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Vox Day: Reporting a rape you were too incapacitated to fully remember is like calling the cops when you can't remember where you parked your car [UPDATED: Vox attacks anti-racists as child abuse enablers]

Searching for your car: Not much like rape.
Searching for your car: Not much like rape.

In the world of fantasy writer and all-around hateful shithead Vox Day, women who are raped when they’re too drunk to consent should just suck it up, because reporting their rapes would be akin to someone calling police when they can’t remember where they’ve parked their car.

In a blog post today, Vox approvingly quotes a retiring British judge under fire for telling a newspaper that “the rape conviction statistics will not improve until women stop getting so drunk.” (This is the same judge who recently gave a teacher convicted of possessing a massive library of child porn a suspended sentence, saying that she couldn’t “criticise you for being a teacher who’s attracted to children.”)

Vox offers his take:

Perhaps women would be slower to put themselves in positions where they can be raped with impunity if they understood that they will not be taken at their word simply because they cry rape. It’s ridiculous. Can you imagine any other purported crime being investigated, much less prosecuted, on similarly vague grounds?

He follows this with an imaginary conversation between a young woman and the police in which she reports that her car is stolen because she can’t remember where she parked it.

It’s not really quite as hilarious as Vox imagines it to be.

PRO TIP: One way you can tell that forgetting where you parked your car is not actually much like rape is that no one actually calls police when they forget where they parked their car, while people do indeed report rapes, despite knowing that they will be grilled and second-guessed and called a “slut” and possibly mocked on the internet by assholes like Vox Day.

In the comments, one fellow suggests that feminists should have their right to vote taken away from them:

Feminists love to conflate the difference between saying that a drunk woman’s testimony is insufficient to establish a conviction of rape in a he/she said situation and the mythical attitude “she’s drunk so she’s asking for it even if she’s passed out on the floor.” They don’t understand that this is primary evidence for the fact that feminists should never be allowed to vote, because they’re (deliberately) too stupid to grasp the fundamental principles of civil society, or that alcohol affects men’s inhibitions as well as women’s.

Vox and his readers do indeed live in a fantasy land.

UPDATE: It’s a Vox Day twofer today! On his other blog today, Vox quotes a Daily Mail story claiming that the horrifying sexual abuse of 1400 children in Rotherham, England went unchecked in part because (as a report on the disaster notes) some social workers felt “nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist.”

Ignoring the fact that this is the self-serving claim of people who knowingly allowed this abuse to persist, and ignoring all of the other factors that contributed to this horrendous failure, Vox concludes that

the material costs of anti-racism are CONSIDERABLY worse than the material costs of racism …

Anti-racists not only actively celebrate predatory relationships, they regularly demonstrate that they have no problem whatsoever with child abuse, whether it occurs within the same race or is interracial. Moreover, what they falsely decry as “racism” is quite often nothing more than the exercise of the Constitutional right of free association. …

If you think that you possess the higher moral ground because you are anti-racist, think again. You are observably enabling widespread crime, particularly rape and child abuse, and are quite literally doing material harm to your own nation.

Astounding. Appalling. And just plain ridiculous.

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myfuzzypaws
myfuzzypaws
6 years ago

Seriously? I have to wonder why so many of these people seem to want people who commit the act of rape to be not accountable for their actions. They act like there is some kind of gotcha way to do this, and it is all okay.

MaudeLL
6 years ago

On a side note (because what else is left to say about hole digging Theodore Beale), judges really should stop wearing those silly wigs. Or they should just go full blown and add a clown nose or something. I was trying to read the telegraph article linked, but the wig makes it really hard to take seriously.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Pretty sure that I always know where to find my vagina, dude. And no, being drunk is not like handing any asshole who happens to be around the keys.

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

(This is the same judge who recently gave a teacher convicted of possessing a massive library of child porn a suspended sentence, saying that she couldn’t “criticise you for being a teacher who’s attracted to children.”)

HAAAAAAAAAAAA. Did you see the other gem from Vox about how anti-racists <a href="http://www.donotlink.com/bc11"want to promote child sexual abuse (or something, it’s awfully hard to tell from someone as incoherent as he is–oh, and trigger warning for child sexual abuse for that link).

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

Well, I can’t seem to make the HTML work. The link I meant to post was http://www.donotlink.com/bc11

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Yes because being a rape survivor is exactly the same as being a car. Cars have to give consent too, and have personal agency.

Bloody hell, I assume his sci fi writing is as crap as his ability to use metaphors.

Lady Mondegreen
6 years ago

…the mythical attitude “she’s drunk so she’s asking for it even if she’s passed out on the floor.”

Not very long ago, I saw that “mythical attitude” expressed quite openly on the comment thread of a popular blog, and nobody challenged it.

(Actually the attitude was [paraphrasing]: “Sure I would; if I didn’t someone else would, and besides, she obviously doesn’t have much self-respect.”)

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

Wow. For a writer, he’s extremely bad at analogies.

“Hello, police? I’d like to report my car stolen.”

“All right, when did this happen?”

“Last night.”

“Where was the car last?”

“At a friends house, I can give you the address.”

“What were you doing over there?”

“Uh… I was at a party?”

“Was there alcohol involved?”

“Hang on, why is this relevent?”

“Just answer the question, miss.”

“Yes, I had a few drinks. I didn’t want to drive home so my friend let me sleep over. When I woke up my car was gone.”

“So you got drunk, and your car was stolen, hmm? What else did you expect?”

“What do you mean? I expect my car to still be there.”

“Maybe if you didn’t get so drunk you could have driven home. Where were your keys?”

“What?”

“I asked ‘Where were your keys?'”

“I.. um… In my pocket? They were stolen too.”

“And do you know who took those keys to steal your car?”

“No.”

“Well then, how do you even know it was stolen? Maybe you just misplaced your keys?”

“My car is gone.”

“Listen, I can’t go on ‘he said, she said.’ You were drunk, who knows what happened to your car. Unless you can prove it was stolen, don’t call the police again.”

“Car thefts statistics won’t improve until people like you stop getting so drunk.”

Can I speak to someone else?

Lady Mondegreen
6 years ago

And it was a real-enough attitude in Steubenville.

By the way, PZ Myers has a funny article about Theodore “VD” Beale over at Pharyngula. Did you know Teddy is a scientist? He is, he says so himself!

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
6 years ago

And for some reason, this is the post that makes me feel like I have to vomit, so I’m gonna go sit in a corner and play Civ4 for a while. Vox Day can go bathe in an ocean of legos. Broken ones.

(funny, my browser tried to close when I switched to this thread, so I’m gonna take that as a sign, make a tomato sandwich and contemplate going out for beer).

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

Vox Day is Best Day!

*twweeeeebpbpbphbphb*

cloudiah
6 years ago

That judge is a real piece of shit too.

Athywren
Athywren
6 years ago

Oh for fuck’s sake. I saw that on the news earlier, and I nearly threw the TV through the TV.
Stop laughing. I would have made that work. I’m magic.
You didn’t report a crime because you were afraid of being thought racist? Bullshit. If a Pakistani commits a crime, then it is not racist to report that. What’s racist is suggesting that all Pakistanis are criminals. Unless you were planning to do that, then it would not have been racist. What, do you think we’re of the opinion that racial minorities are incapable of committing crimes? Really? Ridiculous.

Athywren
Athywren
6 years ago

The thing that really annoys me about the issue of being too drunk to consent is that MRAs like to ask, as if it’s some kind of gotcha, how they’re supposed to know if someone is too drunk to consent. I mean, correct me if I’m wrong here, but isn’t that pretty much exactly the point? I mean, sure, they might get lucky and she might’ve been entirely aware and happy with what was going on, or maybe she was too drunk but wanted it anyway (sort of a not-rape by not-regret, huh?) but they also might be taking advantage of someone in a debilitated state, and surely decent people are supposed to care about things like that?

modmyst
6 years ago

Why don’t they identify? They’re flesh & blood, right? If someone left a deposit in their lower intestine while they were blotto, wouldn’t they send it to the lab?

Athywren
Athywren
6 years ago

Ok… so that was badly phrased… a thing that really annoys me about the MRA approach to the issue, etc.
I also hate that they’re offended that they’re expected to care that they might be raping someone.
And now I’m going to go get some sleep, because my wordbrain appears to be shutting down.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

They don’t understand that this is primary evidence for the fact that feminists should never be allowed to vote, because they’re (deliberately) too stupid to grasp the fundamental principles of civil society, or that alcohol affects men’s inhibitions as well as women’s.

Speaking of stupid, Teddy Boy, you’re soaking in it. Why do men who rape get a free pass for being drunk and slutty, but women who GET raped, DON’T?

I guess that if a rape falls in a bottle forest and you didn’t hear screams, it never happened.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I personally consider running around raping drunk people to be extremely un-civil, but perhaps this is just because of my silly little ladybrain.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Or any people, in fact. Rape – not in fact a necessary component of a civilized society, and in fact some of us might consider it very uncivil indeed.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Perhaps women would be slower to put themselves in positions where they can be raped with impunity if they understood that they will not be taken at their word simply because they cry rape. It’s ridiculous.

Yeah, Tedders, it’s ridiculous, all right. All the more so because the average woman, even if she can fully demonstrate that she was innocent of all wrongdoing, will STILL not be believed. I once heard it said that the only rape victims who get taken at their word are babies in diapers, and eighty-year-old nuns with a minimum of six bullet holes and/or stab wounds.

And what is “being raped with impunity”, anyway? If anything, rape is punitive. A woman who gets raped is being punished for being a woman, and for being someplace where someone thinks she shouldn’t be, doing something they think she shouldn’t do. Rape IS punishment. For being female.

It’s like he doesn’t know any women at all, and that in turn makes me wonder if he really IS married, or just making that shit up like all the rest of his shit.

DreamingRainne (@DreamingRainne)

So according to this guy, If women drink, then it’s okay to rape her? Women aren’t allowed to drink anymore, basically? And I assume – because clearly he has too much integrity to resort to double standards – that if a guy gets drunk, it’s okay for gay men to rape him? After all, if you didn’t want that, you shouldn’t have been drinking, right?

And seconding Athywren: If in doubt, err on the side of “no”. Better to wish you had made a move, than to wish you hadn’t.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

the material costs of anti-racism are CONSIDERABLY worse than the material costs of racism …

Tell that to the slaves who died in the Middle Passage, asshole.

steampunked (@steampunked)

I think I have enough material to write the sci-fi story I had in mind about the MRAs, now, but the problem is that the behaviour is so over the top they don’t work as villains. It’s too much like a parody.

It’s hard working out how to write about them without them being caricatures – I don’t really want to tone it down, but it’s so obviously ‘mustache twirling villain’…

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Well, I guess at least he’s honest about the fact that he thinks rape is an appropriate punishment for drinking (but only for women).

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
6 years ago

Steampunked
Please share it when you’re done! 😀

Brain bleach if anyone wants it
http://youtu.be/7WbA3N4_gHM

quantumscale
quantumscale
6 years ago

I was going to try to write something witty, but my head hurts from all the literal face-palming I did while reading that. Ow.

Bina, I think he means that the rapists are able to rape with impunity, but his writing skills are severely lacking so who knows.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
6 years ago

@cassandrakitty: Pretty sure that I always know where to find my vagina, dude.

More female privilege. It’s misandry all over again.

Luzbelitx
6 years ago

Ugh, no comments.

Just this cat:
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pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

This post does remind me of the (true?) story of a parking attendant at a local horse racecourse. Parking was in a big field. He got all the drivers of white coloured cars to park in one area, ditto for each of the other car colours. That was Dr Evil levels of genius.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
6 years ago

Steampunked: I think I have enough material to write the sci-fi story I had in mind about the MRAs, now, but the problem is that the behaviour is so over the top they don’t work as villains. It’s too much like a parody.

And you should probably read Elizabeth Moon’s Serrano Legacy series before doing so, specifically _Rules of Engagement_ and it’s use of a group styled the “”New Texas Godfearing Militia”. Guess what their beliefs as regards gender relations are like…

cloudiah
6 years ago

Ugh, that child abuse story. TW: If you can stomach it, here’s a better source than the Daily Mail.

UK police have a long history of ignoring rapes reported by adult women, so I shouldn’t be surprised that they would do the same for children. Infuriating.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Bina, I think he means that the rapists are able to rape with impunity, but his writing skills are severely lacking so who knows.

Those were my thoughts, too.

And how this guy gets off calling himself a writer when he can’t do it for shit, I don’t know. Is the bar so low for right-wing buffoons?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 years ago

If I forget where my car is parked, it’s not going to result in potential pregnancy, STDs, lasting physical/psychological trauma, and the ordeal of being interrogated and dragged through the mud and slut-shamed by rape apologists. At most, it’s going to make me slightly panicky, irritated and late. What a colossal Category 5 asshole to think those two events have even a superficial resemblance to one another.

On a more cheerful note, Vox Day’s godawful novella finished 377 votes below “No Award” in the Hugo balloting. So there’s that.

Nequam
Nequam
6 years ago

And how this guy gets off calling himself a writer when he can’t do it for shit, I don’t know. Is the bar so low for right-wing buffoons?

Yes. Yes it is.

redpoppy
redpoppy
6 years ago

In the twisted world of Vox Day, he probably feels women cannot and should not consent to anything. You know, much like any other object.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

What a colossal Category 5 asshole to think those two events have even a superficial resemblance to one another.

It’s a reflection of the privilege that I’m sure he would deny having that this is the best analogy he can construct. I’ve also seen rape analogized to robbery or mugging, and lately (possibly here) to having one’s bike stolen.

I sure wish I lived in a world in which rape was so foreign a concept to women that they couldn’t wrap their heads around it without likening it to property crime.

Fred_the_Dog
6 years ago

Why is it always “cry rape”? What is it with these people and outmoded or weird language? The only other use of that that I can think of is “cry havoc”, which is used in Shakespeare, thus not modern, and pretty much a cliche because it’s been overused in books and movies.

Plus when I see a person passed out on the floor, my first action is to make sure they are breathing, and if not evidently a fall, put them into recovery position, not to assault anyone. Good grief, they are monsters.

Shaenon
6 years ago

Perhaps women would be slower to put themselves in positions where they can be raped with impunity if they understood that they will not be taken at their word simply because they cry rape.

It’s true. The threat of rape is often used to discourage women from going out in public, pursuing jobs and educations, making friends, having fun, and generally enjoying normal human lives. The thing is, most people see this as an argument against rape, whereas this sad bastard sees it as an argument for it.

Shaenon
6 years ago

On a more cheerful note, Vox Day’s godawful novella finished 377 votes below “No Award” in the Hugo balloting. So there’s that.

Ha! That’s the same thing that happened years ago when the Scientologists managed to get one of L. Ron Hubbard’s crappy novels on the ballot. Sometimes “No Award” just wanted it more.

AND he got his butt beat by a woman.

Arete
Arete
6 years ago

@Fred_the_Dog

Why is it always “cry rape”? What is it with these people and outmoded or weird language? The only other use of that that I can think of is “cry havoc”, which is used in Shakespeare, thus not modern, and pretty much a cliche because it’s been overused in books and movies.

I think they are using it as in “cry wolf.” Because women always and only claim they were raped if they are lying to get attention. *vomits*

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

And now they are suggesting that at least you don’t that sort of thing on any ‘feminist monitored campus’

https://twitter.com/hashtag/dateoffcampus?src=hash

https://twitter.com/dateoffcampus

yikes

Cthulhu's Intern
6 years ago

Date off campus? Let’s pretend that false rape accusations are actually a problem. How the hell is dating off campus supposed to do anything about that?

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

Maybe its not about false accusations. These guys are saying the goal is to date women who are more rational and they can do so without the unwarranted risk of ruining their lives. But purposely avoiding feminist scrutiny is offensive and misogynistic. College women don’t want to get drunk and rejected if they feel like having sex.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

…Huh?

Greg
Greg
6 years ago

I’ve pretty much come to the conclusion that most of the MRM’s are not actually about men at all, but, man-children and their “rights.” These are boys that still believe that every Woman should give them everything just like their Mother did (or did not). The “dating off campus” statement is a great example.

“University men avoid feminism, campus princess culture and college tribunals by dating gracious non-college women who live and work near campus.”

Which is just fancy words for this – “Fuck this house! Mom and her stupid rules. She should be grateful that I even did this much, fucking bitch. Fuck this I’m running away – she’ll know how bad she hurt me then!”

I bet you the campus ladies won’t be able to sleep for days, oh the sadness they will feel!

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

Ah, that is funny. But really, its giving them too much credit to say they are thinking about how the campus ladies feel about it. They see an option and go for it with tunnel vision. It certainly could be a learning experience as many ‘working class’ girls are tough as heck.

Tefo
Tefo
6 years ago

Maybe upon graduation that kid will get one of these little blue dating books. Its scary

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Us-passport.jpg

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

If feminist really is pervasive and controlling all aspects of society… wouldn’t dating off campus just mean dating a feminist who wasn’t going to that college?

I’m doing this wrong again, aren’t I. I keep trying to identify the logic in the MRA conclusions.

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