Categories
a woman is always to blame all about the menz antifeminism are these guys 12 years old? atheism minus entitled babies evil women excusing abuse geek girls girl germs harassment hypocrisy imaginary oppression irony alert men who should not ever be with women ever misogyny MRA no games for girls no girls allowed one hundred upvotes oppressed men reddit women in tech

Men's Rights Activists: Video gaming should be a "safe space" for male nerds.

No girls allowed!
Safe space! No girls allowed!

Though Men’s Rights activists devote an enormous amount of their time denouncing feminism – or at least the imaginary version of feminism that exists only in their own heads – they’re happy to appropriate feminist concepts when it suits them. One that many MRAs seem especially eager to claim for themselves is the idea of the “safe space.”

Of course, their version of the “safe space” bears only a slight resemblance to the feminist original. Feminists seek to create spaces for discussion in which say, rape survivors can discuss their experiences without being triggered by insensitive arguers and trolls and mansplainers in general.

When MRAs talk about “safe spaces,” by contrast, their goal is often to exclude women not just from discussion spaces but from full participation in society, essentially declaring giant arenas of work and play, from STEM fields to video games, to be places where feminists, and women in general, should fear to tread.

And so it’s hardly surprising that more than a few MRAs are arguing that the Zoe Quinn “scandal” proves that women and gaming don’t mix – or, at least, that they shouldn’t.

Consider the little manifesto recently “pinned” as the top post on the Men’s Rights subreddit, in which a fellow calling himself mradiscus lamented what he called “a pattern of female feminists migrating to formerly male spaces, demanding to be accommodated and eventually causing conflict and alienation.”

The “male spaces” he has in mind – the “hacking scene,” atheism, and the video game industry – won’t come as a shock to anyone familiar with the current state of nerdboy rage, but might trouble anyone who thinks that women are, you know, equal to men and have the same rights to choose their own careers and have their own interests and beliefs.

Not only that, but there is just a teensy bit of irony in that the way that MRAs and others are trying to drive off the feminist, er, invaders is by harassing them. That is, MRAs are appropriating the concept of “safe spaces” — designed to protect those in them from harassment and abuse — and using it as an excuse for … harassment and abuse.

But let’s step back a bit, because we still don’t have an answer as to why any of these “spaces” should be defined as male in the first place. How is atheism – the lack of a belief in god or gods – only a dude thing? When did guys get the right to call dibs on the gaming business?

Well, as mradiscus sees it, these “spaces” have traditionally been essentially nerdboy preserves, and should be protected from the pernicious influence of “female feminists” who, presumably, have no real interest in hacking or gaming or skepticism and whose real goal is just to make life hard for already beleaguered nerd dudes:

A scene predominantly populated by rather introverted young males becomes popular and attracts, among others, young women with a feminist mindset. Some of these women then go on and demand to be accommodated. Their demands are mostly met, and so we see the emergence of “gender awareness teams” at hacking conferences, no-means-no campaigns at anime conventions and a whole lot of conference panel slots devoted to “feminist this” and “gender that”.

Mradiscus then offers what I can only call a “revisionist” history of the harassment of feminist women from Rebecca Watson to Zoe Quinn:

What we also see is a whole lot of scandals. What seems to spark them most of the time is a overreaction to a minor offense, blown way out of proportion by a semi-popular feminist and her fan base who then proceed to launch an attack on the whole “misogynistic” scene. The young men feel cornered and unfairly attacked and retaliate with inappropriate and infelicitous measures which only leads to the feminists seeing their prejudices confirmed. Rape threat allegations are launched, there’s doxxing and name-calling all-around and new-found fame for a brave and courageous young feminist who may or may not proceed to make a career out of her struggle.

I should point out that none of the women who have allegedly “made … career[s] out of [their] struggles” actually asked to be harassed and demonized. If the harassers are angry that their harassment allowed Anita Sarkeesian to raise a lot more money than she asked for, they really have only themselves to blame.

Mradiscus ends with an ominous prediction-slash-threat that young men aren’t going to remain “patient” for much longer – and that things could get much worse for feminists venturing into these “male spaces.”

I wouldn’t be surprised, however, if the patience of these young nerdy men turns out to be a shallow well that’s drawing to a close. I sense quite a bit of alienation in the hacking and gaming sub-cultures when it comes to feminist topics. What do you think?

I think that you have a very strange notion of “patience.”

Naturally, MRAs being MRAs, mradiscus’ little manifesto – dripping with unexamined misogynistic assumptions and a quiet, curiously passive-aggressive rage – won praise and more than one hundred upvotes from the subreddit regulars.

The most extraordinary response to mradiscus’ rant was also the top-ranked comment, a long screed from a fellow calling himself a0i that argued, with complete seriousness (and occasional very confused references to the theories of Italian Marxist theorist Antonio Gramsci), that

The logic of how feminists target predominantly male spaces is very similar to the pattern of locust swarms.

Yep. Feminists are LOCUSTS.

Wherever there are men, there are targets for false accusations, male scapegoats, and fake victims. False accusations can’t happen without men, and neither can feminism. When there are too many women somewhere, you can’t claim that the environment is dominated by men, and feminists have nothing left to justify their presence. Feminists can’t thrive because they lack a scapegoat. They seek out a place where men are, and fabricate outrage at finding too many men in once place, at one time.

They have to find fresh environments with concentrations of male majorities, for “structures of misogyny” to pretend-struggle against. Thus, nerd culture being targeted, video games being targeted, Anita Sarkeesian making up being attacked, etc.

Yep, apparently all those hundreds of thousands of comments you might have seen attacking Sarkeesian all over the internet are nothing but a mirage.  That Flash game in which you could cover her face in bruises? You must have dreamed it.

It’s telling that a major feminist concern is for “women’s exclusive space”, while another feminist concern is for “women’s inclusion in male-dominated spaces”. They fight to get in, just to kick the men out.

Feminists demand unlimited access for women, as proof of men’s commitment to equality, but demand limited access for men, to prove men’s concern for safety.

Wat? I’m pretty sure no feminists are talking about excluding men from video gaming.

This works, despite the irony that — if you believed in their equality, you wouldn’t make special accommodations for their safety.

Uh, no, because if one group faces systematic oppression because of prejudice, the only way to ensure an egalitarian society is by making “special accommodations for their safety.” That’s why we have hate crime laws.

In the case of gaming, and atheism and tech in general, the only “special accommodations” feminists have asked for have been, you know, protection from sexual harassment and assault. Protections that also apply to men.

If there is one principle to understand about the tactics used to engineer women’s privilege over men in society, it is this:

  • what you intend to do to an opponent, you must accuse them of doing to you”

Frame your victim as your victimizer, put them in a position to want to prove themselves innocent. Frame your attacks as self-defense, frame your transgressions as righteous. Frame the enemy as using propaganda, make this part of your propaganda. Frame the enemy as a threat, before you launch your attack. Pretend to be a victim, while attacking the accused.

Apparently MRAs are utterly oblivious to irony.

 

371 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
10 years ago

I was a gamer as a kid in the late 80s and early 90s. No one said it was for boys.

I was there as well, and I can say that although there was often some divide on which types of games boys and girls played (and who the manufacturers were pitching to) video games were beloved equally by boys and girls, and nobody thought of it as exclusively a “boy” thing. And games like Mario Kart were often a great fun bridge for boys and girls to video game together. (Damn, I loved Mario Kart.)

This misogynists toxicity is real the late arrival to the house party.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

The hyper-sexualization definitely wasn’t there in the beginning. Ms Pac Man was about as sexy as it got back then, and even the most creative misogynist would have a hard time making Asteroids sexy.

Incognita Secunda
10 years ago

@cassandrakitty–Almost certainly, they would. But, you know, even if it does get overly warm in those convention centers sometimes, I’m not going to go to the trouble of baring my cleavage and midriff if I have to smear green makeup all over them and figure out how not to get that crap all over everything. Besides, badass locust feminists would wear practical clothing for infiltration purposes.

Maybe we should have a Praying Mantis Brigade, too, so we could mock their fears of feminists decapitating male sex partners.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

And now I’m picturing a designer staring at Asteroids trying to figure out where to put the boobs.

Incognita Secunda
10 years ago

Last comment not meant to imply that I give a damn about geekdude complaints re: non-sexiness in cosplaying, because we are not obligated to give them boners in order to attend cons, of course. Really just enumerating the pragmatic reasons why Feminist Locust Swarm should be non-sexy.

Cassie's Major Domo
Cassie's Major Domo
10 years ago

Well there was the short-lived early ’80s-era attempts to make “porn” games for the Atari 2600, which resulted in the “Insulting to Everybody” Custer’s Revenge.

Littlefish
Littlefish
10 years ago

“They say “Women are taking our stuff because they don’t want us to have it” but all I hear is “Ew, girl cooties!”.”
Hmm, I can see that… As a young girl, I was somewhat envious of the guys that had Sega Gamegears and my friend that had a Gameboy. I enjoyed playing with the guys, but I recall at least one of them being very insistent that I could not play with his toys because I would break them. I’ll add to the “Ew, girl cooties” that there is probably still some of that “Girls are DUMB!!!” thing that a lot of boys had as kids.

Heck, I still get the sort of “Your not doing it right” from people when I play WoW. Gosh all you “serious” gamers, sorry I don’t want my relaxing escapism hobby to become like a second job. Sorry me taking enjoyment from just messing around just totally ruins the whole game for you.

Mr. Nick:
“I totally agree (except I know what it feel like to be a white female :P). And with so many options, I end up making 10 different characters with a variety of weird hairstyles, eye colors, and skin colors. ”

Heh, well I can one up you on that. I’ve played as non-human characters…. and no, I don’t go claiming “except, I know what it feels like to be a crow… or a fox… or a bunny, or a pony, or a cat or a bat or a….” Because playing something and BEING something are quite different. I’ve played male characters. I’ve played humanoid pandas, humanoid cows, goblins, trolls… well every race in WoW. And I guess I could say that people are a hell of a lot more patronizing when I’m an animal… but I certainly don’t get “my dick is ___ inches long, isn’t that amazing? Don’t you want to fuck me?” when I’m a ferret or when I’m a male humanoid.
At the end of the day, when you log off, you’re a guy. Whenever someone IMs you, you’re a guy. I’m still a female. I can’t just turn on voice and be all “HEY GUYS!” and they’ll instantly shut the heck up.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

Given the rate at which games are made into trilogies (or longer) and how both games and movies are just remaking old material rather than coming up with a whole lot of new material…

I’m picturing gritty hulking space marines defending earth from asteroids in grey-brown space ships with gratuitous boobs and butt commanders. I’m seeing guns the size of the ship, machine guns for the inevitable “oh my god that asteroid was filled with bug aliens that are attacking us now” and UFOs. I’m imagining a climax like that one movie where they had to drill a bomb into the asteroid to break it up, with shakey-cam third-person running as fire bursts up from the ground. In space.

Fuck. I started this in sarcasm, but now I literally see this happening.

pollydactyl
10 years ago

I just started a blog dedicated to me catching up on video games I missed, because I wasn’t allowed to play anything when I was a kid. I considered keeping it on the downlow that I’m a woman, but I decided not to because I shouldn’t have to hide that. I hope guys like this won’t make me regret this decision. At least so far all five people who have looked at it have been nice!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

If we’re talking nerd stuff in general rather than just games, can I vent for a second? Pacific Rim. Giant dinosaur monsters and mecha? Sign me up! My inner ten year old could not have been happier about that movie.

Except for right at the end, where they engineered the plot so that the girl became helpless and the Token White Guy was the one to save the day. This annoyed me not just as a woman, but as a writer. It made no narrative sense! Given the backstory they gave her she should have been the one to go drop the bomb on the monsters. It would have been far more emotionally satisfying, plot-wise, and it seemed like that’s where they were going because of the final scene between her and mentor/substitute dad. But then suddenly she’s unconscious and Token White Guy has to save the day by himself. Why? Sexism, that’s why!

Still enjoyed the movie but damn, that shit was annoying.

Littlefish
Littlefish
10 years ago

Kirbywarp… why would they be fighting the gratuitous boobs… I thought that we were to rescue or capture such things and then keep them as a prize.

Also, now I’m imagining the super gross flood level of halo, but instead of just being fleshy and disturbing, now having boobs and butts randomly poking out of places. I think some of your sentences combined in my brain.

Bina
Bina
10 years ago

Funny thing, my phone just suggested “libertarian” as the next word I should enter after I typed the word “misogynist.”

My phone seems to know the manospere well.

Heh. Try writing “fuckhead” and see what it coughs up!

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Zoe and Rebecca are attractive women who behaved with full autonomy. These guys are about punishing attractive women for committing the sin of not behaving like nerdbros want them to. Isn’t that funny, how most of their stalking targets and hate campaigns are centered on pretty women? I think that’s why they stuck with Rebecca so long. They can have their revenge on all the pretty women who never gave them the time of day while satisfying their stalker woodies. With Rebecca, there was a vibe of, “Hey, women can’t tell us what to do!” combined with, “All attractive women should be sexually available to us whenever we say.”
With Zoe, it’s more like old-fashioned slut shaming with a twist of, “If she was his girlfriend, then she was his property — even after they break up.” Of course, there were extra notes of “Girls shouldn’t be in gaming — period!”

They get extra sensitive about this, I think, because the only time they feel truly alpha is when they’re killing shit in a game. If a woman shows up, enjoying the same game they feel emasculated or some such shit.

Over and over again they prove they’re obsessed with conventionally attractive women while at the same time wanting to hate them so very badly.

Binjabreel
Binjabreel
10 years ago

Oh, it’s happening, alright.

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt1468290/

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@Littlefish:

o_o

<_<

._O

… I think they already did that with Duke Nukem Forever…

@cassandrakitty:

Oof, yeah. That kinda slipped by me because she wasn’t the main character, she was the side-character-with-tragic-backstory-turned-love-interest, but it really would have been so much better for her to push the win button. Especially since it would have her arc complete with overcoming her initial problems with the mind-meld stuff.

Speaking of the mind-meld, what? Doesn’t a mind-meld mean the two people should be talking in sync, as if they were one person? Shouldn’t they already know everything the other is thinking, so they don’t need to communicate much except for effect? A whole cool concept was just ignored for no reason.

leftwingfox
10 years ago

Littlefish: Heh. In WoW, I had three max level characters; two were Tauren women. If I can play an animal or animal-person in a game, I do. It’s often a major deciding factor when buying.

And yeah, playing a woman is definitely not the same as being a woman RL playing.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

And racism, too. Just to add some icing on the shit sundae. Kill the black guy and the entire team of Chinese guys, make sure the Japanese woman is out of the picture, so that Token White Guy can save us all.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@Binjabreel:

You know, the biggest surprise for me is that the director isn’t Uwe Boll.

Littlefish
Littlefish
10 years ago

Kirbywarp… did I break you… OH NOES!!!! I’m sorry, I’ll go get some glue.

Incognita Secunda
10 years ago
Reply to  pollydactyl

@pollydactl–I sincerely, devoutly hope that everyone who visits you continues to be nice, but given how I’ve seen too many guys react to women posting about gaming online, I suspect they won’t. Just be prepared to use the block function with extreme prejudice or limit your comments to a select community, or even just eliminate comments, if need be–unless you want to do serious troll battle, in which case, more power to you!

cloudiah
10 years ago

Anyone see Guardians of the Galaxy?

Littlefish
Littlefish
10 years ago

Hmm I felt the women were under developed and kinda flat in Guardians of the Galaxy…

cloudiah
10 years ago

Oh, and for those of you who never had a chance to see him in action, scroll up to see a comment from NWOslave. That’s right, this NWOslave.

pollydactyl
10 years ago

@Incognita Secunda- I hope so too! I am definitely not cut out for troll battles, so block button it is! Part of my decision to not hide my gender is because I figured no one would ever even look at it, but I’ve already been proven wrong in that. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong again and everyone will stay nice!

@cloudiah- I saw Guardians of the Galaxy. It was a lot of fun and the soundtrack was amazing, but there were definitely things that bothered me about it.

Fibinachi
10 years ago

Oh wow, he’s alive. Hey man, I hope you’re okay and living an enjoyable life.

1 3 4 5 6 7 15