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A proposed new anti-Anita Sarkeesian "documentary" promises to give voice to the loudest "silent majority" the world has ever known

I don’t usually post raw videos from the insufferable assholes I write about on this site because, well, they’re insufferable assholes, and listening to them smugly opine about shit they’re completely ignorant about is generally about as entertaining as, you know, GirlWritesWhat videos. (I know, that’s a bit circular, but I really couldn’t come up with anything more insufferable than that.)

Anyhoo, I’ve broken my rule and posted this video because the two guys who made this video — the would-be filmmaking duo of jordanowen42 and Davis Aurini — are so over-the-top in their insufferable assholism that it’s actually kind of perversely charming.

You see, these two woman-hating YouTube blabbers — the first a belligerent doofus whose apartment is nearly as unkempt as mine, the other a sort of PUA version of Anton LaVey — are pitching what they claim will be an important new documentary exposing the evil “Social Justice Warrior” agenda of evil women and traitor men like Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn, and, well, I can’t remember the names of any of the men. It’s called The Sarkeesian Effect. And they want your money to fund it.

Their promised “feature-length documentary” will be a powerful work of investigative journalism that will give a voice to the voiceless — to the “silent majority” of, well, angry white dudes who spend whatever time they don’t spend playing video games posting obnoxious and abusive comments about Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn to YouTube and Reddit and eleven zillion other websites that cater to them.

In other words, this is the loudest “silent majority” I’ve ever run across.

But these are guys who love to pretend that their bold thoughts are being silenced, and PUA Anton LaVey Davis Aurini happily panders to their persecution complex:

Don’t let these people silence us. Your contribution will be a defiant strike against the degeneration and corruption that is going on in this world.

The word “degeneration” helps remind us that Aurini considers himself a part of the neo-Nazi-lite “Dark Enlightenment.”

Anyway, they argue that you should send them lots of money, because PUA Anton LaVey’s suits can’t be cheap you’ll be striking a blow for every dude who’s ever called Anita Sarkeesian a “whore” in a YouTube comment. Well, they don’t literally put it that way, but, you know, come on. That’s what they mean.

And hey, who wouldn’t trust this dude with their hard-earned cash?

Send me your money! Heh heh heh heh heh.
Send me your money! Heh heh heh heh heh.

I found this video hilarious from start to finish. Stick with it at least until, a little after 6 minutes in, PUA Anton LaVey Aurini lights up his second cigarette, showing what a devil-may-care attitude he has by mumbling his lines with a cigarette in his mouth as he fiddles with his lighter.

Yep, that’s the kind of quality investigative  journalism you can expect from these two.

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Kakanian
Kakanian
6 years ago

@GrumpyOldNurse

But in Warhammer 40K, the only sniper unit fieldable is made up of Hobbits.

girlscientist
girlscientist
6 years ago

Jordan Owen is the guy who spent ages scrutinizing pictures of Anita Sarkeesian, saw a slight difference in complexion between two pictures (because of diferent lighting/different make up/different colour shirts) and decided that Sarkeesian must be “trying to look more white.”
1) There is nothing in this line of reasoning that is not gross.
2) Even if anyone were inclined to entertain the idea, she’s Armenian, i.e. from the Caucasus, which makes the whole thing, in addition to gross, completely absurd.

Boogerghost
Boogerghost
6 years ago

I KNEW Feminist Frequency and WAM and Mammoth and my local GSA chapter and that slightly political clerk at the VHS rental place and my 6-year-old niece were all just fronts for a get-rich-quick feigned social justice scheme!! I KNEW it!! It’s an outrage, and somebody’s got to tell this story! Thank goodness these guys gained access to the INTERPOL Archives of Investigatey Investigativeness Concerning the Overuse of Political Correctness for Fame and Profit (IAIICOPCFP). Exclusive access. Because they’re, you know, just super, super important vloggers.

Aaahahahaha, this is just too great. Small props to them for discouraging outright hate speech, I guess… but holy underwritten metropolis is this a fail, Batman.

@girlscientist LOLWUT that makes him sound like even more of an asinine blowhard waste of space. That’s almost as good as those people who try to discredit her by saying, “BUT, LOOK, SHE HAS GENDER SIGNIFIERS. THEREFORE FEMINISM IS INVALID.”

strivingally
6 years ago

@kobun37:

There’s a really great article by Tracey Lien at Polygon breaking down the history of videogames and marketing thereof, that explains how games were marketed in a pretty gender-neutral way right up until the mid-90s, so this idea that gaming is and always has been “for boys” is a marketing creation, and a recent one at that.

strivingally
6 years ago

Holy Run-On Sentence Full Of Comma Splices, Batman!

Boogerghost
Boogerghost
6 years ago

Holy Poorly Researched Claims about FemFreq’s Production Quality, Batman!
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(For the part where they said getting way beyond her stretch funding didn’t affect the quality of her videos at all. And that’s without even mentioning that she expanded the series significantly and added a classroom curriculum.)

girlscientist
girlscientist
6 years ago

Okay, I just watched the video: the guy with cigarette definitely thinks he’s Don Draper (but he’s just not that smooth – and also, this is 2014).

daintydougal
daintydougal
6 years ago

I wish a was the gambling type so I could put money on the reasons they eventually give for this all falling through. I don’t think ‘being completely ridiculous and pointless’ will be one of them sadly.

NonServiam
NonServiam
6 years ago

Honestly, I enjoy the FemFreq videos, but they are really tame. She lists off examples of tropes – that’s pretty much it. You may as well be outraged at the TV Tropes website. She provides a tool to kickstart conversations about representation and storytelling. Useful – hardly extreme!

Kakanian
Kakanian
6 years ago

@strivingally

My mother and my aunts became rather avid videogamers when we got our first Gameboy during the 90s. I don’t think they ever bothered with Super Mario and such, but I clearly remember them all playing Tetris as if they had found their new religion.

NonServiam
NonServiam
6 years ago

I managed two minutes of that video. Snore. The BBC “have refused to acknowledge and explore” your issues, because there’s too much real news!

taitaisanchez
6 years ago

I love how they went on about production quality but they couldn’t keep Davis’ cigarette consistent in length.

Also, I say this as a smoker, ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww. What the hell are you doing.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

@kobun37

I’m not sure if this is still the case today, but back in the 80s marketing in the toy industry was highly gender-specific when it came to products companies calculate would only appeal to one gender. There were ‘boy toys’ commercials where only boys appeared and ‘girl toys’ commercials with just girls.

Remember My Buddy? And how there was initially no “girl” equivalent, and when one was released it was Kid Sister? I was never 100% sure what to think about that.

@NonServiam

Honestly, I enjoy the FemFreq videos, but they are really tame. She lists off examples of tropes – that’s pretty much it. You may as well be outraged at the TV Tropes website. She provides a tool to kickstart conversations about representation and storytelling. Useful – hardly extreme!

My theory about FemFreq is that the many references to lesser-known games fuels some of the froth. Dudes played these games, fell in love with them, and felt superior over having played/enjoyed a game that wasn’t widespread. Think about how people sometimes behave when they “discover” a hole-in-the-wall restaurant that has amazing cuisine.

Then Sarkeesian comes in and points out that the appetizers are just dressed-up McDonald’s and the health department gave the place a C pending clean up of the rat feces in the kitchen, and they explode in a way that never happens when it’s an actual McDonald’s with the rats.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

Also, thank you to emilygoddess. I am coming to the thread late and did not have to see ANY of those gifs. My appreciation knows no bounds.

NonServiam
NonServiam
6 years ago

Policy of Madness: Yeah, that must be it. I wonder if they know that the games companies want a wide audience?

But really, if Smokey and Sideburns want to make their movie – they can go ahead. I think they’ll be disappointed when they try to get a mainstream release though. If FemFreq isn’t getting on Netflix, why would a documentary trying to discredit Sarkeesian be of any commercial value at all?

vaiyt
6 years ago

The BBC “have refused to acknowledge and explore” your issues, because there’s too much real news!

They sound like the typical woo-peddler complaining that peer review is too hard.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

I wonder if they know that the games companies want a wide audience?

There’s some overlap between the male gamer demographic and the male comic book demographic, and we’ve seen that comic book companies are not necessarily amused when dudes run lady-money out of comic books, but it’s not like that stops them.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Smokey and Sideburns needs to be a slapstick buddy comedy about two self important, bumbling misogynists with no self awareness and the adventures they encounter while trying to make their “film”.

I feel they should have an adorable but mischievous pet monkey to instigates some shenanigans.

coffee
coffee
6 years ago

The only thing this thread has taught me is that I’m still confused as to why one would wear pants and flip-flops at the same time.

idledillettante
6 years ago

@boogerghost, my point exactly. The “Damsels in Distress” video is nearly 90 minutes long if you look at all three parts. And she recently released Part 1. of a new series about women as background decoration. And some of the graphics look original too; like she’s got an illustrator/animator to help with the art.

So saying theres “no appreciable increase in quality post Kickstarter” is tantamount to saying “I didn’t actually watch Anita’s videos”.

Though her old videos about fembots, Katniss Everdeen and the Bechdel test are also p. funny.

Jarred H
6 years ago

@idledillettante: The other possibility is that the two of them know absolutely nothing about video production quality. Given the fact that the strongest (only?) light source in the room with jordanowen42 in their video is behind him, I think that’s a likely possibility. (I mean, come on, I know almost nothing about photography and lighting, and I know better than that!)

NonServiam
NonServiam
6 years ago

Lea, I like all of that but might I suggest we replace the monkey with a surly mutated otter who got stuck with them via various mishaps? I just don’t think they need anything is instigate shenanigans. They would probably have that covered. The otter’s name can be Whiskers Gregory.

NonServiam
NonServiam
6 years ago

*anything TO instigate shenanigans.

I need to read before I post.

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
6 years ago

Re: Video game demographics

I remember my parents were addicted to Tetris. My mother was especially addicted to Dr Mario. As a kid I was upset because it meant more competition for the Nintendo, but not because my mother was a woman.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
6 years ago

I like this shiranui from okami. It’s a great game!

Haha, that was my thought too! I’m not much of a gamer, but I will sing the praises of Okami to anyone who sits still long enough.

Why do MRM and right wingers lover western civilization so much, I mean it clearly is not any better or worse then Eastern Civilization?

That’s easy: Eastern civilizations tend not to be made of white people.

S’eop law: When a sincere expression of extremism or fundamentalism is so ridiculous or over-the-top it becomes an unintentional self-parody.

Poe’sS’eop law: when you’re not sure if it’s a parody or not.

ONLY toys they thought would appeal to boys and girls had both in the commercials. I’m not saying this is a good thing, just that’s the way it was. (is?)

So the question is, if video games have always been this exclusive club for boys only, why do so many classic game commercials shows girls?

Whoa. This is a really excellent point!

Smokey and Sideburns needs to be a slapstick buddy comedy about two self important, bumbling misogynists with no self awareness and the adventures they encounter while trying to make their “film”.

I feel they should have an adorable but mischievous pet monkey to instigates some shenanigans.

Or a lab puppy that they get because it’s a “chick magnet”, but who turns out to be smarter than them and tries in vain to stop them from doing sexist shit.

Athywren
Athywren
6 years ago

Whiskers Gregory is a good name for anything… I imagine it would be the name of one of those crooks-for-hire in an old ’50s crime caper film. They call him whiskers, because of the way his mouth twitches around while he cracks a safe, making his never thoroughly shaven aspect resemble that of an intensely confused cat.
“Oi, Whiskers, giz up the barney, an’ we’ll switch yer a coupla cobblers by noon, aye?”

But yeah, I find it weird how some of these guys react to anything even remotely related to sexism. A few days ago, I responded to a comment – I know, engaging with comments… unwise – on one of the webcomics I occasionally read that was asking why people were pissed off with Samus’ new sexualised outfit for Smash Bros, and asking if they hadn’t seen her design in a different game where it was also sexualised. I explained that it was because games are, among other things, escapism, and being reminded of the ways that women are often treated like sex objects can bring people out of that escapist mindset. (I also mentioned that it’s possible that they were pissed off about the other design as well.) I’m pretty sure I managed to make my comment pretty neutral, merely explaining why people might take issue with it, not really openly taking a side… and yet…

So escapism is fine and dandy until it interferes with YOUR escapism.

And fuck everyone else, amirite?

… dude… what? I completely fail to even. I think some of them are just too far down the rabbit hole of feminism = nazi to be able to respond to what’s actually being said… or think about what they’re saying. I mean, seriously dude, you need women to be sexualised in your games in order to maintain your own escapism? I mean… that’s kind of just the real world, isn’t it? It’s not like you have to look far to find sexualised women… go on the internet, search anything at all in image search, turn safe search off, bingo. When I think escapism, I think starships, I think bars of elemental flame lancing out from my outstretched palms… I don’t think looking at the adverts on the side of the bus that passes my home. Maybe I’m just weird?

Athywren
Athywren
6 years ago

Ah, just so nobody thinks I’m steelmanning myself to make him look ridiculous, this is the comment that got that response:

Because games are escapism, at least some of them. People play them to get away from the nonsense of daily life, among other reasons. Being reminded of the way that women are often reduced to sex objects is not a great way to maintain escapism-based enjoyment.
…it’s also possible that the people who’re bothered by the new design were also bothered by previous designs.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

I remember our first console was a sega mega drive we picked up at a car boot sale, and all the games were disney except for robocod. When you look back at old games you can see that many if not most of them were androgynous in style and theme. Some were stereotypically “boys games” like doom and goldeneye, but the 8 bit classics like final fantasy, zelda and mario? Apart from the damsel in distress trope how are they “not intended for girls” exactly? I don’t believe gaming has always been for the lads, not originally. It’s a new generation of dudebros spawned by series like gta and cod that want to lay claim to All The Games. Except cooking mama of course, that one’s for wimminfolk to teach them how to make sandwiches.

NonServiam
NonServiam
6 years ago

Or they could have a pig who, ironically, is very anti-sexist and subtly undermines their plans.

And Athywren: Good point; some of these guys fly off the handle if you mention anything about how women are portrayed in games. It doesn’t matter how small the criticism is! They immediately jump to how us meanie feminists don’t want them to have any fun. Trust me, when I say I’d rather play as Zelda than Link, it’s my least political statement and it really is just me wanting to have fun too.

vaiyt
6 years ago

Samus’ new sexualised outfit for Smash Bros

It’s still immensely superior to the Melee version, where the moment she loses her armor, she starts swinging around a whip and twirling like a stripper, as if she became a completely different character.

You have all the right to have greater expectations, mind you. I’m saying as a long time fan of Smash Bros. who was deeply disappointed with ZZS’s original iteration. I didn’t expect Nintendo to change things at all, let alone positively.

vaiyt
6 years ago

*not Melee, Brawl.

Athywren
Athywren
6 years ago

I actually have no expectations at all… my experience with nintendo is limited to a wii at my parents’ house, which is mostly limited to wii sports, a snowboarding game, and a thing where you paint things with a thing, and an emulator for the good ol’ 8 bit games. Otherwise I’m a PC player to the core… unless you count trivia games on the ps2? So, other than wishing games companies in general would be more reasonable about their depictions of women, and also that they’d make a greater variety of games with playable female characters (because I really like Splinter Cell type games, but there’s only one of those that I’m aware of that has a female character, and it kind of sucks…) nothing nintendo does in the present really means anything to me.
I was just explaining why others might be pissed to a person who was asking the question.
He also referenced her Brawl outfit, but I suspect, and suggested, that people were also pissed off about that one, too.

Scabz
6 years ago

ai tweet about this post for some opinions from “followers” and ai get nonsense from a stranger named “who da fuck is this guy?”.

wtf did ai do wrong now?
and did ai break anything?
and sorry in advance…

is it common to get “who da fuck is this guy?” when u tweet about a post here?
thanx

Scabz
6 years ago

or in all seriousness… should ai be concerned?

Michał
6 years ago

This is simply disgusting. You trully show your level when all you can come up with is profanity and insults with some cheap strawmen about “hey, they actually mean they are misoginists”.

maistrechat
6 years ago

uh… what?

NonServiam
NonServiam
6 years ago

Are misoginists some sort of gin/miso soup cocktail? That sounds awful.

taitaisanchez
6 years ago

Wait, didn’t Davis Aurini say that women shouldn’t be educated?

Why am I *shocked* absolutely *shocked* he has a problem with Anita Sarkeesian saying something as controversial like, and I’m paraphrasing here, “just because there’s problematic content doesn’t mean we can’t enjoy media.”

What horror!

roguepixie
roguepixie
6 years ago

It’s the… best, ever, that video. (Mildly awed.) Let them parody themselves…

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
6 years ago

Cry more, Michal.

colincidence
6 years ago

I think I’ve seen these guys at every bar ever.

Scabz
6 years ago

if anyone is offended at the video ai posted, ai apologize but ai hope it was helpful.
Thanx for watching and hope ai didn’t do anything “wrong”.

sunnysombrera
6 years ago

Oh come on michal. They described vile abusive messages as “questioning or opposing the social justice warriors”. Then whined about people being called cyber bullies and trolls for it when that’s exactly what they doing – trolling and cyber bullying.

contrapangloss
6 years ago

Scabz, nothing wrong that I can see so far.

It is helpful though, to give a little bit of a summary for what the video is about. Not a long summary, mind, just a phrase. For example:

Cute, cuddly lemur who really wants some fruit, because we need the cuddles on this site:
http://youtu.be/OF3Qlkin–0

Scabz
6 years ago

it sums up gamer outrage on the interwebz and how it’s way worse if you’re anything else but a white guy. References Anita Sarkeesian as a comparison on the gamer outrage.

hope that works… ai’ll get better at this maybe…thanx for ur patience and for watching…

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
6 years ago

But what is up with the “dudebro gamers”? Why they haz so much hate?

They’re reactionary in the full sense of the word. I think we can draw a parallel to anti-gays – when it was “normal” that homosexuals were simply thought of as perverse deviants, you didn’t get so much fuss about them – they were smashed whenever they poked their heads up, and otherwise “normal” people didn’t bother much. It’s only when they asserted themselves and won their own space that the hatred really started getting publicly loud and intense.

In my extremely limited perception, gaming has evolved to the point where women have won their own space in the market and interact routinely outside any pink-collar ghetto. So the loud and intense misogyny is a reaction to this change – before, woman gamers were weird, rare creatures who people (*) could ignore, and now they’re gamers who incidentally happen to be women.

(*) You know, *real* people. The kind with penises.

Scabz
6 years ago

now they’re gamers who incidentally happen to be women.

There are also game developers to “who incidentally happen to be women” too.

Feminism wouldn’t even have to be a “thing” if there wasn’t so much fucken misogyny.

Stahp. Ur embarrassing urself.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/13/5996261/one-reason-to-be-gdc-europe

Mystery solved…

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
6 years ago

You seem to be misinterpreting my point, Scabz. I am drawing a distinction between perceptions THEN (“OMG – a WOMAN gamer/game designer”) and NOW (“A gamer/game designer. She also happens to be a woman – ho-hum”). The loudness of the misogyny from the usual suspects, I suggest, is a reactionary response to this shift.

Scabz
6 years ago

ai know ur “trying to be funny” and “sarcastic” but it ends up so fucken patronizing u become obvious.

trying too hard… ur doing it right…
u mad scrub? (totally rhetorical question…)