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Men Going Their Own Way agree: "The economic of Sex for women is at 0%"

The price of ladies is plummeting!
The price of ladies is plummeting!

Some thoughts on the economics of sex from the fellas over at MGTOWHQ.com.

It’s not looking good for the ladies, at least according to the guys who’ve decided they’re totally over women, honest, but who somehow can’t stop talking about how totally over women they are, honest.

A fellow called TheShaman offers some thoughts on the complete worthlessness of women after they hit the proverbial “wall” somewhere shy of age 40 and are suddenly transformed from swans back into ugly ducklings. He starts off with an idea cribbed directly from good old Warren Farrell before moving on to more advanced Cock Carousel Theory (CCT):

A woman, traditionally, would have used her youth and beauty as a down-payment to a man, to secure his loyalty so that he would stay with her for what could be as long as 50 years of Post-Wall woman.

Nowadays women squander their SMV wealth on bad boys, giving away all their value to Alpha Fucks, and then expect that Beta’s to provide the bucks to settle their massive debts. Especially women in the West- all of the sweetness once expected from women is gone- no ability to cook, no desire to please, no willingness to make a man’s life better. These cock carousel riders only feel like settling down and getting married when they have maybe 1-3 years of decent youth left to her.

A woman truly only has, maybe, 20 good years to her. Afterward, she becomes an aging monster, increasingly bitter over the fact that her best years are behind her.

Women- NEVER BUY.

Not all of the assembled MGTOWers are willing to agree with TheShaman’s radical proposition – that is, that women ever have any value.

As Hank Moody sees it, women are worthless long before they hit the wall:

The economic of Sex for women is at 0%. Its over for cunts, the cat is out of the bag. No sane man will pay for some used slut.

Wallkeeper, meanwhile, reminds the fellas that they’re the real prize. Hooray for fellas!

men must realize that we’re the prize, women are just a sexual fantasy, an accessory, a luxury.
a man can live without sex and without women, a woman cannot live without men.

In return for these valuable insights, I would like to offer all Men Going Their Own Way some concrete suggestions on where exactly they might go. How about one of these lovely islands, all conveniently devoid of women and other humans?

 

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idledillettante
10 years ago

My bad, I’ll lay off. It’s not Wetherby I’m angry at; it’s somebody else who uses that expression.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Also, did you ever get a welcome package? It helps navigating a bit…

Fibinachi
10 years ago

Try not to start comments with “My wife…” I tend to read them as “MY GIRLFRIEND…” and there’s nothing in that next whole paragraph to leaven this sexist bread. Basically she followed the 90% and why? Because she had already changed her name a bunch of times before? Because to her (and by extension women generally) changing her name was “no big deal”?

Way to prove my point, dude.

So what if he starts them with “So this other day, my wife”. Then he isn’t starting them with “my wife”, and your criterion is passed.

There is a rather significant difference between saying “Hey, my wife changed her name like other people” and “My wife reads a book, so rape culture doesn’t exist”. Please don’t be the kind of annoying person who conflates the two, and then pretends there’s no difference?

Although I totally get your point, it’s very very often that a whole lot of people try to somehow make their ideals and ideas palpable by going “So my girlfriend is totally fine with being forced to do domestic labor for hours on end, what’s the problem guys, I’m just saying”. Yet there you can instantly tell that the difference is not “This other person I know did this” but “This other person I know did this, so you must do the same or else you are WRONG“.

My guess is you’ve had some bad experiences with that phrase and fools, in a gloriously sad combination, but Wetherby’s cool (and did in fact go on to say that if name-changing had been required, he’d have changed the name himself, and his wife would not, so there you go).

Instead maybe tell us about the problem you have with the phrase, or the person causing you to have that problem.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Really sorry if you felt I was jumping on you. Did not intend.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
10 years ago

Oh, fedora-guy! “Keyboards that probably aren’t even mechanical” … ???

Where are these non-mechanical keyboards and where can I get one?

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
10 years ago

I do have an ever-so-minor irritation with the urge to justify woman-changing-name decisions whenever the topic is brought up. It makes me want to joke about how it seems that 90% of women somehow have horrible-to-spell given names while 90% of men are named “Smith” or “Thomas” or “Anderson”. I don’t think the math works out…

But it’s an ever-so-minor irritation, so I’ll just leave that bad joke there 😀

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
10 years ago

That fedora guy has got to be a joke. Right? RIGHT? … right???

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

I’ll admit to not changing my name when I got married not because of any feminist ideals but because I was too lazy to fill out all the required paperwork.

mildlymagnificent
10 years ago

deniseeliza

I hear your cry of pain. But you do know, really, that there really are some people who are like that. So much like that that they’re willing to go public with it.

Siiiiigh.

Nequam
Nequam
10 years ago

Where are these non-mechanical keyboards and where can I get one?

He might mean the kind where the key, when depressed, forces down a raised bubble on a plastic membrane to make electrical contact. They’re apparently called full-travel membrane keyboards and most keyboards these days are like that.

Some geeks really, really like the buckling-spring keyboards, which used to come with the earlier IBM PCs. They have a stronger tactile feedback but are really noisy. There are companies who make buckling-spring computer keyboards for those who care enough to pay.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
10 years ago

He might mean the kind where the key, when depressed, forces down a raised bubble on a plastic membrane to make electrical contact.

LOL I would hardly call that a non-mechanical keyboard! I had something in mind that would read my thoughts. 😀

They have a stronger tactile feedback but are really noisy.

They also exacerbate my hand and wrist problems. Happy was the day when I swapped out a broken-down old keyboard for a new one and the keys were SO SOFT. It was like typing on a cloud!

I wish all the luck to Fedora Guy and I hope his keyboard preferences don’t destroy his hands and wrists.

cloudiah
10 years ago

My sister always said she wanted to change her name when she got married because our last name can sound like sexual innuendo if you don’t enunciate carefully. But then she ended up marrying a guy with a last name that was long and Polish and hard for some people to pronounce/spell. So they* tried to figure out a way to make a kind of portmanteau out of their names, but they all came out sounding like sexual innuendo in Polish.

TL;dr: They each kept their respective names.

* Actually that might have been me, more than them. I wanted them to adopt a last name that sounded like sexual innuendo in Polish.

Nequam
Nequam
10 years ago

PoM: at first I kind of preferred the clicky keyboards, but after a while the noise got to me. Plus, over time the membrane keyboards have gotten considerably less mushy-feeling.

As for marriage name changes: I kept my name out of laziness. Took my husband and I 10 years to get from meeting to settled enough to tie the knot, and really the name change seemed so unimportant by then. The thing is, I got a surname that’s easy to make jokes about and my husband doesn’t, so you’d think I’d’ve wanted very much to change my name… except that somehow even if my surname’s goofy I’m USED to it and content to keep it.

(But shut up about 4:20. No, really. I’m tired of hearing about it.)

Kim
Kim
10 years ago

I need advice, OT. Does anyone know how to stop dogs from eating every book I own?

I am not an expert but, my suggestion is make it easy for your dog to succeed. Make sure all books are kept out of their reach, and give similar alternatives to chew like cardboard boxes. To actively redirect them, make a book available under supervision, and when they show interest in it, rouse on them and offer them the alternative with praise.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
10 years ago

@Kim

I had no idea such things exist! But that doesn’t look very conducive to balancing a keyboard on one knee so that the cat can nap on the other. I doubt I could use it.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
10 years ago

NonServiam: Women cannot live without men? There’s no men within a 10 metro radius of me – AM I GOING TO DIE??

Yes. The natural role of men is to fix nitrogen and carbon into sugars using sunlight, releasing oxygen into the atmosphere. Without men, no oxygen, and all other life-forms will ch-

Oh wait – I’m thinking of plants. Never mind then.

Tefo
Tefo
10 years ago

This message to American women has reached more than five million more people than everything on that “men doing their own thing” site. Is this Jenna person helping to create more ‘worthy’ women for those dudes?

http://youtu.be/EU20JnsYiXc

strivingally
10 years ago

That “Jenna person”, as you call her, is judging other women for not adhering to the “rules” about acceptable sexual conduct that she’s internalised. And done so in a way that makes “slut” deliberately ill-defined so it’s not something that can be refuted, because it’s entirely dependent on the judgement of others in the first place. The shorter version of her explanation of the word is “someone’s a slut if you think she’s a slut”. Which is effectively boiling down what’s wrong with the word itself, even though Jenna doesn’t realise it.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
10 years ago

“A woman cannot live without men”

Yeah, and fish cannot live without bicycles. God, I can’t believe people still believe this shit.

people will wonder why a man in their office is still single, and possibly (in error) attribute that as reflective of a problem, which would colour their judgements of that person.

I feel like here in the States, they’d just assume he was gay.

Wow. They want to believe this shit so bad.

It’s almost enough to make me feel sorry for them. Almost.

Let me repeat that if you missed it: Half of Americans think it should be required for women to change their last names when they marry.

Wut.

We listened to horror podcasts while we worked.

There’s more than one?! Share pls!

It is not apparent that these guys pose any negative effect on or to American women. Is there a reason beyond some fun mockery to write about them?

“They’re just misogynists. Why are you mocking them on a misogyny-mocking site?”

Does anyone know how to stop dogs from eating every book I own?

Depends on why they’re chewing. If they like to chew things, get more appealing chew toys. If they’re bored, then more appealing chew toys or some other form of entertainment.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Wait a minute. Why are we even talking about making women ‘worthy’ of dudes who want to go their own way? They’re supposed to be going their own way!

Really, I wouldn’t inflict these dudes on any woman, no matter how ‘worthy’.

Nor will I inflict myself on the men going their own way who actually go their own way.

Coming here and standing in the punch bowl is not going their own way.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Comment directed at mctrolly person, FYI.

Sorry for confusion!

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
10 years ago

@Shaun … cayenne pepper.

Or that bitter apples spray, but I can’t vouch for what either one will do to the books.

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
10 years ago

deniseeliza

I hear your cry of pain. But you do know, really, that there really are some people who are like that. So much like that that they’re willing to go public with it.

Siiiiigh.

Not all marrieds! 🙂

Fred_the_Dog
10 years ago

There’s some kind of ozone spray specifically to keep dogs away from particular things. You can get at Wally World and it actually works pretty well, but you have to apply it frequently. It doesn’t harm books or anything else. (we foster puppies for a shelter; I’ve had lots of experience)