abuse that they suffer while they’re too drunk to understand what’s going on makes it easy for rapists and potential rapists to dodge responsibility, charges, and conviction. And of course they’re still blaming the women. And of course men can get raped while drunk too, but VD and crew will never talk about that, except as a “Gotcha!” because the MRM and all associated movements are really all about getting teh sex for teh menz and not actually about helping male victims. Also, Tefo, if college men who are that bad at asking, talking, and paying attention to their partner’s reactions to their advances don’t want to date college women anymore, that’s definitely a blessing to college women.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

That is given these college men too much credit. Its not some conspiracy to silence and shame college women. They probably do not care at all how college women feel about their detouring around them.

And, again, there is also not a conspiracy to ruin college men’s lives by falsely accusing them of rape and college campus are not ruled by feminist tribunals. That is simply not reality. So why the hell would anyone spin this kind of paranoid fantasy?

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

Tefo, you cite articles as ‘proof’ of false-rape-accusation culture on college campuses which contains sentences like this:

“Handler told the Bloomberg reporters that he is now very clear about what he wants when he talks to women.Because now, apparently, women can’t interpret conversations and need to be spoken to like children”

I don’t even.

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

“The odds of a man who engages in enthusiastic consent being killed in a car accident are orders of magnitude greater than his being falsely accused of rape by a vindictive college woman.”

Thats a great slogan. Maybe the parents of sons who are investing a fortune in tuition will now be convinced.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

That’s because it’s not a study or an article, it’s an opinion piece from someon who’s opinion is ill-informed.

So, again, Tefo, is a man is afraid of being accused of falsely raping a woman, would ‘t the 100% safest thing to do be to not have sex with women?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Thats a great slogan. Maybe the parents of sons who are investing a fortune in tuition will now be convinced.

Convinced that they should teach their sons how to not rape people? I would hope so.

Alais
Alais
6 years ago

Tefo, are you arguing now that parents shouldn’t send their sons to college?

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

Policy of Madness:

Convinced that they should teach their sons how to not rape people? I would hope so.

Yeah, that would be awesome.

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

“a man is afraid of being accused of falsely raping a woman, would ‘t the 100% safest thing to do be to not have sex with women?”

It would be in his best interest to avoid certain groups of women where such an accusation would negatively impact the rest of his life the most – on campus.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

So if he wants to rape people, he should go off-campus. That’s what you are saying. You may not realize that’s what you are saying, but that’s what you are saying.

That’s not actually a feminist position.

vaiyt
6 years ago

You see, it’s the responsibility of women to avoid being raped. Preferably in ways that don’t inconvenience men in any way.

freemage
freemage
6 years ago

The problem, Tefo, is that you’re failing to appreciate one of the key elements of logic–a false premise cannot be used as the basis for a logical argument. Going off-campus to avoid the risk of false rape accusations is ‘rational’ in the same way making your lunar shuttle light enough that it won’t sink into a shell of green cheese is rational–it only actually works if the original premise is true, and it just ain’t so.

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

“teach their sons how to not rape people”

teach their sons how to not rape people…yes, and to avoid any sexual relations on campus and do that all that non raping off campus.

Fibinachi
6 years ago

“The odds of a man who engages in enthusiastic consent being killed in a car accident are orders of magnitude greater than his being falsely accused of rape by a vindictive college woman.”

Thats a great slogan. Maybe the parents of sons who are investing a fortune in tuition will now be convinced.

Well, uh, they would? The odds of being killed in a car accident are low, but orders of magnitude higher than being falsely accused of rape.

this means that the actual odds of being falsely accused of rape is incredibly low, so low as to beggar belief.

If I was the incredibly rich dad of a son I’m about to send off to college (Because he’s my fucking property, and I will damn will invest him as I please and do my portfolio), I’d be the kind of dad who knew that those kinds of odds were low, and that would make me happy, and so I would send my son.

and pay his tutition.

I… don’t. Your sentence? I can’t.. the thing is… I can’t.

You don’t… can you actually try to repeat? But it’s like… Look.

Let me try to explain what just happened here.

“You know how sometimes, some things happen?”
“Right, yeah, it does”
Tefo: “The sky is blue”
“Yes?”
Tefo: “No, the sky is blue“.

Athywren
Athywren
6 years ago

Bloody hell… Bloomberg don’t keep their articles up long, do they? “#missing_article” after six days?
But then!! Is anyone surprised that the only external link in that article is to a removed/dead/non-existent article? How seriously are we supposed to take an article with such shoddy references that it has nothing but self-references (hell, not just to the same site, but mostly to the same author) and a dead reference? Come to think of it, how seriously are we supposed to take an article that conflates rape culture with hook up culture? There may well be an overlap, but the two are not equivalents.
It sounds like it might be a reputable source, going from the name of the site, but it reads an awful lot like hack journalism.

Hmm…
“started the Examiner in early 2005 as local competition to The Washington Post, but with a clear ideological stamp. When it came to the editorial page, Anschutz’s instructions were explicit — he “wanted nothing but conservative columns and conservative op-ed writers,” said one former employee.”
Curious.

freemage
freemage
6 years ago

Correction, now that Tefo has further explained himself. The problem is not a failure of logic. The problem is that Tefo is a miserable piece of shit.

Orion
6 years ago

It hasn’t been that many years since I lived in college freshman housing. I remember how this works. My housemates nowhere near as hateful but at least as ridiculous. Everything had to a be man-something or other. Some guy insisted his journal was not a diary, but rather a mannery.

Orion
6 years ago

Well, that thread moved quickly while I was typing.

bunnybunny
bunnybunny
6 years ago

The failure of logic is pretty alarming as well.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

If they’re not raping people, and they’re not acting like rapists, they don’t have to worry if the woman is in college or not. Again, a man’s chances of dying in a motor vehicle accident are far, far greater than the odds of him falling afoul of a false rape accusation, yet I don’t see you getting up in arms over the thousands of men killed and maimed by cars every year. You’re instead angsting over being struck by lightning.

There are things you can do to reduce your chances of being struck by lightning, and there are things you can do to reduce your chances of falling afoul of a false rape accusation, such as (I say again) not acting like a rapist.

Sending rapists off-campus doesn’t reduce rape.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

Okay, Tefo, I’ll bite. Why the hell do you think the likelihood of a man being falsely accused of rape is higher on college campuses, an back it up with an actual study, not an op-ed piece?

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

“Sending rapists off-campus doesn’t reduce rape.”

Sending non rapists off-campus doesn’t reduce rape. It increases the non-rapist college man’s peace of mind. Why such a strategy is being bet with such vehement resistance is a mystery.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

@freelance

Seconded. Tefo, you’re becoming offensive in addition to ridiculous. You’re refusing to budge from your ‘college-campuses-are-hotbeds-of-false-rape-accusations’ position, one which is fuelling all your arguments, (such as they are) and yet ironically has little to no supporting evidence.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

What is going on here… why is college singled out as the place of many misandries? Does Tefo really believe that men couldn’t possibly act so that they won’t be mistaken for rapists? Why would being on campus or off campus matter in terms of that behavior?

Or does he think false accusations occur by women randomly walking around, pointing out a stranger, and saying “that one, I’ll accuse that one today?”

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

A study is not needed to justify how non rapist college men feel.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

It increases the non-rapist college man’s peace of mind.

Right, because the correct solution to men tying themselves up into knots over this is not to teach them how to not act like rapists, but instead to tell them to go act like rapists all they want, just somewhere else.

Yes, that sounds completely rational. Except for the part that it doesn’t.

(Also, for some reason, men’s collective peace of mind is of less importance to me than the state of mind experienced by victims and survivors of rape. Not sure why that is.)

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

@Tefo:

Sending non rapists off-campus doesn’t reduce rape. It increases the non-rapist college man’s peace of mind. Why such a strategy is being bet with such vehement resistance is a mystery.

Uhh… because you’re basically arguing that men shouldn’t go to college? That they should give up on any possible higher education for the fear of something that’s very easily avoidable? That’s pretty offensive, dude.

Misha
Misha
6 years ago

Oops, *freemage. Kindle auto-correct, what can you do.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Uhh… because you’re basically arguing that men shouldn’t go to college? That they should give up on any possible higher education for the fear of something that’s very easily avoidable? That’s pretty offensive, dude.

I don’t think Tefo is arguing that men shouldn’t go to college, but instead that college men should go off-campus for all their sexual needs. Because that would totally solve all the problems!

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

“arguing that men shouldn’t go to college”

College men should go to college to learn a trade or profession. There is no reason for them to conflate what college is for and sexual relations.

DJG
DJG
6 years ago

I’m almost surprised we haven’t seen cases of manufactured false accusations where everyone involved is in on it and they see how far they can push the envelope before revealing it was all a hoax – sort of a cross between Derren Brown’s *Game Show* experiment and *Columbo Cries Wolf*.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Maybe because there are laws against that?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

@Tefo:

Alright, so you agree that if a dude is afraid of false accusations, he should just not have sex with people! Great!

We did it everyone!

Of course, people are people and college is just about the one place in a young adult’s life where they are both adults and constantly surrounded by lots of peers, so you can’t expect relationships not to occur. But good, you’ve gone back on your previous position.

Emmy Rae
Emmy Rae
6 years ago

Tefo, the odds that you will convince us that false rape charges are a serious problem for college men and that they should avoid college women to stay safe from those false charges are approximately 0%.

The smartest thing you can do is to avoid talking to feminists and instead talk with a like-minded group of misogynists, like men’s rights activists. That way, you can avoid legitimate and correct rebuttals to this bullshit.

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago
sparky
sparky
6 years ago

Tefo: Okay, so you can’t show that a man is at greater risk of being falsely accused of rape on-campus rather than off-campus, right? So, if you have no idea if the risk level if a false rape accusation is less off-campus, then why is your solution for men to date off-campus?

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

University men avoid feminism, campus princess culture and college tribunals by dating gracious non-college women who live and work near campus.

Hmmmmm… This means something… Still getting caught up, but I think Tefo actually hit pretty close to the bullseye.

It seems to mean dating a woman who has not gone to college and there is a good chance its a newly arrive immigrant woman.

Maybe, but even if they aren’t immigrant women, I seem to recall that an awful lot of colleges are in not so upscale areas so that you have the relatively privileged who are able to afford college in close proximity with those “townies” who might not be because they are working class or poorer. It’s like sex tourism for the pre-middle age set, and often paid for by mommy and daddy.

(Which is not to say that everyone has their college paid for them by their parents but that most of the folk, like myself, who paid for it all or mostly themselves, were more focused on making ends meet and doing the stuff that could lead to scholarships and fellowships than on finding ways to exploit class differences)

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

“you agree that if a dude is afraid of false accusations, he should just not have sex with people”

A non rapist should minimize the probability of ruining his life. But of course that is misogynistic.

Alais
Alais
6 years ago

Tefo, in addition to everything else that everyone’s said, you seem to be implying that you don’t like college women because they’re as educated as you are and can’t feel superior to them in the same way that you would feel superior to women of a similar age who, for whatever reason, didn’t go to college. And that’s offensive on all kinds of levels.

Alais
Alais
6 years ago

Also, given that your so-called study complained about having to directly ask college women if they want to have sex, it sounds like you’re claiming that less educated women are more likely to stand up for themselves. Also offensive.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

“you agree that if a dude is afraid of false accusations, he should just not have sex with people”

A non rapist should minimize the probability of ruining his life. But of course that is misogynistic.

Ah, good! We’re in agreement then. If a man is afraid of being falsely accused of rape, he can just avoid having sex with people.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

@Tefo:

A non rapist should minimize the probability of ruining his life. But of course that is misogynistic.

Nobody’s going to force a dude to go have sex if he doesn’t want to. We might think his reasons for doing so are silly or misogynistic, but it really is a non-issue because it harms no-one.

What, exactly, do you take issue with here? You believe men in college should avoid women. Ok, I think you’re wrong and your reasons are silly, but ultimately it’s an individual’s choice. So what is your problem?

Is it that we don’t believe your reasons? If so, provide statistical evidence for why your reasons are good ones. Is it that we’re mocking you? Well, tough cookies. That’s what we do here to people who think that the rape accusations are mostly about “ruining his life.”

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

“that’s offensive on all kinds of levels.”

College women typically feel that way when college men find other women far more captivating

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

“If a man is afraid of being falsely accused of rape, he can just avoid having sex with people”

Believing that seems to make you feel good. So run with it.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

@Tefo:

College women typically feel that way when college men find other women far more captivating

Speak for yourself, sleazebag.

Alais
Alais
6 years ago

Lol. Dude, if you just found women off campus more physically attractive, no one would have a problem with that. You were claiming something very different.

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

“You were claiming something very different”

Please elaborate

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

I’m drunk right now. I’m also not raping anyone. Wow! Go me!

Me too! Fistbump! I also manage to not call anyone sugartits or make holocaust denial statements when I drink. I must be a saint!

I heard a comedy routine recently (I wish I could remember exactly who it was, I’m thinking maybe Louis CK but I’m not certain) where the comedian did some good work with this point. The gist was that he just didn’t get this idea that without religion and without strong controls on women’s behavior (like their clothes and choice of whether to attend parties with men where there would be drinking) there would be this epidemic of rape and murder. It boiled down to him saying, ‘I drink all the time and hang out around women and I’m committing exactly as much rape and murder as I want to WHICH IS NONE because I’m not an asshole.’

I’ve got to go find a video, or at least the transcript.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

A non rapist should minimize the probability of ruining his life.

You’ve told us that facts are not what we’re talking about here, but feelings. Okay, feelings are legit. But let’s bring some facts into this, too.

Here’s a fact: a man who acts like a rapist is very likely to rape someone sooner or later, whether he intended to do this or not.

Here’s another: men who act like rapists give cover to men who are actually rapists, by making it difficult for prospective sexual partners to tell the difference, and thereby habituating prospective sexual partners to rapist behavior so that it doesn’t look immediately weird and off-putting. It becomes impossible to tell if someone is a rapist or not until a rape actually begins, because non-rapists act like that, too.

The type of false accusation that is giving you nightmares is the one in which an innocent dude has completely consensual sex that cannot possibly be construed to be rape, and his partner after the fact decides for whatever reason to call it rape.

But there are other types of accusations that folks like VD classify as false, such as a woman who is raped by a dude who didn’t intend to do that, but has extremely bad sexual habits that are indistinguishable from the habits of a rapist and he wound up having sex with someone who didn’t actually want to have sex (with him). Your suggestion that men who aren’t rapists just move on to a different class of sexual partner won’t solve this. In fact, it could make this worse because men feel that they are safe from “false” accusations and have no motivation to clean up their behavior and ensure that they have consent.

So you are prioritizing the feelings of men over the safety of women, and you see no problems with this? You just can’t comprehend why there might be pushback?

Alais
Alais
6 years ago

You’re claiming, without providing evidence, that college women are less likely to accuse someone of raping them. What this has to do with physical attractiveness, I don’t know.